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brinepumps
Profile Joined February 2015
Indonesia753 Posts
August 16 2017 22:23 GMT
#521
Asensio gonna win Ballon d'or one day, what a talent
"if you don't believe you can do it, then you have no chance at all" - Arsene Wenger
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
August 17 2017 01:30 GMT
#522
On August 17 2017 06:39 Faruko wrote:
Are people going to keep doubting Zidane ? At this point we might as well change the name from football to Zidane honestly.

The greatest ever

So Zidane can't be doubted but Pep will always be? =D

Didn't watch the game, I didn't have the faith to wake up at 5 for that. What a goal from Asensio... Now I'm curious to see what Real can do this season. Because after all, this is still pre-season games. I want to see how they deal with defeat, because that's how you know how strong your whole squad really is. Until now, they've been running on confidence (these goals are the perfect proof), like they can never lose. Last year they were close from losing a few points but then Ramos header or whatever last minute goal. This won't happen every year.

On the other hand Barça is quite sad. I'm not sure how much dynamic Coutinho and Dembélé can bring to the team. Maybe this 5-1 will be a nice wake up call, like the 4-1 + Pasillo in 2008. I don't have that much hope with this president and a coach that doesn't seem to the rebel type.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
August 17 2017 01:43 GMT
#523
I mean pep doubters are also awful.

Hes been having a pretty rough time with city but besides that pretty good overall, i do think Pep spending has been extremely terrible in City
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 17 2017 03:32 GMT
#524
On August 16 2017 15:40 sharkie wrote:
So your answer is because fixing your defense is easier than making your offense perform every game?

Well the first step to winning is not losing This is particularly true in cup matches though due to the knock-out component. As long as you don't lose, you win.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2115 Posts
August 17 2017 06:40 GMT
#525
The thing I have been doubtful about Zidane is his adaptibility and ability to actually build the team past the existing lineup, but at least for Asensio that part seems to be progressing more than alright. I'm still going to hold my biggest praise until the season gets a bit further, but so far it's very impressive.

Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
August 17 2017 07:33 GMT
#526
On August 17 2017 10:43 Faruko wrote:
I mean pep doubters are also awful.

Hes been having a pretty rough time with city but besides that pretty good overall, i do think Pep spending has been extremely terrible in City

Pep spending bad? He is trying to buy Jonny Evans im pretty sure he knows what he is doing
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-17 12:04:00
August 17 2017 12:03 GMT
#527
Even before the Premier League got round to the traditional kick-off time, 13 goals had been scored in two games. A total of 31 goals were scored over the opening weekend as the first three of last season’s top six to play all conceded three. Take that, Spain, with your Cristiano Ronaldo controversies! Take that, Italy, with your resurgent Milan! Take that, Germany, with your finely tuned pressing structures! Take that, France, with your Neymar, your Bielsa and your Balotelli! For drama and giggling hilarity, the Premier League remains king.

It’s not king, obviously, if you want success in the Champions League. Nor is it king if you want to develop young players for the national side. And it’s certainly not king if you believe football clubs should have a pastoral role towards the communities they at least nominally represent. But for excitement and spectacle, for the sense that any daft thing could happen at any moment, it still rules.

That’s partly to do with the number of high-quality managers and players in the league, it’s partly to do with a general competitiveness and it’s a lot to do with the fact that a number of the top sides simply cannot defend. Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea all have major issues to resolve before a weekend in which they face Stoke, Crystal Palace and Tottenham, all sides who have troubled them in the recent past.

To an extent, the defensive chaos is the result of changes in the laws of the game. It’s harder to defend now than it was 20 or 30 years ago. Back lines cannot simply push up in the knowledge that any opposing player in behind them will be called offside. Shinji Okazaki’s goal against Arsenal, for instance, would not have counted under any but the most recent interpretation of the law: he was offside as the cross came in but not as Harry Maguire headed the ball back across goal. That means both that modern defenders have to be much more capable of reacting to specific circumstances and that they sit deeper, leaving more room in midfield for skilful players to create.

At the same time, cynical fouls are punished far more harshly now than ever before. It’s still possible for teams to break up games with rotational fouling around the halfway line, but it’s far harder than it used to be. There’s almost an expectation now with every foul that it will bring a booking. Intimidation has all but vanished from the game and it’s not possible for defenders to cover for a mistake by hauling down their opponent – or at least not more than once.

Both of those are, of course, hugely positive developments; for everything else that has gone wrong with the game’s governance over the past couple of decades, the law changes have been broadly positive, encouraging teams actually to play the game.

There are also wider tactical issues. Valeriy Lobanovskyi’s demand for the “universal player” and Pep Guardiola’s related comment that he dreams of a side of 11 midfielders may be the abstract concerns of the very elite, but the mentality has percolated the game. There’s not merely an expectation now that defenders should be able to pass, but a growing acceptance that if they can pass it may not matter too much if they aren’t especially good at more traditional defensive skills such as heading, marking and tackling.

The central defender as auxiliary playmaker is a core tenet of the Cruyffian line of thinking that has shaped the modern landscape, from Ronald Koeman and Frank Rijkaard to Javier Mascherano and David Alaba. It’s why the likes of John Stones and David Luiz are excused their lapses, and why Arsenal on Friday started with a back three featuring two left-backs.

