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[MLG] PainUser's Player Interviews

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sycknesS
Profile Joined April 2009
United States83 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 13:52:12
June 05 2011 00:20 GMT
#1
PainUser has done a few quick player interview at MLG Columbus. They are focused on specific games, and how the players felt they played/what they did right.

//Warning// These interviews contain spoilers about day 1 games:

Wave 1:
EGIdrA
dNaniwa
ROOTDrewbie

Wave 2:

sixjax.Major

Final wave of interviews:

LiquidRet
FXOSheth
dSeleCT
dSeleCT's swagger~
Spades

We hope you enjoy the interviews!
GhostFall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States830 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 04:10:05
June 05 2011 04:08 GMT
#2
hmmmm

e.syckness
exi.syckness

It's one of those.

edit - oooh and its painuser as well
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
June 05 2011 04:12 GMT
#3
Hm... these are pretty good interviews... I don't know why no one is commenting..

Anyways, can you get him to ask Terran players what they are doing on maps such as TDA in TvZ? How comfortable they fell, etc, and also about the Infestor in TvZ. If you mean questions about their play in MLG, then I've got no idea.
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46239 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 04:14:25
June 05 2011 04:13 GMT
#4
Thanks for the interviews!

He did another short one with IdrA where they were standing too o.O Will that be posted? (I only remember because it was right before I met IdrA ^^)
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
merlin101
Profile Joined July 2010
Switzerland194 Posts
June 05 2011 04:16 GMT
#5
"Solid dude..." - "That was really good!"
Really nice interviews thanks..
ckunkel1
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States181 Posts
June 05 2011 04:24 GMT
#6
Nice interviews. Idra my favorite to win too. He is playing so solid
ScaSully
Profile Joined April 2011
United States488 Posts
June 05 2011 04:35 GMT
#7
he needs to do sixjaxs.Major interview. Topics... proxy mules every game that he wins, dancing marines, being a hater, LOL
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46239 Posts
June 05 2011 04:37 GMT
#8
On June 05 2011 13:35 Drazzyo wrote:
he needs to do sixjaxs.Major interview. Topics... proxy mules every game that he wins, dancing marines, being a hater, LOL


After one of Major's interviews on stage, he walked right out of his shoe lol
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
June 05 2011 04:40 GMT
#9
Very nice!
sycknesS
Profile Joined April 2009
United States83 Posts
June 05 2011 05:05 GMT
#10
On June 05 2011 13:08 GhostFall wrote:
hmmmm

e.syckness
exi.syckness

It's one of those.

edit - oooh and its painuser as well


Yes, me PainUser and Nadagast too all played on Exigent back in the days of NS.

Also, Major has surprised many with his performance here, hopefully Taylor will be able to grab an interview with him before it is over.
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
June 05 2011 05:33 GMT
#11
How come PainUser is at MLG, but not playing? I'm assuming he think he's not in shape to compete yet?
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
June 05 2011 05:49 GMT
#12
On June 05 2011 14:33 zoLo wrote:
How come PainUser is at MLG, but not playing? I'm assuming he think he's not in shape to compete yet?

He's not going to compete anymore. He has a job 40 hours a week, so he doesn't have enough time to play competitively.
Chipbot
Profile Joined April 2010
United States14 Posts
June 05 2011 05:53 GMT
#13
Love the interviews! Thanks.
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
June 05 2011 06:06 GMT
#14
I enjoyed the interviews. Better style, less awkward in the questions and answers.
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
sashamunguia
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico423 Posts
June 05 2011 06:18 GMT
#15
pretty good interviews, especially with Naniwa, he made him speak !
"only the need for meaning changes how you feel about what you see" "he who is not courageous enough to take risks will accomplish nothing in life" "being a Rebel is as stupid as to be completely Obedient"
AndreiDaGiant
Profile Joined October 2010
United States394 Posts
June 05 2011 06:33 GMT
#16
really nice interviews good job painuser!!!
Terran Metal for the Win
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
June 05 2011 06:34 GMT
#17
On June 05 2011 14:33 zoLo wrote:
How come PainUser is at MLG, but not playing? I'm assuming he think he's not in shape to compete yet?


he works for IGN now
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
June 05 2011 09:35 GMT
#18
I like hearing the players thoughts on their games. I'm not a big fan of Painuser but I enjoyed those interviews.
I might be the minority on TL, but TL is the minority everywhere else.
Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
June 06 2011 04:27 GMT
#19
On June 05 2011 13:08 GhostFall wrote:
hmmmm

e.syckness
exi.syckness

It's one of those.

edit - oooh and its painuser as well

or even pandemic syckness
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 04:35:08
June 06 2011 04:34 GMT
#20
So, someone should do a counter-interview and ask if Painuser plans to show up for next week's NASL games plz. At the very least it would give his opponent a confirmation so that the poor Koreans don't have to wake up at 3am and sit in front of their computer waiting an hour for a no show.
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
June 06 2011 04:34 GMT
#21
Painuser really owes the community an explanation after today's NASL...

