Since it seems to have gotten lost among all the other TSL drama going on:
I'm extremely sad to announce that Heart has also left the team, effective as of less than 48 hours ago. He had already expressed his discomfort with the team-house environment in general (much like Sheth when leaving FXO) and had been training from home over the last month.
Heart is currently a Free Agent and will be participating in the Hot6iX GSL Code A Round of 48.
UPDATE It appears Heart may not have left TSL afterall: According to This source Heart has not withdrawn from TSL.
I'm actually incredibly confused as well.
I had someone (won't name names) send me an e-mail he received from TSLHeart about how he left the team:
nowadays I and Alive leave TSL team but we have some problem. and it will be ok -TSL_Heart, Tuesday, January 17th, 2012
I did not release the information immediately, instead holding out to be confirmed elsewhere.
After seeing posts also claiming Heart had left TSL, I figured the secret was out HOWEVER;
I then heard from Coach Lee:
TSL_korea Your lastest post is not official announce TSL and Heart. Please considering about post.
A few more messages back and forth, and Coach Lee had to run, but did not confirm or deny Heart's departure.
Update For the record, this was finally confirmed when he played his Code A match the other day.
On January 19 2012 03:46 valaki wrote: So any notable players left in TSL?
Polt and HyuN still there.. But yeah, i think the problem lies within the coach or something in the house..like 10 players left since TSL was founded..can't be a coincidence -.-
TSL was far and away one of my favorite teams, and it seems that Mr. Lee is just falling apart emotionally right now . But this is all part of a plan where the BW bonjwa's will switch over in 24 hours and join TSL to make them rise to the top, well probably not, but one could hope. Mr. Lee if you somehow see this, hang in there, we are all rooting for TSL.
I would say TSL is done for, but I've said that multiple times already in the past. Seems like this team is immortal, don't expect them to win much of anything though..
Hopefully this is the last one who drops away from the team. TSL still have a impressive line up as of yet but I really can't see them doing well at all in the team league especially with the fact that they dont have any code S players
Well, it looks like TSL is about done for, the only notable players they have left now are Polt and Hyun I believe. I wonder if the players don't much care for how the management handles things(such as Coach Lee getting those Skype logs somehow)? Just pure speculation on my part though. Looks like TSL won't win GSTL lol
the most amazing thing is that this is still a good lineup O.o they'd be a dominating team if all of those players who left were still on it...i seriously wonder what is wrong with that house that's causing players to leave left and right
On January 19 2012 04:01 xi Tempest x wrote: TSL should be fine, i'm sure they can pick up someone like sangho to bolster the squad, hopefully anyway TT
hahaha This! It would definitely be killer if they could pick him up
I dont know what it is.. in an Artosis interview the Coach seemed friendly. He also accepted Major to train with the team.. But his public statements and reactions have been always terribly one-sided and simply wrong in some points.
Something behind the scenes must have scared them all away... sad
I'm asking myself why so many players want to leave TSL, every player gave a fairly good reason, but the malaise seems to be much deeper than that, and nobody wants let the cat out of the bag.
Am I wrong ? Because i read in many posts that the team isn't struggling in term of sponsors (unlike Prime for ex.), they give salaries, and basically money doesnt seems to be a major issue. (Or maybe players are too respectful/polite to just say something like "Coach Lee is a dick.")
Both Alive and Heart cite issues with the living conditions or team/manager interactions for their reasons for leaving. I think we can at least make an educated guess that something is up with TSL .
[B]On January 19 2012 03:42 VirgilSC2 wrote: [center]much like Sheth when leaving FXO/center]
How is Sheth leaving Korea after a couple of weeks anything like heart leaving TSL?
Was wondering that too. Please clarify.
We likely arn't going to know. Though if you look at the aLive interview, it appears coach Lee likes to watch their skype to make sure they arn't talking to people about leaving the team. We can only imagine how he was with a player from another team in the house, directly interacting with other his players.
On January 19 2012 03:44 Bagration wrote: Are there any teams interested in acquiring him right now?
I think the departure of aLive and heart might have been the death knell toTSL.
Don't act like a drama queen, TSL still has plenty of players and they just signed Hyun and Cyrano. There is no reason for TSL to disband.
People say the same about zenex, just because they lost most of their "star" players they think it's gonna disband. Please stop this bullshit.
Wow you have to relax... you are the only one really blowing anything out of proportion here with that incredibly defensive response. You don't know any better than them if players will continue to leave from TSL (which seems very likely with how things have been going)... or maybe you do, in which case please inform us.
On January 19 2012 04:15 shindigs wrote: Both Alive and Heart cite issues with the living conditions or team/manager interactions for their reasons for leaving. I think we can at least make an educated guess that something is up with TSL .
The way Coach Lee acts in public, I wouldn't be surprised if he is the reason for many players leaving.
On January 19 2012 04:15 shindigs wrote: Both Alive and Heart cite issues with the living conditions or team/manager interactions for their reasons for leaving. I think we can at least make an educated guess that something is up with TSL .
The way Coach Lee acts in public, I wouldn't be surprised if he is the reason for many players leaving.
Every Kor team is losing players left and right if you haven't noticed
What's happening to TSL? The coach was also the ex-coach for MBCGame in Hyungjoon becomes a progamer and he seemed really nice... but all these people leaving can't be coincidence.
On January 19 2012 04:15 shindigs wrote: Both Alive and Heart cite issues with the living conditions or team/manager interactions for their reasons for leaving. I think we can at least make an educated guess that something is up with TSL .
The way Coach Lee acts in public, I wouldn't be surprised if he is the reason for many players leaving.
Every Kor team is losing players left and right if you haven't noticed
TSL (don't need me to list them out), oGs (primarily MC), MVP (GuineaPig?), SlayerS (Sleep, Dragon, Golden), Prime (Check, HongUn, Maka, I'm forgetting someone else I feel) ...
ST seems to be doing relatively well though Trickster and Max went to the army, as is NsHS. Dunno about ZeNEX; they lost a lot a while back. FXO doing well too, though there was a transfer of sC to MVP?
All teams are losing some B class players it seems like, but TSL is losing more than any other, and not just B players. It can't just be coincidence. There has to be a reason for this, no?
On January 19 2012 03:46 valaki wrote: So any notable players left in TSL?
On January 19 2012 03:44 pStar wrote: Goodbye TSL
You were my favourite team
There has to be something else going on here, behind the scenes.
