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On September 05 2011 03:32 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 03:29 pbjsandwich wrote:On September 05 2011 03:27 dmnum wrote:On September 05 2011 03:19 Slider954 wrote:On September 05 2011 03:14 eNtitY~ wrote:On September 05 2011 02:51 ReignFayth wrote:On September 05 2011 02:51 BandonBanshee wrote:
What is the MLG incident Major was talking about? the trash talk or whatever. he said fuck you outloud to WBC after losing to him I believe And BM'd him in game after he lost when he offensively GG'd earlier. And slammed his headset down after losing to Trimaster and broke his keyboard, AND BM'ed Cruncher by refusing to shake his hand after their match in Anaheim.... oh wait that was Idra and yet nobody seems to take him to task for it. In fact the majority of comments I saw were, "LOL That's just Idra being Idra, its all good" Reminds of Manny Ramirez when people would say that's just Manny being Manny. After awhile that wore thin and it became that's just Manny being....um an ass. Not gonna say that idra is mature and that he can do anything, but while he is more often than not disrespectful towards opponents, he seems to have a very strong friendship with his teammates and some other players(and he also seems very loyal to his team). Major on the other hand doesn't seem to get along with anyone, and when it looks like the pattern is going to change, he leaves sixjax and instead of doing the smart thing(parting ways on good terms), he gets involved in a drama. And while a drama every once in a while is good to bring excitement to the scene, 90% of the last "transfers" have been a shitstorm.  so you're basing your opinions on him on your own personal speculation of his relationship with everyone? You don't know how he gets along with his teammates We know he leaves teams left and right. That sort of disloyalty doesn't speak highly for his relationship with teammates. It's inference. I could give two shits about his BM. I actually like BM within reason. What makes me dislike him is his clan hopping antics. Wonder which team will foolishly take a chance next?
leaves teams left and right?
pretty sure he only left ROOT and there is a long ass list of people who left root.
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seems like major really really wanted to go to Korea and sixjax never came threw
oh well im al for foreign players joining KR teams go Fenix/Major!!!!
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On September 05 2011 03:29 pbjsandwich wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 03:27 dmnum wrote:On September 05 2011 03:19 Slider954 wrote:On September 05 2011 03:14 eNtitY~ wrote:On September 05 2011 02:51 ReignFayth wrote:On September 05 2011 02:51 BandonBanshee wrote:
What is the MLG incident Major was talking about? the trash talk or whatever. he said fuck you outloud to WBC after losing to him I believe And BM'd him in game after he lost when he offensively GG'd earlier. And slammed his headset down after losing to Trimaster and broke his keyboard, AND BM'ed Cruncher by refusing to shake his hand after their match in Anaheim.... oh wait that was Idra and yet nobody seems to take him to task for it. In fact the majority of comments I saw were, "LOL That's just Idra being Idra, its all good" Reminds of Manny Ramirez when people would say that's just Manny being Manny. After awhile that wore thin and it became that's just Manny being....um an ass. Not gonna say that idra is mature and that he can do anything, but while he is more often than not disrespectful towards opponents, he seems to have a very strong friendship with his teammates and some other players(and he also seems very loyal to his team). Major on the other hand doesn't seem to get along with anyone, and when it looks like the pattern is going to change, he leaves sixjax and instead of doing the smart thing(parting ways on good terms), he gets involved in a drama. And while a drama every once in a while is good to bring excitement to the scene, 90% of the last "transfers" have been a shitstorm. so you're basing your opinions on him on your own personal speculation of his relationship with everyone? You don't know how he gets along with his teammates
Okay, let me rephrase: Major can't get his ass on a team for a decent time. This sixjax thing I can't say, they promised to take him to korea and didn't, and he left for that reason, which to me, is the right thing to do. And that's why I said "seems", because at the same time idra "seems" to be on good terms with his teammates, he may be not, and while major "seems" to be somekind of a loner, he can be a very nice guy when you get to know him.
It's not about him leaving sixjax because they didn't send him to korea, is about him being involved in a drama every time he switches teams.(AKA not being able EVER to parton good terms and always getting every once in a while in somekind of drama where he's wrong[again, I'm not talking about the sixjax leave]).