...and it'd better be damn good dude because that was some royal fuck up there buddy
in a state of trance
VenerableSpace
Profile Joined May 2010
United States463 Posts
June 06 2011 04:36 GMT
#22
On June 06 2011 13:34 nokz88 wrote:
Painuser really owes the community an explanation after today's NASL...

...and it'd better be damn good dude because that was some royal fuck up there buddy

SlayerSBriefS
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States37 Posts
June 06 2011 04:37 GMT
#23
hey painuser so hows that NASL going for you?
PeachTea
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 04:37:40
June 06 2011 04:37 GMT
#24
What happened? If he didn't show up im pretty sure its cause hes done playing competitively for awhile, as he said on inside the game. If something else happened please enlighten me.
Nexic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States729 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 04:59:11
June 06 2011 04:37 GMT
#25
Nice interview with major

EDIT: Didn't watch the stream so I didn't realize there was a no-show / boxer forced to wait for hours issue. Too bad, assumed there was a more transparent communication with nasl.

Oh about NASL, on djwheat's show taylor said he now has a fulltime job with IGN and that NASL won't let him reschedule his matches to be outside of work hours.

Seems pretty reasonable to me, don't see why he would "owe" anyone anything. Its pretty obv he hasnt had the time to play/prepare anyway.
PeachTea
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States149 Posts
June 06 2011 04:44 GMT
#26
Thanx Nexic. You guys need to calm down... trying to call out people on a thread where hes giving us awesome content. Awesome interviews keep'em comin Painuser!
Sharuko
Profile Joined June 2011
United States15 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 04:47:11
June 06 2011 04:46 GMT
#27
On June 06 2011 13:34 nokz88 wrote:
Painuser really owes the community an explanation after today's NASL...

...and it'd better be damn good dude because that was some royal fuck up there buddy


Making players like Boxer get up at like 4am and being a no show is definitely inexcusable. When you go into a tournament you know all the details before hand and agree to it. He should just tell the NASL he wants to pullout and be done with it instead of beating around the bush.
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Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
June 06 2011 04:47 GMT
#28
Congrats on your failure to notify the NASL that you wouldn't being participating, and having Slayers Boxer wait around for hours after waking up at 3 in the morning. Stay classy!
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
June 06 2011 04:48 GMT
#29
On June 06 2011 13:37 Nexic wrote:
Nice interview with major

Oh about NASL, on djwheat's show taylor said he now has a fulltime job with IGN and that NASL won't let him reschedule his matches to be outside of work hours.

Seems pretty reasonable to me, don't see why he would "owe" anyone anything. Its pretty obv he hasnt had the time to play/prepare anyway.

He didn't confirm with NASL that he is no show. So NASL was forced to make Boxer wake up at 3am, and sit there and wait until the waiting grace period is over. Boxer got upset about it as well and rightfully so.
RmoteCntrld
Profile Joined June 2010
United States596 Posts
June 06 2011 04:50 GMT
#30
On June 06 2011 13:34 Fubi wrote:
So, someone should do a counter-interview and ask if Painuser plans to show up for next week's NASL games plz. At the very least it would give his opponent a confirmation so that the poor Koreans don't have to wake up at 3am and sit in front of their computer waiting an hour for a no show.


Its pretty easy to tell the Koreans that PainUser has basically withdrawn from NASL so they don't have to wake up.
Nevy
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada169 Posts
June 06 2011 04:53 GMT
#31
On June 06 2011 13:50 RmoteCntrld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 13:34 Fubi wrote:
So, someone should do a counter-interview and ask if Painuser plans to show up for next week's NASL games plz. At the very least it would give his opponent a confirmation so that the poor Koreans don't have to wake up at 3am and sit in front of their computer waiting an hour for a no show.


Its pretty easy to tell the Koreans that PainUser has basically withdrawn from NASL so they don't have to wake up.


Except from what it seems like, Painuser apparently said nothing about withdrawing from the NASL. Herein lies the issue.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
June 06 2011 04:53 GMT
#32
On June 06 2011 13:48 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 13:37 Nexic wrote:
Nice interview with major

Oh about NASL, on djwheat's show taylor said he now has a fulltime job with IGN and that NASL won't let him reschedule his matches to be outside of work hours.

