On August 12 2013 22:28 Pandemona wrote: LOL So winning the FA Cup qualifies you for which cup? Europa isn't loser cup to the teams who genuine qualify into it and take it serious, and it is a European competition none the less playing teams from across Europe.
But anyway not the point. Wigan are still in the Championship, have lost their only goal scorer and the new manager has a completely different philosophy to the predecessor. I see that as a missed opportunity for Yanited to run riot on them and send out an early statement to other teams.
I'm not saying that Moyes is going to be good, maybe he won't, but this is a typical statement from someone who i assume hasn't followed football for very long. I say this because you don't seem to appreciate how rare it is a team runs riot on another and scores a silly 6/7 goals that i guess you and some of the media expected of a Moyes team. In reality you have to be consistently winners not consistently "running riot" and "sending messages", the reason why Liverpool and arsenal have struggled. Playing beautiful football and quoting possession stats means nothing if you don't produce results. Thats why Wigan won, they didn't play in a way than ran riot, they just knuckle down and ground out two good results against everton and man city. My point being that football is about winning not playing in an eye pleasing way, and is the reason you get so many upsets in cup competitions.
Did you just try to call out Pan for not knowing his football?
Who the fuck are you?
I mean yea, Pan is a bashit-crazy Chelsea fanboy, but he contributes to football threads on TL more than anyone else here and, even if he can be wrong sometimes (just like everyone) he knows his football, especially English football.
So because he contributes he can't be wrong? I'm sorry if i touched nerve but hes not the only one to know about English football, a lot of us English grew up on it from birth. And its fine for him to try, but i am going to defend if someone tries what he is. That is to write off Moyes based upon a few pre season games with the youth squad and to say that winning the charity shield was a sign of Moyes struggling (hu?). I was simply defending the man utd way, which is that we don't always win pretty, but we do always win. Which other clubs don't seem to get, and its why we are so successful.
On August 12 2013 22:28 Pandemona wrote: LOL So winning the FA Cup qualifies you for which cup? Europa isn't loser cup to the teams who genuine qualify into it and take it serious, and it is a European competition none the less playing teams from across Europe.
But anyway not the point. Wigan are still in the Championship, have lost their only goal scorer and the new manager has a completely different philosophy to the predecessor. I see that as a missed opportunity for Yanited to run riot on them and send out an early statement to other teams.
I'm not saying that Moyes is going to be good, maybe he won't, but this is a typical statement from someone who i assume hasn't followed football for very long. I say this because you don't seem to appreciate how rare it is a team runs riot on another and scores a silly 6/7 goals that i guess you and some of the media expected of a Moyes team. In reality you have to be consistently winners not consistently "running riot" and "sending messages", the reason why Liverpool and arsenal have struggled. Playing beautiful football and quoting possession stats means nothing if you don't produce results. Thats why Wigan won, they didn't play in a way than ran riot, they just knuckle down and ground out two good results against everton and man city. My point being that football is about winning not playing in an eye pleasing way, and is the reason you get so many upsets in cup competitions.
Did you just try to call out Pan for not knowing his football?
Who the fuck are you?
I mean yea, Pan is a bashit-crazy Chelsea fanboy, but he contributes to football threads on TL more than anyone else here and, even if he can be wrong sometimes (just like everyone) he knows his football, especially English football.
So because he contributes he can't be wrong? I'm sorry if i touched nerve but hes not the only one to know about English football, a lot of us English grew up on it from birth. And its fine for him to try, but i am going to defend if someone tries what he is. That is to write off Moyes based upon a few pre season games with the youth squad and to say that winning the charity shield was a sign of Moyes struggling (hu?). I was simply defending the man utd way, which is that we don't always win pretty, but we do always win. Which other clubs don't seem to get, and its why we are so successful.
Stratos calls you out because you personally attack Pandemona by saying he hasn't followed football very long which is obviously not true if you had followed this thread.
On August 12 2013 22:28 Pandemona wrote: LOL So winning the FA Cup qualifies you for which cup? Europa isn't loser cup to the teams who genuine qualify into it and take it serious, and it is a European competition none the less playing teams from across Europe.
