On April 03 2013 03:01 pewpew444 wrote: I feel bad for the guy who spent $800 thinking he was supporting actual "Dark horses."
This does seem to have turned into Project "Hey, I'm Jessica, give me your money so I can give it to the SlayerS players that I still get along with".
That's me. I've already asked for a refund. It's clearly stated on their site what it's supposed to be used for, and they have ignored that. I politely asked for a refund of my money as they haven't shipped the uniform yet upon my request.
Puzzle and Coca could get on pretty much any foreigner team right now and probably get their trip paid for anyway. If not they can stream and make their money back more than likely. My $800 wasn't to give Jessica's friends a shortcut back into the game, it was to give a passionate player a chance to prove him/herself.
Did you not know who jessica was when you gave $800 to her?
On April 03 2013 03:01 pewpew444 wrote: I feel bad for the guy who spent $800 thinking he was supporting actual "Dark horses."
This does seem to have turned into Project "Hey, I'm Jessica, give me your money so I can give it to the SlayerS players that I still get along with".
I'm far from a Jessica defender, but the confusion is CSN's fault and not hers. When she decided to sell the clothes, she clearly stated on twitter that the funds would be used to send some of the remaining slayers players to foreign events. CSN twisted her words into some dark horse project, when that's clearly not what she wanted going by her twitter posts back then. I always assumed it would be used on slayers players. It just took CSN so long to get the auction going, that people forgot her tweets.
On April 03 2013 03:01 pewpew444 wrote: I feel bad for the guy who spent $800 thinking he was supporting actual "Dark horses."
This does seem to have turned into Project "Hey, I'm Jessica, give me your money so I can give it to the SlayerS players that I still get along with".
My $800 wasn't to give Jessica's friends a shortcut back into the game, it was to give a passionate player a chance to prove him/herself.
You know that the clothes were still jessica's property and she was just using CSN as a proxy seller right? Anyways, I blame CSN's for the confusion as I have no problem with her picking the players since it is her money.
On April 03 2013 03:01 pewpew444 wrote: I feel bad for the guy who spent $800 thinking he was supporting actual "Dark horses."
This does seem to have turned into Project "Hey, I'm Jessica, give me your money so I can give it to the SlayerS players that I still get along with".
That's me. I've already asked for a refund. It's clearly stated on their site what it's supposed to be used for, and they have ignored that. I politely asked for a refund of my money as they haven't shipped the uniform yet upon my request.
Puzzle and Coca could get on pretty much any foreigner team right now and probably get their trip paid for anyway. If not they can stream and make their money back more than likely. My $800 wasn't to give Jessica's friends a shortcut back into the game, it was to give a passionate player a chance to prove him/herself.
Did you not know who jessica was when you gave $800 to her?
This was The Darkhorse Project by CSN, not Jessica takes my money for her friends project.
On April 03 2013 03:01 pewpew444 wrote: I feel bad for the guy who spent $800 thinking he was supporting actual "Dark horses."
This does seem to have turned into Project "Hey, I'm Jessica, give me your money so I can give it to the SlayerS players that I still get along with".
That's me. I've already asked for a refund. It's clearly stated on their site what it's supposed to be used for, and they have ignored that. I politely asked for a refund of my money as they haven't shipped the uniform yet upon my request.
Puzzle and Coca could get on pretty much any foreigner team right now and probably get their trip paid for anyway. If not they can stream and make their money back more than likely. My $800 wasn't to give Jessica's friends a shortcut back into the game, it was to give a passionate player a chance to prove him/herself.
Did you not know who jessica was when you gave $800 to her?
This was The Darkhorse Project by CSN, not Jessica takes my money for her friends project.
That makes much more sense. From the op, it seems like she was always going to decide.
On April 02 2013 16:40 opterown wrote: re: those calling for puzzle and coca to sign with axiom
i'm not sure that's so likely? considering that they still seem to be in favour with slayers`jessica who definitely seems antagonistic towards axiom, i'm not so sure. considering cella isn't coaching for ax-acer o.O
Why would she ever be antagonistic towards axiom? Didn't the team establish long after SlayerS disbanded? :o
Maybe because she threatened to sue us over Twitter? That's probably got something to do with it. Jessica is crazy.
To be fair, she threatens to sue everyone that does anything she believes is against her and Boxer. You know, 16-18 year old pro gamers, journalist, maybe her make up artist. She is equal opportunity with her crazy. TB isn't really special in this regard, beyond the fact that he isn't really worried about her.
The girl is a nut job no matter how you slice it. Once they both returned I sort of knew where these donations/auctions were going to go. Not hard to connect the dots considering they haven't joined other teams yet meh.
On April 03 2013 03:01 pewpew444 wrote: I feel bad for the guy who spent $800 thinking he was supporting actual "Dark horses."
This does seem to have turned into Project "Hey, I'm Jessica, give me your money so I can give it to the SlayerS players that I still get along with".