Seems pretty reasonable to me, don't see why he would "owe" anyone anything. Its pretty obv he hasnt had the time to play/prepare anyway.

He didn't confirm with NASL that he is no show. So NASL was forced to make Boxer wake up at 3am, and sit there and wait until the waiting grace period is over. Boxer got upset about it as well and rightfully so.


I really thought he would play Boxer because he spoke so highly of the guy, and that is quite the experience of a lifetime... to play an actual competitive game against Boxer, but not only did he pass on it (his choice) but he made Boxer wake up and wait... that's just disrespectful.
Nexic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States729 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 04:55:27
June 06 2011 04:54 GMT
#33
Hm... didn't see the stream but if no one was notified indeed that is unfortunate.
spybreak
Profile Joined October 2010
United States684 Posts
June 06 2011 04:54 GMT
#34
On June 06 2011 13:37 Nexic wrote:
Nice interview with major

Oh about NASL, on djwheat's show taylor said he now has a fulltime job with IGN and that NASL won't let him reschedule his matches to be outside of work hours.

Seems pretty reasonable to me, don't see why he would "owe" anyone anything. Its pretty obv he hasnt had the time to play/prepare anyway.


In the real world, not burning bridges and maintaining professionalism goes a long way. Of course some people go overboard with "OMG crucify him!" but I don't see how hard it is to pick up the phone or hell even text NASL that you are not going to show up anymore as to not waste everyones time. NASL mentioned they have tried to contact him and those that know him to find out what's going on yet no response from him ( at least from tonight's NASL show).
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
June 06 2011 04:54 GMT
#35
On June 06 2011 13:50 RmoteCntrld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 13:34 Fubi wrote:
So, someone should do a counter-interview and ask if Painuser plans to show up for next week's NASL games plz. At the very least it would give his opponent a confirmation so that the poor Koreans don't have to wake up at 3am and sit in front of their computer waiting an hour for a no show.


Its pretty easy to tell the Koreans that PainUser has basically withdrawn from NASL so they don't have to wake up.

NASL can't make that decision for PainUser. PainUser has to communicate it to them. --Ok, you're bowing out. That sucks, but at least we can notify your opponents.-- Instead, he doesn't communicate at all so his opponents still have to show in case he decides to play. You can't speak for someone unless they have communicated what they want said.
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Damaskinos
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany139 Posts
June 06 2011 04:55 GMT
#36
I am tempted to watch the interviews, but after what he done to Boxer today, not showing up for his match with him and let him wait, I will refrain from it.
"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." Matthew 7:6
RmoteCntrld
Profile Joined June 2010
United States596 Posts
June 06 2011 04:56 GMT
#37
On June 06 2011 13:54 Devolved wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 13:50 RmoteCntrld wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:34 Fubi wrote:
So, someone should do a counter-interview and ask if Painuser plans to show up for next week's NASL games plz. At the very least it would give his opponent a confirmation so that the poor Koreans don't have to wake up at 3am and sit in front of their computer waiting an hour for a no show.


Its pretty easy to tell the Koreans that PainUser has basically withdrawn from NASL so they don't have to wake up.

NASL can't make that decision for PainUser. PainUser has to communicate it to them. --Ok, you're bowing out. That sucks, but at least we can notify your opponents.-- Instead, he doesn't communicate at all so his opponents still have to show in case he decides to play. You can't speak for someone unless they have communicated what they want said.


How do you know he hasn't told them he's done playing? He basically announced it on inside the game.
SolonTLG
Profile Joined November 2010
United States299 Posts
June 06 2011 04:59 GMT
#38
On June 06 2011 13:55 Damaskinos wrote:
I am tempted to watch the interviews, but after what he done to Boxer today, not showing up for his match with him and let him wait, I will refrain from it.


Unfortunately, I watched the Idra interview before I read the rest of the thread... but I won't watch anymore! You reap what you sow, PainUser!
The Law Giver
Sharuko
Profile Joined June 2011
United States15 Posts
June 06 2011 05:01 GMT
#39
On June 06 2011 13:56 RmoteCntrld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 13:54 Devolved wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:50 RmoteCntrld wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:34 Fubi wrote:
So, someone should do a counter-interview and ask if Painuser plans to show up for next week's NASL games plz. At the very least it would give his opponent a confirmation so that the poor Koreans don't have to wake up at 3am and sit in front of their computer waiting an hour for a no show.


