Today, the players of the No Tidehunter DotA 2 team, along with independent StarCraft 2 player Johan "NaNiwa" Lucchesi, are pleased to announce the creation of Alliance: a new professional gaming team. Formed in collaboration with Razer, one of the world's pioneering supporters of eSports, Alliance will focus on both DotA 2 and SC2, and look to gradually expand its StarCraft roster over the course of 2013.
"Being involved in the creation of a brand new professional gaming team of this caliber is a very special opportunity and we're honored to have been a part of the creation process," said Min-Liang Tan, Razer co-founder, CEO and creative director. "By supporting and helping to drive the unique opportunities Alliance provides for professional players, we hope to continue to deliver the absolute best of eSports to both a Scandinavian and worldwide audience."
"We are extremely happy to be a part of the birth of Alliance. We are proud to be a part of something new. We strive for perfection, and with the support from our sponsor, Razer, this will be a great organization." said Jonathan "Loda" Berg.
Johan "NaNiwa" Lucchesi commented, "A few months ago I was searching for a team that could help me become the best player I could possibly be. It stood between a few teams and I'm 100% sure, since I've been with this team for a while, that I have made the right choice. Not only are they trying their best to fulfill my wishes, but are very professional while doing so. I am very happy to be a part of this team.”
No Tidehunter and NaNiwa will be sporting the shiny, new Alliance tag effective immediately, and have been using Razer mice, keyboards, and mousepads for quite some time now. Be sure to follow the Alliance DotA 2 team at the upcoming RaidCall EMS ONE Finals, held in Katowice on April 20th & 21st, and to follow NaNi at the upcoming DreamHack Open event, held in Stockholm on April 26th & 27th!
Evidence points to this being a new EG team or affiliated to EG in some way.
Always cool to see people from other games expanding into SC2 instead of the other way. Congrats to them both and I hope to see NaNiwa doing well in WCS!
Dammit. I was just double checking to see if anyone else had posted this, rather than just making a thread, and you go and snipe the heck out of me during my second search.
Is there a web page error on the site, or is it just my browser? I had to "view source" to see that, nothing was popping up like it should.
Wow. That's quite something. Starting with a very solid set of talent in both games, hope that the team can get enough sponsor money to keep the skill level that high.
On April 12 2013 14:24 Fionn wrote: Welcome, Naniwa to the legion of players with their own team. White-Ra, Polt, Grubby and MC invite you to a party with cake and cash.
Pinging thealliance.gg [198.61.181.84] with 32 bytes of data Pinging evilgeniuses.gg [198.61.181.84] with 32 bytes of data
interesting, this is pretty much confirmed as EG.EU
intereesting... so this basically means that Naniwa joined EG? lol
There's has been rumours that EG were sponsoring/merging with No Tidehunter (best wait for the official statement) but my guess would be no and it'll become a tag just like EG-TL are in the pro-league.
Same Google Analytics tracking ID as myeg.net as well. That tracking ID seems to also exist on many websites that are completely unrelated to esports if you look it up, one of those belongs to a company offering web design services so I'm guessing that's who built the site.
On April 12 2013 14:24 Fionn wrote: Welcome, Naniwa to the legion of players with their own team. White-Ra, Polt, Grubby and MC invite you to a party with cake and cash.
All but Polt are Protoss, time for him to change races.
Secretly creating another team to house a great SC2 player that your current team doesn't get along with certainly would be genius, and kind of evil too...
On April 12 2013 14:43 Canucklehead wrote: Wow if EG is going to acquire nth for dota and drop their current team that would explain why demon has been so emo on stream lately.
I am 99% sure they aren't dropping the current squad. Seems like EG is setting up strong teams in NA, KR and EU
On April 12 2013 14:36 Dodgin wrote: didn't take the internet long to figure that one out
The internet owns.
it's not like they tried to hide it -_-?
It's not like their not trying to hide it discredits the internet's ownage -_-?
well it's not ownage as much as small achievement if it wans't hard -_-?
Well my comment was simply that the internet owns and I didn't give a specific reason so whether or not this particular example of its achievement is ownage or not is irrelevant -_-?
On April 12 2013 14:38 Ruscour wrote: Glad nth aren't going to EG, grats to both.
uhh....
EG doesn't have two squads. It's against their philosophy, at least it was when they were under Scoots. It means that EG's current Dota2 squad isn't going to be replaced.
On April 12 2013 14:53 xtyxtbx wrote: Love hearing about new E-Sports teams. However, EXPAND YOUR SC2 SECTION. 1 player won't cut it. There's a million other good unsigned players.
CoCa and Puzzle are still available as far I know -_-?
Huh, not exactly what I was expecting for either NTH or Nani, but seems pretty cool nonetheless. It'll be interesting to see exactly how the branding works for Alliance vs EG, and also whether or not they add more SC2 players to the squad soon.
Hmm... If this is really EG in disguise, I wonder what they were trying to do separating their own brand like this. EG is usually adept at marketing, so I assume there's a reason, but I just don't see it -_-
On April 12 2013 15:06 ramask2 wrote: Hmm... If this is really EG in disguise, I wonder what they were trying to do separating their own brand like this. EG is usually adept at marketing, so I assume there's a reason, but I just don't see it -_-
Just a bit of viral marketing with a fun announcement. They aren't gonna be separate.
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He can't this round at least, if he were a part of EG they would have planned the announcement in time to get him in on the roster, especially considering the teams been up for a while already just preparing to announce, as Naniwa says. This clearly isn't related to EG. And like someone said earlier, destiny also uses the domain and stuff for a website, its just a coincidence.
On April 12 2013 15:15 Zojukanji wrote: why couldn't he just join EG proper -_-
If it is a new team owned by EG / Alex Garfield, it might be no different than Toyota owning Lexus and Scion. Independent brand recognition for varying product offerings, or something along those lines.
As naniwa said on twitter "thanks to @AllianceGG for this awesome opportunity ! already been in the team for 3 months behind the scenes. hope it will be alot longer ," so hes obviously not part of EG. He would have been entered in proleague roster if there was an affiliation.
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He can't this round at least, if he were a part of EG they would have planned the announcement in time to get him in on the roster, especially considering the teams been up for a while already just preparing to announce, as Naniwa says. This clearly isn't related to EG. And like someone said earlier, destiny also uses the domain and stuff for a website, its just a coincidence.
Don't be so naive. NTH have been rumored to join EG for months. Same with Naniwa. Naniwa was seen in the EG house in Korea. Loda has been pimping out Razer, astro and monster. EG has been looking for EU writers. Site is .gg like EG. Site is similar to EG graphics. Site has same IP.
This is EG having some fun with their announcement.
On April 12 2013 15:16 Xeris wrote: also, "and have been using Razer mice, keyboards, and mousepads for quite some time now"
notice how it doesn't say headsets, cuz of Astro l0l ~_~!
haha How peculiar, I'm not convinced just yet, but it does seem odd.
It's just viral marketing. DId you not see those eg videos they made before with clues people had to decipher for their announcements? This is the same thing in website form. Look at how much people are already talking about it. Are they eg or not eg? Affiliaton? Spinoff, etc? They won't keep alliance name and will eventually be revealed as EG. That's how viral marketing works. Gets people talking.
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He can't this round at least, if he were a part of EG they would have planned the announcement in time to get him in on the roster, especially considering the teams been up for a while already just preparing to announce, as Naniwa says. This clearly isn't related to EG. And like someone said earlier, destiny also uses the domain and stuff for a website, its just a coincidence.
Oh god please don't be so naive.
NTH has been sponsored by EG since Dreamhack of last year.
I'll be so pissed if it's EG. I just created a Liquipedia page for The Alliance lol. Though that would explain the crappy logo and team name.
Razer have released the press release on their website as well.
It's probably counter-productive for EG lol, they even created Twitter, Youtube, and Facebook accounts for it - any new likes by starry-eyed fans will go there lol, instead of the EG page.
Yea this is most probably EG management running the team but doesn't mean that it can't be a new team.
Toyota and Lexus for example.
With new team, they can attract more and different sponsors. If in the future 2 competing company at the same field ( say Pizza Hut and Papa John) want to sponsor an e-sports team and come to Alex Garfield? No biggie. One sponsors EG, the other sponsors Alliance.
