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On April 14 2013 03:29 HeeroFX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote:
Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa? Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them.
So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean.
Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess.
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On April 14 2013 03:54 FromShouri wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:29 HeeroFX wrote:On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote:
Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa? Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them. So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean. Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess.
Most people want to get 1st place. Naniwa wants to be the best. ^_^
Honestly though, I think Naniwa is in between wanting to be the very best and trying to get good results. He's obviously going to attend WCS EU instead of trying to work his way up through WCS KR (for the prestige of WCS KR). But, the WCS Grand Finals are supposed to represent the "VERY BEST" players, even more so than WCS KR, right?
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On April 14 2013 04:08 Blargh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:54 FromShouri wrote:On April 14 2013 03:29 HeeroFX wrote:On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote:
Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa? Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them. So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean. Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess. Most people want to get 1st place. Naniwa wants to be the best. ^_^ Honestly though, I think Naniwa is in between wanting to be the very best and trying to get good results. He's obviously going to attend WCS EU instead of trying to work his way up through WCS KR (for the prestige of WCS KR). But, the WCS Grand Finals are supposed to represent the "VERY BEST" players, even more so than WCS KR, right?
No, the very best will always be GSL.
Blizzard knows it and this championship is meant to give equal chances to every scene.
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Good sponsor, good player. I have high hopes for this new team
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On April 14 2013 04:29 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:08 Blargh wrote:On April 14 2013 03:54 FromShouri wrote:On April 14 2013 03:29 HeeroFX wrote:On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote:
Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa? Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them. So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean. Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess. Most people want to get 1st place. Naniwa wants to be the best. ^_^ Honestly though, I think Naniwa is in between wanting to be the very best and trying to get good results. He's obviously going to attend WCS EU instead of trying to work his way up through WCS KR (for the prestige of WCS KR). But, the WCS Grand Finals are supposed to represent the "VERY BEST" players, even more so than WCS KR, right? No, the very best will always be GSL. Blizzard knows it and this championship is meant to give equal chances to every scene.
WCS basically cut out a massive chunk the GSL talent to the point where I would say WCS grand finals might just have the very best because it will be all GSL talent so itll be a mini code S.
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On April 14 2013 05:33 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:29 Acertos wrote:On April 14 2013 04:08 Blargh wrote:On April 14 2013 03:54 FromShouri wrote:On April 14 2013 03:29 HeeroFX wrote:On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote:
Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa? Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them. So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean. Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess. Most people want to get 1st place. Naniwa wants to be the best. ^_^ Honestly though, I think Naniwa is in between wanting to be the very best and trying to get good results. He's obviously going to attend WCS EU instead of trying to work his way up through WCS KR (for the prestige of WCS KR). But, the WCS Grand Finals are supposed to represent the "VERY BEST" players, even more so than WCS KR, right? No, the very best will always be GSL. Blizzard knows it and this championship is meant to give equal chances to every scene. WCS basically cut out a massive chunk the GSL talent to the point where I would say WCS grand finals might just have the very best because it will be all GSL talent so itll be a mini code S.
More like a, massive Code-S that was made available for everyone to compete in. They mimicked the GSL format, making everyone feel like they're playing GSL!
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On April 13 2013 04:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:I'm more interested on whether or not this "team" is affiliated with EG  Best of luck to Naniwa!
Happy post birthday!
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On April 14 2013 03:54 FromShouri wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:29 HeeroFX wrote:On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote:
Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa? Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them. So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean. Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess.
If you don't understand the idea of rooting for similarity, I don't know what to say. Try to convince people watching the Olympics that they shouldn't be cheering for their country or rooting against the country that tends to win an event. Look at the NBA, NFL, everything. Rooting for the team corresponding to your region is so common that it blows my mind when people act confused.
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Mohdoo, the funny thing about NBA/NFL/etc. is that all of the players from those teams are actually from OUT OF THE STATE they are playing for. It's such a silly concept. But, people don't seem to mind that all of the players they are rooting for on "their team" are not actually related in any way to "their town". That's what blows my mind!
While the Olympics is cool to see how good different countries perform, I always want the better player to win, which happens a lot in races and whatnot, but does not always in team sports. Looking at Chess... Let's say there is a Russian versus a Norwegian. Pretending I'm from Russia... would I want Magnus Carlsen (NOR) to win because he's obviously a better player or would I want Aleksey Dreev (RUS) to win? I'd probably root for Aleksey, but I also wouldn't be upset if he lost because I know Magnus is better. (But SC2 often fails to reflect skill and so it is quite often that a less talented player beats a more talented player)
I root for Naniwa to win because I like him and his playstyle and I like seeing a foreigner actually do well. But when he gets beat by Life or Innovation or someone like that, I wouldn't really be that bothered because I know Innovation is a better and more skilled player.