But anyway not the point. Wigan are still in the Championship, have lost their only goal scorer and the new manager has a completely different philosophy to the predecessor. I see that as a missed opportunity for Yanited to run riot on them and send out an early statement to other teams.
I'm not saying that Moyes is going to be good, maybe he won't, but this is a typical statement from someone who i assume hasn't followed football for very long. I say this because you don't seem to appreciate how rare it is a team runs riot on another and scores a silly 6/7 goals that i guess you and some of the media expected of a Moyes team. In reality you have to be consistently winners not consistently "running riot" and "sending messages", the reason why Liverpool and arsenal have struggled. Playing beautiful football and quoting possession stats means nothing if you don't produce results. Thats why Wigan won, they didn't play in a way than ran riot, they just knuckle down and ground out two good results against everton and man city. My point being that football is about winning not playing in an eye pleasing way, and is the reason you get so many upsets in cup competitions.
Did you just try to call out Pan for not knowing his football?
Who the fuck are you?
I mean yea, Pan is a bashit-crazy Chelsea fanboy, but he contributes to football threads on TL more than anyone else here and, even if he can be wrong sometimes (just like everyone) he knows his football, especially English football.
So because he contributes he can't be wrong? I'm sorry if i touched nerve but hes not the only one to know about English football, a lot of us English grew up on it from birth. And its fine for him to try, but i am going to defend if someone tries what he is. That is to write off Moyes based upon a few pre season games with the youth squad and to say that winning the charity shield was a sign of Moyes struggling (hu?). I was simply defending the man utd way, which is that we don't always win pretty, but we do always win. Which other clubs don't seem to get, and its why we are so successful.
If you want to criticize Pan for being wrong, go ahead; all of us have done that. However, leave the condescending remarks ("but this is a typical statement from someone who i assume hasn't followed football for very long") at the door. You're in no position to make comments like that to Pan, or most anyone in this thread.
I don't mean to bash you over the head and be horrible about this, but it's just good to keep this thread clean. Disagreements are fine, but personal attacks about football knowledge lead to condescension, arrogance, and degenerate this thread into the cesspool that it becomes all too often. We're all guilty of doing this in the past and we should try to avoid that in the future.
On August 12 2013 22:28 Pandemona wrote: LOL So winning the FA Cup qualifies you for which cup? Europa isn't loser cup to the teams who genuine qualify into it and take it serious, and it is a European competition none the less playing teams from across Europe.
But anyway not the point. Wigan are still in the Championship, have lost their only goal scorer and the new manager has a completely different philosophy to the predecessor. I see that as a missed opportunity for Yanited to run riot on them and send out an early statement to other teams.
I'm not saying that Moyes is going to be good, maybe he won't, but this is a typical statement from someone who i assume hasn't followed football for very long. I say this because you don't seem to appreciate how rare it is a team runs riot on another and scores a silly 6/7 goals that i guess you and some of the media expected of a Moyes team. In reality you have to be consistently winners not consistently "running riot" and "sending messages", the reason why Liverpool and arsenal have struggled. Playing beautiful football and quoting possession stats means nothing if you don't produce results. Thats why Wigan won, they didn't play in a way than ran riot, they just knuckle down and ground out two good results against everton and man city. My point being that football is about winning not playing in an eye pleasing way, and is the reason you get so many upsets in cup competitions.
Did you just try to call out Pan for not knowing his football?
Who the fuck are you?
I mean yea, Pan is a bashit-crazy Chelsea fanboy, but he contributes to football threads on TL more than anyone else here and, even if he can be wrong sometimes (just like everyone) he knows his football, especially English football.
So because he contributes he can't be wrong? I'm sorry if i touched nerve but hes not the only one to know about English football, a lot of us English grew up on it from birth. And its fine for him to try, but i am going to defend if someone tries what he is. That is to write off Moyes based upon a few pre season games with the youth squad and to say that winning the charity shield was a sign of Moyes struggling (hu?). I was simply defending the man utd way, which is that we don't always win pretty, but we do always win. Which other clubs don't seem to get, and its why we are so successful.
