Ok let's finalize this now:

JimmiC vs. Ace:

Is Wiggins below average (Ace) OR average or better (JimmiC)?

1. Control players: Gary Harris, Mayo, Stuckey, McLemore, G. Henderson*
2. Metric: Win Shares (WS)
3. Bet forced signature: ???

Ace and JimmiC, please specify what sig bet you want the other to use if he loses.

*based on BBallbreakdown. The list is limited to players with the same position as Wiggins (SG).

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

January 11 2018 17:37 GMT

#1622

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Ace

United States16096 Posts

January 11 2018 18:06 GMT

#1623

Lol @ the players he picked. Just ridiculous. Look Wiggins is still bad. 2 good games vs a what he's done all season doesn't change that. If you want to be purely objective just model the 4 factors of basketball and see how well Wiggins stacks up vs league average. You don't want to use positions either. Use only Wings if you want to actually give Wiggins a crutch to stand on.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

January 11 2018 18:12 GMT

#1624

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JimmyJRaynor

Canada17818 Posts

January 11 2018 18:52 GMT

#1625

NBA G League 26 team Showcase is in Misssissauga and i'll be going tomorrow and Saturday.
fun times!

26 games in 4 days.
http://gleague.nba.com/news/schedule-announced-nba-g-league-showcase-2018/

with the Raptors missing Ibaka and Lowry there might be a few players in a double header tonight. the 905 have a game at 12 and Toronto has a game at 8.

On January 11 2018 17:33 Phredxor wrote:
Man this thread is something. For how much the Jimmis talk about ignoring each other, half the thread is just them sniping at one another.
I like this bet though.

i've never said i'm ignoring the other guy.
he talks about ignoring me all the time and put it in his signature.. while at the same time responding to my post while quoting me. the self contradictions are rather amusing.

my sig on the other hand...
well you'll have to google it.

On January 11 2018 06:21 Jerubaal wrote:
Somebody must like him. His VORP is -0.1 which is about as fucking average as you can get. I'll be glad to change it to "serviceable player". My point is that his problem is the expectation, not his absolute value.

worst VORP of any starter. only bazz,crawford, and brooks are worse. 3 very limited players.
his RPM is -0.1. both VORP and RPM are saying the same thing. below average as a starter.

what i'm saying is.. he is improving. but still below average as a starter. i'm not going to repeat my estimated timeline for his improvement.. its in my posts.

wiggins solid play outside of shooting is not enough to make up for 62% from the line, 43% from the field, 32% from 3, and an inefficient .475 eFG

Ace

United States16096 Posts

January 11 2018 19:29 GMT

#1626

On January 12 2018 03:12 JimmiC wrote:
Nothing over 50 games "proves" anything. But who wants to make a bet that ends when Wiggins Career ends? I mean in truth, I don't think any "bad" players are going to get the minutes and responsibility that Wiggins gets on a team that is likely to finish 2-5th in the west.

If you like my bet offer take it, the goal was to do something fun and fairly simple. If you don't, don't no harm no foul and lets move on.

How about we use his career up until now?

JimmyJRaynor

Canada17818 Posts

January 11 2018 19:59 GMT

#1627

Fultz is practicing in london.

https://streamable.com/5j5zb

JimmyJRaynor

Canada17818 Posts

January 11 2018 20:41 GMT

#1628

The next time Redick enters a room the queen should bow

https://streamable.com/lk205

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

January 11 2018 20:42 GMT

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Twinkle Toes

United States3605 Posts

January 11 2018 22:12 GMT

#1630

On January 12 2018 03:06 Ace wrote:
Lol @ the players he picked. Just ridiculous. Look Wiggins is still bad. 2 good games vs a what he's done all season doesn't change that. If you want to be purely objective just model the 4 factors of basketball and see how well Wiggins stacks up vs league average. You don't want to use positions either. Use only Wings if you want to actually give Wiggins a crutch to stand on.

It was just an attempt to initiate, just trying to start the ball rolling.
The final word comes from you and JimmiC :D

JimmyJRaynor

Canada17818 Posts

January 12 2018 00:03 GMT

#1631

Isaiah Thomas is out tonight.

http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2018/01/11/pre-game-news-notes-lowry-ibaka-big-cavs-visit/

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

January 12 2018 01:02 GMT

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JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

January 12 2018 01:58 GMT

#1633

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JimmyJRaynor

Canada17818 Posts

January 12 2018 02:03 GMT

#1634

Lowry for Mirotec and 2 chicago deep dish pizzas...

BlackJack

United States10574 Posts

January 12 2018 02:16 GMT

#1635

Cavs defense is so trash. Opp eFG% of 53.9%. That's tied with the '96-'97 Celtics for the 5th worst all-time. Celtics finished with a record of 15-67 that season. It's actually remarkable that they are the 3rd seed with a historically bad defense.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

January 12 2018 02:39 GMT

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