Wow alot of people seem to be upset that these guys are making some money off their knowledges and playing aiblity.

This is good for e-sports.

If people want to pay 250$ to go to a sc2 camp, then whats the problem?

Some people are such downers lol.

angelicfolly

United States292 Posts

June 07 2010 08:24 GMT

#682

Have they checked into the legal matter of running a camp? I wouldn't suspect if only adults are going to be there that it would have little regulations but if kids, you may run into trouble if someone found out you don't have the requirements. I can't speak for Arizona regulations but from past camps I attended when I was younger there was some things they couldn't/had to do (then again that was with around 150 kids).

Trogdor

United States158 Posts

June 07 2010 09:04 GMT

#683

Hmm, here are my thoughts:
1: People form strong opinions on this site on things they have no business believing in so strongly
2: I don't think some of you understand or are even aware of coaching for video games
3: 250 is not just cheap, it's ridiculously cheap. 4 days of intense instruction on anything costs more than that.
4: I have overwhelming respect for these guys for starting this program. Not only for the entrepreneur spirit, but for the good this could do for e-sports in the US.

Trogdor

United States158 Posts

June 07 2010 09:08 GMT

#684

That being said, I have to give an anecdote that might make the need for coaching more clear. When I moved into my dorms freshman year of college (2001), I was roomies with a guy who had a lot of friends back home that were hardcore counterstrike/starcraft players. One of his friends came to visit once, and crashed on our couch for a week. He was a member of the GS team and was familiar with high level coaching and how to practice a competitive game. So, he naturally started "coaching" me on my starcraft and counterstrike. I can't fully explain to you how fast I learned in that 1 week. It was absolutely ridiculous! The week immediately after he left, my roommate and I went like 50-2 on 2v2 bloodbath, and people started accusing me of aim-hacking in counterstrike. Rebuilding my fundementals, and learning how to think about games made me a better player for the rest of my gaming days in the future. I'm totally confident that there was no way in hell I would have learned those things on my own. Since that week, none of my friends have ever been better than me at any game we play. No matter if it's starcraft, or tiger woods golf, or modern warfare 2, or poker, or backgammon, it doesn't matter. Bottom line is, theres only so much you can teach yourself.
I know there's a lot of stuff on strategy and tactics available on the web (day[9], tl, etc.), but that's not what coaching is. Having someone standing over you and coaching you cannot be substituted. High level strategy is based on the assumption that you are doing the other 95% of the game correctly; thats because starcraft is very hard. If you want proof, just look at sports: there's no level of competition in any sport where athletes aren't being coached. Nobody gets anywhere without a coach in any sport. Luckily, people are a lot better at sports than we are at starcraft 2, so we can still get by if we're self taught. But if you can get coaching, it's almost unfair how much it helps.

douji

United States20 Posts

June 07 2010 09:31 GMT

#685

wow, all of you who are complaining about $250 for a weekend of coaching are pretty ridiculous.

While it's true that almost everything anyone can teach you is available if you are determined enough to look for it, the problem isn't the lack of information. The main purpose of education isn't giving out information that you can't find anywhere else, it's actually LIMITING the amount of information flow so that you can digest it.

Let me put this into perspective, lots and lots of people take music lessons. Only a very very small minority of these are ever going to be 'professional' or use their skills beyond a recreational level. It's arguable that you can everything about playing a piano from books, the internet, youtube videos and the like, but yet, piano lessons generally run around $50 an hour, compared to this, $250 for a weekend is nothing.

Silent12ill

United States358 Posts

June 07 2010 09:43 GMT

#686

I 115% agree with trogdor

OneOther

United States10774 Posts

June 07 2010 09:52 GMT

#687

This is really sick, haha. I'd be so down to go if I had the time/opportunity. Good luck.