It might be better for the sponsor anyway since EG management is so much better than other companies at exposure and marketing Better than sponsoring some team with lousy marketing who will not gain the sponsors any ROI.
NaNiWa, sickest player in both EU and NA atm, so good its embarassing how good he is. The team alliance or EG or whatever it is, they sure did a much better job bringing this super player along instead of noob stephano that whines about quiting every week, or huk that loses every first match in every major tournament. Naniwa is as big as Jae dong. And most fun to watch in streams or tournaments. Alliance or EG...you who brought this superman to your team, big contratz to you!!
Finally the tournaments will be filled up with 1 sick slot again, Naniwa. I mean there is so much progamers that isnt fun to follow, this guy for sure is, Naniwa, the evil looner genius, just like me
On April 12 2013 15:19 nmetasch wrote: As naniwa said on twitter "thanks to @AllianceGG for this awesome opportunity ! already been in the team for 3 months behind the scenes. hope it will be alot longer ," so hes obviously not part of EG. He would have been entered in proleague roster if there was an affiliation.
Not necessarily. He wouldn't be able to play till the next round anyway.
Happy Naniwa has a new team, this news is heavily overshadowed by all the CJ face going on though which brings far more glee and amusement to me. I kinda want a little flag with -_- on it now.
I am a really terrible fangirl, I like too many teams and players to be loyal to just one.
On April 12 2013 15:19 nmetasch wrote: As naniwa said on twitter "thanks to @AllianceGG for this awesome opportunity ! already been in the team for 3 months behind the scenes. hope it will be alot longer ," so hes obviously not part of EG. He would have been entered in proleague roster if there was an affiliation.
On April 12 2013 15:19 nmetasch wrote: As naniwa said on twitter "thanks to @AllianceGG for this awesome opportunity ! already been in the team for 3 months behind the scenes. hope it will be alot longer ," so hes obviously not part of EG. He would have been entered in proleague roster if there was an affiliation.
On April 12 2013 14:16 AgentW wrote: Always cool to see people from other games expanding into SC2 instead of the other way. Congrats to them both and I hope to see NaNiwa doing well in WCS!
So... Are we expecting another Dota 2 team to join up with another Starcraft 2 player in the next few days, except that these guys call themselves Horde, and for some strange reason all the ping data thingies line up with TeamLiquid -_-?
On April 12 2013 15:19 nmetasch wrote: As naniwa said on twitter "thanks to @AllianceGG for this awesome opportunity ! already been in the team for 3 months behind the scenes. hope it will be alot longer ," so hes obviously not part of EG. He would have been entered in proleague roster if there was an affiliation.
Not necessarily.
Why not necessarily?
Well, since he obviously had to keep this a secret. What would the logic be for him to play for EG in proleague?
Also from the looks of it, EG is trying to create a new brand. Since the "Alliance" is a separate team, he wouldn't be able to play for EG-TL anyways.
Interesting "Alliance". With HotS being kinda 'new' its maybe easier to create/form a new team. CoCa and Polt are still kinda teamless, but Polt has his own Sponsor with CMStorm. I think some other good korean Sc2 players are still teamless too.
Awww I was really hoping for a Kespa team. Oh well, I knew it was a longshot. Hopefully the team will get some more pickups soon, right now it doesn't really draw too much interest from me.
I think this is perfect for naniwa. He doesn't play well with others, so I think this will be the best environment and we can see some more amazing play.
This is actually nothing that weird to be honest. "The Alliance" is heavily sponsored by Razer and run by the EG Management.
From a branding and player perspective this is really smart. NTH and NaNiwa are Swedish and it's nothing wrong with an entrepreneur/owner to own two different brands. Think of it like car brands. You have Volkswagen Group which owns a lot of brands. Skoda is the EG here and The Alliance is Bentley.
From a marketing point of view as well as for the players it's fantastic for NaNiwa to be on a team with other Swedish superstars (No Tidehunter) with a little bit of different approach and focus.
if this ISNT EG, then they did a mistake, they let noob stephano join with total fail after he joined, Huk is a joke now days, always first game lose, did you all see the EG-TL vs woongjin? Huk got owned with like 70 suply in the first fight at 10min mark, he is SOOOOO BAD now, he just cant addept, playing his colossus, stalker sentry zealot bullshit, it doesnt work anymore. But if EG took Naniwa into their team, they for sure would start winning again, since Naniwa wins with or without teams, he is the best foreigner no doubt about that. Best EU NA player, and one of the best KR players when naniwa played there. He for sure is suited for anyteam there is, and ESPECIALLY EG since they suck so bad now, all their players suck, even thorzain
I'm confused, how exactly has Naniwa's real situation changed? He still doesn't have any SC-playing teammates. He's playing for a team in name only. It could of course be an EG partnership thing like many of you have speculated, but in terms of the stuff that's actually in the announcement, I don't see what he has to cheer for.
On April 12 2013 14:53 xtyxtbx wrote: Love hearing about new E-Sports teams. However, EXPAND YOUR SC2 SECTION. 1 player won't cut it. There's a million other good unsigned players.
All 4.294.967.296 of them should come together and form Unsigned.int .
On April 12 2013 14:24 Fionn wrote: Welcome, Naniwa to the legion of players with their own team. White-Ra, Polt, Grubby and MC invite you to a party with cake and cash.
On April 12 2013 16:09 gedatsu wrote: "I'm confused, how exactly has Naniwa's real situation changed? He still doesn't have any SC-playing teammates. He's playing for a team in name only. It could of course be an EG partnership thing like many of you have speculated, but in terms of the stuff that's actually in the announcement, I don't see what he has to cheer for".
Dude, he is allready playing and practising with EG-TL players, and seriously, you dont need a team to practise with, its enough to log on KR server. And since Naniwa owns in his last tournaments, he for sure doesnt need a jae dong, flash etc to practice with, he is that good allready.
On April 12 2013 16:09 gedatsu wrote: "I'm confused, how exactly has Naniwa's real situation changed? He still doesn't have any SC-playing teammates. He's playing for a team in name only. It could of course be an EG partnership thing like many of you have speculated, but in terms of the stuff that's actually in the announcement, I don't see what he has to cheer for".
Dude, he is allready playing and practising with EG-TL players, and seriously, you dont need a team to practise with, its enough to log on KR server. And since Naniwa owns in his last tournaments, he for sure doesnt need a jae dong, flash etc to practice with, he is that good allready.
Not having a team to practice with is the reason he fell off the radar in 2012. He went from RO8 in GSL to finishing last in his group and then immediately getting axed out of RO48.
We know he has been visiting the EG house, but we don't know how much time he spends there. And logging on to KR ladder is absolutely not enough, there is a reason Korean teams are minimizing their ladder time in favor of in-house practice.
On April 12 2013 16:21 AstroPegnuin wrote: Bischu = Sweden + Teamless = join Alliance?
Well doesn´t state that it should be swe only...
Anyway, best of luck to you all!
given that nth kicked off eternalenvy due to nationality, i think it's pretty reasonable to assume theyre looking to partner with swedes
He was dropped partially because it was hard to communicate with him, when you have 4 Swedes and 1 Canadian yet have to resort to speaking in English, not purely because of his nationality.
On April 12 2013 16:09 gedatsu wrote: "I'm confused, how exactly has Naniwa's real situation changed? He still doesn't have any SC-playing teammates. He's playing for a team in name only. It could of course be an EG partnership thing like many of you have speculated, but in terms of the stuff that's actually in the announcement, I don't see what he has to cheer for".
Dude, he is allready playing and practising with EG-TL players, and seriously, you dont need a team to practise with, its enough to log on KR server. And since Naniwa owns in his last tournaments, he for sure doesnt need a jae dong, flash etc to practice with, he is that good allready.
Lmao post especially "And since Naniwa owns in his last tournaments, he for sure doesnt need a jae dong, flash etc to practice with, he is that good allready" for sure going 30-0 against some medicore eu players from sweden only, makes you gosu.... not.Dont get me wrg im not saying hes weak/noob etc but hes nowhere near Flash level atm and Naniwa himself would say same proly.