On January 19 2012 03:44 Bagration wrote: Are there any teams interested in acquiring him right now?
I think the departure of aLive and heart might have been the death knell toTSL.
Don't act like a drama queen, TSL still has plenty of players and they just signed Hyun and Cyrano. There is no reason for TSL to disband.
People say the same about zenex, just because they lost most of their "star" players they think it's gonna disband. Please stop this bullshit.
Wow you have to relax... you are the only one really blowing anything out of proportion here with that incredibly defensive response. You don't know any better than them if players will continue to leave from TSL (which seems very likely with how things have been going)... or maybe you do, in which case please inform us.
Im not blowing it out of proportion, i just gave my opinion about the whole "TSL is gonna disband" talk. Personally i think its unlikely that more players will just leave like this. If there really is something weird going on then and everyone leaves then yeah. Obviously it will disband.
However Revival has been on the team for a very long time and he hasn't left yet, TSL doesn't seem to have any problems with sponsors or money in general, and like i said they just signed 2 players.
I really doubt it that Coach Lee is an asshole, he used to be the MBC game hero coach and had the reputation of being really nice, in interviews he also seems to be a very nice guy.
I think the reason why some players are leaving is because Lee might be very strict with practice schedules, and that those players are just looking for teams that give a better salary.
Oh man, TSL losing players left and right.Seems like most of the guys leaving just weren't comfortable with the new practise regime. TSL should be fine. They have Polt and some up and coming players.
On January 19 2012 03:46 valaki wrote: So any notable players left in TSL?
On January 19 2012 03:44 pStar wrote: Goodbye TSL
You were my favourite team
There has to be something else going on here, behind the scenes.
On January 19 2012 03:44 Bagration wrote: Are there any teams interested in acquiring him right now?
I think the departure of aLive and heart might have been the death knell toTSL.
Don't act like a drama queen, TSL still has plenty of players and they just signed Hyun and Cyrano. There is no reason for TSL to disband.
People say the same about zenex, just because they lost most of their "star" players they think it's gonna disband. Please stop this bullshit.
Wow you have to relax... you are the only one really blowing anything out of proportion here with that incredibly defensive response. You don't know any better than them if players will continue to leave from TSL (which seems very likely with how things have been going)... or maybe you do, in which case please inform us.
Im not blowing it out of proportion, i just gave my opinion about the whole "TSL is gonna disband" talk. Personally i think its unlikely that more players will just leave like this. If there really is something weird going on then and everyone leaves then yeah. Obviously it will disband.
However Revival has been on the team for a very long time and he hasn't left yet, TSL doesn't seem to have any problems with sponsors or money in general, and like i said they just signed 2 players.
I really doubt it that Coach Lee is an asshole, he used to be the MBC game hero coach and had the reputation of being really nice, in interviews he also seems to be a very nice guy.
I think the reason why some players are leaving is because Lee might be very strict with practice schedules, and that those players are just looking for more money.
I doubt that is the reason. These players want to play, but there seems to be an issue with Coach Lee. He operated under Kespa previously and from my understanding of the leauge, a lot of these issues might never have come up since the legue rules were so strict. He might not be used to the idea that he has to work to keep his players, which is what you need to do. Nice or not, he seems to run to the media when he should just handle the matter in private.
And players looking for more money is a valid reason. If you arn't paying them well and they can make more someplace else, you better be offering them something they can't get elsewhere. If you can't and just want to rely on the contract to lock the player down for the rest of the term, don't be shocked if they want to break it early.
On January 19 2012 04:39 dubRa wrote: So TSL lost: Puma, Fruitdealer, Trickster, Rain, JYP, Alive and Heart over 6 months. Out of which 5 cases resulted in drama. Interesting.
>.< i hope for the sake of mamabear, that polt, revival, hyun, and the rest, do really well, and manage to prove that it's not TSL that's the problem, it's just people having differences with the practice regimen.
On January 19 2012 04:40 GreEny K wrote: Hyun is their best shot, give him time and make sure he stays happy with the team, he will pay off in the end.
You mean he will pay the contract termination fee.
Maybe they will pick up Major now. They could probably use the manpower. And from what I understand, he has been practicing in their house for a while now. Maybe I'm wrong and he left already though. If not, TSLMajOr. Calling it.
the reasoning was that he didn't like a team house environment and left a while ago, what's the big deal here? it's just a badly timed announcement given recent events.
On January 19 2012 04:42 MichaelDonovan wrote: Maybe they will pick up Major now. They could probably use the manpower. And from what I understand, he has been practicing in their house for a while now. Maybe I'm wrong and he left already though. If not, TSLMajOr. Calling it.
I'm pretty sure he's back in Mexico and joined CheckSix. Might be wrong, though.
TSL will be fine. They still have several good players and a couple of up and coming players.
Also, if that rumor about various A Team BW pros switching over is true, a lot of them are going to get on TSL because of Coach Lee and because there will certainly be room for them.
On January 19 2012 04:42 MichaelDonovan wrote: Maybe they will pick up Major now. They could probably use the manpower. And from what I understand, he has been practicing in their house for a while now. Maybe I'm wrong and he left already though. If not, TSLMajOr. Calling it.
I'm pretty sure he's back in Mexico and joined CheckSix. Might be wrong, though.
Oh yeah. Well, I'm sure he'll be open to team-hopping again.
On January 19 2012 04:42 MichaelDonovan wrote: Maybe they will pick up Major now. They could probably use the manpower. And from what I understand, he has been practicing in their house for a while now. Maybe I'm wrong and he left already though. If not, TSLMajOr. Calling it.
I'm pretty sure he's back in Mexico and joined CheckSix. Might be wrong, though.
As far as I'm aware this is correct. I know he is no longer staying in the TSL house, and it is fact that he has joined CheckSix.
It makes one wonder about the status in the TSL-house.
There are a fair few notable free agents out there, and with TSL still being surprisingly strong considering the losses they have suffered they could come back to be a beast.
TSL still has a decent lineup, but one has to wonder what the atmosphere at the house is like... it just seems like so many players have been dissatisfied with the team. You never hear about people leaving other teams like this.
Personally, I get the impression that Coach Lee is a little difficult to work with. Maybe it's something else though?
in other news, Coach Lee's blames Heart's conscience saying it interfered with the contract among TSL and Heart. Mr. Lee is quoted as saying, "I am considering possible legal action against Heart's conscience for interfering with my contract, and taking another valuable member from my team. Unfortunately, there were no foreign teams to blame this time, but I am still reading through Heart's skype and e-mail accounts to make sure. I will keep you posted."
