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[Int] DongRaeGu - Message from Korea #1 - Page 9

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b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
May 18 2011 15:04 GMT
#161
On May 18 2011 23:56 Mitchlew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 23:53 ehalf wrote:
Seriously? Outplay Marineking, Nada, Supernova, MC not by any cheese at all, and still struggle to get into Code A without success ... Damn, that's why no one wants to go to Korea.

Errr, you do realise when he was playing MC he stopped all drone production for roaches and lings? It was all in, if mc had held it off he would have been so far behind.


roach/ling isn't an all-in build. Min stated this himself when I interviewed him
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
May 18 2011 15:18 GMT
#162
On May 19 2011 00:04 b_unnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 23:56 Mitchlew wrote:
On May 18 2011 23:53 ehalf wrote:
Seriously? Outplay Marineking, Nada, Supernova, MC not by any cheese at all, and still struggle to get into Code A without success ... Damn, that's why no one wants to go to Korea.

Errr, you do realise when he was playing MC he stopped all drone production for roaches and lings? It was all in, if mc had held it off he would have been so far behind.


roach/ling isn't an all-in build. Min stated this himself when I interviewed him

Losira had waaaay more drones than DRG, Losiras wasn't all in. DRG most defiantly was.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
May 18 2011 15:19 GMT
#163
"Delta Quadrant sucks." 100% agreed. And hydras again...

Btw very good player, he was outstanding today in GSTL.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
stangstang
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada281 Posts
May 18 2011 15:29 GMT
#164
On May 19 2011 00:18 Eppa! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 00:04 b_unnies wrote:
On May 18 2011 23:56 Mitchlew wrote:
On May 18 2011 23:53 ehalf wrote:
Seriously? Outplay Marineking, Nada, Supernova, MC not by any cheese at all, and still struggle to get into Code A without success ... Damn, that's why no one wants to go to Korea.

Errr, you do realise when he was playing MC he stopped all drone production for roaches and lings? It was all in, if mc had held it off he would have been so far behind.


roach/ling isn't an all-in build. Min stated this himself when I interviewed him

Losira had waaaay more drones than DRG, Losiras wasn't all in. DRG most defiantly was.


And what is the exact drone count to qualify it as an all in? 20? 25? 30? face it. it wasn't an all in. yes he is behind if the attack fails, but that is the same as every other attack in the game that doesnt do damage.

2 base tank marine attack vs zerg
blink stalker attack vs zerg
cloak banshee vs everyone
dt rush vs everyone
quest_5692
Profile Joined November 2010
Malaysia57 Posts
May 18 2011 22:45 GMT
#165
so whats its an all in. he sees protoss fast expand, he know if he dont punish the insanely weak protoss now, he will have a harder time later in the game. so what? FKING KILL HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

like his counter smash booth.
too much hype on foreigner fan favorite....accept the fact koreans are OP...
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
May 18 2011 22:53 GMT
#166
On May 19 2011 00:29 stangstang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 00:18 Eppa! wrote:
On May 19 2011 00:04 b_unnies wrote:
On May 18 2011 23:56 Mitchlew wrote:
On May 18 2011 23:53 ehalf wrote:
Seriously? Outplay Marineking, Nada, Supernova, MC not by any cheese at all, and still struggle to get into Code A without success ... Damn, that's why no one wants to go to Korea.

Errr, you do realise when he was playing MC he stopped all drone production for roaches and lings? It was all in, if mc had held it off he would have been so far behind.


roach/ling isn't an all-in build. Min stated this himself when I interviewed him

Losira had waaaay more drones than DRG, Losiras wasn't all in. DRG most defiantly was.


And what is the exact drone count to qualify it as an all in? 20? 25? 30? face it. it wasn't an all in. yes he is behind if the attack fails, but that is the same as every other attack in the game that doesnt do damage.

2 base tank marine attack vs zerg
blink stalker attack vs zerg
cloak banshee vs everyone
dt rush vs everyone

pretty much,
building ANY army units = cutting (some->all, whatever) drones.
larvae~...
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 22:53:59
May 18 2011 22:53 GMT
#167
The thing is, allin is very hard to define for zerg, as as long as they have 2 hatchs 2 queens they're able to pump more or less 20 drones a minute.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
May 18 2011 23:00 GMT
#168
On May 19 2011 00:29 stangstang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 00:18 Eppa! wrote:
On May 19 2011 00:04 b_unnies wrote:
On May 18 2011 23:56 Mitchlew wrote:
On May 18 2011 23:53 ehalf wrote:
Seriously? Outplay Marineking, Nada, Supernova, MC not by any cheese at all, and still struggle to get into Code A without success ... Damn, that's why no one wants to go to Korea.

Errr, you do realise when he was playing MC he stopped all drone production for roaches and lings? It was all in, if mc had held it off he would have been so far behind.


roach/ling isn't an all-in build. Min stated this himself when I interviewed him

Losira had waaaay more drones than DRG, Losiras wasn't all in. DRG most defiantly was.


And what is the exact drone count to qualify it as an all in? 20? 25? 30? face it. it wasn't an all in. yes he is behind if the attack fails, but that is the same as every other attack in the game that doesnt do damage.

2 base tank marine attack vs zerg
blink stalker attack vs zerg
cloak banshee vs everyone
dt rush vs everyone


I have grown completely sick of every single attack (yes that's a bit of an exaggeration) being called all in... it's a cancerous phrase on this site. Apparently if you make some units instead of spamming workers the whole game until you get attacked... you are going all in, because (here is the logic that is almost always stated) if you attack and don't do damage to their economy you are behind...