Now the fans can hate on Naniwa and Loda on the same team, fitting indeed.
Wish'em luck I love Naninwa's "in your face!" personality and I think Loda gets too much hate, but I see the team will be forumsmashed if they do poorly
On April 12 2013 16:09 gedatsu wrote: "I'm confused, how exactly has Naniwa's real situation changed? He still doesn't have any SC-playing teammates. He's playing for a team in name only. It could of course be an EG partnership thing like many of you have speculated, but in terms of the stuff that's actually in the announcement, I don't see what he has to cheer for".
Dude, he is allready playing and practising with EG-TL players, and seriously, you dont need a team to practise with, its enough to log on KR server. And since Naniwa owns in his last tournaments, he for sure doesnt need a jae dong, flash etc to practice with, he is that good allready.
Lmao post especially "And since Naniwa owns in his last tournaments, he for sure doesnt need a jae dong, flash etc to practice with, he is that good allready" for sure going 30-0 against some medicore eu players from sweden only, makes you gosu.... not.Dont get me wrg im not saying hes weak/noob etc but hes nowhere near Flash level atm and Naniwa himself would say same proly.
Yeah that made me laugh. Sorry anyone who doesn't think they need a jaedong/flash/etc high level practice partners would be an idiot lol.
I could make this into a "Naniwa can only be on a team by himself" joke, but meh. Good luck dude. Hopefully this will be the kick in the ass to get some great stuff going, and maybe get a better attitude along with it. The best of luck!
Oh, and good guy Razer at it again. Proud I bought my Deathadder back when I had the money to.
So I guess when you already have a Dota2 team and SC2 players that possibly clash with someone you want to hire, you simply create a new "mysterious" subsidiary organization to house them. Oh EG... xD
On April 12 2013 16:09 gedatsu wrote: "I'm confused, how exactly has Naniwa's real situation changed? He still doesn't have any SC-playing teammates. He's playing for a team in name only. It could of course be an EG partnership thing like many of you have speculated, but in terms of the stuff that's actually in the announcement, I don't see what he has to cheer for".
Dude, he is allready playing and practising with EG-TL players, and seriously, you dont need a team to practise with, its enough to log on KR server. And since Naniwa owns in his last tournaments, he for sure doesnt need a jae dong, flash etc to practice with, he is that good allready.
Lmao post especially "And since Naniwa owns in his last tournaments, he for sure doesnt need a jae dong, flash etc to practice with, he is that good allready" for sure going 30-0 against some medicore eu players from sweden only, makes you gosu.... not.Dont get me wrg im not saying hes weak/noob etc but hes nowhere near Flash level atm and Naniwa himself would say same proly.
Yeah that made me laugh. Sorry anyone who doesn't think they need a jaedong/flash/etc high level practice partners would be an idiot lol.
I'd sell a kidney to practice with Flash ffs and I am horrible at this game
On April 12 2013 16:09 gedatsu wrote: "I'm confused, how exactly has Naniwa's real situation changed? He still doesn't have any SC-playing teammates. He's playing for a team in name only. It could of course be an EG partnership thing like many of you have speculated, but in terms of the stuff that's actually in the announcement, I don't see what he has to cheer for".
Dude, he is allready playing and practising with EG-TL players, and seriously, you dont need a team to practise with, its enough to log on KR server. And since Naniwa owns in his last tournaments, he for sure doesnt need a jae dong, flash etc to practice with, he is that good allready.
Lmao post especially "And since Naniwa owns in his last tournaments, he for sure doesnt need a jae dong, flash etc to practice with, he is that good allready" for sure going 30-0 against some medicore eu players from sweden only, makes you gosu.... not.Dont get me wrg im not saying hes weak/noob etc but hes nowhere near Flash level atm and Naniwa himself would say same proly.
Yeah that made me laugh. Sorry anyone who doesn't think they need a jaedong/flash/etc high level practice partners would be an idiot lol.
I'd sell a kidney to practice with Flash ffs and I am horrible at this game
NTH one of the best western Dota teams and Nani, one of the best western SC2 players: now that's a hell of a combo to start with. Razer also seem to be one of the most involved sponsors in the e-sports scene so it's really reassuring to know they're providing a better environment to those players.
Wishing you all the best and looking forward to some great result from The Alliance
Can someone update the OP that this seems like an EG side project like EG.EU or something. As already stated by R1ch etc...IP Lookup confimrs that is all under the belt of EG.
Marketing or Image reasons?
Would be nice to hear some more Infos. Not a big fan of PR moves that got wrong...and TL Detectives are pretty fast sometimes.
On a side note...i think its great that Naniwa found a good team that is able to support him in a manner he needs. I think he developed a lot as a player
On April 12 2013 17:53 cutler wrote: Can someone update the OP that this seems like an EG side project like EG.EU or something. As already stated by R1ch etc...IP Lookup confimrs that is all under the belt of EG.
Marketing or Image reasons?
Would be nice to hear some more Infos. Not a big fan of PR moves that got wrong...and TL Detectives are pretty fast sometimes.
On a side note...i think its great that Naniwa found a good team that is able to support him in a manner he needs. I think he developed a lot as a player
Just look at the attention they are getting just because of the same IPs, don't think it went wrong :D
On April 12 2013 17:53 cutler wrote: Can someone update the OP that this seems like an EG side project like EG.EU or something. As already stated by R1ch etc...IP Lookup confimrs that is all under the belt of EG.
Marketing or Image reasons?
Would be nice to hear some more Infos. Not a big fan of PR moves that got wrong...and TL Detectives are pretty fast sometimes.
On a side note...i think its great that Naniwa found a good team that is able to support him in a manner he needs. I think he developed a lot as a player
Just look at the attention they are getting just because of the same IPs, don't think it went wrong :D
..ah damm...they got me...so they are basically provide hosting services for the team. Sometimes i hate myself for being such curious fanboy... but on the other side...i love that team rivalry thing and i dislike EG a lot. :-)
On April 12 2013 17:22 Iorveth wrote: Never heared of it. So NaNiwas is playing this Casualgame now? o_0
Did u read the op?
Yes and I only read something of Alliance and no SC2 Team I ever heared of... I expected to see a Thread like "Nani joins Team X" ..
how can someone be so stupid, please explain
so where does nani stay in korea? i assume egtl house?
I think he's returning to EU because of this tweet:
"I hope I have enough time in korea to fix my playstyle versus zerg ..." Implies that he will only be in Korea for a certain amount of time before returning to Europe. Could also imply that he wants it fixed before the first offline WCS event he has to go to (in Europe) and that he'll return to Korea after that.
EDIT: Oh sorry, thought you meant whether if he would stay in Korea or not. WHERE in Korea... I guess EG-TL house makes sense. Hopefully he'll be able to stream!
On April 12 2013 18:23 Demicore wrote: Ah bummer I thought it was the Unholy Alliance. Amazing news anyway!
Actually now that you're saying it it might be another sign of this being EG. It's one of the two words in the two-name double team team Unholy Alliance.
On April 12 2013 16:09 gedatsu wrote: "I'm confused, how exactly has Naniwa's real situation changed? He still doesn't have any SC-playing teammates. He's playing for a team in name only. It could of course be an EG partnership thing like many of you have speculated, but in terms of the stuff that's actually in the announcement, I don't see what he has to cheer for".
Dude, he is allready playing and practising with EG-TL players, and seriously, you dont need a team to practise with, its enough to log on KR server. And since Naniwa owns in his last tournaments, he for sure doesnt need a jae dong, flash etc to practice with, he is that good allready.
Lmao post especially "And since Naniwa owns in his last tournaments, he for sure doesnt need a jae dong, flash etc to practice with, he is that good allready" for sure going 30-0 against some medicore eu players from sweden only, makes you gosu.... not.Dont get me wrg im not saying hes weak/noob etc but hes nowhere near Flash level atm and Naniwa himself would say same proly.
Well, Naniwa beat flash last meeting with 2-1, and the meeting before that he lost 1-2, Naniwa REALLY is that good, and he will show that ONCE AGAIN to all haters that he is very very good no mather who he practice with. There is always these nonbelievers and haters everywhere. Many players become better with sick practice partners, and for example hole EG house got worse when they got stephano and jae dong, so NO, everyone isnt an idiot that doesnt want great practice partners, some of them is allready that good, just like Naniwa. But yeah he will show it to you all april 26-27th during dreamhack.