Its pretty easy to tell the Koreans that PainUser has basically withdrawn from NASL so they don't have to wake up.

NASL can't make that decision for PainUser. PainUser has to communicate it to them. --Ok, you're bowing out. That sucks, but at least we can notify your opponents.-- Instead, he doesn't communicate at all so his opponents still have to show in case he decides to play. You can't speak for someone unless they have communicated what they want said.


How do you know he hasn't told them he's done playing? He basically announced it on inside the game.


Because they said they have not been able to contact PainUser on the NASL cast. He has been a no-show 3 weeks.
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spybreak
Profile Joined October 2010
United States684 Posts
June 06 2011 05:02 GMT
#40
On June 06 2011 13:56 RmoteCntrld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 13:54 Devolved wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:50 RmoteCntrld wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:34 Fubi wrote:
So, someone should do a counter-interview and ask if Painuser plans to show up for next week's NASL games plz. At the very least it would give his opponent a confirmation so that the poor Koreans don't have to wake up at 3am and sit in front of their computer waiting an hour for a no show.


Its pretty easy to tell the Koreans that PainUser has basically withdrawn from NASL so they don't have to wake up.

NASL can't make that decision for PainUser. PainUser has to communicate it to them. --Ok, you're bowing out. That sucks, but at least we can notify your opponents.-- Instead, he doesn't communicate at all so his opponents still have to show in case he decides to play. You can't speak for someone unless they have communicated what they want said.


How do you know he hasn't told them he's done playing? He basically announced it on inside the game.


Because maybe NASL still hasn't received an official word from him after trying to contact him for weeks? Hence the Incontrol rant which was understandable.
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
June 06 2011 05:05 GMT
#41
On June 06 2011 13:56 RmoteCntrld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 13:54 Devolved wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:50 RmoteCntrld wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:34 Fubi wrote:
So, someone should do a counter-interview and ask if Painuser plans to show up for next week's NASL games plz. At the very least it would give his opponent a confirmation so that the poor Koreans don't have to wake up at 3am and sit in front of their computer waiting an hour for a no show.


Its pretty easy to tell the Koreans that PainUser has basically withdrawn from NASL so they don't have to wake up.

NASL can't make that decision for PainUser. PainUser has to communicate it to them. --Ok, you're bowing out. That sucks, but at least we can notify your opponents.-- Instead, he doesn't communicate at all so his opponents still have to show in case he decides to play. You can't speak for someone unless they have communicated what they want said.


How do you know he hasn't told them he's done playing? He basically announced it on inside the game.

Incontrol mentioned on the NASL stream that this was his third no-show in a row. NASL has tried to contact him through e-mail, phone, friends of friends, etc... and PainUser has not responded for over 3 weeks. He's basically dodging the responsibilities that he signed up for when he joined the league and doesn't have the decency to admit it. In not admitting it, he has caused even more problems for the NASL league as a whole, and more specifically, for his opponents who could be doing other things with than time than waiting around for a no-show.
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PeachTea
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States149 Posts
June 06 2011 05:06 GMT
#42
Really guys..... Whitera did almost the same thing to i think strelok but you dont see a " whitera were mad thread anywhere." Lighten up, shit happens. You guys are just taking this a bit too seriously. Sure it sucks a lot but nothing to justify making a hate thread of painuser because he did it to boxer. If your gonna do this then make one about whitera too. If you're not willing to do that then please... leave it be.. stop hating on the guy.. jeezus
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
June 06 2011 05:06 GMT
#43
You guys are bunch of clueless teenagers.. sigh

According to Incontrol, Painuser:

1. Did not show up for 3 (THREE) straight weeks
2. Has not communicated the nasl about his no-shows
3. Has ignored all attempts in nasl's part to get on hold of him (calls, e-mails, RL people)

Tell me, what kind of professional environment allows for such atrocities? You guys saying it's no big deal, again I tell you, I dare you pull these off without being fined/sued/fired on the spot. This is completely unacceptable no matter what your job is.

