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lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
July 14 2017 14:18 GMT
#6381
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
July 14 2017 14:25 GMT
#6382
Bonucci to Milan wow, can't believe Juve is willing to agree to that.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-14 14:39:06
July 14 2017 14:31 GMT
#6383
There are rumours that he started a row in dressing room during halftime of CL final by insulting Dybala and when Barzagli tried to defend him demended Allegri to sub in Cuardado for Barzagli. Also allegedly him and Allegri don't like each.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
July 14 2017 14:36 GMT
#6384
On July 14 2017 23:31 lprk wrote:
There are rumours that he started a row in dressing room during halftime of CL final by insulting Dybala and when Barzagli tried to defend him demended Allegri to sub in Cuardado for Barzagli.

I could see that being reason to get rid of him, but selling him to the competition? Seems weird
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
July 14 2017 14:44 GMT
#6385
On July 14 2017 23:36 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 23:31 lprk wrote:
There are rumours that he started a row in dressing room during halftime of CL final by insulting Dybala and when Barzagli tried to defend him demended Allegri to sub in Cuardado for Barzagli.

I could see that being reason to get rid of him, but selling him to the competition? Seems weird

His son had some serious health problems so likely he wanted to stay in Italy.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
July 14 2017 14:53 GMT
#6386
Bonucci? Small fry. Let's talk about the real deal : Kyle Walker and his precious English passport going to city for only £45 millions!
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-14 15:00:52
July 14 2017 14:54 GMT
#6387
On July 14 2017 23:53 nojok wrote:
Bonucci? Small fry. Let's talk about the real deal : Kyle Walker and his precious English passport going to city for only £45 millions!

It's £53m, a world record for a defender. I wonder if Pande still thinks Levy would accept £100m for Kane.

edit: not that I'm happy about the deal. Strengthening a direct rival is idiotic, especially when we all know that Levy will pretend to go after a suitable replacement only to sign someone from the Belorussian fifth division on deadline day for £500k.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-14 15:03:42
July 14 2017 15:03 GMT
#6388
No need for Kane to go yanited now and that was the only club in England i would see him going too. He aint going to any London club so that rules out Chelsea. City aren't big enough and they are find in that set up. So unless Real comes in for him or Kane really has a bust up in Spurs he is staying there for a while now.

Also i like how Chelsea fans are in deep panic over not signing anyone even though we have signed 2 players soon to be 3....Spurs not even signed anyone yet and have lost a player who was in the starting 11 for most of the season. Ouch
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
July 14 2017 15:31 GMT
#6389
It's not as if Spurs need wholesale changes, though. Most goals scored and fewest conceded in the PL, so the starting XI is fine aside from a Walker replacement. Walker lost his job to Trippier but I think that was more down to a rift between him and Poch. Trippier is mediocre so hopefully a better RB comes in.

What Spurs need is quality depth in the squad. The CL group stage was brutal because any rotation meant a huge drop in quality.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-14 21:42:26
July 14 2017 16:20 GMT
#6390
On July 15 2017 00:31 city42 wrote:


What Spurs need is quality depth in the squad. The CL group stage was brutal because any rotation meant a huge drop in quality.


Thats the keyword, Spurs were the best team in the league on their day pretty much as good as Chelsea at their best but they had a few too many games where they didnt turn up and fatigue, more so mental than physical (but ofcourse both) had alot to do with it.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
July 14 2017 16:20 GMT
#6391
On July 15 2017 00:03 Pandemona wrote:
No need for Kane to go yanited now and that was the only club in England i would see him going too. He aint going to any London club so that rules out Chelsea. City aren't big enough and they are find in that set up. So unless Real comes in for him or Kane really has a bust up in Spurs he is staying there for a while now.

Also i like how Chelsea fans are in deep panic over not signing anyone even though we have signed 2 players soon to be 3....Spurs not even signed anyone yet and have lost a player who was in the starting 11 for most of the season. Ouch


Who cares about the others. Just cuz spurs is having a quiet window so far doesn't mean ours is going smoothly. We're suppose to be adding quality and quantity to our squad to compete in Europe, but we're just replacing at the moment and the upgrade is not there yet. We were very lucky last season in that we had relatively few injuries, so we really need to do something about the thin squad.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
July 14 2017 17:31 GMT
#6392
On July 15 2017 01:20 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 00:31 city42 wrote:


What Spurs need is quality depth in the squad. The CL group stage was brutal because any rotation meant a huge drop in quality.


Thats the keyword, Spurs were the best team in the league on their pretty much as good as Chelsea at their best but they had a few too many games where they didnt turn up and fatigue, more so mental than physical (but ofcourse both) had alot to do with it.

They still did not make it out of a CL group made of Leverkusen, Monaco and CSKA Moscow...
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 14 2017 19:21 GMT
#6393
On July 15 2017 01:20 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 00:03 Pandemona wrote:
No need for Kane to go yanited now and that was the only club in England i would see him going too. He aint going to any London club so that rules out Chelsea. City aren't big enough and they are find in that set up. So unless Real comes in for him or Kane really has a bust up in Spurs he is staying there for a while now.

Also i like how Chelsea fans are in deep panic over not signing anyone even though we have signed 2 players soon to be 3....Spurs not even signed anyone yet and have lost a player who was in the starting 11 for most of the season. Ouch


Who cares about the others. Just cuz spurs is having a quiet window so far doesn't mean ours is going smoothly. We're suppose to be adding quality and quantity to our squad to compete in Europe, but we're just replacing at the moment and the upgrade is not there yet. We were very lucky last season in that we had relatively few injuries, so we really need to do something about the thin squad.