On September 05 2011 03:31 Liudo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 03:27 dmnum wrote:On September 05 2011 03:19 Slider954 wrote:On September 05 2011 03:14 eNtitY~ wrote:On September 05 2011 02:51 ReignFayth wrote:On September 05 2011 02:51 BandonBanshee wrote:
What is the MLG incident Major was talking about? the trash talk or whatever. he said fuck you outloud to WBC after losing to him I believe And BM'd him in game after he lost when he offensively GG'd earlier. And slammed his headset down after losing to Trimaster and broke his keyboard, AND BM'ed Cruncher by refusing to shake his hand after their match in Anaheim.... oh wait that was Idra and yet nobody seems to take him to task for it. In fact the majority of comments I saw were, "LOL That's just Idra being Idra, its all good" Reminds of Manny Ramirez when people would say that's just Manny being Manny. After awhile that wore thin and it became that's just Manny being....um an ass. Not gonna say that idra is mature and that he can do anything, but while he is more often than not disrespectful towards opponents, he seems to have a very strong friendship with his teammates and some other players(and he also seems very loyal to his team). Major on the other hand doesn't seem to get along with anyone, and when it looks like the pattern is going to change, he leaves sixjax and instead of doing the smart thing(parting ways on good terms), he gets involved in a drama. And while a drama every once in a while is good to bring excitement to the scene, 90% of the last "transfers" have been a shitstorm. To be fair, you can't compare a team like EG with a team like sixjax. And from what I have seen MajOr gets on very well with a lot of players, including several on EG. Yeah, I forgot to explain that this time he has a very good point for leaving. The part about him not getting along with anyone I explained above.
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Well who didn't see that one coming?
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This is so depressing, particularly if you think about how he probably would have been in Korea by now if he had just behaved himself and possibly if he had remained on ROOT to later be acquired by Complexity.
Honestly, his behavior is no worse than a player like IdrA so it's a shame that IdrA gets a free pass on all his bad manner but oh well.
It's a shame because you see players like this whose bad behavior is massively detrimental to their success and you see players like IdrA who are successful because of their bad manner. Then there are players like Naniwa, who get their shit together and become hugely successful.
Oh, and where is Naniwa right now? It's really just an obvious case of poor judgement in Juan's part, not in regards to the Sixjax scenario but in regards to his team jumping and attitude in general.
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On September 05 2011 03:34 pbjsandwich wrote:
pretty sure he only left ROOT and there is a long ass list of people who left root.
Terran/Princess/Kitty has a long infamous reputation from BW just by pure clan hopping. Was discussed when he left ROOT and when he joined sixjax.
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It was expected. And his attitude, come on, just cuz your team wasn't able to send you to Korea you start doubting them?
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On September 05 2011 03:36 Mordiford wrote:
This is so depressing, particularly if you think about how he probably would have been in Korea by now if he had just behaved himself and possibly if he had remained on ROOT to later be acquired by Complexity.
Honestly, his behavior is no worse than a player like IdrA so it's a shame that IdrA gets a free pass on all his bad manner but oh well.
It's a shame because you see players like this whose bad behavior is massively detrimental to their success and you see players like IdrA who are successful because of their bad manner. Then there are players like Naniwa, who get their shit together and become hugely successful.
Oh, and where is Naniwa right now? It's really just an obvious case of poor judgement in Juan's part, not in regards to the Sixjax scenario but in regards to his team jumping and attitude in general.
IdrA violated his contract multiple times and tried to smurf in a SEA only tournament then bitched at the organizers when he was found out?
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On September 05 2011 03:34 pbjsandwich wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 03:32 IPA wrote:On September 05 2011 03:29 pbjsandwich wrote:On September 05 2011 03:27 dmnum wrote:On September 05 2011 03:19 Slider954 wrote:On September 05 2011 03:14 eNtitY~ wrote:On September 05 2011 02:51 ReignFayth wrote:On September 05 2011 02:51 BandonBanshee wrote:
What is the MLG incident Major was talking about? the trash talk or whatever. he said fuck you outloud to WBC after losing to him I believe And BM'd him in game after he lost when he offensively GG'd earlier. And slammed his headset down after losing to Trimaster and broke his keyboard, AND BM'ed Cruncher by refusing to shake his hand after their match in Anaheim.... oh wait that was Idra and yet nobody seems to take him to task for it. In fact the majority of comments I saw were, "LOL That's just Idra being Idra, its all good" Reminds of Manny Ramirez when people would say that's just Manny being Manny. After awhile that wore thin and it became that's just Manny being....um an ass. Not gonna say that idra is mature and that he can do anything, but while he is more often than not disrespectful towards opponents, he seems to have a very strong friendship with his teammates and some other players(and he also seems very loyal to his team). Major on the other hand doesn't seem to get along with anyone, and when it looks like the pattern is going to change, he leaves sixjax and instead of doing the smart thing(parting ways on good terms), he gets involved in a drama. And while a drama every once in a while is good to bring excitement to the scene, 90% of the last "transfers" have been a shitstorm. so you're basing your opinions on him on your own personal speculation of his relationship with everyone? You don't know how he gets along with his teammates We know he leaves teams left and right. That sort of disloyalty doesn't speak highly for his relationship with teammates. It's inference. I could give two shits about his BM. I actually like BM within reason. What makes me dislike him is his clan hopping antics. Wonder which team will foolishly take a chance next? leaves teams left and right? pretty sure he only left ROOT and there is a long ass list of people who left root.