On January 19 2012 04:50 dAPhREAk wrote: in other news, Coach Lee's blames Heart's conscience saying it interfered with the contract among TSL and Heart. Mr. Lee is quoted as saying, "I am considering possible legal action against Heart's conscience for interfering with my contract, and taking another valuable member from my team. Unfortunately, there were no foreign teams to blame this time, but I am still reading through Heart's skype and e-mail accounts to make sure. I will keep you posted."
erm, isn't that a little disturbing to anyone else?
On January 19 2012 04:50 dAPhREAk wrote: in other news, Coach Lee's blames Heart's conscience saying it interfered with the contract among TSL and Heart. Mr. Lee is quoted as saying, "I am considering possible legal action against Heart's conscience for interfering with my contract, and taking another valuable member from my team. Unfortunately, there were no foreign teams to blame this time, but I am still reading through Heart's skype and e-mail accounts to make sure. I will keep you posted."
erm, isn't that a little disturbing to anyone else?
this is why people who makes jokes of poor taste and fail to be funny should...stop making those jokes.
I wonder if it has to do with Coach Lee. He had to leave MBC Game because players were unhappy with him as a coach, and now several players are leaving his team. Can't say for sure obviously, but you have to wonder.
On January 19 2012 04:01 xi Tempest x wrote: TSL should be fine, i'm sure they can pick up someone like sangho to bolster the squad, hopefully anyway TT
hahaha This! It would definitely be killer if they could pick him up
What the heck? Killer is teamless BECAUSE he left TSL lol...why would he want to rejoin them?
On January 19 2012 04:40 GreEny K wrote: Hyun is their best shot, give him time and make sure he stays happy with the team, he will pay off in the end.
Shameless copy/paste from FXOBoSs Tumblr :
TSL.Hyun has shown how brood war gamers are disciplined enough to make something of starcraft 2. I am not going to go into the debate exactly, but I am a close friend with TSL coach Lee. I have been informed that Hyun practices up to 15 hours a day, and on the 15th hour he still has a smile on his face and enjoys himself. I don’t know any foreign gamer who does that, and I know very few korean gamers who do that, at least in starcraft 2
No doubt than that practice schedule, even a slightly lighter version is too much for a lot of players now. Btw Polt didn't left and stated that he wanted a really strict practice regime, it might be too strict for a lot of people.
On January 19 2012 04:50 dAPhREAk wrote: in other news, Coach Lee's blames Heart's conscience saying it interfered with the contract among TSL and Heart. Mr. Lee is quoted as saying, "I am considering possible legal action against Heart's conscience for interfering with my contract, and taking another valuable member from my team. Unfortunately, there were no foreign teams to blame this time, but I am still reading through Heart's skype and e-mail accounts to make sure. I will keep you posted."
erm, isn't that a little disturbing to anyone else?
He's not serious. He's joking about the whole aLive situation.
On January 19 2012 04:50 dAPhREAk wrote: in other news, Coach Lee's blames Heart's conscience saying it interfered with the contract among TSL and Heart. Mr. Lee is quoted as saying, "I am considering possible legal action against Heart's conscience for interfering with my contract, and taking another valuable member from my team. Unfortunately, there were no foreign teams to blame this time, but I am still reading through Heart's skype and e-mail accounts to make sure. I will keep you posted."
erm, isn't that a little disturbing to anyone else?
this is why people who makes jokes of poor taste and fail to be funny should...stop making those jokes.
On January 19 2012 04:50 dAPhREAk wrote: in other news, Coach Lee's blames Heart's conscience saying it interfered with the contract among TSL and Heart. Mr. Lee is quoted as saying, "I am considering possible legal action against Heart's conscience for interfering with my contract, and taking another valuable member from my team. Unfortunately, there were no foreign teams to blame this time, but I am still reading through Heart's skype and e-mail accounts to make sure. I will keep you posted."
erm, isn't that a little disturbing to anyone else?
this is why people who makes jokes of poor taste and fail to be funny should...stop making those jokes.
i amuse myself. your amusement is irrelevant. lol
don't post if you want to amaze yourself, if you don't know the internet is a public space, and TL a civlized space where bad taste isn't warmly welcome
I don't want to jump to conclusions, but this has to be extremely demoralizing for the rest of the TSL teammates. Either way it doesn't look good for TSL when you not only have players wanting to leave, but also involved in controversies with 2 other teams. Kinda makes you think how the team is run.......
On January 19 2012 05:06 JinXsc wrote: Wow i just get done reading about alive and his tell all interview......and now heart leaves lulz they are done sorry to say
TSL will continue to function as a team, don't worry about that.
On January 19 2012 04:50 dAPhREAk wrote: in other news, Coach Lee's blames Heart's conscience saying it interfered with the contract among TSL and Heart. Mr. Lee is quoted as saying, "I am considering possible legal action against Heart's conscience for interfering with my contract, and taking another valuable member from my team. Unfortunately, there were no foreign teams to blame this time, but I am still reading through Heart's skype and e-mail accounts to make sure. I will keep you posted."
erm, isn't that a little disturbing to anyone else?
this is why people who makes jokes of poor taste and fail to be funny should...stop making those jokes.
i amuse myself. your amusement is irrelevant. lol
don't post if you want to amaze yourself, if you don't know the internet is a public space, and TL a civlized space where bad taste isn't warmly welcome
Team SCV Death T_T. I hope that they pull through, I always thought they would be the ones to gobble up all the BW pros that come over without their teams. Hyun being the most recent. TSL_Jaedong would have made my life. Sigh...One can hope for the best for all people involved.
Seems like TSL is slowly falling apart, much like SixJax did, except this team had a team house. I believe that what they need to do is take some of coach Lee's powers away, tell him to take a step back and just let the team do as they see fit, with his coaching and not his stalking.
TSL.Hyun has shown how brood war gamers are disciplined enough to make something of starcraft 2. I am not going to go into the debate exactly, but I am a close friend with TSL coach Lee. I have been informed that Hyun practices up to 15 hours a day, and on the 15th hour he still has a smile on his face and enjoys himself. I don’t know any foreign gamer who does that, and I know very few korean gamers who do that, at least in starcraft 2
SaSe fits the bill! He tweeted this yesterday.