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On April 14 2013 04:29 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:08 Blargh wrote:On April 14 2013 03:54 FromShouri wrote:On April 14 2013 03:29 HeeroFX wrote:On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote:
Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa? Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them. So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean. Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess. Most people want to get 1st place. Naniwa wants to be the best. ^_^ Honestly though, I think Naniwa is in between wanting to be the very best and trying to get good results. He's obviously going to attend WCS EU instead of trying to work his way up through WCS KR (for the prestige of WCS KR). But, the WCS Grand Finals are supposed to represent the "VERY BEST" players, even more so than WCS KR, right? No, the very best will always be GSL. Blizzard knows it and this championship is meant to give equal chances to every scene.
When 6/12 GSL champions who combined won 12/18 of the GSL's aren't going to play in Korea It's hardly an open and shut case that the best players are in GSL anymore.
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On April 14 2013 06:03 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:54 FromShouri wrote:On April 14 2013 03:29 HeeroFX wrote:On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote:
Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa? Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them. So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean. Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess. If you don't understand the idea of rooting for similarity, I don't know what to say. Try to convince people watching the Olympics that they shouldn't be cheering for their country or rooting against the country that tends to win an event. Look at the NBA, NFL, everything. Rooting for the team corresponding to your region is so common that it blows my mind when people act confused.
Thats cute too bad that has nothing to do with his or my statement
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gl Naniwa, hope this team works out for you
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On April 14 2013 06:37 HiTeK532 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:29 Acertos wrote:On April 14 2013 04:08 Blargh wrote:On April 14 2013 03:54 FromShouri wrote:On April 14 2013 03:29 HeeroFX wrote:On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote:
Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa? Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them. So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean. Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess. Most people want to get 1st place. Naniwa wants to be the best. ^_^ Honestly though, I think Naniwa is in between wanting to be the very best and trying to get good results. He's obviously going to attend WCS EU instead of trying to work his way up through WCS KR (for the prestige of WCS KR). But, the WCS Grand Finals are supposed to represent the "VERY BEST" players, even more so than WCS KR, right? No, the very best will always be GSL. Blizzard knows it and this championship is meant to give equal chances to every scene. When 6/12 GSL champions who combined won 12/18 of the GSL's aren't going to play in Korea It's hardly an open and shut case that the best players are in GSL anymore.
Consider the fact that being a former champion doesn't mean that you're currently part of the best players in the world.
They are not in Code S nor A.
For now, I think the best will be in WCS KR. Or at least it will be the best way to determine the best player.
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A few current Code A players are dropping out of GSL, but WCS KR is still by far the toughest region.
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On April 14 2013 06:37 HiTeK532 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:29 Acertos wrote:On April 14 2013 04:08 Blargh wrote:On April 14 2013 03:54 FromShouri wrote:On April 14 2013 03:29 HeeroFX wrote:On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote:
Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa? Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them. So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean. Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess. Most people want to get 1st place. Naniwa wants to be the best. ^_^ Honestly though, I think Naniwa is in between wanting to be the very best and trying to get good results. He's obviously going to attend WCS EU instead of trying to work his way up through WCS KR (for the prestige of WCS KR). But, the WCS Grand Finals are supposed to represent the "VERY BEST" players, even more so than WCS KR, right? No, the very best will always be GSL. Blizzard knows it and this championship is meant to give equal chances to every scene. When 6/12 GSL champions who combined won 12/18 of the GSL's aren't going to play in Korea It's hardly an open and shut case that the best players are in GSL anymore.
You really honestly believe that having mc/mvp in one league with 3 other koreans who aren't even that good, and a hole bunch of foreigners (who lets be honest are still shit at this game with the exception of nani/hano/grubby for eu) beats 200+ koreans who are all as good or better then said foreigners trying to even qualify for wcs kr? Even though nestea/mvp/mc won 12/18 gsls, they are still just 3 players, and they don't change the fact that eu/na will have a huge huge amount of players who are worse than almost any code b korean.