If you want to criticize Pan for being wrong, go ahead; all of us have done that. However, leave the condescending remarks ("but this is a typical statement from someone who i assume hasn't followed football for very long") at the door. You're in no position to make comments like that to Pan, or most anyone in this thread.
I don't mean to bash you over the head and be horrible about this, but it's just good to keep this thread clean. Disagreements are fine, but personal attacks about football knowledge lead to condescension, arrogance, and degenerate this thread into the cesspool that it becomes all too often. We're all guilty of doing this in the past and we should try to avoid that in the future.
In no position to make comments like that? what does that even mean? I think you're getting a bit carried away with this. I was simply saying that his over-analysis of a few pre-season games is typical of someone who doesn't follow football not that pan knows nothing about football. To leap to the idea that i made a personal attack on pan is just sensationalist. I was even careful with the language by using the word assumption, both of you get off my back please. You and RVB turning this thread nasty for no reason.
On August 12 2013 22:28 Pandemona wrote: LOL So winning the FA Cup qualifies you for which cup? Europa isn't loser cup to the teams who genuine qualify into it and take it serious, and it is a European competition none the less playing teams from across Europe.
But anyway not the point. Wigan are still in the Championship, have lost their only goal scorer and the new manager has a completely different philosophy to the predecessor. I see that as a missed opportunity for Yanited to run riot on them and send out an early statement to other teams.
I'm not saying that Moyes is going to be good, maybe he won't, but this is a typical statement from someone who i assume hasn't followed football for very long. I say this because you don't seem to appreciate how rare it is a team runs riot on another and scores a silly 6/7 goals that i guess you and some of the media expected of a Moyes team. In reality you have to be consistently winners not consistently "running riot" and "sending messages", the reason why Liverpool and arsenal have struggled. Playing beautiful football and quoting possession stats means nothing if you don't produce results. Thats why Wigan won, they didn't play in a way than ran riot, they just knuckle down and ground out two good results against everton and man city. My point being that football is about winning not playing in an eye pleasing way, and is the reason you get so many upsets in cup competitions.
Did you just try to call out Pan for not knowing his football?
Who the fuck are you?
I mean yea, Pan is a bashit-crazy Chelsea fanboy, but he contributes to football threads on TL more than anyone else here and, even if he can be wrong sometimes (just like everyone) he knows his football, especially English football.
So because he contributes he can't be wrong? I'm sorry if i touched nerve but hes not the only one to know about English football, a lot of us English grew up on it from birth. And its fine for him to try, but i am going to defend if someone tries what he is. That is to write off Moyes based upon a few pre season games with the youth squad and to say that winning the charity shield was a sign of Moyes struggling (hu?). I was simply defending the man utd way, which is that we don't always win pretty, but we do always win. Which other clubs don't seem to get, and its why we are so successful.
If you want to criticize Pan for being wrong, go ahead; all of us have done that. However, leave the condescending remarks ("but this is a typical statement from someone who i assume hasn't followed football for very long") at the door. You're in no position to make comments like that to Pan, or most anyone in this thread.
I don't mean to bash you over the head and be horrible about this, but it's just good to keep this thread clean. Disagreements are fine, but personal attacks about football knowledge lead to condescension, arrogance, and degenerate this thread into the cesspool that it becomes all too often. We're all guilty of doing this in the past and we should try to avoid that in the future.
In no position to make comments like that? what does that even mean? I think you're getting a bit carried away with this. I was simply saying that the over-analysis of a few pre-season games is typical of someone who doesn't follow football, to leap to the idea that i made a personal attack on pan is just sensationalist. I was even careful with the language by using the word assumption, both of you get off my back please. You and RVB turning this thread nasty for no reason.
Alright, whatever. I explained why you shouldn't make comments like that since they are clearly condescending, but if you want to be an arrogant dick, go ahead. Comments like "those statements are usually made by people who haven't followed football for long" serve absolutely no purpose besides talking down to whoever they are spoken to, and when you do it to the biggest contributor to this entire sub-forum, then it's just obnoxious.