Why is everyone complaining about the name? Alliance is a significant improvement over Evil Geniuses. Also, by being the only player on the team, Naniwa can't piss off anybody. Brilliant.
On April 12 2013 20:04 Luftmensch wrote: I can't click on anything on their website in Firefox, could someone with another browser check if it's a problem for them as well.
It doesn't work for me either in Firefox, but in IE it works just fine.
On April 12 2013 16:09 gedatsu wrote: "I'm confused, how exactly has Naniwa's real situation changed? He still doesn't have any SC-playing teammates. He's playing for a team in name only. It could of course be an EG partnership thing like many of you have speculated, but in terms of the stuff that's actually in the announcement, I don't see what he has to cheer for".
Dude, he is allready playing and practising with EG-TL players, and seriously, you dont need a team to practise with, its enough to log on KR server. And since Naniwa owns in his last tournaments, he for sure doesnt need a jae dong, flash etc to practice with, he is that good allready.
Lmao post especially "And since Naniwa owns in his last tournaments, he for sure doesnt need a jae dong, flash etc to practice with, he is that good allready" for sure going 30-0 against some medicore eu players from sweden only, makes you gosu.... not.Dont get me wrg im not saying hes weak/noob etc but hes nowhere near Flash level atm and Naniwa himself would say same proly.
Well, Naniwa beat flash last meeting with 2-1, and the meeting before that he lost 1-2, Naniwa REALLY is that good, and he will show that ONCE AGAIN to all haters that he is very very good no mather who he practice with. There is always these nonbelievers and haters everywhere. Many players become better with sick practice partners, and for example hole EG house got worse when they got stephano and jae dong, so NO, everyone isnt an idiot that doesnt want great practice partners, some of them is allready that good, just like Naniwa. But yeah he will show it to you all april 26-27th during dreamhack.
Ty dude you made my day with your posts(untill i saw Life win with SH in GSTL that is ).I wont argue with you more couse you seems to "know better" , ill just clarify i never did "hate" on Naniwa i merly said he aint on Flash level atm, its hardly hateing, i still consider him top 5 foreigner and wish him luck in his homecountry tournament, he will need lot of it.
On April 12 2013 20:04 Luftmensch wrote: I can't click on anything on their website in Firefox, could someone with another browser check if it's a problem for them as well.
It doesn't work for me either in Firefox, but in IE it works just fine.
I would'nt be surprised if Tod joins Alliance as well. He said recently (on millenium tv) that his new team is European and that it will be funny. He said too that it's funny for him aswell.
I don't know what he was speaking about, maybe joining an EG project or being Naniwa's team mate...
GosuGamers wrote, four hours ago, that they (just like everyone at TL and Reddit) have discovered that Allians is owned by EG. "We dug deeper into Alliance's website and according to Google Analytics, we found that the website is owned by multi-gaming American company, Evil Geniuses. Besides that, Alliance's website also shares the same IP address as myEG.net."
It's gonna be interesting to see how the alliance is connected to EG, if it's just EG.eu or if there's another kind of deal going on where it's like a separate team within the organisaion. Glad to see both nth and naniwa in what looks to be a great team though
On April 12 2013 16:09 gedatsu wrote: "I'm confused, how exactly has Naniwa's real situation changed? He still doesn't have any SC-playing teammates. He's playing for a team in name only. It could of course be an EG partnership thing like many of you have speculated, but in terms of the stuff that's actually in the announcement, I don't see what he has to cheer for".
Dude, he is allready playing and practising with EG-TL players, and seriously, you dont need a team to practise with, its enough to log on KR server. And since Naniwa owns in his last tournaments, he for sure doesnt need a jae dong, flash etc to practice with, he is that good allready.
Lmao post especially "And since Naniwa owns in his last tournaments, he for sure doesnt need a jae dong, flash etc to practice with, he is that good allready" for sure going 30-0 against some medicore eu players from sweden only, makes you gosu.... not.Dont get me wrg im not saying hes weak/noob etc but hes nowhere near Flash level atm and Naniwa himself would say same proly.
Yeah that made me laugh. Sorry anyone who doesn't think they need a jaedong/flash/etc high level practice partners would be an idiot lol.
you don't need high level practice partners, you only need coach park
Wow EG seemingly going so far just to get their hands on Naniwa + NTH. To be fair to them I doubt ("Strictly Swedish only!")Loda or ("somewhat outspoken against EG")Naniwa would be inclined to join the official EG team. Even so its a bit strange.
With the new info it makes so much sense. EG couldn't recruit Naniwa to his team because of the hate from HuK. So they create a shadow team that they fuel with money, Razer says hell lets get a Dota2 team as well and POOF. The Alliance is born.
Inb4 we will see Naniwa in PL fighting under Coach Park and his minions.
On April 12 2013 14:22 KingOfPain wrote: Finally, now they can pick up Dimaga, one of the best free agents right now
That would be interesting, and probable if they keep players in the EU areas (Ukraine). I remember watching Dima's stream and him getting into it with whom he thought was Nani, but wasn't certain as it was a barcode name. Anyways, best of luck to this team. If they do have EG ties then they should be around for a while, right?
Naninwa: While I am very grateful for the opportunity provided to me by The Alliance team, I feel a different environment is needed to take my game to the next level. In the coming days I will announce my new team.
I'm giving him 5 months before he decides to leave this "alliance."
I'm not trying to be an ass either. I would bet someone $100 he will leave this supposed "alliance" within 5 months. And then he'll hopefully disappear forever from the SC2 scene. Him and IdrA should form an alliance, and they can invite Catz and TT1 and they can be the QQ Crew. They'll never win tournaments because they'll always be complaining about having to play koreans, or that something is over powered, or act like children.
On April 12 2013 22:10 hoby2000 wrote: I'm giving him 5 months before he decides to leave this "alliance."
I'm not trying to be an ass either. I would bet someone $100 he will leave this supposed "alliance" within 5 months. And then he'll hopefully disappear forever from the SC2 scene. Him and IdrA should form an alliance, and they can invite Catz and TT1 and they can be the QQ Crew. They'll never win tournaments because they'll always be complaining about having to play koreans, or that something is over powered, or act like children.
Trollboy is mad? And don't worry, you're not trying but you are being an ass. Naniwa is still one of the most accomplished "foreigners" on the SC2 scene, and he probably still has the capacity to bring very good results (though I'm only guessing here).
Now this is the moment when you go "lol fanboys all over the place" and become pathetic.
On April 12 2013 14:24 Fionn wrote: Welcome, Naniwa to the legion of players with their own team. White-Ra, Polt, Grubby and MC invite you to a party with cake and cash.
First off, I thought White-Ra was on t-t esports and secondly, does this mean Naniwa is going to play dota or? Im confuzzled
On April 12 2013 14:24 Fionn wrote: Welcome, Naniwa to the legion of players with their own team. White-Ra, Polt, Grubby and MC invite you to a party with cake and cash.
First off, I thought White-Ra was on t-t esports and secondly, does this mean Naniwa is going to play dota or? Im confuzzled
white-ra has a personal sponsership from tt esports
On April 12 2013 14:24 Fionn wrote: Welcome, Naniwa to the legion of players with their own team. White-Ra, Polt, Grubby and MC invite you to a party with cake and cash.
First off, I thought White-Ra was on t-t esports and secondly, does this mean Naniwa is going to play dota or? Im confuzzled
lol, not surprising at all, since NTH said that they had a sponsor it was well rumored and well known around the scene that it was EG who was their "secret" sponsor, this seems to hold true.
I'm pretty sure this is the greatest marketing scheme by EG ever. Think about it. How much traffic do you think they are getting on their site from everyone checking to see if the two are related. In a couple of days, everything will be revealed.
On April 12 2013 22:10 hoby2000 wrote: I'm giving him 5 months before he decides to leave this "alliance."
I'm not trying to be an ass either. I would bet someone $100 he will leave this supposed "alliance" within 5 months. And then he'll hopefully disappear forever from the SC2 scene. Him and IdrA should form an alliance, and they can invite Catz and TT1 and they can be the QQ Crew. They'll never win tournaments because they'll always be complaining about having to play koreans, or that something is over powered, or act like children.