That's me. I've already asked for a refund. It's clearly stated on their site what it's supposed to be used for, and they have ignored that. I politely asked for a refund of my money as they haven't shipped the uniform yet upon my request.
Puzzle and Coca could get on pretty much any foreigner team right now and probably get their trip paid for anyway. If not they can stream and make their money back more than likely. My $800 wasn't to give Jessica's friends a shortcut back into the game, it was to give a passionate player a chance to prove him/herself.
Did you not know who jessica was when you gave $800 to her?
This was The Darkhorse Project by CSN, not Jessica takes my money for her friends project.
That makes much more sense. From the op, it seems like she was always going to decide.
I don't follow twitter, especially in Korean, so I went with the website.
On April 02 2013 16:40 opterown wrote: re: those calling for puzzle and coca to sign with axiom
i'm not sure that's so likely? considering that they still seem to be in favour with slayers`jessica who definitely seems antagonistic towards axiom, i'm not so sure. considering cella isn't coaching for ax-acer o.O
Why would she ever be antagonistic towards axiom? Didn't the team establish long after SlayerS disbanded? :o
Maybe because she threatened to sue us over Twitter? That's probably got something to do with it. Jessica is crazy.
To be fair, she threatens to sue everyone that does anything she believes is against her and Boxer. You know, 16-18 year old pro gamers, journalist, maybe her make up artist. She is equal opportunity with her crazy. TB isn't really special in this regard, beyond the fact that he isn't really worried about her.
The girl is a nut job no matter how you slice it. Once they both returned I sort of knew where these donations/auctions were going to go. Not hard to connect the dots considering they haven't joined other teams yet meh.
Well it was not that obvious, public did not know on what terms they parted ways.
Like you said, you could connect the dots, if you would pay attention to the moments in time, when the rumors of their return started to emerge and when the dark horse project was started. Looking at it now, it perfectly makes sense.
In the end, she baited people into supporting her proteges using CSN as a front. Dark horses, lol.
I don't understand the hate from some people here.
These two were both considered to be among the top players of their races during their time. They hit a rough patch. They were on a team with a bleak future, went to another one and that one blew up disastrously.
During all that drama they were probably the odd couple out, not being part of the original Slayers crew. Right around that time all the Kespa pros flooded into the scene in a big way for the first time, and started knocking out the GSL players in the WCS qualifiers.
Not the best decision certainly by them to throw in the towel and switch to LoL, but what's wrong with giving them another chance?
The idea that they could just find foreign teams to send them to Dreamhack is ludicrous. Players with much better recent results had a hard time finding teams lately.
YES!!!!!! 2 of my favorite players, I hope they're not too out of shape and I'm still waiting for coca to take a gsl since the time he got disqualified...
On April 03 2013 03:01 pewpew444 wrote: I feel bad for the guy who spent $800 thinking he was supporting actual "Dark horses."
This does seem to have turned into Project "Hey, I'm Jessica, give me your money so I can give it to the SlayerS players that I still get along with".
I'm far from a Jessica defender, but the confusion is CSN's fault and not hers. When she decided to sell the clothes, she clearly stated on twitter that the funds would be used to send some of the remaining slayers players to foreign events. CSN twisted her words into some dark horse project, when that's clearly not what she wanted going by her twitter posts back then. I always assumed it would be used on slayers players. It just took CSN so long to get the auction going, that people forgot her tweets.
On April 03 2013 03:01 pewpew444 wrote: I feel bad for the guy who spent $800 thinking he was supporting actual "Dark horses."
This does seem to have turned into Project "Hey, I'm Jessica, give me your money so I can give it to the SlayerS players that I still get along with".
My $800 wasn't to give Jessica's friends a shortcut back into the game, it was to give a passionate player a chance to prove him/herself.
You know that the clothes were still jessica's property and she was just using CSN as a proxy seller right? Anyways, I blame CSN's for the confusion as I have no problem with her picking the players since it is her money.
This is true: I, because I read Jessica's statements first, was always under the impression that this was the way the money was to be used: to help the players who suffered as a result of the team shutting down. It's probably more of a miscommunication, panties officially in a twist guy.
On April 03 2013 06:44 sitromit wrote: I don't understand the hate from some people here.
These two were both considered to be among the top players of their races during their time. They hit a rough patch. They were on a team with a bleak future, went to another one and that one blew up disastrously.
During all that drama they were probably the odd couple out, not being part of the original Slayers crew. Right around that time all the Kespa pros flooded into the scene in a big way for the first time, and started knocking out the GSL players in the WCS qualifiers.
Not the best decision certainly by them to throw in the towel and switch to LoL, but what's wrong with giving them another chance?
The idea that they could just find foreign teams to send them to Dreamhack is ludicrous. Players with much better recent results had a hard time finding teams lately.