I guess youre new here.
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On September 05 2011 03:19 Slider954 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 03:14 eNtitY~ wrote:On September 05 2011 02:51 ReignFayth wrote:On September 05 2011 02:51 BandonBanshee wrote:
What is the MLG incident Major was talking about? the trash talk or whatever. he said fuck you outloud to WBC after losing to him I believe And BM'd him in game after he lost when he offensively GG'd earlier. And slammed his headset down after losing to Trimaster and broke his keyboard, AND BM'ed Cruncher by refusing to shake his hand after their match in Anaheim.... oh wait that was Idra and yet nobody seems to take him to task for it. In fact the majority of comments I saw were, "LOL That's just Idra being Idra, its all good" So why does Idra get a pass for that, hell some people even say SC2 needs players like that, yet Major is vilified for it. Reminds of Manny Ramirez when people would say that's just Manny being Manny. After awhile that wore thin and it became that's just Manny being....um an ass. Wonder how close Idra is to reaching that stage.
Idra doesn't get kicked off teams every month. Idra doesn't try to cheat his way into a tourney. Idra doesn't publicly call out his sponsors when they don't do what he wants.
I'm not as big a fan of Idra as I once was, but there is OBVIOUSLY something different with Major where he can't follow rules or listen to anyone. You couple that with being BM, it's a whole different beast than Idra.
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On September 05 2011 03:39 Deltablazy wrote:
It was expected. And his attitude, come on, just cuz your team wasn't able to send you to Korea you start doubting them?
After you are told multiple times that you are going to go and then it not happening, on top of not even being sent to MLG events? Yeah I would start doubting them too.
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On September 05 2011 03:39 Pocketsocks wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 03:34 pbjsandwich wrote:
pretty sure he only left ROOT and there is a long ass list of people who left root. Terran/Princess/Kitty has a long infamous reputation from BW just by pure clan hopping. Was discussed when he left ROOT and when he joined sixjax.
yeah let's judge the actions of a 16 year old in the NA BW scene that wasn't as professional as this
I'm sorry but Major is getting mroe attention for the minor drama he's caused than his talent. He hasn't done much wrong and when he has he's apologized for it. What more do you want?
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honestly
if you guys think that Major has done anything warranting 30+ pages of people saying "good riddance" then that's fucking awful.
How about we focus on the game rather than the drama?
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On September 05 2011 02:23 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
I dislike major as much as the next person, but I don't really think he should be badgered about this decision. He is a very good player, one of the best. He has laid out his goals in front of him, and made them apparent to the teams he joins. If they agree to helping him fulfill his goals, and don't follow through with it, then I feel like he has the right to pursue other teams. Juan deserves to go to korea, he is, in my opinion, one of the few NON-KOREAN foreigners who could actually last a real long time there. He has the work ethic and the motivation to keep up with korean practice hours, and even now he has the skill to compete at their level.
I think his stint with sixjax should actually bring his reputation up a bit in everyone's books. You're all kinda harassing him just because of who he is, but if a Terran on his level, say DeMusliM for example, stopped getting support from his sponsors, he would most likely want to leave too right? No one would be upset with that. Top class players deserve top class support, that's what Major is after.
Why are so many people acting like it was his decision to leave? That is just his story so he doesnt look as bad for being kicked out out of his SECOND TEAM this year. he was thrown out of root and now sixjax Honestly sixjax did themself a favor if i was them I would have thrown him out IMMEDIATLY after he tried to defraud the hosts of that SEA tourney.Who knows how many other tourneys he defrauded by smurphing. He has shown 0 class as a sc2 player. He is a player with alot of talent But honestly isnt worth the risk to a teams reputation anymore. Hopefully no top teams waste there time on him just to become the third team to throw him out.