HelloSaSe Kim Hammar played for 12 hours or so but can't stop, this game is sooooooooooo fun! 17 Jan
On January 19 2012 04:50 dAPhREAk wrote: in other news, Coach Lee's blames Heart's conscience saying it interfered with the contract among TSL and Heart. Mr. Lee is quoted as saying, "I am considering possible legal action against Heart's conscience for interfering with my contract, and taking another valuable member from my team. Unfortunately, there were no foreign teams to blame this time, but I am still reading through Heart's skype and e-mail accounts to make sure. I will keep you posted."
erm, isn't that a little disturbing to anyone else?
...It's a joke.
This sucks D: I hate to see this happen to a team which had/has so much potential. What the hell is going on? Everyone seems to talk about how great coach Lee is, while at the same time members are dropping like flies. There's just too many people leaving all the time for it to just be coincedence, surely.
On January 19 2012 04:40 GreEny K wrote: Hyun is their best shot, give him time and make sure he stays happy with the team, he will pay off in the end.
TSL.Hyun has shown how brood war gamers are disciplined enough to make something of starcraft 2. I am not going to go into the debate exactly, but I am a close friend with TSL coach Lee. I have been informed that Hyun practices up to 15 hours a day, and on the 15th hour he still has a smile on his face and enjoys himself. I don’t know any foreign gamer who does that, and I know very few korean gamers who do that, at least in starcraft 2
No doubt than that practice schedule, even a slightly lighter version is too much for a lot of players now. Btw Polt didn't left and stated that he wanted a really strict practice regime, it might be too strict for a lot of people.
Thats why i think that TSL will make future SC2 champions . People who can't take it will naturally leave the team . It feels like MBC game in BW , except that here it looks like he doesn't profit enough from selling his players legaly. Well he gets fees for players terminating their contract so it's at least something .
On January 19 2012 04:50 dAPhREAk wrote: in other news, Coach Lee's blames Heart's conscience saying it interfered with the contract among TSL and Heart. Mr. Lee is quoted as saying, "I am considering possible legal action against Heart's conscience for interfering with my contract, and taking another valuable member from my team. Unfortunately, there were no foreign teams to blame this time, but I am still reading through Heart's skype and e-mail accounts to make sure. I will keep you posted."
erm, isn't that a little disturbing to anyone else?
this is why people who makes jokes of poor taste and fail to be funny should...stop making those jokes.
i amuse myself. your amusement is irrelevant. lol
don't post if you want to amaze yourself, if you don't know the internet is a public space, and TL a civlized space where bad taste isn't warmly welcome
wow. your post amused me as well. so, i am doubly amused now. thanks. =D
On January 19 2012 04:40 GreEny K wrote: Hyun is their best shot, give him time and make sure he stays happy with the team, he will pay off in the end.
Shameless copy/paste from FXOBoSs Tumblr :
TSL.Hyun has shown how brood war gamers are disciplined enough to make something of starcraft 2. I am not going to go into the debate exactly, but I am a close friend with TSL coach Lee. I have been informed that Hyun practices up to 15 hours a day, and on the 15th hour he still has a smile on his face and enjoys himself. I don’t know any foreign gamer who does that, and I know very few korean gamers who do that, at least in starcraft 2
No doubt than that practice schedule, even a slightly lighter version is too much for a lot of players now. Btw Polt didn't left and stated that he wanted a really strict practice regime, it might be too strict for a lot of people.
Thats why i think that TSL will make future SC2 champions . People who can't take it will naturally leave the team . It feels like MBC game in BW , except that here it looks like he doesn't profit enough from selling his players legaly. Well he gets fees for players terminating their contract so it's at least something .
If you read FXOBoSs posts on TL, he talked some days ago about A-teamer switch to sc2, possible that TSL gonna become really scary, because what Hyun did (Code A three months after picking the game) is just mindblowing. Hope Polt gonna profit from that intensive training.
Btw seems like a lot of player leaving TSL are looking for easy money from a foreigner team (SangHo :D)
On January 19 2012 03:44 Cocoba wrote: TSL is slowly falling apart Hopefully Heart finds a new team and TSL can find new players
don't like your second wish I think it would be for the best if TSL closed down and Coach Lee found a job in education or something. Maybe we can see a fresh team in the scene. Or a revival of ZeNEX.
I still have a lot of respect for Coach Lee, but obviously something must be pretty wrong in the team/team house if so many players have left. Not too sure what's up exactly, though the team must be thinking of going through major changes if they expect to rebound from all these issues that have happened in the last year. Polt is one of my favorite players, and I hope he is doing ok on the team still.
On January 19 2012 04:40 GreEny K wrote: Hyun is their best shot, give him time and make sure he stays happy with the team, he will pay off in the end.
Shameless copy/paste from FXOBoSs Tumblr :
TSL.Hyun has shown how brood war gamers are disciplined enough to make something of starcraft 2. I am not going to go into the debate exactly, but I am a close friend with TSL coach Lee. I have been informed that Hyun practices up to 15 hours a day, and on the 15th hour he still has a smile on his face and enjoys himself. I don’t know any foreign gamer who does that, and I know very few korean gamers who do that, at least in starcraft 2
No doubt than that practice schedule, even a slightly lighter version is too much for a lot of players now. Btw Polt didn't left and stated that he wanted a really strict practice regime, it might be too strict for a lot of people.
Thats why i think that TSL will make future SC2 champions . People who can't take it will naturally leave the team . It feels like MBC game in BW , except that here it looks like he doesn't profit enough from selling his players legaly. Well he gets fees for players terminating their contract so it's at least something .
If you read FXOBoSs posts on TL, he talked some days ago about A-teamer switch to sc2, possible that TSL gonna become really scary, because what Hyun did (Code A three months after picking the game) is just mindblowing. Hope Polt gonna profit from that intensive training.
Btw seems like a lot of player leaving TSL are looking for easy money from a foreigner team (SangHo :D)
This is absolutely true. A lot of those A teamers who are switching will surely go to TSL because of Coach Lee and the fact that there is so much open space in the team.
TSL is turning into a feeder team. But these koreans really need to lose their illusions of granduer. The grass is not much greener on this side of the world.
I'm curious how TSL would feel about bringing in foreign players to the team. It's a bit unclear how the process works right now, but I'm sure there would be plenty of good people interested if they actually did need to fill up their roster. I can't help but feel some uneasiness for TSL, however at the end of the day I can't see the team disbanding or anything of the sort.