Because you feel cheated on by CSN. Sure it's great that they are coming back but this is totally the wrong fashion.
Project Darkhorse wasn't for old SC2 pros that switched over or took a brake to later return with a flight payed to a premier tournament. (completely out of the dark as well, they haven't streamed or played in any cups) It was for a NEW player to get his/her chance at making results.
And please tell me what players are left that haven't found a new home. A lot of players have found homes now after HOTS release.
So we don't blame Coca and Puzzle for making a return, we are blaming CSN for not telling us the true story.
On April 03 2013 06:44 sitromit wrote: I don't understand the hate from some people here.
These two were both considered to be among the top players of their races during their time. They hit a rough patch. They were on a team with a bleak future, went to another one and that one blew up disastrously.
During all that drama they were probably the odd couple out, not being part of the original Slayers crew. Right around that time all the Kespa pros flooded into the scene in a big way for the first time, and started knocking out the GSL players in the WCS qualifiers.
Not the best decision certainly by them to throw in the towel and switch to LoL, but what's wrong with giving them another chance?
The idea that they could just find foreign teams to send them to Dreamhack is ludicrous. Players with much better recent results had a hard time finding teams lately.
Because you feel cheated on by CSN. Sure it's great that they are coming back but this is totally the wrong fashion.
Project Darkhorse wasn't for old SC2 pros that switched over or took a brake to later return with a flight payed to a premier tournament. (completely out of the dark as well, they haven't streamed or played in any cups) It was for a NEW player to get his/her chance at making results.
And please tell me what players are left that haven't found a new home. A lot of players have found homes now after HOTS release.
So we don't blame Coca and Puzzle for making a return, we are blaming CSN for not telling us the true story.
Alive and Oz were teamless for a long time, until EG became desperate and picked them up for PL. It took Hyun and Symbol, two recent Code S finalists, a very long time to find themselves teams. Hyun just said he still doesn't know if he'll be sent to Dreamhack, not for lack of desire on his part. Squirtle, Code S player, shopped around for a long time before IM picked him up.
I'm sorry but the idea that these guys would have been given good deals from foreign teams after not having played for half a year is just silly.
On April 03 2013 06:44 sitromit wrote: These two were both considered to be among the top players of their races during their time. They hit a rough patch. They were on a team with a bleak future, went to another one and that one blew up disastrously.
Thus disqualifying them for the title of "new progamer" or darkhorse.
During all that drama they were probably the odd couple out, not being part of the original Slayers crew. Right around that time all the Kespa pros flooded into the scene in a big way for the first time, and started knocking out the GSL players in the WCS qualifiers.
Not really relevant. Plenty of people have faced mild adversity, but coca and puzzle just dealt with it terribly (switching games, into returning when they predictably didn't succeed in the other game and there seemed to be some opportunity for easier money in HoTS).
Not the best decision certainly by them to throw in the towel and switch to LoL, but what's wrong with giving them another chance?
Nothing. No one is saying they aren't allowed to compete or that if they qualify legitimately that they should be barred or something. The point is that this project was not made to help them. The people who paid to this were misled (may even qualify as a scam).
The idea that they could just find foreign teams to send them to Dreamhack is ludicrous. Players with much better recent results had a hard time finding teams lately.
Well why don't those players then get the trip? They are better, stuck with SC2 and need a break.
This isn't a "send a popular player to DH who wouldn't otherwise get to go". If they were upfront about such a venture and said that it went towards Puzzle and Coca, then there would be no drama (but probably also very little money raised). This is why no one complained when Reddit send MKP to some MLG. They didn't say they would help a newcomer to the scene, and then once donations were in announced it was MKP, they very honest about it.
Personally I think these are great picks for Project Dark Horse, as they are teamless and have tons of potential. Its not a risky investment. That being said, I can see that people are upset that former pro's who quit to join the LoL train are being sponsored. I suppose there is a risk with donating money to funding an unannounced player, no matter who they pick, there will be people who are upset. Maybe they should announce the next player(s) prior to their next round of auctions/funding.
To those that seem angered by this decision, who would you send if the decision were up to you?
cool. two very talented players coming back to sc2, should be interesting to see their results. I just hope this isn't a fling and they quit after dreamhack.
On April 03 2013 06:44 sitromit wrote: These two were both considered to be among the top players of their races during their time. They hit a rough patch. They were on a team with a bleak future, went to another one and that one blew up disastrously.
Thus disqualifying them for the title of "new progamer" or darkhorse.
Not new players maybe, but dark horse, how could they not be? We're talking about 2 players everyone had already written off. Imagine Puzzle wins Dreamhack 3 weeks from now. Who could have even predicted that a month ago? We don't even know how these guys are playing, aside from catching a glimpse of Puzzle in a few streams. If a player who's been gone from the scene comes back half a year later and kicks ass in a premier tournament, how is that not a dark horse?
EPT
Hope they will get a new home 