If you still think that's no big deal, I dare you to get a job.
in a state of trance
Sharuko
Profile Joined June 2011
United States15 Posts
June 06 2011 05:08 GMT
#44
On June 06 2011 14:06 PeachTea wrote:
Really guys..... Whitera did almost the same thing to i think strelok but you dont see a " whitera were mad thread anywhere." Lighten up, shit happens. You guys are just taking this a bit too seriously. Sure it sucks a lot but nothing to justify making a hate thread of painuser because he did it to boxer. If your gonna do this then make one about whitera too. If you're not willing to do that then please... leave it be.. stop hating on the guy.. jeezus


3 no-shows is different than one bro.
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Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
June 06 2011 05:10 GMT
#45
On June 06 2011 14:06 PeachTea wrote:
Really guys..... Whitera did almost the same thing to i think strelok but you dont see a " whitera were mad thread anywhere." Lighten up, shit happens. You guys are just taking this a bit too seriously. Sure it sucks a lot but nothing to justify making a hate thread of painuser because he did it to boxer. If your gonna do this then make one about whitera too. If you're not willing to do that then please... leave it be.. stop hating on the guy.. jeezus

There is a difference between shit randomly happening once in a blue moon and totally being unproffesional about it times after time.
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
June 06 2011 05:10 GMT
#46
On June 06 2011 14:08 Sharuko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 14:06 PeachTea wrote:
Really guys..... Whitera did almost the same thing to i think strelok but you dont see a " whitera were mad thread anywhere." Lighten up, shit happens. You guys are just taking this a bit too seriously. Sure it sucks a lot but nothing to justify making a hate thread of painuser because he did it to boxer. If your gonna do this then make one about whitera too. If you're not willing to do that then please... leave it be.. stop hating on the guy.. jeezus


3 no-shows is different than one bro.

I think he's had 4 total. 3 in a row. And no word.
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Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
June 06 2011 05:10 GMT
#47
On June 06 2011 14:08 Sharuko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 14:06 PeachTea wrote:
Really guys..... Whitera did almost the same thing to i think strelok but you dont see a " whitera were mad thread anywhere." Lighten up, shit happens. You guys are just taking this a bit too seriously. Sure it sucks a lot but nothing to justify making a hate thread of painuser because he did it to boxer. If your gonna do this then make one about whitera too. If you're not willing to do that then please... leave it be.. stop hating on the guy.. jeezus


3 no-shows is different than one bro.


It's also different when WhiteRa intends on continuing to compete, and isn't withdrawing but not admitting to it.

Honestly I don't think this whole thing is a big deal though, but like I said earlier I think it is just disrespectful to the league and to the players he has had wait for him when he knew he wouldn't show up.
YunhOLee
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Canada2470 Posts
June 06 2011 05:12 GMT
#48
On June 06 2011 14:06 PeachTea wrote:
Really guys..... Whitera did almost the same thing to i think strelok but you dont see a " whitera were mad thread anywhere."


There's a huge difference between doing this to someone like strelok or boxer.
Live it, love it, play it, kill it. JulyZerg and IPXZerg greatest TL.net fan
Sc1pio
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States823 Posts
June 06 2011 05:13 GMT
#49
According to incontrol, NASL has tried to contact PU in nearly every concievable way (BNet messages, phone, contacting friends to get ahold of him), to no avail for every single week. Pretty unacceptable, especially since koreans are waking up at 3 AM and waiting for hours to play him.
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Phaded
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia579 Posts
June 06 2011 05:14 GMT
#50
3 weeks no show no contact, time to DQ him I would say
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Qiang1446
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States92 Posts
June 06 2011 05:22 GMT
#51
lol, love how you retards turned this thread into a painuser flame fest - atleast make a new thread about it and talk about it somewhere else instead of flaming him in a thread where he's giving us interviews
uSnAmplified
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1029 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 05:39:00
June 06 2011 05:34 GMT
#52
Great interviews, you know the ones the thread was made for? Not for a bunch of people who dont know him to try and crucify him over the internet. He obviously has pulled out of NASL, buts it none of our business and should be kept between two parties. Just because NASL makes it public doesn't mean it should be, they should have had stricter rules on the issue in the first place to prevent people from dipping out after they have obviously already been eliminated.


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On June 06 2011 14:06 nokz88 wrote:
You guys are bunch of clueless teenagers.. sigh

According to Incontrol, Painuser:

1. Did not show up for 3 (THREE) straight weeks
2. Has not communicated the nasl about his no-shows
3. Has ignored all attempts in nasl's part to get on hold of him (calls, e-mails, RL people)

Tell me, what kind of professional environment allows for such atrocities? You guys saying it's no big deal, again I tell you, I dare you pull these off without being fined/sued/fired on the spot. This is completely unacceptable no matter what your job is.

If you still think that's no big deal, I dare you to get a job
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bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
June 06 2011 05:38 GMT
#53
On June 06 2011 14:05 Devolved wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 13:56 RmoteCntrld wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:54 Devolved wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:50 RmoteCntrld wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:34 Fubi wrote:
So, someone should do a counter-interview and ask if Painuser plans to show up for next week's NASL games plz. At the very least it would give his opponent a confirmation so that the poor Koreans don't have to wake up at 3am and sit in front of their computer waiting an hour for a no show.