On January 19 2012 05:40 HolydaKing wrote: I still believe in TSL.
I think their practise schedule is likely too harsh for many players, but it's normally what leads to success.
They're not a new team so that is hardly an excuse for what's going on over there.
Simply put, something is not being managed correctly or appropriately. Being a successful team requires good management, not just a strict practice regiment. Teams like IM, SlayerS, OGS, etc. may have a more lenient practice schedule but they've got success stories right?
I'm curious how TSL would feel about bringing in foreign players to the team. It's a bit unclear how the process works right now, but I'm sure there would be plenty of good people interested if they actually did need to fill up their roster. I can't help but feel some uneasiness for TSL, however at the end of the day I can't see the team disbanding or anything of the sort.
I'd love to see Juan with real korean training. It could be really great for him as a player and a person.
coach lee is such an awesome coach i wonder whats going on with their team?
edit, guess there was more going on then what i know, i just based my opinion off of hyungjoon becomes a progamer were he came off as super nice, and also tastosis consistent high remarks regarding coach lee
On January 19 2012 06:08 darkest44 wrote: Artosis is always saying that TSL "has the best coach". And so many players leave, weird.
Good coach =/= Good team. The players may not be able to cope with Coach Lee's no doubt intense training schedule, or they might feel like they want to practice from home, or any number of other things. I don't think the problem lies with TSL's coach.
Virgil you might add FXOBoSs' insight somewhere, I think it can add valuable information for everyone regarding all this speech with the direction of the team/teamhouse atmospher
On January 19 2012 06:11 sAsImre wrote: Virgil you might add FXOBoSs' insight somewhere, I think it can add valuable information for everyone regarding all this speech with the direction of the team/teamhouse atmospher
I'm a bit frazzled at the moment dealing with a lot of things, could you please point me in the direction of his comments?
On January 19 2012 06:14 Sliver wrote: Was the mystery Protoss revealed yet?
Although TSL looks bad now, it will get a lot better. They have the best SC2 coach in the business, Coach Lee has rebuilt a team from scratch before, and he can do it again. I would almost be surprised in TSL did not recover from this. Coach Lee fighting, TSL fighting.
This stuff only destroys TSL if the team sponsors think it makes them look bad or they think they can get better returns from somewhere else.
For my money, there's just too much unneeded drama around TSL. Coach Lee has shown that he can coach a player up, but that he also pushes them out after a relatively short period of time and doesn't seem to handle that situation well. I think this aLive controversy could easily be the one that pushes sponsors out the door. If I was a sponsor of TSL, I'd personally be looking into sponsoring other teams when my current contract runs out. There are a lot of solid Korean teams that produce good/great GSL/GSTL results without the controversy surrounding TSL.
TSL won't die tomorrow and it may even get some new life breathed into it with more BW players moving over, but BW pros aren't going to switch over so that they can play for free. If coach Lee can't handle the managerial/public relations portion of his job better, I don't think he'll have the money to entice BW players to switch over.
On January 19 2012 06:11 sAsImre wrote: Virgil you might add FXOBoSs' insight somewhere, I think it can add valuable information for everyone regarding all this speech with the direction of the team/teamhouse atmospher
I'm a bit frazzled at the moment dealing with a lot of things, could you please point me in the direction of his comments?
I was very disappointed that their acquisition didn't register as news, and it flew under the radar quite a bit.
"TSL.Hyun has shown how brood war gamers are disciplined enough to make something of starcraft 2. I am not going to go into the debate exactly, but I am a close friend with TSL coach Lee. I have been informed that Hyun practices up to 15 hours a day, and on the 15th hour he still has a smile on his face and enjoys himself. I don’t know any foreign gamer who does that, and I know very few korean gamers who do that, at least in starcraft 2. "
On January 19 2012 03:44 Cocoba wrote: TSL is slowly falling apart Hopefully Heart finds a new team and TSL can find new players
Not so slowly in my opinion. I clearly have no idea what is going on within this team but there must be some sort of structural problem with the coach or management. It's not a coincidence when half your roster decides to leave within 3 1/2 months.
I know Coach Lee holds a lot of respect in the Korean SC community but there must be a reason that he is the only coach who repeatedly declares that his players are being "poached". Like all of us, I don't have any real knowledge on what is happening with this team, but am curious to know.
On January 19 2012 03:44 Cocoba wrote: TSL is slowly falling apart Hopefully Heart finds a new team and TSL can find new players
Not so slowly in my opinion. I clearly have no idea what is going on within this team but there must be some sort of structural problem with the coach or management. It's not a coincidence when half your roster decides to leave within 3 1/2 months.
I know Coach Lee holds a lot of respect in the Korean SC community but there must be a reason that he is the only coach who repeatedly declares that his players are being "poached". Like all of us, I don't have any real knowledge on what is happening with this team, but am curious to know.
I think heart is more in the case of SangHo/Clide/JYP(Who left on good terms due to the change of practice regiment) more than drama. Just seems like this was annouced a month to late
On January 19 2012 03:44 Cocoba wrote: TSL is slowly falling apart Hopefully Heart finds a new team and TSL can find new players
Not so slowly in my opinion. I clearly have no idea what is going on within this team but there must be some sort of structural problem with the coach or management. It's not a coincidence when half your roster decides to leave within 3 1/2 months.
I know Coach Lee holds a lot of respect in the Korean SC community but there must be a reason that he is the only coach who repeatedly declares that his players are being "poached". Like all of us, I don't have any real knowledge on what is happening with this team, but am curious to know.
I think heart is more in the case of SangHo/Clide/JYP(Who left on good terms due to the change of practice regiment) more than drama. Just seems like this was annouced a month to late
Do you think that b/c the players you listed left on "good terms" means there is not a structural problem with the team? I was thinking why, as a whole, TSL is falling apart.
On January 19 2012 06:21 Laneir wrote: Poor TSL hope they get better luck
At what point does "luck" factor still a factor in this. I don't think they're getting unlucky, I think its something much more concrete. Given the recently released information, their management is questionable to say the least.
On January 19 2012 06:22 OnFiRe888 wrote: Although TSL looks bad now, it will get a lot better. They have the best SC2 coach in the business
Best?
It helps when you don't alienate your players.
Can someone please validate this for me? I've heard several time that Coach Lee is one of the best, but he hasn't produced any champions (Polt was not TSL at the time of his victory) besides Fruitdealer. And despite having the first SC2 champion, and the sponsorship dollars that came along with it, they have never commanded as nearly as much of a presence IM, oGs, or SlayerS.
