Remember, people, while Sniper is a top Zerg, his ZvT is his worst match up. He did win the GSL last season, but his vT record in that season was 2-2, losing to MKP and Bogus but beating Polt and Ryung (EDIT: this was worse than his vP (3-0) and vZ (2-0)). IPL 5 did show us another side of him, too. He crushed through ZvZ and ZvP, with a terrifying 12-1 record, but he got knocked out by Terrans - twice. He lost to TheStC 2-0 in his first match (really? StC played well but he's not even Code S) and then to Polt 0-2. He did take out TaeJa, but he dropped a game there, too. TLPD also suggests it's his worst matchup; 56.10% winrate, compared to his ZvZ (60.38%) and ZvP (65.00%).

Sniper's ZvT isn't necessarily bad, but with GuMiho and Bomber being two of the best Terrans (save maybe MKP), it is going to be nowhere near as easy as everyone made out. It does some like HuK will be a pushover, but that may not be enough for the Code S champion to stay in Code S. He does have a fairly high chance of making it through, but if he wins his group the Round of 16 could look easy compared to this group.

PhoenixVoid

Canada32746 Posts

January 14 2013 22:17 GMT

#463

On January 15 2013 07:11 Shellshock1122 wrote:

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People are underrating B4 and YoDa probably

I agree, group D is actually one of the better groups out there, it just lacks the star power. Probably one of the closest groups out there (except for HyuN who is the outlier). YoDa shows glimpses of brilliance every once in a while, and B4 is a fairly strong ZvT'er and occasionally good at every match-up. Squirtle is solid in every match-up and rarely gets flustered or lost.

MrJoKer

France232 Posts

January 14 2013 22:24 GMT

#464

Every new GSL are harder than the previous one.

sitromit

7051 Posts

January 14 2013 22:37 GMT

#465

On January 15 2013 07:17 Mariosatr wrote:
Remember, people, while Sniper is a top Zerg, his ZvT is his worst match up. He did win the GSL last season, but his vT record in that season was 2-2, losing to MKP and Bogus but beating Polt and Ryung (EDIT: this was worse than his vP (3-0) and vZ (2-0)). IPL 5 did show us another side of him, too. He crushed through ZvZ and ZvP, with a terrifying 12-1 record, but he got knocked out by Terrans - twice. He lost to TheStC 2-0 in his first match (really? StC played well but he's not even Code S) and then to Polt 0-2. He did take out TaeJa, but he dropped a game there, too. TLPD also suggests it's his worst matchup; 56.10% winrate, compared to his ZvZ (60.38%) and ZvP (65.00%).

Sniper's ZvT isn't necessarily bad, but with GuMiho and Bomber being two of the best Terrans (save maybe MKP), it is going to be nowhere near as easy as everyone made out. It does some like HuK will be a pushover, but that may not be enough for the Code S champion to stay in Code S. He does have a fairly high chance of making it through, but if he wins his group the Round of 16 could look easy compared to this group.

Sniper has an advantage in that he plays Huk first. I just can't see him losing to Huk. From there even if he loses to Bomber or Gumiho once, he gets a second shot. If he just wins one bo3 against either Terran, he's through. In the unlikely event that Huk miraculously makes it from the loser's match instead of Gumiho or Bomber, it becomes even easier for him.

xAdra

Singapore1858 Posts

January 14 2013 22:41 GMT

#466

Sad and mad that Whirlwind continues to be in the pool, that map is so ridiculously good for zerg. Other than that new maps are good. Sniper, as predicted, has to be the joykiller. Hoping for the 1/99 chance that HuK goes godlike and destroys Sniper so that we can have one less zerg in the tournament

sitromit

7051 Posts

January 14 2013 22:50 GMT

#467

On January 15 2013 07:17 PhoenixVoid wrote:

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B4 is on a long losing streak in ZvZ, and lost 2-0 to Hyun at IPL5, who he has to play first. His ZvT is his only matchup over 50%, and barely at that. He 2-1'ed his way to Code S directly from Code A playing only ZvT, but didn't really look convincing doing it. I don't think it's underestimating him, to say that he's one of the few players this season, who really doesn't feel like he belongs in Code S.

moskonia

Israel1448 Posts

January 14 2013 22:59 GMT

#468

Can't wait to see how the new map looks, but the map pool is so anti-toss its amazing, and with only 4 Protoss players left too... (can't count HuK)

cLAN.Anax

United States2847 Posts

January 14 2013 23:03 GMT

#469

NesTea's back in town!!! :-D

May the foreigners go far this season, too!