Its pretty easy to tell the Koreans that PainUser has basically withdrawn from NASL so they don't have to wake up.

NASL can't make that decision for PainUser. PainUser has to communicate it to them. --Ok, you're bowing out. That sucks, but at least we can notify your opponents.-- Instead, he doesn't communicate at all so his opponents still have to show in case he decides to play. You can't speak for someone unless they have communicated what they want said.


How do you know he hasn't told them he's done playing? He basically announced it on inside the game.

Incontrol mentioned on the NASL stream that this was his third no-show in a row. NASL has tried to contact him through e-mail, phone, friends of friends, etc... and PainUser has not responded for over 3 weeks. He's basically dodging the responsibilities that he signed up for when he joined the league and doesn't have the decency to admit it. In not admitting it, he has caused even more problems for the NASL league as a whole, and more specifically, for his opponents who could be doing other things with than time than waiting around for a no-show.


Incontrol spoke with Painuser on the DJwheat show last week, so how could this statement be possibly true. The same show where Painuser said he couldn't reschedule nasl games/retiring from gaming? Come on, biased thread is biased.
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Phaded
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia579 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 05:48:28
June 06 2011 05:47 GMT
#54
On June 06 2011 14:38 bennyaus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 14:05 Devolved wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:56 RmoteCntrld wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:54 Devolved wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:50 RmoteCntrld wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:34 Fubi wrote:
So, someone should do a counter-interview and ask if Painuser plans to show up for next week's NASL games plz. At the very least it would give his opponent a confirmation so that the poor Koreans don't have to wake up at 3am and sit in front of their computer waiting an hour for a no show.


Its pretty easy to tell the Koreans that PainUser has basically withdrawn from NASL so they don't have to wake up.

NASL can't make that decision for PainUser. PainUser has to communicate it to them. --Ok, you're bowing out. That sucks, but at least we can notify your opponents.-- Instead, he doesn't communicate at all so his opponents still have to show in case he decides to play. You can't speak for someone unless they have communicated what they want said.


How do you know he hasn't told them he's done playing? He basically announced it on inside the game.

Incontrol mentioned on the NASL stream that this was his third no-show in a row. NASL has tried to contact him through e-mail, phone, friends of friends, etc... and PainUser has not responded for over 3 weeks. He's basically dodging the responsibilities that he signed up for when he joined the league and doesn't have the decency to admit it. In not admitting it, he has caused even more problems for the NASL league as a whole, and more specifically, for his opponents who could be doing other things with than time than waiting around for a no-show.


Incontrol spoke with Painuser on the DJwheat show last week, so how could this statement be possibly true. The same show where Painuser said he couldn't reschedule nasl games/retiring from gaming? Come on, biased thread is biased.


You make it out like Incontrol does the scheduling and running of NASL. Its not JP/Day9/Wheat's responsibility to contact players to show up for MLG, why should it be Incontrol's responsibility when it comes to NASL? The best Incontrol can do is tell the NASL higher ups that Painuser is being a flake and thinking of quitting, you should get an official statement from him as to whether or not to continue.
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MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
June 06 2011 05:50 GMT
#55
Nice interview with Juan!
bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
June 06 2011 05:52 GMT
#56
On June 06 2011 14:47 Phaded wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 14:38 bennyaus wrote:
On June 06 2011 14:05 Devolved wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:56 RmoteCntrld wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:54 Devolved wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:50 RmoteCntrld wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:34 Fubi wrote:
So, someone should do a counter-interview and ask if Painuser plans to show up for next week's NASL games plz. At the very least it would give his opponent a confirmation so that the poor Koreans don't have to wake up at 3am and sit in front of their computer waiting an hour for a no show.


Its pretty easy to tell the Koreans that PainUser has basically withdrawn from NASL so they don't have to wake up.

NASL can't make that decision for PainUser. PainUser has to communicate it to them. --Ok, you're bowing out. That sucks, but at least we can notify your opponents.-- Instead, he doesn't communicate at all so his opponents still have to show in case he decides to play. You can't speak for someone unless they have communicated what they want said.


How do you know he hasn't told them he's done playing? He basically announced it on inside the game.

Incontrol mentioned on the NASL stream that this was his third no-show in a row. NASL has tried to contact him through e-mail, phone, friends of friends, etc... and PainUser has not responded for over 3 weeks. He's basically dodging the responsibilities that he signed up for when he joined the league and doesn't have the decency to admit it. In not admitting it, he has caused even more problems for the NASL league as a whole, and more specifically, for his opponents who could be doing other things with than time than waiting around for a no-show.


