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Alphaes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States651 Posts
February 08 2011 05:00 GMT
#16621
I always had a feeling that Mass Queens would be great in all matchups after the first Zelniq Queen special, but the results today proved to be quite above my expectations - even at this stage of rough refinement build-wise and micro-wise. It really seem to give the Zerg a "deathball" sort of army since the mass transfuses make individual units that much stronger.
Still, I don't think it's necessarily imbalanced. Outside of the obvious counters (Ghosts, HT), it most likely will be weak against high-mobility plays as well since you need to keep everything together, and queens are still somewhat slow units even on creep (though CatZ did show the possibilty of ferrying them with overlords).
What this
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
February 08 2011 05:06 GMT
#16622
I have never had Day[9] lag and I am in the U.S. even when there are 10,000 or more viewers, if I click on the stream and wait a couple seconds it loads up just fine. If the problem is on Day[9]'s end it is apparently a very, very specific issue (at least by the ratio of problem replies to fine replies). I would still lean to the issue being on the viewers end of things. (Limited connection, too many programs eating bandwidth, etc., etc.)
SummerZerg
Profile Joined March 2010
United States82 Posts
February 08 2011 05:10 GMT
#16623
I was wondering where i submit my replays for newby tuesday.
If you suck at macro practice macro if you suck at micro practice macro.. if your apm sucks practice macro... if you lose games PRACTICE MACRO...
Feb
Profile Joined December 2010
98 Posts
February 08 2011 05:13 GMT
#16624
the major issues i see with queens are that they seem to completely replace hydras (and despite what happened to reapers, i don't feel blizzard likes units being completely useless), and i'm not sure how scoutable this build is as the counters for terran and protoss aren't the easiest or most natural things to tech to.

i didn't participate in the beta, but i thought i heard that early on queens were crazy imba and blizzard nerfed them down to try to ensure they remained almost exclusively defensive units. since this may be changing and the nerfs blizzard made to reapers and barracks requiring supply depots, i think some balance changes will happen to hydras, queens, and some of the counters in upcoming patches.
DharmaTurtle
Profile Joined August 2010
United States283 Posts
February 08 2011 05:14 GMT
#16625
On February 08 2011 14:06 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
I have never had Day[9] lag and I am in the U.S. even when there are 10,000 or more viewers, if I click on the stream and wait a couple seconds it loads up just fine. If the problem is on Day[9]'s end it is apparently a very, very specific issue (at least by the ratio of problem replies to fine replies). I would still lean to the issue being on the viewers end of things. (Limited connection, too many programs eating bandwidth, etc., etc.)


I've tried everything. I've booted up in safe mode with networking, I've closed explorer.exe, I've tried Chrome, Firefox, Opera, even frickin IE8, I've updated my Flash, I've updated my Java, I've updated my gorramned BIOS, I've tried my laptop, I tried my old Apple G4 laptop - they all lag.

The issue might be with my network then, but I doubt it. I can watch other ustreams fine, I can watch Justin.tv's 720p streams fine, I can even stream 1080p YouTube videos. I have a 3 Mbps connection. I only recently started lagging - up until 2 weeks ago, I was virtually lag free.

This all is moot though - mods can't fix it, Day9 can't fix it, Team Liquid can't fix it. Only ustream can fix it.

Until then, someone, for the hate of lag, please restream.
I went from bronze to platinum in 3 awesome days.
SummerZerg
Profile Joined March 2010
United States82 Posts
February 08 2011 05:15 GMT
#16626
queens are same as they were in beta.. just saying..
If you suck at macro practice macro if you suck at micro practice macro.. if your apm sucks practice macro... if you lose games PRACTICE MACRO...
Shadowolf
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada12 Posts
February 08 2011 05:31 GMT
#16627
I'm betting the lag issue has something to do with a new peering agreement with the affected ISP since it doesn't seem to be a wide spread issue.

I would suggested someone who is having a lag issue's run a traceroute to see if there an unreasonable network path to ustream.
Zips
Profile Joined August 2010
United States146 Posts
February 08 2011 05:32 GMT
#16628
Mass queen can easily be shut down by EMP or feedback.

Yet..

Today's funday monday was incredibly informative, and very relevant to the real games. Going mass queen is beatable, but it also forces a different unit mix from your opponent, so I love it -- and if your opponent doesn't build templars or ghosts, you can fuckin win with it!

Who'd have thought?

Excellent day9 daily, today -- I would recommend every zerg player watches it at least once!
GameTime
Profile Joined May 2010
United States222 Posts
February 08 2011 05:34 GMT
#16629
I really loved today's daily and #252, amazing content Day9, keep it up.

I actually see mass queens having its own niche in the future and I want to see it in a tournament some day.
Only the winner deserves to win.
GeeseHoward
Profile Joined November 2010
United States78 Posts
February 08 2011 05:34 GMT
#16630
On February 08 2011 14:15 SummerZerg wrote:
queens are same as they were in beta.. just saying..