JJH777

United States4415 Posts

January 14 2013 23:04 GMT

#470

On January 15 2013 07:41 xAdra wrote:
Sad and mad that Whirlwind continues to be in the pool, that map is so ridiculously good for zerg. Other than that new maps are good. Sniper, as predicted, has to be the joykiller. Hoping for the 1/99 chance that HuK goes godlike and destroys Sniper so that we can have one less zerg in the tournament

Whirlwind isn't a good map for zerg. It's one of the few maps that T/P can actually abuse Broodlord immobility on because it's so huge. It's only good for zerg for the early and mid game. Broodlord/Infestor pretty much isn't viable on whirlwind and that's the main thing people complain about.

CeriseCherries

6170 Posts

January 14 2013 23:11 GMT

#471

stephano group looks doable...

Hall0wed

United States8486 Posts

January 14 2013 23:12 GMT

#472

I hope both Gumiho and Bomber make it out of that group, I want them both to have deep runs this season because they are way too good to be placing where they have been.

TheBB

Switzerland5133 Posts

January 14 2013 23:14 GMT

#473

Well, I ranked the groups too.

Group A: Creator, Byul, Symbol, Life (2325)
Group B: Leenock, Baby, Curious, MC (2281)
Group C: Sniper, Huk, Bomber, Gumiho (2272)
Group D: Hyun, BBoongBBoong, Yoda, Squirtle (2215)
Group H: Innovation, Stephano, Hack, DRG (2203(.25))
Group G: Soulkey, Noblesse, Nestea, Taeja (2203)
Group E: Ryung, Losira, Byun, Parting (2151)
Group F: MarineKing, Roro, Keen, Mvp (2103)

Tl;dr: People are way overrating group F and underrating group B.

Quakecomm

United States344 Posts

January 15 2013 00:13 GMT

#474

This means we'll finally get at least one KeSPA outside of korea maybe?

JJH777

United States4415 Posts

January 15 2013 00:15 GMT

#475

On January 15 2013 08:14 TheBB wrote:
Well, I ranked the groups too.

Group A: Creator, Byul, Symbol, Life (2325)
Group B: Leenock, Baby, Curious, MC (2281)
Group C: Sniper, Huk, Bomber, Gumiho (2272)
Group D: Hyun, BBoongBBoong, Yoda, Squirtle (2215)
Group H: Innovation, Stephano, Hack, DRG (2203(.25))
Group G: Soulkey, Noblesse, Nestea, Taeja (2203)
Group E: Ryung, Losira, Byun, Parting (2151)
Group F: MarineKing, Roro, Keen, Mvp (2103)

Tl;dr: People are way overrating group F and underrating group B.

It's impossible for a group with MVP to be overrated.

ragz_gt

9172 Posts

January 15 2013 00:18 GMT

#476

On January 15 2013 09:13 Quakecomm wrote:
This means we'll finally get at least one KeSPA outside of korea maybe?

My brain hurt so much from trying to make sense of this >.<

TommyP

United States6231 Posts

January 15 2013 00:18 GMT

#477

On January 15 2013 09:15 JJH777 wrote:

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It's impossible for a group with MVP to be overrated.

you have seen Mvp's play recently right? Keen's best mu is TvT iirc, MKP is hot as hell right now, and if Mvp cant take a map off Goswser, how will he come close to RorO?

It seems, Mvp has no chance, but then again, this is the GSL so i guess he does.