Well... yeah... obviously, but that is such a stupid justification. Of course if you invest in attacking units and your attack is not successful in killing them or doing economic damage then you are behind. That's how the game works. You can't always decide to attack and always come out ahead, what would be the point of not attacking sooner then? You also can't expect to have a poor attack, yet be even with your opponent in macro despite the losses (assuming everything before that difference was the same).

Sometimes a player needs to make a plan to attack if they see a weakness in their opponent... of course they need to make units to do that, and therefore be behind on workers... but that doesn't make it all in.
quentel
Profile Joined March 2011
349 Posts
May 18 2011 23:13 GMT
#169
Good thing this got bumped, since I missed it when it was new, probably because I had no knowledge of drg until the current GSTL. Good read.
Samhax
Profile Joined August 2010
1054 Posts
May 19 2011 06:55 GMT
#170
I just saw the replay, the guy is sick good. And he is kind of crazy, i like it!

Shameless bump!
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
May 19 2011 07:06 GMT
#171
On May 19 2011 15:55 Samhax wrote:
I just saw the replay, the guy is sick good. And he is kind of crazy, i like it!

Shameless bump!

Yeah, you can't beat DreamMvP TvZ if you don't have a sick good ZvT. If you don't believe it, you can watch DreamMvP games from Gisado Clan #1. He plays for MvP clan btw. But I sincerely disagree that this is Dream's A game.
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
May 19 2011 07:08 GMT
#172
sorry if this is a dumb question but where does dongraegu stream?
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
Vorlik
Profile Joined October 2010
1522 Posts
May 19 2011 07:09 GMT
#173
Amazing player. need to gets into code a next season!
GMonster
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
686 Posts
May 19 2011 07:17 GMT
#174
On May 19 2011 16:08 hunts wrote:
sorry if this is a dumb question but where does dongraegu stream?


Probably on a korean site if he does at all i would be suprised though/.
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Gooey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States944 Posts
May 19 2011 07:27 GMT
#175
On May 19 2011 16:08 hunts wrote:
sorry if this is a dumb question but where does dongraegu stream?


Xeph is the the only way to see him play. A few months ago he streamed DRG's play for a few days. He will show up on Team Liquid as "Xeph's Progamer Stream". He showed some of StC's laddering before this as well. I always wondered how long it would take before DRG ended up on korean TV, and here he is tearing up the GSTL. He plays extremely fast if you have watched him play first person before, and makes some pretty awesome plays. Hope to see more of him in the future =)
www.twitch.tv/Thatgooey
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
May 19 2011 07:27 GMT
#176
On May 19 2011 16:17 GoKu` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 16:08 hunts wrote:
sorry if this is a dumb question but where does dongraegu stream?


Probably on a korean site if he does at all i would be suprised though/.

Check out his fanclub, I believe there's someone who mirrors his stream on JTV.
SMaD
Profile Joined September 2010
Spain137 Posts
May 19 2011 07:30 GMT
#177
On May 19 2011 16:08 hunts wrote:
sorry if this is a dumb question but where does dongraegu stream?

You could watch him playing in Xeph's stream (here in TL) which was a "mirror" of official Korean streams but it seems as if Xeph's disappeared and he isn't streaming anymore.

I could be wrong but I'd say that Korean players don't usually stream because other players can analyze their gameplay and find their weaknesses. Xeph had an agreement with some of them to stream some of their games outside Korea.

Maybe there is an official Korean stream where you can find him playing, idk.
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
May 19 2011 07:36 GMT
#178
Awesome looking forward to see more of him. He looks so Damn beastly in gstl!
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fraktoasters
Profile Joined January 2011
United States617 Posts
May 19 2011 07:38 GMT
#179
On May 19 2011 00:29 stangstang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 00:18 Eppa! wrote:
On May 19 2011 00:04 b_unnies wrote:
On May 18 2011 23:56 Mitchlew wrote:
On May 18 2011 23:53 ehalf wrote:
Seriously? Outplay Marineking, Nada, Supernova, MC not by any cheese at all, and still struggle to get into Code A without success ... Damn, that's why no one wants to go to Korea.

Errr, you do realise when he was playing MC he stopped all drone production for roaches and lings? It was all in, if mc had held it off he would have been so far behind.


roach/ling isn't an all-in build. Min stated this himself when I interviewed him

Losira had waaaay more drones than DRG, Losiras wasn't all in. DRG most defiantly was.


And what is the exact drone count to qualify it as an all in? 20? 25? 30? face it. it wasn't an all in. yes he is behind if the attack fails, but that is the same as every other attack in the game that doesnt do damage.

2 base tank marine attack vs zerg
blink stalker attack vs zerg
cloak banshee vs everyone
dt rush vs everyone


Well Nestea/Losira cut drones at like 30~35 and expand as they attack. Taking a third while you're attacking is what really makes their attacks not all-in to my eyes.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
May 19 2011 07:43 GMT
#180
Thumbs up, I really liked this. Before reading the article Dongraegu was just another nameplate in GSTL but now I see him as a player instead of just another protoss.
Thank you for this article!


(Also its nice to see a top player interview that has some substance. Some interviews are so focused on being PR friendly that you could replace the interviewees name with anyone else that played their race and not notice)
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