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kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 23:08:23
May 20 2013 22:32 GMT
#1
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2013/may/20/starcraft-2-greg-idra-fields

Not everyday you can read about Beckham's and Idra's retirement all on one website.

The author graced us with his presence, check out the link for the full article!


Cheese is a cheap strategy. The very greatest players are bonjwa. Personalities are referred to by their in-game IDs rather than name. And then there's BM – bad manners, and one of the many things Greg "Idra" Fields is famous for.

Fields specialised in Terran during his Brood War days, but was one of the most dominant Zergs in Starcraft II.

Fields is polite, extremely articulate, and until a fortnight ago was one of the highest-profile and highest-paid professional gamers in the world. This is not wholly unrelated to the fact that he's also responsible for some of the most outrageous outbursts in eSports, and not the cool kind of outrageous.

He once opined that a nice chap called David Kim, for being one of Starcraft II's balance designers, should be raped with a tire-iron. In March, he wished cancer on an opponent while livestreaming – which was, of course, seen and spread by everyone watching. Alexander Garfield, the CEO of Fields' team Evil Geniuses, assured fans there would be no repeat.

Shortly afterwards, following a frustrating showing in the early rounds of Blizzard's new Starcraft II World Championship Series, Fields visited the forums at Team Liquid, the biggest community hub for the game, and went for certain fans. "You're all a bunch of fucks," he wrote in a thread concerning team EG. "It just so happens I get paid to treat you as such. It's fucking awesome."




This happened on 7 May, and the remarks rapidly spread online. It was a moment that posed eSports, and particularly Team EG, an uncomfortable question. Sean "Day [9]" Plott is a major Starcraft II personality and caster – as well as a former North American Brood War champion. "Right when Idra left the Polt game and then shortly thereafter made that post, I was having a conversation with a friend, and I said there's a 99% chance he gets kicked for this. No chance he doesn't get kicked for this. But it was still so crazy to me that the next day it did happen."

Sean ' Day [9]' Plott: ‘I think all the deep analysis for what it means for eSports comes down to 'well you can't be a jerk, no matter where you're working.'’

On 9 May Team EG announced it had fired one of its biggest faces.
Hitch-22
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada753 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 22:37:40
May 20 2013 22:35 GMT
#2
lol generally you quote certain sections of the article ... You don't link and then post the ENTIRE article as well you should post your opinion.

Aside from the general bitching, its in the right forum at least now, it's a really well written article from someone who actually sounds like they understand the industry. I enjoyed it.
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Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
May 20 2013 22:39 GMT
#3
That's a really good read. Nothing new, but I'm glad this article doesn't misrepresent Starcraft II/gaming.
Darkdwarf
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Sweden960 Posts
May 20 2013 22:39 GMT
#4
That was a really good article!
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Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States382 Posts
May 20 2013 22:44 GMT
#5
"Not the fans and genuine supporters of eSports, but the ones who are just there for the drama mongering. And in a way I did, and still do, get paid to treat them like shit because that's what they find entertaining, that's what they tune in to watch and get off on."

hmm. Quite an interpretation to his contract. I can't imagine it saying anything even along the hyperbolic or sarcastic lines of "treating them like shit for entertainment". That just doesn't sound like a good person at all
Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
May 20 2013 22:45 GMT
#6
Oh, IdrA.

It still stings. Really nice read though.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
Jknighty
Profile Joined July 2011
159 Posts
May 20 2013 22:48 GMT
#7
Fair play, that was a very good article for mainstream media. He actually sounds fairly knowledgeable.
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
May 20 2013 22:50 GMT
#8
On May 21 2013 07:35 Hitch-22 wrote:
lol generally you quote certain sections of the article ... You don't link and then post the ENTIRE article as well you should post your opinion.

Aside from the general bitching, its in the right forum at least now, it's a really well written article from someone who actually sounds like they understand the industry. I enjoyed it.