Elegy

United States1629 Posts

June 07 2010 09:56 GMT

#688

as a small example, look at hyungjoon's show...he goes from being a complete incompetent fool (extractor costing 125 according to him) to essentially being able to beat Gas...then again, he was going for months, but the point remains that a cram session with top or near top tier players for 4? days straight is pretty damn instructive. I can understand some people questioning this, but overall this is wholly a positive benefit for sc2, especially in NA where such things are a rarity indeed.

zekezagura

United States38 Posts

June 07 2010 10:19 GMT

#689

This is a really cool idea and if I had the money (T.T) I would definitely go. Are you guys planing to do this on an annual basis because next year probably would be much more viable.

epik640x

United States1134 Posts

June 07 2010 12:48 GMT

#690

This is awesome and you guys shouldn't give a second thought to the haters.

theBullFrog

United States515 Posts

June 08 2010 01:26 GMT

#691

Ya know, i'm a full time worker, software engineer. I also have an active social life on the weekend, I don't play as much as I want to. I haven't touched a RTS in about 6 years(that being bw

)
I loved sw:bw and i never even thought about going competitive back then. Until sc2.

Build order, economy, expand 1 ahead of the enemy are things I read about, but made more sense when explained by an actual pro verbally(over vent)

When i picked the game up for beta a few months ago, i was better than most. I got placed in silver league, but i couldn't get out of it though. So i found TL and with it gosucoaching.com.
Machine is zerg and i'm a zerg player, so i picked him to get coaching from. I've done two( 2hr) sessions with Machine and I grew exponentially after the first session imo. Up until the most recent patch i was rank 7 in Diamond league.

If I'm not winning any tournys, like i want to be, i'm goin to this camp. spending 240 isn't alot to me if it helps me pursue my goal of participating with the best( and maybe even beating them

)

Just my two cents.

Skeyser

Canada219 Posts

June 08 2010 01:41 GMT

#692

Screw the haters, what you guys are doing is awesome for e-sports.

AeonStrife

United States918 Posts

June 08 2010 05:15 GMT

#693

Hi, just wondering if there is a video/picture preview of the last camp you guys had. Something like a promo vid to turn my attention to this kind of thing. I am unsure if you guys do because I am not going to stream through 35 pages of this thread....thank you.

DrivE

United States2554 Posts

June 08 2010 05:51 GMT

#694

On June 08 2010 14:15 JohnUCrazy wrote:
Hi, just wondering if there is a video/picture preview of the last camp you guys had. Something like a promo vid to turn my attention to this kind of thing. I am unsure if you guys do because I am not going to stream through 35 pages of this thread....thank you.

They don't. This is the first time that they are doing this.

Skew

United States1019 Posts

June 08 2010 06:34 GMT

#695

lol @ you fools hating on these guys trying to make a living doing what they love. you're a bunch of fucking clowns and you're awful at rts anyways so it's pretty hard to fathom how you can even have an opinion on if it's worth it.

i know all of these guys and they've spent years refining skills that apply across all rts, not only starcraft. they definitely will improve anyone with the extra time and cash and it'll be a really fun time in general.

FuDDx

United States5015 Posts

June 08 2010 06:38 GMT

#696

Balloon training camp for SC2 camp?I like the barter/trade system.

thezergk

United States492 Posts

June 16 2010 03:52 GMT

#697

I would totally do this but im only 15 and I doubt my mom would let me stay in a house with a bunch of college pro gamers lol

Cell.cell

United States46 Posts

June 30 2010 01:30 GMT

#698

Man I just got back from my golfing lessons. Can you guys believe, they were almost 80$ an hour. And GET THIS: my golf instructor wasn't even the best golfer in America! Can you freaking BELIEVE THAT? Apparently he isn't even on the PGA Tour! It's just unreal he has the audacity to attempt to make a living doing this kind of thing. He is completely RUINING the game of golf. What a sellout.

Diamond

United States10796 Posts

June 30 2010 01:36 GMT

#699

On June 30 2010 10:30 Cell.cell wrote:
Man I just got back from my golfing lessons. Can you guys believe, they were almost 80$ an hour. And GET THIS: my golf instructor wasn't even the best golfer in America! Can you freaking BELIEVE THAT? Apparently he isn't even on the PGA Tour! It's just unreal he has the audacity to attempt to make a living doing this kind of thing. He is completely RUINING the game of golf. What a sellout.

This is a bunch of malarkey. It makes me sick to think this kind of shit can happen! I would demand a refund unless he provides Tiger Woods cause obviously he is the only person in the world qualified enough....