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Yeah about Naniwa QQing about playing against koreans...
On April 12 2013 23:02 Geisterkarle wrote: Interesting developments!
Aside from that: I can't see anything on their webpage ... get a coder, that knows Opera pls!
The website is working for Trident and Webkit and not working for Gecko and Presto. The web developers responsible for making the website should be fired on the spot.
you Know we have enough single team players to form there own team now lol. Named, Team Grubby, Polt, White-Ra, MC, Naniwa. Imagine announcing that team now lol. For short Team GPWMN.
EG stuff is interesting. Maybe EG has so much dirty money they own a stake in the alliance. Like an investment.
Perfect! It gives us the satisfaction of having Naniwa on a team OTHER than EG while at the same time, giving him the financial and travel support that EG would! Wicked!1111
EG money laundering obviously. Next, they team up with Azubu ^^
Alliance @theAllianceGG 36s We're just getting warmed up. More players, more teams, more Europe.
Well, looking forward to this.
Yeah, I'm really interested in what kind of players they'll pick up. "More Europe" might imply they'll keep their Swedish/EU player angle for sc2 as well. How long is Thorzain's contract with EG?
Alliance @theAllianceGG 36s We're just getting warmed up. More players, more teams, more Europe.
Well, looking forward to this.
Yeah, I'm really interested in what kind of players they'll pick up. "More Europe" might imply they'll keep their Swedish/EU player angle for sc2 as well. How long is Thorzain's contract with EG?
I don't think Thorzain would leave anywhere. I think he feels pretty home in EG and overall the BEST option he could have. But as stated earlier, there are players like ToD, Dimaga to name a few. Of course, if they are willing to get someone outside of Sweden.
On April 13 2013 00:11 TheFish7 wrote: So why don't they pick Tidehunter?
Are you serious? Or are you talking about the name?
If so, i feel like having a team name that is more popular for the Dota scene isn't really that fitting for SC2 players, or other games for that matter. Not that i wouldn't mind, but how many knows what Tidehunter is in StarCraft scene.
On April 13 2013 00:17 TheFish7 wrote: I don't follow Dota and I'm wondering why the name "No Tidehunter", its like naming yourself "No Banelings" or something?
Pretty much yes. Tidehunter is a hero in Dota. But it seems they are changing their name now.
They had that name when tidehunter was very commonly picked hero (and I think often banned), sort of like magnus right now (although slightly different role in team). However, they have picked it themselves and no one even plays that hero anymore so their name has become irrelevant.
Glad that Naniwa is back on a team even if it is related to EG in some way it still seems separate so I can't wait to see what the Alliance can do over 2013!
1. Congratz for finding a team u like 2. Why the different teamname when it is basicly EG. I dont see the worth setting another brand when u allready got EG
On April 13 2013 00:54 projectChaos wrote: yeah lol... "how should we call us?hmm..." " the Alliance?!?! " "GENIUS" i cannot imagine a worse clan name. seriously...
Turd Burglers Club Ltd.
Seriously "Alliance" isn't so bad. Not awesome, but a safe and meaningful one.
On April 13 2013 00:54 projectChaos wrote: yeah lol... "how should we call us?hmm..." " the Alliance?!?! " "GENIUS" i cannot imagine a worse clan name. seriously...
Turd Burglers Club Ltd.
Seriously "Alliance" isn't so bad. Not awesome, but a safe and meaningful one.
They should get a namechange of the spike & suzy albums (suske en wiske in dutch), like : The overpowered oracles, Inbalanced Infestors, Tempting tempests or Drooling drones. It sounds so wicked i gotta pee
On April 13 2013 00:54 projectChaos wrote: yeah lol... "how should we call us?hmm..." " the Alliance?!?! " "GENIUS" i cannot imagine a worse clan name. seriously...
There's this small company, you might've heard of them. They made this little game, moderately successful, one of the factions was called "The Alliance." Not sure what happened there, but i think it worked out okay.
Turd Burglers Club Ltd.
Seriously "Alliance" isn't so bad. Not awesome, but a safe and meaningful one.
On April 13 2013 00:54 projectChaos wrote: yeah lol... "how should we call us?hmm..." " the Alliance?!?! " "GENIUS" i cannot imagine a worse clan name. seriously...
coming from a guy called projectChaos I find this highly amusing
On April 13 2013 00:54 projectChaos wrote: yeah lol... "how should we call us?hmm..." " the Alliance?!?! " "GENIUS" i cannot imagine a worse clan name. seriously...
coming from a guy called projectChaos I find this highly amusing
On April 13 2013 00:54 projectChaos wrote: yeah lol... "how should we call us?hmm..." " the Alliance?!?! " "GENIUS" i cannot imagine a worse clan name. seriously...
What if there was a clan named "Poopdicks"? Would that still be better than Alliance?
On April 13 2013 00:54 projectChaos wrote: yeah lol... "how should we call us?hmm..." " the Alliance?!?! " "GENIUS" i cannot imagine a worse clan name. seriously...
What if there was a clan named "Poopdicks"? Would that still be better than Alliance?
They should name it HORDE.
Get it? Alliance... horde... ahaha I made a funny!
On April 12 2013 21:54 jdsowa wrote: FFWD 4 months from now:
Naninwa: While I am very grateful for the opportunity provided to me by The Alliance team, I feel a different environment is needed to take my game to the next level. In the coming days I will announce my new team.
4? Give him some credit, he's not MajOr/Brittney/Princess/Terran/Blaze/Kitty/WinDy//Memory/CuteAngel/NoNge/Special
On April 13 2013 00:54 projectChaos wrote: yeah lol... "how should we call us?hmm..." " the Alliance?!?! " "GENIUS" i cannot imagine a worse clan name. seriously...
you must've not been around for old BW team hite SPARKYZ (yes, all caps + the z) or Pirates of Space (who ended up being Egosys POS).
or the clan KT.MGW) which has the longest actual name...
On April 13 2013 00:54 projectChaos wrote: yeah lol... "how should we call us?hmm..." " the Alliance?!?! " "GENIUS" i cannot imagine a worse clan name. seriously...
There's this small company, you might've heard of them. They made this little game, moderately successful, one of the factions was called "The Alliance." Not sure what happened there, but i think it worked out okay.
On April 13 2013 00:54 projectChaos wrote: yeah lol... "how should we call us?hmm..." " the Alliance?!?! " "GENIUS" i cannot imagine a worse clan name. seriously...
you must've not been around for old BW team hite SPARKYZ (yes, all caps + the z) or Pirates of Space (who ended up being Egosys POS).
KT FingerBoom!
I am still wondering who the Alliance is allied with or who in the alliance is allied with each other? I mean, Naniwa is on his own :s
Woot! Now lock Naniwa in a room with a bunch of Korean practice partners so he can come out and destroy every in his way to a WCS championship. Naniwa fighting!
On April 13 2013 00:54 projectChaos wrote: yeah lol... "how should we call us?hmm..." " the Alliance?!?! " "GENIUS" i cannot imagine a worse clan name. seriously...
There's this small company, you might've heard of them. They made this little game, moderately successful, one of the factions was called "The Alliance." Not sure what happened there, but i think it worked out okay.
Turd Burglers Club Ltd.
Seriously "Alliance" isn't so bad. Not awesome, but a safe and meaningful one.
^This exactly
oh man I can't stop thinking about WoW now. Damn you, damn you to hell!
I'm sorry man, keep fighting the good fight. You're not alone t.t
On April 13 2013 00:54 projectChaos wrote: yeah lol... "how should we call us?hmm..." " the Alliance?!?! " "GENIUS" i cannot imagine a worse clan name. seriously...
coming from a guy called projectChaos I find this highly amusing
I guess you did not get the reference to one of the best movies ever made, oucho.
On April 13 2013 00:54 projectChaos wrote: yeah lol... "how should we call us?hmm..." " the Alliance?!?! " "GENIUS" i cannot imagine a worse clan name. seriously...
coming from a guy called projectChaos I find this highly amusing
I guess you did not get the reference to one of the best movies ever made, oucho.