+1

Not cool to stop traffic from going to their site.
MidgetHumper
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom280 Posts
May 20 2013 22:56 GMT
#9
It seems rather odd for the guardian to cover such a specific topic within esports.
A good read none the less.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=284255#1
Frankenberry
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark302 Posts
May 20 2013 22:58 GMT
#10
Hey OP, could you edit your post so you post the whole article or none of it ? And thanks for bringing this article to my attention

glhf! =)
Stanntis
Profile Joined May 2013
United Kingdom2 Posts
May 20 2013 23:02 GMT
#11
Hi TL. I wrote this article. Just wanted to thank you for taking traffic away from the site that paid me to do so. GG WP.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
May 20 2013 23:05 GMT
#12
It's a gamer blog for the Guardian. It's like every time something like this occurs whether it be Wall Street, Forbes, CNN, ESPN it's always a blog.
kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
May 20 2013 23:07 GMT
#13
On May 21 2013 08:02 Stanntis wrote:
Hi TL. I wrote this article. Just wanted to thank you for taking traffic away from the site that paid me to do so. GG WP.


Sorry mate, let me edit it.
Empirimancer
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada1024 Posts
May 20 2013 23:08 GMT
#14
Could be much, much worse. The article, I mean.

Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
May 20 2013 23:09 GMT
#15
Thanks for the post. It is good to see papers starting to pick up on Esports. I am also torn about the Idra issue. I really enjoy watching him play and commentate, but also understand where a company like EG cant afford the bad press. I hope he stays around Esports for a long time to come.
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Stanntis
Profile Joined May 2013
United Kingdom2 Posts
May 20 2013 23:14 GMT
#16
Much appreciated, thank you
It's a trap!
eX Killy
Profile Joined November 2012
Taiwan906 Posts
May 20 2013 23:21 GMT
#17
still getting exposure after getting released. idra being idra.
telling it like it is
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 23:31:33
May 20 2013 23:27 GMT
#18
Well written article, Stanntis. Much more in touch with the scene than one could expect from a mainstream publication, and you interviewed all the right people. I do have to say that you got the timeline wrong, though. The post was before the games were aired. I don't blame you for it - it's become an unfortunately widespread bit of misinformation. I wish it would stop, though.

For reference:

the ending of the game against polt, KST 07:27 May 9: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18535274
the offending post, KST 08:21 May 8: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18525876
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Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
May 20 2013 23:27 GMT
#19
Nice article, Guardian is really great overall, always appreciate all the liveblogging they do.
ziggurat
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada847 Posts
May 21 2013 00:20 GMT
#20
Great article!
RookUK
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United Kingdom283 Posts
May 21 2013 00:29 GMT
#21
I actually posted about this earlier in the SC2 thread, as I wasn't sure it justified a thread of its own - but I guess it does, really. I first found the article on the Guardian Android app - it was one of the featured stories for the US news section, which kind of surprised me when I stumbled across it! Really quite prominent, which is nice.

It's nice to see this kind of stuff published by the Guardian, especially since Rock, Paper, Shotgun (PC games blog run by various PC Gamer UK staffers) only even mention StarCraft II once in a blue moon.
Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
May 21 2013 00:37 GMT
#22
Good stuff. Professionally written.
Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
May 21 2013 00:52 GMT
#23
Surely Idra can beat this guy:

[image loading]
Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
May 21 2013 02:34 GMT
#24
Nice article, the most surprising part is that this is getting coverage in a publication as prestigious as The Guardian. Whatever you think about Idra, this just underlines the point that he makes for good copy, as they say in the biz. He's the Sean Avery of e-sports (for you NHL fans.)
Schmoooopy
Profile Joined July 2011
United States448 Posts
May 21 2013 02:52 GMT
#25
I like the professionalism of the article. Good piece of journalism and I'll gladly support The Guardian if they continue discussing pro-gaming in this manner.
mjuuy
Profile Joined May 2012
Norway506 Posts
May 21 2013 02:55 GMT
#26
On May 21 2013 09:52 Thrill wrote:
Surely Idra can beat this guy:

[image loading]

Yeah, it's #1 now.
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
May 21 2013 02:56 GMT
#27
Excellent writing; clear and concise. Maybe the best explanation of esports I've seen in a mainstream publication. Interesting story to boot!
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MateShade
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia736 Posts
May 21 2013 02:57 GMT
#28
This article is so badly written, rookie journalist?
kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
May 21 2013 02:59 GMT
#29
What's funny is people were curious of BM people in esports. The only difference is, in real sports, if you can play, you can get away with it lol.