Clearly TSL is crumpling. I want to know what's going on in TSL that's leading up to all these releases and such, eventually it will be known when there's no players left.
Wow this is insane. I wonder what it is like in the team house that all the TSL players are having issues with it. Either way it will be interesting to see if the other big names stay (Polt and those other guys) lol. I'm guessing they will, but this might lead to TSL collapsing
On January 19 2012 06:22 OnFiRe888 wrote: Although TSL looks bad now, it will get a lot better. They have the best SC2 coach in the business
Best?
It helps when you don't alienate your players.
Can someone please validate this for me? I've heard several time that Coach Lee is one of the best, but he hasn't produced any champions (Polt was not TSL at the time of his victory) besides Fruitdealer. And despite having the first SC2 champion, and the sponsorship dollars that came along with it, they have never commanded as nearly as much of a presence IM, oGs, or SlayerS.
Can we have a list of all former TSL players please? haha.
On January 19 2012 06:22 OnFiRe888 wrote: Although TSL looks bad now, it will get a lot better. They have the best SC2 coach in the business
Best?
It helps when you don't alienate your players.
Can someone please validate this for me? I've heard several time that Coach Lee is one of the best, but he hasn't produced any champions (Polt was not TSL at the time of his victory) besides Fruitdealer. And despite having the first SC2 champion, and the sponsorship dollars that came along with it, they have never commanded as nearly as much of a presence IM, oGs, or SlayerS.
Can we have a list of all former TSL players please? haha.
On January 19 2012 06:22 OnFiRe888 wrote: Although TSL looks bad now, it will get a lot better. They have the best SC2 coach in the business
Best?
It helps when you don't alienate your players.
Can someone please validate this for me? I've heard several time that Coach Lee is one of the best, but he hasn't produced any champions (Polt was not TSL at the time of his victory) besides Fruitdealer. And despite having the first SC2 champion, and the sponsorship dollars that came along with it, they have never commanded as nearly as much of a presence IM, oGs, or SlayerS.
Can we have a list of all former TSL players please? haha.
This is a great lineup...Wow. You get this idea that the team has now only crap players, but then you look at that lineup and you're just so surprised.
On January 19 2012 08:32 dsousa wrote: Terran/Princess/Major didn't stay with TSL long did he? Did he completely quit SC2 after 2 weeks there? I haven't heard from him since this.
You may just not be up to date on what name he's using now.
On January 19 2012 06:22 OnFiRe888 wrote: Although TSL looks bad now, it will get a lot better. They have the best SC2 coach in the business
Best?
It helps when you don't alienate your players.
Can someone please validate this for me? I've heard several time that Coach Lee is one of the best, but he hasn't produced any champions (Polt was not TSL at the time of his victory) besides Fruitdealer. And despite having the first SC2 champion, and the sponsorship dollars that came along with it, they have never commanded as nearly as much of a presence IM, oGs, or SlayerS.
Can we have a list of all former TSL players please? haha.
On January 19 2012 06:22 OnFiRe888 wrote: Although TSL looks bad now, it will get a lot better. They have the best SC2 coach in the business
Best?
It helps when you don't alienate your players.
Can someone please validate this for me? I've heard several time that Coach Lee is one of the best, but he hasn't produced any champions (Polt was not TSL at the time of his victory) besides Fruitdealer. And despite having the first SC2 champion, and the sponsorship dollars that came along with it, they have never commanded as nearly as much of a presence IM, oGs, or SlayerS.
Can we have a list of all former TSL players please? haha.
I just don't understand why people keep claiming he's the best / a great coach when he hasn't produced any top players and his team is continually hemorrhaging players. Where is all this Coach Lee love/hype coming from?
I'd blame Artosis but Coach Lee isn't a Protoss player.
This news sucks so many of the good players leaving TSL, although they still have a formidable roster (assuming the rest stay on). I feel bad for the team and Coach Lee to an extent (although the printing of Alive's Skype chat is strange).
On January 19 2012 06:22 OnFiRe888 wrote: Although TSL looks bad now, it will get a lot better. They have the best SC2 coach in the business
Best?
It helps when you don't alienate your players.
Can someone please validate this for me? I've heard several time that Coach Lee is one of the best, but he hasn't produced any champions (Polt was not TSL at the time of his victory) besides Fruitdealer. And despite having the first SC2 champion, and the sponsorship dollars that came along with it, they have never commanded as nearly as much of a presence IM, oGs, or SlayerS.
Can we have a list of all former TSL players please? haha.
maybe they're leaving because coach lee is a true BW coach.
Then why hasn't he produced any championship level players?
If his style is alienate so many of his players without producing results then I really don't see how he's the "best" coach at all.
Just looking at current and former rosters it seems to be a really deep lineup: Revival Polt Hyun Alive JYP Killer Clide Rain Puma Guineapig, all fairly noticeable names.
He doesn't seem to be an OZ coach who wants to focus on players one at a time.
On January 19 2012 08:46 TheButtonmen wrote: So he's a bad coach then?
I just don't understand why people keep claiming he's the best / a great coach when he hasn't produced any top players and his team is continually hemorrhaging players. Where is all this Coach Lee love/hype coming from?
I'd blame Artosis but Coach Lee isn't a Protoss player.
Evidence points to him being a bad manager and leader. As far as his coaching is concerned, there's nothing indicating that hes a bad coach and to his credit, TSL has always had notable players getting good results.
On January 19 2012 03:46 valaki wrote: So any notable players left in TSL?
TSL_Polt
But I'm really curious if there isn't anything else going on. I mean, so many players left TSL because the don't felt comfortable anymore.
yeah, and then lee allegedly goes thru private skype chat logs. sketch, he needs to account/answer for that before outsiders can analyze this situation any further
TSL will always find more players. Whether or not they will pan out is the question! I feel the team is much less attractive since top players such as Fruitdealer, Killer, Trickster, and Clide have all left.
Polt: Who? Ultimate: WIP? Revival: Solid Zerg, hasn't broken through yet. Shine: WIP? Symbol: I hear good things about this guy. Seems solid. HyuN: Fast-improving WIP. RagnoroK: WIP? Dream: ??? Cyrano: The new pick-up, WIP. Seems fairly solid from the few games I've seen from him.
