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Fanek
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland344 Posts
June 23 2012 09:29 GMT
#221
How many people watch last MLG Arena , 5000 ?

Sundance is a smart guy
hello
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
June 23 2012 09:32 GMT
#222
How come MLG haven't figured out yet that their audience is still their greatest draw? They ship in 20 koreans to make it a 2day GSL but it doesn't work because the games are not on the same level without preparation.
If they would spend less on players and casters and somehow made the audience happen... freemium would bring insane numbers which would translate into a great ppv event. Let's say every two would be a ppv event. They would swim in ca$h.

Nonetheless I am happy they make it free and everybody should be.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
June 23 2012 09:35 GMT
#223
"oh yeah that worked out so well that we'll stop doing it"

wait wut? i mean i'm happy of course but MLG's business decisions remain weird.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
RageBot
Profile Joined November 2010
Israel1530 Posts
June 23 2012 09:39 GMT
#224
Stay free MLG, stay free.
andropopp
Profile Joined June 2012
United States88 Posts
June 23 2012 09:41 GMT
#225
On June 23 2012 18:35 Schelim wrote:
"oh yeah that worked out so well that we'll stop doing it"

wait wut? i mean i'm happy of course but MLG's business decisions remain weird.


the sponser paying for the next arena's wants them to be free for higher viewer numbers viewing the sponsers

seems right to me
Masvidal
Profile Joined April 2012
Korea (South)213 Posts
June 23 2012 09:41 GMT
#226
Cool? Don't really care about anything MLG does until they start releasing replays again. Tournaments NEED TO RELEASE REPLAYS. Leagues like GSL can get away with not doing so because players know their opponents in advance, so they have a good excuse. MLG has no excuse for not releasing replays.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26077 Posts
June 23 2012 09:42 GMT
#227
niggaz gonna nig

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Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-23 09:44:44
June 23 2012 09:44 GMT
#228
they saw that DH and Assembly way was the right way. They're not going to admit it but that's what it feels like. Not enough paid viewers and whole lot of restreams, so going free was logical.
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
seekfried
Profile Joined February 2012
38 Posts
June 23 2012 09:47 GMT
#229
it'd be really interesting to know the numbers of arena-passes sold over the course of winter and spring seasons. I kinda wonder if it dropped significantly and thus they change their model anyways (despite the new sponsors, high sales of season passes, etc)
backdoor rocks
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
June 23 2012 09:47 GMT
#230
Sorry but this sounds all bullshit to me. Off course they make the arena's freemin, they only get 4k viewers on those arena's now and who's gonna put money as a sponsor in a expensive event like that only gets that amount of viewers?

Right and so one event turns the hole 'i get it' drama we had around? Cause we know the passes aren't doing that good and it's not that MLG is new or anything. They couldn't get that sponsor just 4 months earlier?

This explanation doesn't make any sense, well i guess it does from a 'we messed up' perceptive and we are now just talking out of our asses to make it sound good.
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
June 23 2012 09:49 GMT
#231
On June 23 2012 18:44 Noonius wrote:
they saw that DH and Assembly way was the right way. They're not going to admit it but that's what it feels like. Not enough paid viewers and whole lot of restreams, so going free was logical.

i have the strange feeling that mlg Arena did bring way more money in than DH.
Tendoi
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania62 Posts
June 23 2012 09:53 GMT
#232
Sundance is the greatest man in eSports.
I sleep more than koreans practice.
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-23 09:57:47
June 23 2012 09:55 GMT
#233
On June 23 2012 12:18 Weird wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 12:14 Boblhead wrote:
Sundance finally realizes that you can run a free stream and still remain profitable

>Literally took him fucking 2+ years to realize this?


YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY ANGRY POSTS ABOUT GOOD NEWS

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY SC2 COMMUNITY!!!


chuckle chuckle

I will be buying the gold pass again, stopped buying it before because I didn't agree with the decision but they've got me this time! : D

On June 23 2012 18:49 Hardigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 18:44 Noonius wrote:
they saw that DH and Assembly way was the right way. They're not going to admit it but that's what it feels like. Not enough paid viewers and whole lot of restreams, so going free was logical.

i have the strange feeling that mlg Arena did bring way more money in than DH.