braller
Profile Joined January 2013
96 Posts
May 21 2013 03:01 GMT
#30
On May 21 2013 11:59 kakaman wrote:
What's funny is people were curious of BM people in esports. The only difference is, in real sports, if you can play, you can get away with it lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRDzXV7IgiI


He was banned for eight months because of that, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
MugenXBanksy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States479 Posts
May 21 2013 03:01 GMT
#31
I don't trust the Guardian or the Observer. But I do trust Grack
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kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
May 21 2013 03:03 GMT
#32
On May 21 2013 12:01 braller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 11:59 kakaman wrote:
What's funny is people were curious of BM people in esports. The only difference is, in real sports, if you can play, you can get away with it lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRDzXV7IgiI


He was banned for eight months because of that, so I have no idea what you're talking about.


Yeah he was banned by the FA, not Man U. It's like saying MLG banning Greg or something like that. Also, United did not let him go, which is what EG did to Greg.
THELEHGOTERRAN
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1837 Posts
May 21 2013 03:05 GMT
#33
On May 21 2013 12:03 kakaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 12:01 braller wrote:
On May 21 2013 11:59 kakaman wrote:
What's funny is people were curious of BM people in esports. The only difference is, in real sports, if you can play, you can get away with it lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRDzXV7IgiI


He was banned for eight months because of that, so I have no idea what you're talking about.


Yeah he was banned by the FA, not Man U. It's like saying MLG banning Greg or something like that. Also, United did not let him go, which is what EG did to Greg.


Yeah, success lets you stay. Kinda like Suarez at Liverpool not getting tossed from the team.
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Santi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Colombia466 Posts
May 21 2013 03:10 GMT
#34
lol already 2 mainstream papers write about Idra. Nice.
Hangman89
Profile Joined May 2013
Singapore43 Posts
May 21 2013 03:17 GMT
#35
It was a great article. And in my head somehow i read all of Idras quotes in his voice. Lol
VasHeR
Profile Joined June 2011
166 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 04:26:29
May 21 2013 04:25 GMT
#36
Just to put things into perspective here, this article was not written as praise or acknowledgment of the hard work and accomplishments of anybody in esports. It was about how one of the most popular Starcraft 2 players outside of Korea is a former top player turned troll magnet who got fired for his nerd rage and disrespect towards other players and the SC2 community. Is this the kind of exposure esports needs? Why are people proud of this?
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
May 21 2013 08:40 GMT
#37
I was having a conversation with a friend, and I said there's a 99% chance he gets kicked for this. No chance he doesn't get kicked for this


How does that even work?
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Sakray
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
France2198 Posts
May 21 2013 09:00 GMT
#38
Great article, but you probably made a mistake with the url of Real Talk's video, when you said "Two days after being fired, Fields announced his retirement in an interview", problem is that the said video is one year old :p
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
May 21 2013 09:10 GMT
#39
On May 21 2013 17:40 Nekovivie wrote:
Show nested quote +
I was having a conversation with a friend, and I said there's a 99% chance he gets kicked for this. No chance he doesn't get kicked for this


How does that even work?


He's a math major. It's nothing to do with numbers.
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ScGDarkness
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom9 Posts
May 26 2013 00:41 GMT
#40
The Guardian is one of the most read websites in the UK and a major publication in the newspaper world. Nice to see.
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icydergosu
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
528 Posts
June 06 2013 19:49 GMT
#41
On May 21 2013 08:02 Stanntis wrote:
Hi TL. I wrote this article. Just wanted to thank you for taking traffic away from the site that paid me to do so. GG WP.


Does it?
I would bet that the opposite is the case.
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Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
June 06 2013 21:10 GMT
#42
On June 07 2013 04:49 icydergosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 08:02 Stanntis wrote:
Hi TL. I wrote this article. Just wanted to thank you for taking traffic away from the site that paid me to do so. GG WP.


Does it?
I would bet that the opposite is the case.

I believe the original post either didn't link the original article or quoted the entire article (thus eliminating the need for people to visit it). It has since been edited.
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