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On September 05 2011 03:40 Drium wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 03:36 Mordiford wrote:
This is so depressing, particularly if you think about how he probably would have been in Korea by now if he had just behaved himself and possibly if he had remained on ROOT to later be acquired by Complexity.
Honestly, his behavior is no worse than a player like IdrA so it's a shame that IdrA gets a free pass on all his bad manner but oh well.
It's a shame because you see players like this whose bad behavior is massively detrimental to their success and you see players like IdrA who are successful because of their bad manner. Then there are players like Naniwa, who get their shit together and become hugely successful.
Oh, and where is Naniwa right now? It's really just an obvious case of poor judgement in Juan's part, not in regards to the Sixjax scenario but in regards to his team jumping and attitude in general. IdrA violated his contract multiple times and tried to smurf in a SEA only tournament then bitched at the organizers when he was found out?
Did I say he did?
He's done other shit and been extremely bad mannered on numerous occasions. Also notice the distinction I draw between bad manner and bad behavior, though neither should get you popular. I'm not saying they're equally bad, but it's two extreme responses to some of the same behavior.
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On September 05 2011 03:36 Mordiford wrote:
This is so depressing, particularly if you think about how he probably would have been in Korea by now if he had just behaved himself and possibly if he had remained on ROOT to later be acquired by Complexity.
Honestly, his behavior is no worse than a player like IdrA so it's a shame that IdrA gets a free pass on all his bad manner but oh well.
It's a shame because you see players like this whose bad behavior is massively detrimental to their success and you see players like IdrA who are successful because of their bad manner. Then there are players like Naniwa, who get their shit together and become hugely successful.
Oh, and where is Naniwa right now? It's really just an obvious case of poor judgement in Juan's part, not in regards to the Sixjax scenario but in regards to his team jumping and attitude in general.
bad manner is not the same level as bad behaviour...
I don't recall idra doing anything as bad as smurfing in tournament, then came an apology that didn't really sound like one and then got busted by the same person who lent him the account for lying in that apology.
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Glad to see a team that was and is going nowhere release a player with potential. Best of luck Juan.
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On September 05 2011 03:44 Modeath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 02:23 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
I dislike major as much as the next person, but I don't really think he should be badgered about this decision. He is a very good player, one of the best. He has laid out his goals in front of him, and made them apparent to the teams he joins. If they agree to helping him fulfill his goals, and don't follow through with it, then I feel like he has the right to pursue other teams. Juan deserves to go to korea, he is, in my opinion, one of the few NON-KOREAN foreigners who could actually last a real long time there. He has the work ethic and the motivation to keep up with korean practice hours, and even now he has the skill to compete at their level.
I think his stint with sixjax should actually bring his reputation up a bit in everyone's books. You're all kinda harassing him just because of who he is, but if a Terran on his level, say DeMusliM for example, stopped getting support from his sponsors, he would most likely want to leave too right? No one would be upset with that. Top class players deserve top class support, that's what Major is after. Why are so many people acting like it was his decision to leave? That is just his story so he doesnt look as bad for being kicked out out of his SECOND TEAM this year. he was thrown out of root and now sixjax Honestly sixjax did themself a favor if i was them I would have thrown him out IMMEDIATLY after he tried to defraud the hosts of that SEA tourney.Who knows how many other tourneys he defrauded by smurphing. He has shown 0 class as a sc2 player. He is a player with alot of talent But honestly isnt worth the risk to a teams reputation anymore. Hopefully no top teams waste there time on him just to become the third team to throw him out.
LOL
So you just want to speculate rather than base your opinion of ffacts? Major said he left. There's evidence showing that major wanted to leave before this announcement. If sixjax did kick him out they would've said so. Instead he was just released because he asked for it.
People are so quick to hate on this guy. I just don't get it
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On September 05 2011 03:32 EricCartman wrote:
Maj0r needs a no nonsense team. A team that is super awesome but will put him in place when necessary. Juan needs to be humbled and humiliated. Maj0r was probably the best player on SJG. He needs to join a team where he is considered second class.
The more he gets asswhooped by teammates, the more humble he should get (i hope). Its either that or he will cry and join another team lolz
when he joined root we were mopping the floor with him, it didn't humble him really :D
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Seems that alot of people are holding the ONE incident with the SEA tourney against Major like it's some kind of scarlet letter, while no matter what Idra does it can't compare.
And when I say 'one incident' I'm referring to the type. Cause everything else he's done is just BM just like Idra.
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