I guess you didn't get the reference to one of the best pc games ever made, projectChaos.
I wonder if EG/TL are directly financing this project, because naniwa seems like a poor investment for both teams. It would make more sense if it's just a new project of (some of) their management without direct support.
1st pick for a professional sc2 team is NaNiwa... anyone that with little knowledge about this player and his issues know this is not a good pick, but gratz to him i guess
On April 13 2013 02:47 Sub40APM wrote: I thought Idra and Huk would quit EG if Naniwa joined it. Were those not the wildly reported threats?
Link? I've not seen any proof other than people constantly saying that's the case without anything to back it up. Nothing I've seen suggests that they'd be that opposed each other enough that they would give up their job for it.
People still talking about EG here and on reddit. EG's viral marketing with this announcement is a huge success and I think will keep people talking longer about EG than if they just released an announcement video. You guys have to admit, EG are geniuses when it comes to viral marketing cause EG is all people talk about regarding this announcement.
Alliance @theAllianceGG 36s We're just getting warmed up. More players, more teams, more Europe.
Well, looking forward to this.
Yeah, I'm really interested in what kind of players they'll pick up. "More Europe" might imply they'll keep their Swedish/EU player angle for sc2 as well. How long is Thorzain's contract with EG?
I don't think Thorzain would leave anywhere. I think he feels pretty home in EG and overall the BEST option he could have. But as stated earlier, there are players like ToD, Dimaga to name a few. Of course, if they are willing to get someone outside of Sweden.
Yeah I know it's very unlikely with Thorzain, it's just me loving the idea to see the best two swedes on a team, especially with their history. I can already imagine the team interviews in my head.
Dimaga would be nice though, give him some motivation to activate his beast mode again.
On April 13 2013 02:47 Sub40APM wrote: I thought Idra and Huk would quit EG if Naniwa joined it. Were those not the wildly reported threats?
Idra also used to talk about how much he hated HuK and was so glad that he wasn't on EG..
EG also used to shit on Razer gear, didn't they?
My point exactly. EG, more than any other NA team I can think of, is out to make money. If they felt like adding these players would be a smart business move, they would do it. Frankly I don't think they care about who or what their current players don't like. At then end of the day it isn't the players who make the decisions about who joins/what sponsers they sign with.
On April 13 2013 02:47 Sub40APM wrote: I thought Idra and Huk would quit EG if Naniwa joined it. Were those not the wildly reported threats?
Idra also used to talk about how much he hated HuK and was so glad that he wasn't on EG..
EG also used to shit on Razer gear, didn't they?
My point exactly. EG, more than any other NA team I can think of, is out to make money. If they felt like adding these players would be a smart business move, they would do it. Frankly I don't think they care about who or what their current players don't like. At then end of the day it isn't the players who make the decisions about who joins/what sponsers they sign with.
All NA teams are out to make money and become sustainable businesses. EG is just the best at it.
On April 13 2013 02:47 Sub40APM wrote: I thought Idra and Huk would quit EG if Naniwa joined it. Were those not the wildly reported threats?
Idra also used to talk about how much he hated HuK and was so glad that he wasn't on EG..
EG also used to shit on Razer gear, didn't they?
Liquid used to hate dota2 & razer, america used to promote peace,love&understanding, bitbybit used to macro
Since when did Liquid (the actual team) hate on dota2 and Razer? This is news to me considering Razer was the first sponsor for TSL back in BW and FakeSteve used to work with Razer so I don't get your comment.
Can someone briefly explain the relationship to EG? Is it like Baseball where Alliance will act as an EG farm team, or is it like FXO with multiple divisions in different areas?
On April 13 2013 05:38 Ikris wrote: Can someone briefly explain the relationship to EG? Is it like Baseball where Alliance will act as an EG farm team, or is it like FXO with multiple divisions in different areas?
It's about viral marketing where EG doesn't explicitly say alliance is theirs, but leave obvious clues for people to find, so people spend all day talking about whether alliance is EG or not. It's a smashing success if I do say so myself.
On April 13 2013 02:47 Sub40APM wrote: I thought Idra and Huk would quit EG if Naniwa joined it. Were those not the wildly reported threats?
Idra also used to talk about how much he hated HuK and was so glad that he wasn't on EG..
EG also used to shit on Razer gear, didn't they?
Yeah. Idra used to hate HuK, EG used to hate razer. Fact is, they do/say and put up with whatever keeps the money flowing. Not saying that's a bad thing, as it makes sense. Just saying that EG wouldn't let something like Idra hating yet another person in the pro scene get in the way of a good idea.
On April 13 2013 02:47 Sub40APM wrote: I thought Idra and Huk would quit EG if Naniwa joined it. Were those not the wildly reported threats?
Idra also used to talk about how much he hated HuK and was so glad that he wasn't on EG..
EG also used to shit on Razer gear, didn't they?
Yeah. Idra used to hate HuK, EG used to hate razer. Fact is, they do/say and put up with whatever keeps the money flowing. Not saying that's a bad thing, as it makes sense. Just saying that EG wouldn't let something like Idra hating yet another person in the pro scene get in the way of a good idea.
Exactly, and conversely, the players can complain as much as they want/threaten to leave. But they would have to be complete idiots to willingly leave that team in their position. Huk presumably is still making a ton of money over their as well as Idra.
On April 13 2013 05:45 Batch wrote: EG merges with TL under the banner Alliance. First the team is announced with Naniwa joining it, then they will fill up with players from EG and TL.
Heh, that is actually a pretty funny idea. I have the impression of the TL proteam being broke, but I'm probably way off base.
On April 13 2013 02:47 Sub40APM wrote: I thought Idra and Huk would quit EG if Naniwa joined it. Were those not the wildly reported threats?
Idra also used to talk about how much he hated HuK and was so glad that he wasn't on EG..
EG also used to shit on Razer gear, didn't they?
Liquid used to hate dota2 & razer, america used to promote peace,love&understanding, bitbybit used to macro
Since when did Liquid (the actual team) hate on dota2 and Razer? This is news to me considering Razer was the first sponsor for TSL back in BW and FakeSteve used to work with Razer so I don't get your comment.
Yeah, I don't think Liquid' has actually hated on DotA2 and Razer, nkr is talking about specific community members, which is hardly a fair comparison to EG players shitting on Razer publicly.
Like you said, Razer sponsored the first TeamliquidSL and has been their first and only computer peripheral sponsor.
OH WAIT I GET IT!!!!!! EG wanted to sign Naniwa but he was afraid of the EG Curse ruining his career so he requested they make a whole new team so that he could attempt to elude the curse.... clever clever Nani!
On April 13 2013 04:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I'm more interested on whether or not this "team" is affiliated with EG
Best of luck to Naniwa!
it clearly is. people in the know are being hushed up about it, no one from EG has made any comment at all about anything (normally the first bunch to make snarky comments) etc.
On April 13 2013 04:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I'm more interested on whether or not this "team" is affiliated with EG
Best of luck to Naniwa!
it clearly is. people in the know are being hushed up about it, no one from EG has made any comment at all about anything (normally the first bunch to make snarky comments) etc.
Yeah good point. If their was no connection between the two you think one of them would have said so by now. Although the other way around is also kind of weird. If it is what most thinks it is, a second EG team with EU focus, why not say so?
Anyway gratz Naniwa, regardless which team you are on x)
On April 13 2013 02:47 Sub40APM wrote: I thought Idra and Huk would quit EG if Naniwa joined it. Were those not the wildly reported threats?
Idra also used to talk about how much he hated HuK and was so glad that he wasn't on EG..
EG also used to shit on Razer gear, didn't they?
Liquid used to hate dota2 & razer, america used to promote peace,love&understanding, bitbybit used to macro
Since when did Liquid (the actual team) hate on dota2 and Razer? This is news to me considering Razer was the first sponsor for TSL back in BW and FakeSteve used to work with Razer so I don't get your comment.
Yeah, I don't think Liquid' has actually hated on DotA2 and Razer, nkr is talking about specific community members, which is hardly a fair comparison to EG players shitting on Razer publicly.
Like you said, Razer sponsored the first TeamliquidSL and has been their first and only computer peripheral sponsor.