Yes, they did better than they ever hoped (quoted on a SOTG) and that it really opened doors, hell if you think about it say a around 100 or so thousand watch periodically in a weekend if you just get 40% (they said they got around 30-50% of average viewbase) that's 20x40,000 : P 800,000/ Say they slim that down and only 20,000 people watched... 400,000 still a good chucnk of cash : P
FoTG fighting!
birchman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden393 Posts
June 23 2012 09:57 GMT
#234
Oh, awesome! More eSports to watch!
Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback.
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
June 23 2012 09:58 GMT
#235
On June 23 2012 18:49 Hardigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 18:44 Noonius wrote:
they saw that DH and Assembly way was the right way. They're not going to admit it but that's what it feels like. Not enough paid viewers and whole lot of restreams, so going free was logical.

i have the strange feeling that mlg Arena did bring way more money in than DH.


As long as you make profit and the growth of the audience is not limited in any way there is a much greater potential to grow the industry as well.
neurosx
Profile Joined August 2011
Luxembourg1096 Posts
June 23 2012 10:02 GMT
#236
On June 23 2012 18:29 Fanek wrote:
How many people watch last MLG Arena , 5000 ?

Sundance is a smart guy


And those 5000 people were probably more profitable than the 400k watching anahein for free with ads =)
You'll wish I'd never stooped to notice you.
Warzone
Profile Joined March 2012
United States31 Posts
June 23 2012 10:05 GMT
#237
Most of the arguments in this thread are laughable. If you paid any attention at all and understood how the world worked, you would see that because of the groundbreaking amount of viewers at the Spring Championships, yes the Championships, not the arenas, MLG was able to secure additional sponsor(s) to support their arenas. If you are supporting something it is in your interest to have the largest number of people viewing it possible, hence the removal of PPV. The sponsor subsidises MLG in return for their sacrifice, allowing the arrangment to benefit both sides, as well as benefit the viewer, you.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the the success/failure (Believe what you want, but they have publicly declared that the previous arenas were successes) of the Winter and Spring arenas. You have to understand that each business is run differently and on a different set of sponsors and a different sized budget with a different sized viewer base. For some tournaments freemium is practical, and for others it simply is not. MLG has gotten to the point where it now makes sense for them to offer their arenas for free because the benefits they receive from their sponsor are now more significant than the money they would receive from PPV.
slytown
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)1411 Posts
June 23 2012 10:05 GMT
#238
More sponsors. More content. Easy going Sundance. I think I'm going to pour myself a drink as well.
The best Flash meme ever: http://imgur.com/zquoK
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
June 23 2012 10:06 GMT
#239
pretty sweet
T H C makes ppl happy
StreetWise
Profile Joined January 2010
United States594 Posts
June 23 2012 10:09 GMT
#240
On June 23 2012 18:47 TheSir wrote:
Sorry but this sounds all bullshit to me. Off course they make the arena's freemin, they only get 4k viewers on those arena's now and who's gonna put money as a sponsor in a expensive event like that only gets that amount of viewers?

Right and so one event turns the hole 'i get it' drama we had around? Cause we know the passes aren't doing that good and it's not that MLG is new or anything. They couldn't get that sponsor just 4 months earlier?

This explanation doesn't make any sense, well i guess it does from a 'we messed up' perceptive and we are now just talking out of our asses to make it sound good.


Its free because they have a sponsor for it. The sponsor saw they had ~4-5k people willing to pay 20$ just to watch a small online tournament(meaning no spectators). Since the number of people out of a demographic willing to pay is usually just a small portion of an interested audience the sponsor figured at least ~50k would watch a free stream. I guess they were willing to pay more than 100,000$ to have that kind of exposure.
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