Window is far from over though lets not get to pessimistic! Clear to see that Conte is pulling the strings here though on players which is only good for us. Last year the press were no where near any of our signings minus Kante. Luiz Alonso all came in without the press getting a sniff. So don't worry to much yet
Chinese window has now shut too so that should drive the prices down for the likes of Augamon, but not sure if he is a Conte player and good enough
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18634 Posts
July 14 2017 19:56 GMT
#6394
On July 14 2017 23:54 city42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 23:53 nojok wrote:
Bonucci? Small fry. Let's talk about the real deal : Kyle Walker and his precious English passport going to city for only £45 millions!

It's £53m, a world record for a defender. I wonder if Pande still thinks Levy would accept £100m for Kane.

edit: not that I'm happy about the deal. Strengthening a direct rival is idiotic, especially when we all know that Levy will pretend to go after a suitable replacement only to sign someone from the Belorussian fifth division on deadline day for £500k.


lol, Guardiola loves spending record money on mediocre defenders
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
July 14 2017 20:16 GMT
#6395
On July 15 2017 02:31 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 01:20 Rebs wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:31 city42 wrote:


What Spurs need is quality depth in the squad. The CL group stage was brutal because any rotation meant a huge drop in quality.


Thats the keyword, Spurs were the best team in the league on their pretty much as good as Chelsea at their best but they had a few too many games where they didnt turn up and fatigue, more so mental than physical (but ofcourse both) had alot to do with it.

They still did not make it out of a CL group made of Leverkusen, Monaco and CSKA Moscow...


I am not sure what the point is here.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
July 14 2017 20:32 GMT
#6396
On July 15 2017 05:16 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 02:31 nojok wrote:
On July 15 2017 01:20 Rebs wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:31 city42 wrote:


What Spurs need is quality depth in the squad. The CL group stage was brutal because any rotation meant a huge drop in quality.


Thats the keyword, Spurs were the best team in the league on their pretty much as good as Chelsea at their best but they had a few too many games where they didnt turn up and fatigue, more so mental than physical (but ofcourse both) had alot to do with it.

They still did not make it out of a CL group made of Leverkusen, Monaco and CSKA Moscow...


I am not sure what the point is here.

I'm just doubting they were the best team in the league if they could not even qualify against two average European teams.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-14 21:00:26
July 14 2017 20:39 GMT
#6397
Spurs in Europe is like Spurs players in England shirt. They go missing like Arsenal do in February :S it's a mystery xd
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-15 05:45:40
July 14 2017 21:48 GMT
#6398
On July 15 2017 05:32 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 05:16 Rebs wrote:
On July 15 2017 02:31 nojok wrote:
On July 15 2017 01:20 Rebs wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:31 city42 wrote:


What Spurs need is quality depth in the squad. The CL group stage was brutal because any rotation meant a huge drop in quality.


Thats the keyword, Spurs were the best team in the league on their pretty much as good as Chelsea at their best but they had a few too many games where they didnt turn up and fatigue, more so mental than physical (but ofcourse both) had alot to do with it.

They still did not make it out of a CL group made of Leverkusen, Monaco and CSKA Moscow...


I am not sure what the point is here.

I'm just doubting they were the best team in the league if they could not even qualify against two average European teams.


They werent the best team in the league, Chelsea was the best team in the league. The point was that their peak performances were as good if not better than Chelsea on their day which is more than can be said for the rest of the league. The issue was depth and maintaining consistency in said performances.

A poor showing in Europe:

1) builds into the narrative that their lack of depth was an issue
2) Really should have no bearing on how we judge their performances in the league (barring the caveat that it may have, if anything, affected league performance negatively. Again the lack of depth)

Regardless whatever happens in Europe is in Europe. Using European performance to benchmark a team in league play is completely irrelevant in this case. Maybe if you wanted to compare teams across leagues it would matter.

After all there was a team few years ago that came in 6th or (was it 7th? dont remember, dont care) in the league, that won in Europe. Wh\ere they the best team in the league? Then? Pande will tell you they were. Do you think so to ?
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
July 15 2017 03:05 GMT
#6399
On July 15 2017 02:31 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 01:20 Rebs wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:31 city42 wrote:


What Spurs need is quality depth in the squad. The CL group stage was brutal because any rotation meant a huge drop in quality.


Thats the keyword, Spurs were the best team in the league on their pretty much as good as Chelsea at their best but they had a few too many games where they didnt turn up and fatigue, more so mental than physical (but ofcourse both) had alot to do with it.

They still did not make it out of a CL group made of Leverkusen, Monaco and CSKA Moscow...

As I already said, Pochettino rotated the squad for CL games, and the Spurs squad outside of the starting XI is mediocre at best. He tended to rest Dembele and Wanyama (the starting midfield pair) and rotated the full backs. Kane was also missing for some of the group stage games, and his replacement Janssen played like Soldado 2.0.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
July 15 2017 07:53 GMT
#6400
On July 15 2017 12:05 city42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 02:31 nojok wrote:
On July 15 2017 01:20 Rebs wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:31 city42 wrote:


What Spurs need is quality depth in the squad. The CL group stage was brutal because any rotation meant a huge drop in quality.


Thats the keyword, Spurs were the best team in the league on their pretty much as good as Chelsea at their best but they had a few too many games where they didnt turn up and fatigue, more so mental than physical (but ofcourse both) had alot to do with it.

They still did not make it out of a CL group made of Leverkusen, Monaco and CSKA Moscow...

As I already said, Pochettino rotated the squad for CL games, and the Spurs squad outside of the starting XI is mediocre at best. He tended to rest Dembele and Wanyama (the starting midfield pair) and rotated the full backs. Kane was also missing for some of the group stage games, and his replacement Janssen played like Soldado 2.0.

I checked and you're right, there were a lot of no names in their CL games.

I hope they keep playing around Eriksen, he's almost like an old school 10.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
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