I love how "InControl does a joke interview where he mentions Razer" turns into "InControl hates Razer" which turns into "EG player hate Razer" which becomes "EG players were publicly shitting on Razer".
o Tidehunter and NaNiwa will be sporting the shiny, new Alliance tag effective immediately, and have been using Razer mice, keyboards, and mousepads for quite some time now.
o Tidehunter and NaNiwa will be sporting the shiny, new Alliance tag effective immediately, and have been using Razer mice, keyboards, and mousepads for quite some time now.
Can they promise that this is true? ;P
They have to use them at events, so I'd imagine they use them at home as well. It would really hurt their play to suddenly switch to a different setup once they get to a tournament.
On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote: Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa?
Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them.
On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote: Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa?
Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them.
So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean.
Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess.
On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote: Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa?
Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them.
So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean.
Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess.
Most people want to get 1st place. Naniwa wants to be the best. ^_^ Honestly though, I think Naniwa is in between wanting to be the very best and trying to get good results. He's obviously going to attend WCS EU instead of trying to work his way up through WCS KR (for the prestige of WCS KR). But, the WCS Grand Finals are supposed to represent the "VERY BEST" players, even more so than WCS KR, right?
On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote: Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa?
Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them.
So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean.
Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess.
Most people want to get 1st place. Naniwa wants to be the best. ^_^ Honestly though, I think Naniwa is in between wanting to be the very best and trying to get good results. He's obviously going to attend WCS EU instead of trying to work his way up through WCS KR (for the prestige of WCS KR). But, the WCS Grand Finals are supposed to represent the "VERY BEST" players, even more so than WCS KR, right?
No, the very best will always be GSL. Blizzard knows it and this championship is meant to give equal chances to every scene.
On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote: Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa?
Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them.
So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean.
Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess.
Most people want to get 1st place. Naniwa wants to be the best. ^_^ Honestly though, I think Naniwa is in between wanting to be the very best and trying to get good results. He's obviously going to attend WCS EU instead of trying to work his way up through WCS KR (for the prestige of WCS KR). But, the WCS Grand Finals are supposed to represent the "VERY BEST" players, even more so than WCS KR, right?
No, the very best will always be GSL. Blizzard knows it and this championship is meant to give equal chances to every scene.
WCS basically cut out a massive chunk the GSL talent to the point where I would say WCS grand finals might just have the very best because it will be all GSL talent so itll be a mini code S.
On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote: Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa?
Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them.
So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean.
Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess.
Most people want to get 1st place. Naniwa wants to be the best. ^_^ Honestly though, I think Naniwa is in between wanting to be the very best and trying to get good results. He's obviously going to attend WCS EU instead of trying to work his way up through WCS KR (for the prestige of WCS KR). But, the WCS Grand Finals are supposed to represent the "VERY BEST" players, even more so than WCS KR, right?
No, the very best will always be GSL. Blizzard knows it and this championship is meant to give equal chances to every scene.
WCS basically cut out a massive chunk the GSL talent to the point where I would say WCS grand finals might just have the very best because it will be all GSL talent so itll be a mini code S.
More like a, massive Code-S that was made available for everyone to compete in. They mimicked the GSL format, making everyone feel like they're playing GSL!
On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote: Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa?
Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them.
So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean.
Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess.
If you don't understand the idea of rooting for similarity, I don't know what to say. Try to convince people watching the Olympics that they shouldn't be cheering for their country or rooting against the country that tends to win an event. Look at the NBA, NFL, everything. Rooting for the team corresponding to your region is so common that it blows my mind when people act confused.
Mohdoo, the funny thing about NBA/NFL/etc. is that all of the players from those teams are actually from OUT OF THE STATE they are playing for. It's such a silly concept. But, people don't seem to mind that all of the players they are rooting for on "their team" are not actually related in any way to "their town". That's what blows my mind!
While the Olympics is cool to see how good different countries perform, I always want the better player to win, which happens a lot in races and whatnot, but does not always in team sports. Looking at Chess... Let's say there is a Russian versus a Norwegian. Pretending I'm from Russia... would I want Magnus Carlsen (NOR) to win because he's obviously a better player or would I want Aleksey Dreev (RUS) to win? I'd probably root for Aleksey, but I also wouldn't be upset if he lost because I know Magnus is better. (But SC2 often fails to reflect skill and so it is quite often that a less talented player beats a more talented player)
I root for Naniwa to win because I like him and his playstyle and I like seeing a foreigner actually do well. But when he gets beat by Life or Innovation or someone like that, I wouldn't really be that bothered because I know Innovation is a better and more skilled player.
On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote: Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa?
Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them.
So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean.
Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess.
Most people want to get 1st place. Naniwa wants to be the best. ^_^ Honestly though, I think Naniwa is in between wanting to be the very best and trying to get good results. He's obviously going to attend WCS EU instead of trying to work his way up through WCS KR (for the prestige of WCS KR). But, the WCS Grand Finals are supposed to represent the "VERY BEST" players, even more so than WCS KR, right?
No, the very best will always be GSL. Blizzard knows it and this championship is meant to give equal chances to every scene.
When 6/12 GSL champions who combined won 12/18 of the GSL's aren't going to play in Korea It's hardly an open and shut case that the best players are in GSL anymore.
On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote: Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa?
Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them.
So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean.
Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess.
If you don't understand the idea of rooting for similarity, I don't know what to say. Try to convince people watching the Olympics that they shouldn't be cheering for their country or rooting against the country that tends to win an event. Look at the NBA, NFL, everything. Rooting for the team corresponding to your region is so common that it blows my mind when people act confused.
Thats cute too bad that has nothing to do with his or my statement
On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote: Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa?
Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them.
So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean.
Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess.
Most people want to get 1st place. Naniwa wants to be the best. ^_^ Honestly though, I think Naniwa is in between wanting to be the very best and trying to get good results. He's obviously going to attend WCS EU instead of trying to work his way up through WCS KR (for the prestige of WCS KR). But, the WCS Grand Finals are supposed to represent the "VERY BEST" players, even more so than WCS KR, right?
No, the very best will always be GSL. Blizzard knows it and this championship is meant to give equal chances to every scene.
When 6/12 GSL champions who combined won 12/18 of the GSL's aren't going to play in Korea It's hardly an open and shut case that the best players are in GSL anymore.
Consider the fact that being a former champion doesn't mean that you're currently part of the best players in the world. They are not in Code S nor A. For now, I think the best will be in WCS KR. Or at least it will be the best way to determine the best player.
On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote: Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa?
Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them.
So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean.
Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess.
Most people want to get 1st place. Naniwa wants to be the best. ^_^ Honestly though, I think Naniwa is in between wanting to be the very best and trying to get good results. He's obviously going to attend WCS EU instead of trying to work his way up through WCS KR (for the prestige of WCS KR). But, the WCS Grand Finals are supposed to represent the "VERY BEST" players, even more so than WCS KR, right?
No, the very best will always be GSL. Blizzard knows it and this championship is meant to give equal chances to every scene.
When 6/12 GSL champions who combined won 12/18 of the GSL's aren't going to play in Korea It's hardly an open and shut case that the best players are in GSL anymore.
You really honestly believe that having mc/mvp in one league with 3 other koreans who aren't even that good, and a hole bunch of foreigners (who lets be honest are still shit at this game with the exception of nani/hano/grubby for eu) beats 200+ koreans who are all as good or better then said foreigners trying to even qualify for wcs kr? Even though nestea/mvp/mc won 12/18 gsls, they are still just 3 players, and they don't change the fact that eu/na will have a huge huge amount of players who are worse than almost any code b korean.
On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote: Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa?
Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them.
So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean.
Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess.
Most people want to get 1st place. Naniwa wants to be the best. ^_^ Honestly though, I think Naniwa is in between wanting to be the very best and trying to get good results. He's obviously going to attend WCS EU instead of trying to work his way up through WCS KR (for the prestige of WCS KR). But, the WCS Grand Finals are supposed to represent the "VERY BEST" players, even more so than WCS KR, right?
No, the very best will always be GSL. Blizzard knows it and this championship is meant to give equal chances to every scene.