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On April 14 2013 06:37 HiTeK532 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:29 Acertos wrote:On April 14 2013 04:08 Blargh wrote:On April 14 2013 03:54 FromShouri wrote:On April 14 2013 03:29 HeeroFX wrote:On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote:
Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa? Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them. So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean. Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess. Most people want to get 1st place. Naniwa wants to be the best. ^_^ Honestly though, I think Naniwa is in between wanting to be the very best and trying to get good results. He's obviously going to attend WCS EU instead of trying to work his way up through WCS KR (for the prestige of WCS KR). But, the WCS Grand Finals are supposed to represent the "VERY BEST" players, even more so than WCS KR, right? No, the very best will always be GSL. Blizzard knows it and this championship is meant to give equal chances to every scene. When 6/12 GSL champions who combined won 12/18 of the GSL's aren't going to play in Korea It's hardly an open and shut case that the best players are in GSL anymore.
I guess I will take your word for it and ignore the results of the past 12 months. JK, I won't. Games change and former champions give way to new ones. I would love a more expansive, evidence supported argument for why GSL's claim to have the best players isn't an "open and shut case."
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On April 14 2013 06:37 HiTeK532 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:29 Acertos wrote:On April 14 2013 04:08 Blargh wrote:On April 14 2013 03:54 FromShouri wrote:On April 14 2013 03:29 HeeroFX wrote:On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote:
Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa? Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them. So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean. Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess. Most people want to get 1st place. Naniwa wants to be the best. ^_^ Honestly though, I think Naniwa is in between wanting to be the very best and trying to get good results. He's obviously going to attend WCS EU instead of trying to work his way up through WCS KR (for the prestige of WCS KR). But, the WCS Grand Finals are supposed to represent the "VERY BEST" players, even more so than WCS KR, right? No, the very best will always be GSL. Blizzard knows it and this championship is meant to give equal chances to every scene. When 6/12 GSL champions who combined won 12/18 of the GSL's aren't going to play in Korea It's hardly an open and shut case that the best players are in GSL anymore.
As much as i love Nestea and Mvp, they are not the best anymore. They fell out of for a reason. When we see Flash or Life going to the other WCS's, then we can start worrying.
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On April 14 2013 06:37 HiTeK532 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:29 Acertos wrote:On April 14 2013 04:08 Blargh wrote:On April 14 2013 03:54 FromShouri wrote:On April 14 2013 03:29 HeeroFX wrote:On April 14 2013 02:49 MoiraineTV wrote:
Why do people want nice things for a douche like naniwa? Because he works super hard and is actually harder on himself when he loses than the critics could be. He actually wants to beat koreans, he doesn't fear them. So like 90% of the population? Am I in the minority that doesn't care what country someone is from, but is just gonna do everything they can in their power to just win the game? I mean I would play korean BW servers and I played in the korean ladder at WOL release and got plat before I started focusing on the NA server because I could actually talk to people in something beyond broken english/google translate korean. Maybe I took ICCUP for granted because I use to look down on people who weren't korean, till I ran into a ton of non-koreans that could kick my ass. It was kind of a reality check, I guess. Most people want to get 1st place. Naniwa wants to be the best. ^_^ Honestly though, I think Naniwa is in between wanting to be the very best and trying to get good results. He's obviously going to attend WCS EU instead of trying to work his way up through WCS KR (for the prestige of WCS KR). But, the WCS Grand Finals are supposed to represent the "VERY BEST" players, even more so than WCS KR, right? No, the very best will always be GSL. Blizzard knows it and this championship is meant to give equal chances to every scene. When 6/12 GSL champions who combined won 12/18 of the GSL's aren't going to play in Korea It's hardly an open and shut case that the best players are in GSL anymore.
Winning stuff in the past doesn't mean that you're good now.
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On April 12 2013 22:10 hoby2000 wrote:
I'm giving him 5 months before he decides to leave this "alliance."
I'm not trying to be an ass either. I would bet someone $100 he will leave this supposed "alliance" within 5 months. And then he'll hopefully disappear forever from the SC2 scene. Him and IdrA should form an alliance, and they can invite Catz and TT1 and they can be the QQ Crew. They'll never win tournaments because they'll always be complaining about having to play koreans, or that something is over powered, or act like children.
User was temp banned for this post.
I'm going to apologize for my statement after my temp ban,BUT SAY that I wasn't suggesting Naniwa doesn't want to play against the best, and he has proven he can. I was naming characteristics off all of those people together, and not necessarily suggesting that they all share the same ones.
But that ban was totally deserved, and should serve as a warning to others NOT to say anything of the sort on Teamliquid about pro players. I stand by what my statement was suggesting but regret going against Teamliquid's rules.
That being said, I'm interested to see how much this Alliance will help each other, and if more players will be joining the SC2 side of Alliance.
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Everyone is getting real worked up about nationality and stuff. This is just the first season guys, Blizzard will listen to the community and do what they think is best. I know WCS seems rushed and probably was, but we just gotta wait it out.
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