Please don't mislead people.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Beta_Patch_Notes

Queen

Speed off creep decreased from 1.5 to 0.938. (Speed on creep unchanged)

How I miss the 1.5 speed of the queen.
[quote][/quote]
Dabba
Profile Joined January 2010
United States182 Posts
February 08 2011 05:41 GMT
#16631
Good daily, the lag must have to do with certian isps, because mine was fine.
OrangeNinja21
Profile Joined November 2010
United States84 Posts
February 08 2011 05:42 GMT
#16632
I find it funny that the first ever Funday Monday was about making no Queens. It seems that Day[9] has come full circle lol.

Well, I'm glad that Zergs have another versatile build to add to their arsenal
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ferago
Profile Joined February 2009
41 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 06:12:30
February 08 2011 06:04 GMT
#16633
On February 08 2011 14:15 SummerZerg wrote:
queens are same as they were in beta.. just saying..


Which makes this a perfect testament to the fact that game balance isn't just influenced by patches. What we're probably about to witness is a huge paradigm shift, similar to when JulyZerg revolutionized mutalisk harass in BW. Or even better, when Bisu perfected the forge fast-expand for PvZ and it became the new standard Protoss opening.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 06:53:08
February 08 2011 06:52 GMT
#16634
looks like day[9] found a new strat to go.

and i don't mean mass queens, but rather double gas steal into proxy ebay.

e: typos
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 07:46:27
February 08 2011 07:45 GMT
#16635
On February 08 2011 13:31 Ragnar1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2011 13:29 Feb wrote:
so... i'm thinking transfuse gets nerfed to only working on buildings.

kinda funny how blizzard replaced the medic with the medivac to prevent the mass one unit self-healing issue and then kinda had a massive oversight on the queen.


I doubt they will get nerfed. They still have limited mobility and require the attention and hand speed to actually use transfuses during battles.


Not that much hand speed actually required to pull it off, but I agree. Doubt it'll get nerfed, hell maybe it's even entended that zerg start creeping to their opponents and use mass queens to support expensive t3.

On February 08 2011 13:38 Feb wrote:
um, you watching the catz games? unless you want every pro game to be zvz, think they need to do something about their unkillability.

their other possibility is transfuse reduces queen health to 1hp (kinda like dark archons' mind control in broodwar)


one ghost EMP. Marauders focus firing.

Na, there are lots of things that can work well enough this mass queen business.
PhantomNVD
Profile Joined November 2010
31 Posts
February 08 2011 07:48 GMT
#16636
On February 08 2011 14:31 Shadowolf wrote:
I'm betting the lag issue has something to do with a new peering agreement with the affected ISP since it doesn't seem to be a wide spread issue.

I would suggested someone who is having a lag issue's run a traceroute to see if there an unreasonable network path to ustream.


Nope, I'm in NZ and have a (v reasonable for the distance) 170 ping, with very few spikes or drops when pinging/tracert-ing ustream.tv

Was all good 2 weeks back, now absolute rubbish, though JustinTV and other ustream work Day[9]TV just doesn't anymore.... leaving me a reluctant VOD viewer
Skrelt
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands306 Posts
February 08 2011 08:10 GMT
#16637
People comon, I dont understand this.

Shawn got like 10K viewers on funday monday and he stil only has 4300 votes on the shorty awards.

How can you watch him and not vote for him? He give's away so much and people dont want to make a twitter acount for him? Cmon, hes worth it. So please help Day[9] win a shorty award.

You know he deserves it more than anyone.
The Wolfpack - Metalband from the Netherlands
Malminos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States321 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 08:17:14
February 08 2011 08:16 GMT
#16638
On February 08 2011 17:10 Skrelt wrote:
People comon, I dont understand this.

Shawn got like 10K viewers on funday monday and he stil only has 4300 votes on the shorty awards.

How can you watch him and not vote for him? He give's away so much and people dont want to make a twitter acount for him? Cmon, hes worth it. So please help Day[9] win a shorty award.

You know he deserves it more than anyone.

^^^^^^this.

I voted. it would be awesome for esports if he won. C'mon, if anyone hasn't, go vote!

Here's a link: http://shortyawards.com/category/gaming
"To dream of because become happiness "
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
February 08 2011 08:19 GMT
#16639
On February 08 2011 17:16 Malminos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2011 17:10 Skrelt wrote:
People comon, I dont understand this.

Shawn got like 10K viewers on funday monday and he stil only has 4300 votes on the shorty awards.

How can you watch him and not vote for him? He give's away so much and people dont want to make a twitter acount for him? Cmon, hes worth it. So please help Day[9] win a shorty award.

You know he deserves it more than anyone.

^^^^^^this.

I voted. it would be awesome for esports if he won. C'mon, if anyone hasn't, go vote!

Here's a link: http://shortyawards.com/category/gaming


Just F.Y.I. getting first place in votes would help him, but it doesn't earn him the win. Top 6 contenders all get picked and sent over to the judges who will review each person along with their votes and tweet comments and THEY will decide who wins the award. So Sean already has that in the bag, what he needs is not more votes necessarily but quality votes with meaningful comments about why he should win. Although getting voted first place is nice too.
AngelLock
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand54 Posts
February 08 2011 08:21 GMT
#16640
Hey can anyone give me the names of the songs he played in the pre show? One of them he played gave me an eargasm and id love to get my hands on it. Ty =D
Do not fear. Fear is the mind killer.
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