Almost all full-backs these days, meanwhile, are in effect wing-backs. It’s a crude measure but, last weekend, players who started as full-backs or wing-backs in the Premier League made 83 tackles and put in 123 crosses; their job is increasingly to provide attacking width rather than simply to defend. That, inevitably, can create issues: Hoffenheim’s penalty against Liverpool on Tuesday night, for instance, came because Alberto Moreno closed down the goalkeeper, leaving a huge gap on the left side when the ball was played beyond him.

The recent preference for a back three is in part a reaction to the attacking nature of modern full-backs, but the mentality often seems to be that the extra body can hide defensive flaws – only for them then to be exposed by savvy opponents.

But it’s not a coincidence that the Premier League has become the global home of shambolic defending. That seems a natural consequence of the soap opera of the market, the endless lust for new signings. A lot of defending is about drilling, about the same players – not just defenders – doing the same thing over and over and over again until they learn the patterns of interaction that maintain a shape that is difficult to break down. If there is constant flux in a squad, it becomes almost impossible to build up any level of familiarity.

Virgil van Dijk is an excellent defender but if he joins Liverpool today, they won’t suddenly become a side with an excellent defence. There will have to be time spent familiarising himself with the pressing game Klopp favours, getting used to how the full-backs push forward, to how his fellow centre-backs like to play, how Liverpool’s midfield reacts to situations. Dejan Lovren, it may be recalled, also left Southampton with a fine reputation and Liverpool remain far from secure at the back.

But it’s not just Liverpool where that’s an issue. It’s as though English football exists in such a swirl of comings and goings that the idea of working things out on the training pitch doesn’t exist any more. The one manager who did do that last season, Antonio Conte, now has to handle a squad that appears weirdly fraught and demoralised, a situation exacerbated by his own clear dissatisfaction at a lack of signings.

That’s an internal political issue; for a number of others, though, now might be a good time to start addressing basic flaws of concentration and structure.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-17 12:08:49
August 17 2017 12:08 GMT
#528
On August 17 2017 16:33 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2017 10:43 Faruko wrote:
I mean pep doubters are also awful.

Hes been having a pretty rough time with city but besides that pretty good overall, i do think Pep spending has been extremely terrible in City

Pep spending bad? He is trying to buy Jonny Evans im pretty sure he knows what he is doing

that can´t be true

edit: ok, it is...

i have no words
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
August 17 2017 16:33 GMT
#529
http://www.cdf.cl/cdf/internacional/paulinho-tuvo-problemas-para-dominar-el-balon/2017-08-17/101646.html

LMAO PAULINHO
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
August 17 2017 19:27 GMT
#530
From Copenhagen v Qarabag: https://streamable.com/rns3p

no foul, no card, post game protest rejected and no appeal possible until after 2nd leg, go Uefa
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
August 17 2017 19:31 GMT
#531
There was a ref STANDING RIGHT IN FRONT AND HE DIDNT SEE SHIT ?

nice dude
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
August 17 2017 19:33 GMT
#532
Yeah I didn't even notice that until watching it again five minutes later, then again when have goalline assistants ever had more than decorative purposes
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28910 Posts
August 17 2017 21:40 GMT
#533
the ref not seeing it is one thing, but how can they reject the post game protest?

Also wow, Rosenborg beats ajax 1-0 in amsterdam!!
we were lucky not to concede, had a great goalie, ajax did a poor job finishing, but that was still a really solid away match on our behalf. Being in mid-season is a pretty big advantage, too, we were significantly better the second half.

Also funny how the goal was scored by a player we bought 2 days ago, scoring potentially one of the most important goals of the past decade 8 minutes after being subbed on.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 18 2017 00:44 GMT
#534
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-18 12:54:16
August 18 2017 12:53 GMT
#535
Impressive from Rosenborg. Going to be rough for ajax to qualify now. Didn't see the match, but looking at the Dutch comments it looked like Rosenborg fully deserved the win.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6322 Posts
August 18 2017 15:39 GMT
#536
Pathetic from Ajax. The goal was due to a huge blunder by Veltman... Our transfer policy this year is nuts. We're basically selli g the whole team. A defense of Veltman, De Ligt, Viergever and Dijks is aweful. De Ligt is the only good player of those 4 but he's 18.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
August 18 2017 17:59 GMT
#537
Matuidi for 20m is horrible business, well done Juve.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-18 20:29:11
August 18 2017 20:03 GMT
#538
First VAR use in Bundesliga results in Bayern being awarded a penalty. Off the ball hold/tug that was easy to miss and felt like very quick decision.

vid: https://streamable.com/cakug https://streamable.com/ltg0z

Play stopped shortly after incident due to throw-in, all in all roughly 30 secs, I like
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18761 Posts
August 18 2017 20:08 GMT
#539
awesome implementation
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
August 18 2017 20:09 GMT
#540
Yeah that was pretty cool, don't know how ref missed it originally personally but still justice prevailed after the ball went out of play and 30 seconds to make a simple good decision.
NICE!
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