Not as bad as it looks, but they're certainly lagging behind the other teams (minus ZeNEX).
On January 19 2012 04:01 xi Tempest x wrote: TSL should be fine, i'm sure they can pick up someone like sangho to bolster the squad, hopefully anyway TT
Killer used to be on TSL and then left with Fruitdealer, several months ago.
Polt: Who? Ultimate: WIP? Revival: Solid Zerg, hasn't broken through yet. Shine: WIP? Symbol: I hear good things about this guy. Seems solid. HyuN: Fast-improving WIP. RagnoroK: WIP? Dream: ??? Cyrano: The new pick-up, WIP. Seems fairly solid from the few games I've seen from him.
Not as bad as it looks, but they're certainly lagging behind the other teams (minus ZeNEX).
These players are quite the testament to how deep their lineup was, but really, these players don't compare to what TSL has lost in the past months. Maybe these guys will be cultivated into the next superstars but they certainly aren't there yet. Just in terms of in-house practice they must be hurting badly, let alone the loss of almost all of their recognizable names.
Been watching Heart stream for a while and really like his play. Hope he finds a good team but I'm sure he will!
Man WTAF is going on with Coach Lee? Does he like stand above a bank of 8 PC's set up in a LAN cracking a bullwhip for 20 hours while the players practice? I am kinda getting tired of so much TSL drama yet nobody is willing to come out and say specifically "what" is so bad about the TSL house and Coach Lee's way of running it. I get that nobody wants to appear to be badmouthing or trashtalking behind the teams back and they all want to maintain professionalism, but I think this has gone too far and I doubt I'm the only one that wants at least a tiny bit of insight into what's going on behind the scenes at TSL.
On January 19 2012 08:46 TheButtonmen wrote: So he's a bad coach then?
I just don't understand why people keep claiming he's the best / a great coach when he hasn't produced any top players and his team is continually hemorrhaging players. Where is all this Coach Lee love/hype coming from?
I'd blame Artosis but Coach Lee isn't a Protoss player.
Actually, the hype does come from Artosis lol! Artosis has said he's the best coach/manager multiple times and people probably parrot that. He just said it recently again on his stream when I was watching. Artosis is a bit bias to his friends, BW nostalgia and stuff though... Hard to argue he's the best coach/manager if players don't want to stay on his team.
On January 19 2012 08:46 TheButtonmen wrote: So he's a bad coach then?
I just don't understand why people keep claiming he's the best / a great coach when he hasn't produced any top players and his team is continually hemorrhaging players. Where is all this Coach Lee love/hype coming from?
I'd blame Artosis but Coach Lee isn't a Protoss player.
Actually, the hype does come from Artosis lol! Artosis has said he's the best coach/manager multiple times and people probably parrot that. He just said it recently again on his stream when I was watching. Artosis is a bit bias to his friends, BW nostalgia and stuff though... Hard to argue he's the best coach/manager if players don't want to stay on his team.
Eh but the Skype chat thing I can understand where coach lee is coming from, because some companies monitor their employee's computers to check for productivity. Coach Lee probably had that software installed in all the computers, it's not just used for spying on chats, it's used to check if they actually played game/ pirate stuff/ watch porn etc, probably was in the contract.
apparently heart didn't leave the team. he'll be in the entry for the GSTL. he just left the team house and is practicing at home but is still part of the team.
On January 19 2012 04:01 xi Tempest x wrote: TSL should be fine, i'm sure they can pick up someone like sangho to bolster the squad, hopefully anyway TT
Killer used to be on TSL and then left with Fruitdealer, several months ago.
Umm, it was Tester who left with Fruitdealer - many months ago.
Killer left with JYP and Clide transferred to SlayerS several months ago.
Poor TSL though, but you have to wonder what is making all these players leave. It seems that TSL is slowly falling apart, I can imagine Polt leaving soon.
apparently heart didn't leave the team. he'll be in the entry for the GSTL. he just left the team house and is practicing at home but is still part of the team.
apparently heart didn't leave the team. he'll be in the entry for the GSTL. he just left the team house and is practicing at home but is still part of the team.
Wow Huge team still. Interesting that Dream is on their team... thought Dream was initially MVP?
To all the haters: TSL will continue to be an elite team, spawning many bot-type solid players. aaaaaaaand Coach Lee will always have a heartbreak once every 2 months because someone he trained up leaves him for greener pastures.
Wow Huge team still. Interesting that Dream is on their team... thought Dream was initially MVP?
To all the haters: TSL will continue to be an elite team, spawning many bot-type solid players. aaaaaaaand Coach Lee will always have a heartbreak once every 2 months because someone he trained up leaves him for greener pastures.
apparently heart didn't leave the team. he'll be in the entry for the GSTL. he just left the team house and is practicing at home but is still part of the team.
LOL
I wonder if this post was generated from google translate or something, this is fucking hilarious.
apparently heart didn't leave the team. he'll be in the entry for the GSTL. he just left the team house and is practicing at home but is still part of the team.
apparently heart didn't leave the team. he'll be in the entry for the GSTL. he just left the team house and is practicing at home but is still part of the team.
LOL
I wonder if this post was generated from google translate or something, this is fucking hilarious.
Virgil what's the deal yo?
its insider information, cant disclose the source.
apparently heart didn't leave the team. he'll be in the entry for the GSTL. he just left the team house and is practicing at home but is still part of the team.
LOL
I wonder if this post was generated from google translate or something, this is fucking hilarious.
Virgil what's the deal yo?
I'm actually incredibly confused as well.
I had someone (won't name names) send me an e-mail he received from TSLHeart about how he left the team:
nowadays I and Alive leave TSL team but we have some problem. and it will be ok -TSL_Heart, Tuesday, January 17th, 2012
I did not release the information immediately, instead holding out to be confirmed elsewhere.
After seeing posts also claiming Heart had left TSL, I figured the secret was out HOWEVER;
I then heard from Coach Lee:
TSL_korea Your lastest post is not official announce TSL and Heart. Please considering about post.
A few more messages back and forth, and Coach Lee had to run, but did not confirm or deny Heart's departure.
apparently heart didn't leave the team. he'll be in the entry for the GSTL. he just left the team house and is practicing at home but is still part of the team.
LOL
I wonder if this post was generated from google translate or something, this is fucking hilarious.
Virgil what's the deal yo?
I'm actually incredibly confused as well.