Incontrol spoke with Painuser on the DJwheat show last week, so how could this statement be possibly true. The same show where Painuser said he couldn't reschedule nasl games/retiring from gaming? Come on, biased thread is biased.


You make it out like Incontrol does the scheduling and running of NASL. Its not JP/Day9/Wheat's responsibility to contact players to show up for MLG, why should it be Incontrol's responsibility when it comes to NASL? The best Incontrol can do is tell the NASL higher ups that Painuser is being a flake and thinking of quitting, you should get an official statement from him as to whether or not to continue.


Dude, when Sheth didn't show up to MLG's last year it got spoken about constantly on Wheat and JPs talk shows. Bad example

Seriously though, if IdrA said to JP on SOTG that he isn't going to turn up to MLG, I'm pretty sure JP would follow it up.
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Phaded
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia579 Posts
June 06 2011 05:58 GMT
#57
On June 06 2011 14:52 bennyaus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 14:47 Phaded wrote:
On June 06 2011 14:38 bennyaus wrote:
On June 06 2011 14:05 Devolved wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:56 RmoteCntrld wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:54 Devolved wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:50 RmoteCntrld wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:34 Fubi wrote:
So, someone should do a counter-interview and ask if Painuser plans to show up for next week's NASL games plz. At the very least it would give his opponent a confirmation so that the poor Koreans don't have to wake up at 3am and sit in front of their computer waiting an hour for a no show.


Its pretty easy to tell the Koreans that PainUser has basically withdrawn from NASL so they don't have to wake up.

NASL can't make that decision for PainUser. PainUser has to communicate it to them. --Ok, you're bowing out. That sucks, but at least we can notify your opponents.-- Instead, he doesn't communicate at all so his opponents still have to show in case he decides to play. You can't speak for someone unless they have communicated what they want said.


How do you know he hasn't told them he's done playing? He basically announced it on inside the game.

Incontrol mentioned on the NASL stream that this was his third no-show in a row. NASL has tried to contact him through e-mail, phone, friends of friends, etc... and PainUser has not responded for over 3 weeks. He's basically dodging the responsibilities that he signed up for when he joined the league and doesn't have the decency to admit it. In not admitting it, he has caused even more problems for the NASL league as a whole, and more specifically, for his opponents who could be doing other things with than time than waiting around for a no-show.


Incontrol spoke with Painuser on the DJwheat show last week, so how could this statement be possibly true. The same show where Painuser said he couldn't reschedule nasl games/retiring from gaming? Come on, biased thread is biased.


You make it out like Incontrol does the scheduling and running of NASL. Its not JP/Day9/Wheat's responsibility to contact players to show up for MLG, why should it be Incontrol's responsibility when it comes to NASL? The best Incontrol can do is tell the NASL higher ups that Painuser is being a flake and thinking of quitting, you should get an official statement from him as to whether or not to continue.


Dude, when Sheth didn't show up to MLG's last year it got spoken about constantly on Wheat and JPs talk shows. Bad example

Seriously though, if IdrA said to JP on SOTG that he isn't going to turn up to MLG, I'm pretty sure JP would follow it up.


JP would follow it up, just like (I would image) Incontrol would also follow it up. My argument is, that it is not up to Incontrol to decide the final rulings or liaise with individual players prior to their matches. They have other people to do that, and from what has been publicly available, they've done their best efforts to reach out to him. You can't expect an organisation to use a recording of a skype conversation with one of their broadcasters as an official statement by a player of their withdrawal from the tournament.
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nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
June 06 2011 06:05 GMT
#58
On June 06 2011 14:34 uSnAmplified wrote:
Great interviews, you know the ones the thread was made for? Not for a bunch of people who dont know him to try and crucify him over the internet. He obviously has pulled out of NASL, buts it none of our business and should be kept between two parties. Just because NASL makes it public doesn't mean it should be, they should have had stricter rules on the issue in the first place to prevent people from dipping out after they have obviously already been eliminated.


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+ Show Spoiler +
On June 06 2011 14:06 nokz88 wrote:
You guys are bunch of clueless teenagers.. sigh

According to Incontrol, Painuser:

1. Did not show up for 3 (THREE) straight weeks
2. Has not communicated the nasl about his no-shows
3. Has ignored all attempts in nasl's part to get on hold of him (calls, e-mails, RL people)

Tell me, what kind of professional environment allows for such atrocities? You guys saying it's no big deal, again I tell you, I dare you pull these off without being fined/sued/fired on the spot. This is completely unacceptable no matter what your job is.