When 6/12 GSL champions who combined won 12/18 of the GSL's aren't going to play in Korea It's hardly an open and shut case that the best players are in GSL anymore.
I guess I will take your word for it and ignore the results of the past 12 months. JK, I won't. Games change and former champions give way to new ones. I would love a more expansive, evidence supported argument for why GSL's claim to have the best players isn't an "open and shut case."
On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote: Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa?
Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them.
So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean.
Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess.
Most people want to get 1st place. Naniwa wants to be the best. ^_^ Honestly though, I think Naniwa is in between wanting to be the very best and trying to get good results. He's obviously going to attend WCS EU instead of trying to work his way up through WCS KR (for the prestige of WCS KR). But, the WCS Grand Finals are supposed to represent the "VERY BEST" players, even more so than WCS KR, right?
No, the very best will always be GSL. Blizzard knows it and this championship is meant to give equal chances to every scene.
When 6/12 GSL champions who combined won 12/18 of the GSL's aren't going to play in Korea It's hardly an open and shut case that the best players are in GSL anymore.
As much as i love Nestea and Mvp, they are not the best anymore. They fell out of for a reason. When we see Flash or Life going to the other WCS's, then we can start worrying.
On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote: Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa?
Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them.
So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean.
Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess.
Most people want to get 1st place. Naniwa wants to be the best. ^_^ Honestly though, I think Naniwa is in between wanting to be the very best and trying to get good results. He's obviously going to attend WCS EU instead of trying to work his way up through WCS KR (for the prestige of WCS KR). But, the WCS Grand Finals are supposed to represent the "VERY BEST" players, even more so than WCS KR, right?
No, the very best will always be GSL. Blizzard knows it and this championship is meant to give equal chances to every scene.
When 6/12 GSL champions who combined won 12/18 of the GSL's aren't going to play in Korea It's hardly an open and shut case that the best players are in GSL anymore.
Winning stuff in the past doesn't mean that you're good now.
On April 12 2013 22:10 hoby2000 wrote: I'm giving him 5 months before he decides to leave this "alliance."
I'm not trying to be an ass either. I would bet someone $100 he will leave this supposed "alliance" within 5 months. And then he'll hopefully disappear forever from the SC2 scene. Him and IdrA should form an alliance, and they can invite Catz and TT1 and they can be the QQ Crew. They'll never win tournaments because they'll always be complaining about having to play koreans, or that something is over powered, or act like children.
User was temp banned for this post.
I'm going to apologize for my statement after my temp ban,BUT SAY that I wasn't suggesting Naniwa doesn't want to play against the best, and he has proven he can. I was naming characteristics off all of those people together, and not necessarily suggesting that they all share the same ones.
But that ban was totally deserved, and should serve as a warning to others NOT to say anything of the sort on Teamliquid about pro players. I stand by what my statement was suggesting but regret going against Teamliquid's rules.
That being said, I'm interested to see how much this Alliance will help each other, and if more players will be joining the SC2 side of Alliance.
Everyone is getting real worked up about nationality and stuff. This is just the first season guys, Blizzard will listen to the community and do what they think is best. I know WCS seems rushed and probably was, but we just gotta wait it out.
On April 12 2013 22:10 hoby2000 wrote: I'm giving him 5 months before he decides to leave this "alliance."
I'm not trying to be an ass either. I would bet someone $100 he will leave this supposed "alliance" within 5 months. And then he'll hopefully disappear forever from the SC2 scene. Him and IdrA should form an alliance, and they can invite Catz and TT1 and they can be the QQ Crew. They'll never win tournaments because they'll always be complaining about having to play koreans, or that something is over powered, or act like children.
User was temp banned for this post.
I'm going to apologize for my statement after my temp ban,BUT SAY that I wasn't suggesting Naniwa doesn't want to play against the best, and he has proven he can. I was naming characteristics off all of those people together, and not necessarily suggesting that they all share the same ones.
But that ban was totally deserved, and should serve as a warning to others NOT to say anything of the sort on Teamliquid about pro players. I stand by what my statement was suggesting but regret going against Teamliquid's rules.
That being said, I'm interested to see how much this Alliance will help each other, and if more players will be joining the SC2 side of Alliance.
On April 12 2013 22:10 hoby2000 wrote: I'm giving him 5 months before he decides to leave this "alliance."
I'm not trying to be an ass either. I would bet someone $100 he will leave this supposed "alliance" within 5 months. And then he'll hopefully disappear forever from the SC2 scene. Him and IdrA should form an alliance, and they can invite Catz and TT1 and they can be the QQ Crew. They'll never win tournaments because they'll always be complaining about having to play koreans, or that something is over powered, or act like children.
User was temp banned for this post.
I'm going to apologize for my statement after my temp ban,BUT SAY that I wasn't suggesting Naniwa doesn't want to play against the best, and he has proven he can. I was naming characteristics off all of those people together, and not necessarily suggesting that they all share the same ones.
But that ban was totally deserved, and should serve as a warning to others NOT to say anything of the sort on Teamliquid about pro players. I stand by what my statement was suggesting but regret going against Teamliquid's rules.
That being said, I'm interested to see how much this Alliance will help each other, and if more players will be joining the SC2 side of Alliance.
You're only digging yourself into a deeper hole.
But... he's right? I guess you can get banned for being honest? Oh well.
I've read the entire thread, and it seems no one has bothered to mention something that, to me at least, is perhaps the biggest indicator of Alliance being connected to EG: an interview with AdmiralBulldog in which he comments on the identity of their sponsor.
On April 15 2013 15:22 Bogeyman wrote: I've read the entire thread, and it seems no one has bothered to mention something that, to me at least, is perhaps the biggest indicator of Alliance being connected to EG: an interview with AdmiralBulldog in which he comments on the identity of their sponsor.
On April 12 2013 22:10 hoby2000 wrote: I'm giving him 5 months before he decides to leave this "alliance."
I'm not trying to be an ass either. I would bet someone $100 he will leave this supposed "alliance" within 5 months. And then he'll hopefully disappear forever from the SC2 scene. Him and IdrA should form an alliance, and they can invite Catz and TT1 and they can be the QQ Crew. They'll never win tournaments because they'll always be complaining about having to play koreans, or that something is over powered, or act like children.
User was temp banned for this post.
I'm going to apologize for my statement after my temp ban,BUT SAY that I wasn't suggesting Naniwa doesn't want to play against the best, and he has proven he can. I was naming characteristics off all of those people together, and not necessarily suggesting that they all share the same ones.
But that ban was totally deserved, and should serve as a warning to others NOT to say anything of the sort on Teamliquid about pro players. I stand by what my statement was suggesting but regret going against Teamliquid's rules.
That being said, I'm interested to see how much this Alliance will help each other, and if more players will be joining the SC2 side of Alliance.
You're only digging yourself into a deeper hole.
By that, you mean he expresssed his an opinion in a manner that was acceptable without having to piss people off? Learning to filter the first post to the second post will allow you to express yourself alot more on TL or on the internet at all for instance.
On April 15 2013 15:22 Bogeyman wrote: I've read the entire thread, and it seems no one has bothered to mention something that, to me at least, is perhaps the biggest indicator of Alliance being connected to EG: an interview with AdmiralBulldog in which he comments on the identity of their sponsor.
On April 15 2013 15:22 Bogeyman wrote: I've read the entire thread, and it seems no one has bothered to mention something that, to me at least, is perhaps the biggest indicator of Alliance being connected to EG: an interview with AdmiralBulldog in which he comments on the identity of their sponsor.
On April 15 2013 15:22 Bogeyman wrote: I've read the entire thread, and it seems no one has bothered to mention something that, to me at least, is perhaps the biggest indicator of Alliance being connected to EG: an interview with AdmiralBulldog in which he comments on the identity of their sponsor.
It's not like the evidence isn't good enough already, but still. If in the end EG has no involvement, AdmiralBulldog has trolled us all.
You're not even going to link to the part of the video in which he talks about it or say what he said...?
I hid the video with a spoiler tag. Click the "show spoiler" thingy and you'll see the video. I'll do you a favor though and post it again without the spoiler tag, and I'll even link to the time when the question regarding the sponsor is asked. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VOBcN5i3_r0#t=221s
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