I had someone (won't name names) send me an e-mail he received from TSLHeart about how he left the team:
Hmm interesting development. If heart stays he could really make a name for himself in the team leagues. That might be his chance to break out into the Korean scene and be more of a mainstream player.
On January 19 2012 16:40 nGBeast wrote: This is what happens when you post something for a team you don't work for.
Happens all the time though.. with just about every team.
On January 19 2012 16:53 Korinai wrote: Dude... what the fuck happens inside of that house? After the 50th thread announcing another player leaving TSL, I stopped getting surprised.
well, considering a coach of one team tried to molest one of the players... use your imagination
On January 19 2012 16:53 Korinai wrote: Dude... what the fuck happens inside of that house? After the 50th thread announcing another player leaving TSL, I stopped getting surprised.
well, considering a coach of one team tried to molest one of the players... use your imagination
Oh Werra. If that happened now with a major team, thousands of pages.
On January 19 2012 04:01 xi Tempest x wrote: TSL should be fine, i'm sure they can pick up someone like sangho to bolster the squad, hopefully anyway TT
hahaha This! It would definitely be killer if they could pick him up
What the heck? Killer is teamless BECAUSE he left TSL lol...why would he want to rejoin them?
*facepalm* it was a joke son... hence why i linked his name.
i think the problem with TSL is probably sponsorship ( $$$ ) so they cant afford to have so many high paid players..
Having a house with 15 guys and paying salaries and expenses is not cheap , off course low and mid tier players will have more difficulties getting well paid because the real money in on wins .
On January 19 2012 22:28 tapk69 wrote: i think the problem with TSL is probably sponsorship ( $$$ ) so they cant afford to have so many high paid players..
Having a house with 15 guys and paying salaries and expenses is not cheap , off course low and mid tier players will have more difficulties getting well paid because the real money in on wins .
On January 19 2012 22:28 tapk69 wrote: i think the problem with TSL is probably sponsorship ( $$$ ) so they cant afford to have so many high paid players..
Having a house with 15 guys and paying salaries and expenses is not cheap , off course low and mid tier players will have more difficulties getting well paid because the real money in on wins .
No, TSL is one of the 'richer' teams. Money is not an issue at all.
On January 19 2012 22:28 tapk69 wrote: i think the problem with TSL is probably sponsorship ( $$$ ) so they cant afford to have so many high paid players..
Having a house with 15 guys and paying salaries and expenses is not cheap , off course low and mid tier players will have more difficulties getting well paid because the real money in on wins .
TSL is one of the richest teams in Korea. Sponsorship is not the problem at all...
On January 19 2012 22:28 tapk69 wrote: i think the problem with TSL is probably sponsorship ( $$$ ) so they cant afford to have so many high paid players..
Having a house with 15 guys and paying salaries and expenses is not cheap , off course low and mid tier players will have more difficulties getting well paid because the real money in on wins .
Check out the thread named "Pot calling the kettle black." I think it'll help you to understand a bit more what is going on behind the scenes.
Heart is not on the TSL roster for their match against RGN for the IPTL, so he might have actually left now? I'm a tad bit confused tbh, if someone could clear that up that'd be amazing. :D
On January 25 2012 06:59 wattabeast wrote: Heart is not on the TSL roster for their match against RGN for the IPTL, so he might have actually left now? I'm a tad bit confused tbh, if someone could clear that up that'd be amazing. :D
Heart is still on TSL roster on gomtv (http://www.gomtv.net/records/playerInfo.gom?playerid=23570&option=view) and last news I heard are that he only left the team house because he didn't like to live in one.
On January 19 2012 17:14 Lysanias wrote: Well something fishy is going on in that team, players seem just not wanne practice inhouse. Coach Lee are you going a little mental on us ?
I believe it to be more about the practice schedule. Coach Lee is an ex BW assistant coach and therefore is very strict about practice. A lot of these players are not used to the kind of dedication that he has come to expect from ALL players.
What the hell is going on in the TSL house? Every couple of weeks another player seems to be leaving, really sad to see a team disintegrate like this. Any information on whether or not TSL will be dissolved?
On February 11 2012 14:04 SC2NeCro wrote: Fire the coach or whoever is responsible. The team can't be this irresponsible and keep letting their players go. Come on!
Poor TSL =( I hope they manage to pull something together and get some good wins to attract and keep players...It seems like players are all leaving because of something in the team house environment that must be different to the other teams houses? I just don't get why players seem to be leaving tsl so much as opposed to on other teams?
On February 11 2012 14:13 Sylfyre wrote: Poor TSL =( I hope they manage to pull something together and get some good wins to attract and keep players...It seems like players are all leaving because of something in the team house environment that must be different to the other teams houses? I just don't get why players seem to be leaving tsl so much as opposed to on other teams?
Did you miss the whole controversy? I'm honestly glad that TSL isn't doing well after all of it, and while I'm not a fan of ZeNEX I would rather see a team like them who (as far as I know) doesn't have such a bad reputation.
On February 11 2012 14:21 ePLocust wrote: It's official, TSL is dying. The team no longer has any heart to keep fighting for survival.
TSL is dying and has no "RevivaL" they have one "Dream" but no "Polt" no one player who can "Shine" with no direction they have no "Ultimate" goal and its the "Symbol" of the teams death and they all should switch to "RagnaroK"
On February 11 2012 14:21 ePLocust wrote: It's official, TSL is dying. The team no longer has any heart to keep fighting for survival.
TSL is dying and has no "RevivaL" they have one "Dream" but no "Polt" no one player who can "Shine" with no direction they have no "Ultimate" goal and its the "Symbol" of the teams death and they all should switch to "RagnaroK"
damn i am good
I am disappoint you need to only use players who have left TSL
On February 11 2012 14:21 ePLocust wrote: It's official, TSL is dying. The team no longer has any heart to keep fighting for survival.
TSL is dying and has no "RevivaL" they have one "Dream" but no "Polt" no one player who can "Shine" with no direction they have no "Ultimate" goal and its the "Symbol" of the teams death and they all should switch to "RagnaroK"
damn i am good
dang dude- impressive. Well I really like that Coach Lee is trying to get his players to have a strict practice schedule-but w.e
EPT![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8nLGL.png)
Heart has also left the team, effective as of less than 48 hours ago. He had already expressed his discomfort with the team-house environment in general (much like Sheth when leaving FXO) and had been training from home over the last month.![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/b/bb/TSL_Heart.jpg)
Dream ■ 