If you still think that's no big deal, I dare you to get a job
.
Throwing insults around at random people on the internet is pretty nonprofessional to.


Oh, I thought posting here was not my job, guess I was mistaken. My profissionalism is needed here too. My bad.

Read my original post, it is far from "crucifying" him. I want him to explain himself and hold him accountable, because nasl and I are on a contract, saying "I pay you money, you deliver SC2 content", and I believe Painuser and nasl are on a contract, saying "You play for us, we pay you according to your performance". See how I'm in a position to demand some explanation? Is that asking too much? Didn't think so.

Anything else you want to make a rebuttal? Like, important things, not silly things like how I call a few people "clueless teenagers"?
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W.O.L.F.Y.
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany98 Posts
June 06 2011 06:33 GMT
#59
The end of the interview of idra was highly amusing. You both seem like 2 self-statisfied dudes :D.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
June 06 2011 06:37 GMT
#60
If you want to discuss painusers NASL issues, find somewhere else to do it than a thread about interviews with PLAYERS THAT ARE NOT PAINUSER.
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Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
June 06 2011 06:41 GMT
#61
On June 06 2011 15:33 W.O.L.F.Y. wrote:
The end of the interview of idra was highly amusing. You both seem like 2 self-statisfied dudes :D.


Yeah ... "That was one smooooooooooooooooothhhhhh interview."
adeptz
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia220 Posts
June 06 2011 06:53 GMT
#62
LOL @ Naniwa's nonchalant "I did a 4gate, ran past his units, and warped into his base."
War Horse
Profile Joined January 2011
United States247 Posts
June 06 2011 15:53 GMT
#63
On June 06 2011 14:22 duckducktiM wrote:
lol, love how you retards turned this thread into a painuser flame fest - atleast make a new thread about it and talk about it somewhere else instead of flaming him in a thread where he's giving us interviews

Its relevant when he's trying to interview pros yet he has no respect to them, fans, or leagues to give them notification that he is withdrawing from the event.

Instead he has wasted everyone's time for the past 3 weeks. Unprofessional, he should be blacklisted from every event.
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PeachTea
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States149 Posts
June 06 2011 17:00 GMT
#64
On June 07 2011 00:53 War Horse wrote:
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On June 06 2011 14:22 duckducktiM wrote:
lol, love how you retards turned this thread into a painuser flame fest - atleast make a new thread about it and talk about it somewhere else instead of flaming him in a thread where he's giving us interviews

Its relevant when he's trying to interview pros yet he has no respect to them, fans, or leagues to give them notification that he is withdrawing from the event.

Instead he has wasted everyone's time for the past 3 weeks. Unprofessional, he should be blacklisted from every event.


Good thing your not the host of any tournaments because your logic is ridiculous.
sycknesS
Profile Joined April 2009
United States83 Posts
June 07 2011 06:10 GMT
#65
New interview with sixjax.Major!
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-07 07:58:25
June 07 2011 06:21 GMT
#66
It seems like most players in the pro scene are introverts, and interviewing them constantly between matches adds distraction to their overall character and concentration during their already stressful performance weekend.

I did enjoy the Naniwa interview a lot, but not enough for him to enter the polite debacle of further attention from new community members. You're too extroverted imho.

Good effort Painuser and I appreciate the motivation to include their expression and feedback, but please leave the players alone.
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Utinni
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1196 Posts
June 07 2011 15:48 GMT
#67
On June 07 2011 15:21 Alabasern wrote:
It seems like most players in the pro scene are introverts, and interviewing them constantly between matches adds distraction to their overall character and concentration during their already stressful performance weekend.

I did enjoy the Naniwa interview a lot, but not enough for him to enter the polite debacle of further attention from new community members. You're too extroverted imho.

Good effort Painuser and I appreciate the motivation to include their expression and feedback, but please leave the players alone.

If they wanted, they can refuse the interview... I doubt they are forced to do the interviews (besides post game winners) good sir. *makes whip noise*
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awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
June 07 2011 15:51 GMT
#68
Any plans for having PainUser interview Incontrol?
RaLakedaimon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1564 Posts
June 07 2011 15:53 GMT
#69
First time I heard that PainUser wasn't gonna compete anymore due to work, makes me sad I always loved his style but great interviews thanks for the info! :D
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
June 07 2011 20:01 GMT
#70
I wouldn't want to be that introvert that turns down an interview and gets discredited in brownie points.
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United States83 Posts
June 20 2011 13:52 GMT
#71
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