On August 12 2013 22:28 Pandemona wrote: LOL So winning the FA Cup qualifies you for which cup? Europa isn't loser cup to the teams who genuine qualify into it and take it serious, and it is a European competition none the less playing teams from across Europe.
But anyway not the point. Wigan are still in the Championship, have lost their only goal scorer and the new manager has a completely different philosophy to the predecessor. I see that as a missed opportunity for Yanited to run riot on them and send out an early statement to other teams.
I'm not saying that Moyes is going to be good, maybe he won't, but this is a typical statement from someone who i assume hasn't followed football for very long. I say this because you don't seem to appreciate how rare it is a team runs riot on another and scores a silly 6/7 goals that i guess you and some of the media expected of a Moyes team. In reality you have to be consistently winners not consistently "running riot" and "sending messages", the reason why Liverpool and arsenal have struggled. Playing beautiful football and quoting possession stats means nothing if you don't produce results. Thats why Wigan won, they didn't play in a way than ran riot, they just knuckle down and ground out two good results against everton and man city. My point being that football is about winning not playing in an eye pleasing way, and is the reason you get so many upsets in cup competitions.
Did you just try to call out Pan for not knowing his football?
Who the fuck are you?
I mean yea, Pan is a bashit-crazy Chelsea fanboy, but he contributes to football threads on TL more than anyone else here and, even if he can be wrong sometimes (just like everyone) he knows his football, especially English football.
So because he contributes he can't be wrong? I'm sorry if i touched nerve but hes not the only one to know about English football, a lot of us English grew up on it from birth. And its fine for him to try, but i am going to defend if someone tries what he is. That is to write off Moyes based upon a few pre season games with the youth squad and to say that winning the charity shield was a sign of Moyes struggling (hu?). I was simply defending the man utd way, which is that we don't always win pretty, but we do always win. Which other clubs don't seem to get, and its why we are so successful.
If you want to criticize Pan for being wrong, go ahead; all of us have done that. However, leave the condescending remarks ("but this is a typical statement from someone who i assume hasn't followed football for very long") at the door. You're in no position to make comments like that to Pan, or most anyone in this thread.
I don't mean to bash you over the head and be horrible about this, but it's just good to keep this thread clean. Disagreements are fine, but personal attacks about football knowledge lead to condescension, arrogance, and degenerate this thread into the cesspool that it becomes all too often. We're all guilty of doing this in the past and we should try to avoid that in the future.
In no position to make comments like that? what does that even mean? I think you're getting a bit carried away with this. I was simply saying that the over-analysis of a few pre-season games is typical of someone who doesn't follow football, to leap to the idea that i made a personal attack on pan is just sensationalist. I was even careful with the language by using the word assumption, both of you get off my back please. You and RVB turning this thread nasty for no reason.
Alright, whatever. I explained why you shouldn't make comments like that since they are clearly condescending, but if you want to be an arrogant dick, go ahead. Comments like "those statements are usually made by people who haven't followed football for long" serve absolutely no purpose besides talking down to whoever they are spoken to, and when you do it to the biggest contributor to this entire sub-forum, then it's just obnoxious.
So I am the one who is saying things that "serve absolutely no purpose besides talking down to whoever they are spoken to" and making personal attacks, yet your the one who's called me an arrogant condescending obnoxious prick. Right. Do you not see that your just shit stirring and derailing this thread, and im forced to go under with you by defending myself, well done.
please take this to PM as none of this is relevant to the thread. and in the future, if you find yourself caught in the act of questioning someone's football competence or dedication, please try to restrain yourself, because the outcome will never be positive. your arguments speak for themselves, and if they do not, it is either because they are not constructed well enough or because they are arguing an invalid point.
I can't see only Liverpool and Spurs battling for Willian? Guy was awesome for Shakthar last season, surely more will want him.
Oh and this Eto move is very interesting :S @ 32 i think it will be a bit of gamble, but it seems to be Chelsea's back up plan if they can't get Rooney
holy shit eto'o are you kidding me?! I thought he was consigned to the history books as another pointless sellout like cavani hulk and falcao (i guess psg is more legit now). Seems there might be light at the end of the tunnel of his career?
EPT
. Hope he comes back before the CL begins.
