I kinda feel like the reason the Celtics got rid of him so fast was their belief that the hip was going to be an ongoing issue and the dude's only 5'7 and a heavy defensive liability.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

January 12 2018 04:14 GMT

#1642

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JimmyJRaynor

Canada16711 Posts

January 12 2018 05:16 GMT

#1643

"if guys have agendas...", Tyron Lue.

so Lue is starting to go public with it. it'll be interesting to see how much more he hints at it.

Jerubaal

United States7684 Posts

January 12 2018 05:52 GMT

#1644

Who could possibly have an agenda on that team?

JimmyJRaynor

Canada16711 Posts

January 12 2018 06:02 GMT

#1645

if they keep getting annihilated every game we're going to find out.

Lorenzo Brown played 53 minutes today.
34 for the Misssissauga team. 19 for the Toronto team. LOL.

Twinkle Toes

United States3605 Posts

January 12 2018 14:05 GMT

#1646

Is it correct to assume that the JimmiC vs. Ace bet is off?

EDIT: I think after much back and forth, it is safe to assume that, as a result of the non-realization of the JimmiC vs. Ace debate on whether Wiggins is below average or average/above average, we cannot have any objective metrics to assess Wiggins value relative to the average NBA player, and, therefore, all post that makes a conclusion about Wiggins as either is ignorant and wrong.

Although I think JimmiC is still up for it, any takers for Ace's place? Any other Wiggins truther? JJ?

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

January 12 2018 15:42 GMT

#1647

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Twinkle Toes

United States3605 Posts

January 12 2018 15:47 GMT

#1648

Ok JimmiC, while waiting for JJ to take the challenge, I challenge you to a debate.

Durant has already surpassed Lebron as the best player in the NBA.

Debate or not?

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

January 12 2018 16:24 GMT

#1649

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JimmyJRaynor

Canada16711 Posts

January 12 2018 18:59 GMT

#1650

On January 12 2018 23:05 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Is it correct to assume that the JimmiC vs. Ace bet is off?

EDIT: I think after much back and forth, it is safe to assume that, as a result of the non-realization of the JimmiC vs. Ace debate on whether Wiggins is below average or average/above average, we cannot have any objective metrics to assess Wiggins value relative to the average NBA player, and, therefore, all post that makes a conclusion about Wiggins as either is ignorant and wrong.

Although I think JimmiC is still up for it, any takers for Ace's place? Any other Wiggins truther? JJ?

it is possible to judge players. a combination of metrics and direct observations can do this.

most metrics point to Wiggins being an improving, slightly below average starting small forward. as i've stated earlier he'll be average by the end of this year or early next year. i'll be surprised if Wiggins is still below average by the end of next year. someone cited VORP .. and its -0.1 .... ironically Wiggins RPM is identical to that.. its -0.1.

62% FT shooting is way below average.. that 32% 3P shooting is below average... 43% shooting is below average and 47.5% eFG is also below average... these #s are very similar to last year's #s. shooting is a part of any non-playmakers offense. And, Wiggins is not a primary ball carrier/distributor nor does he have the ability to be one. he is "ok" as an ad lib playmaker at SF compared to other SFs.

until the last few weeks/months Wiggins has never done enough outside of his below average shooting game to make up for this flaw. as a result, he has always been below average or worse.

from what i can tell, my position is that Wiggins is better than the guy who says he is "trash", However, my position is that Wiggins is worse than the guy who says he is "average to above average".

Since the first pre-season game of the year i've noted WIggins improved effort and better defense. Every Minnesota broadcasting crew member agrees with me. or maybe i agree with them? whatever. The metrics also agree. He went from -3.5 DRPM last year to -0.9 DRPM this year. and that -0.9 DRPM keeps improving. the metrics have correctly captured Wiggins continued improvements.

i think both VORP and RPM have Wiggins pretty much nailed... a slightly below average starting SF.
last i checked RPM had him as the 16th best starting SF. slightly below average.

EDIT: and RPM was just updated and Wiggins defense metric improved again. its -0.87.

JimmyJRaynor

Canada16711 Posts

January 12 2018 20:39 GMT

#1651

this is fucking hilarious

https://streamable.com/1z6ix

sigh-cam is my favourite raptor bench player.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

January 12 2018 22:20 GMT

#1652

Plenty of metrics can give you objective criteria. WP is based on an average player per position and goes from there.

Just read up on the the 4 factors of basketball. Or just look at BBall reference and the Efg, rebounding, TO, and FTA/FGA stats. Set each to league average. From there you'll find out a lot of basic information about players.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

January 12 2018 22:29 GMT

#1653

Masai definitely has done a good job.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

January 12 2018 23:13 GMT

#1654

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JimmyJRaynor

Canada16711 Posts

January 12 2018 23:22 GMT

#1655

i posted this 3 years ago.... i believe in Masai.

Tim & Sid are the best.

On January 13 2018 00:42 JimmiC wrote:
3. Raps win East

that's not a bold prediction. Toronto only has 1 more loss than Boson. The Raptors west coast road heavy schedule the first 38 games was brutal.

for the rest of the year the Raptors play lots of home games and will only need a team bus to travel to almost all road games.

i have the Atlantic as a 50/50 coin flip between Toronto and Boston.
Cleveland is dead.

Twinkle Toes

United States3605 Posts

January 13 2018 02:31 GMT

#1656

On January 13 2018 01:24 JimmiC wrote:
Is your premise for one series in this years playoffs? Or the person you would most want to have on your team going forward?

Would is be a reasonable statement to say that there is always a best player in the league at any given season?

If so, it is KD for me, and has been so since last season.

But I'm not a math guy, so I wouldn't know how to properly qualify this other than the numbers that are readily available.

Yaqoob

Canada3328 Posts

January 13 2018 03:06 GMT

#1657

Fan just got ejected by security from the GSW vs MIL game because of something he said to Klay Thompson after he was fouled and fell down near the basket. I wonder if Thompson will mention what was said to him.

JimmyJRaynor

Canada16711 Posts

January 13 2018 03:15 GMT

#1658

this might be a good new show.
http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releases/2018/01/espn-kobe-bryants-granity-studios-team-new-basketball-analysis-show-detail/

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

January 13 2018 03:19 GMT

#1659

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Twinkle Toes

United States3605 Posts

January 13 2018 03:24 GMT

#1660

On January 13 2018 12:06 Yaqoob wrote:
Fan just got ejected by security from the GSW vs MIL game because of something he said to Klay Thompson after he was fouled and fell down near the basket. I wonder if Thompson will mention what was said to him.

Is it just me or are there more player fan interaction now than before?