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On July 23 2016 06:55 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 06:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
It's super fun imo
I havent had a close friend's wedding in a while. I miss the circuit. Come play OW
I told you I'm not gonna be home till later
You just want to play with me because you're excited about seeing what the bottom is like
I am a tourist attraction
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On July 23 2016 05:40 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 03:24 Jek wrote:On July 23 2016 01:21 TheYango wrote:On July 23 2016 00:35 Jek wrote:On July 22 2016 17:53 Ketara wrote:
What do people use the fitness trackers for? To waste money and feel like they are working out at the level were you would actually benefit from one. Ehh, I think it's more that some people are more motivated to improve when they have arbitrary numbers to track their improvement, even if those numbers in and of themselves aren't actually useful to them. It's the same as how people want visible ratings to track their improvement in competitive games, even though having visible ratings wouldn't actually change their gameplay experience compared to having MMR hidden. Yeah. But the issue with these devices are they often make beginners pace themself way too hard. I legit run into at least one person hit by heat stroke each summer, it's always due to trying to push themself too hard and they always carry a metric fuckton of useless fitness devices strapped all over their body. I can understand the trackers, pulse meters etc if you got health issues and need to keep a close watch or you're training for competitive reasons and thus need the optimal results. But if it's just your hobby there's absolutely no reason to use them. Just listen to your body and google the length of your routes if you really want to measure it. It's the same when I see beginners start using whey immediately. Just. Eat. Balanced. Why piss (literally) away money when you in your current shape get all the protein you need in any sort of normal diet (and if you dont you really need to reconsider it if you want any sort of gains anyway). Yes I'm ranting. I don't think the whey thing goes along with the fitness apps thing at all since I can come up with plenty of legit reasons to consume it even if you aren't trying to attain a significantly developed physique(protein shake breakfast takes about 1 minute to make, tastes great, and is probably very cheap unless you're blending it with something insane), let alone if you are(a beginner is still going to want to hit their macros which especially for chronically skinny under eaters is easier by drinking some of those calories/protein). I guess I'm kind of ranting too. Maybe I fucked up drinking that whey when I started all this athletics shit, probably why I sill look so bad.
That's just being lazy and wasting money. Make some milk-based oatmeal and chop some almonds for toppings, for more "oomph" mix in egg and you have a healthier (and cheaper) protein rich meal, it'll keep your full for far longer than any shake based breakfast too. Truely a breakfast for champions. It doesn't take long to make, I'm an extreme B person and I can manage it, just cook it in a microwave for maximum ease. By replacing food with shakes also need to be very mindful on not missing out on important oils, fats, minerals and vitamins.
It's understandable for under eaters, people with various disorders etc to use suppliments even as they start out. I had to start using weightgainer daily when I started on medicine which have the sideeffect of weight loss for instance.
The only supplement I'd advice to any beginner is fish oil, actually I'd advice it to everyone it's way too good for your body to pass. Until you reach a certain muscle mass everything else you can easily gain from just eating real food.
I dated a sports dietitian for three years she probably managed to drill eating properly into my head a bit too much.
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Ayy reddit is blowing up with TSM picking up code 7.
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On July 23 2016 06:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 06:55 killerdog wrote:On July 23 2016 06:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
It's super fun imo
I havent had a close friend's wedding in a while. I miss the circuit. Come play OW I told you I'm not gonna be home till later You just want to play with me because you're excited about seeing what the bottom is like I am a tourist attraction
But you're our tourist attraction!
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On July 23 2016 07:28 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 05:40 red_ wrote:On July 23 2016 03:24 Jek wrote:On July 23 2016 01:21 TheYango wrote:On July 23 2016 00:35 Jek wrote:On July 22 2016 17:53 Ketara wrote:
What do people use the fitness trackers for? To waste money and feel like they are working out at the level were you would actually benefit from one. Ehh, I think it's more that some people are more motivated to improve when they have arbitrary numbers to track their improvement, even if those numbers in and of themselves aren't actually useful to them. It's the same as how people want visible ratings to track their improvement in competitive games, even though having visible ratings wouldn't actually change their gameplay experience compared to having MMR hidden. Yeah. But the issue with these devices are they often make beginners pace themself way too hard. I legit run into at least one person hit by heat stroke each summer, it's always due to trying to push themself too hard and they always carry a metric fuckton of useless fitness devices strapped all over their body. I can understand the trackers, pulse meters etc if you got health issues and need to keep a close watch or you're training for competitive reasons and thus need the optimal results. But if it's just your hobby there's absolutely no reason to use them. Just listen to your body and google the length of your routes if you really want to measure it. It's the same when I see beginners start using whey immediately. Just. Eat. Balanced. Why piss (literally) away money when you in your current shape get all the protein you need in any sort of normal diet (and if you dont you really need to reconsider it if you want any sort of gains anyway). Yes I'm ranting. I don't think the whey thing goes along with the fitness apps thing at all since I can come up with plenty of legit reasons to consume it even if you aren't trying to attain a significantly developed physique(protein shake breakfast takes about 1 minute to make, tastes great, and is probably very cheap unless you're blending it with something insane), let alone if you are(a beginner is still going to want to hit their macros which especially for chronically skinny under eaters is easier by drinking some of those calories/protein). I guess I'm kind of ranting too. Maybe I fucked up drinking that whey when I started all this athletics shit, probably why I sill look so bad. That's just being lazy and wasting money. Make some milk-based oatmeal and chop some almonds for toppings, for more "oomph" mix in egg and you have a healthier (and cheaper) protein rich meal, it'll keep your full for far longer than any shake based breakfast too. Truely a breakfast for champions. It doesn't take long to make, I'm an extreme B person and I can manage it, just cook it in a microwave for maximum ease. By replacing food with shakes also need to be very mindful on not missing out on important oils, fats, minerals and vitamins. It's understandable for under eaters, people with various disorders etc to use suppliments even as they start out. I had to start using weightgainer daily when I started on medicine which have the sideeffect of weight loss for instance. The only supplement I'd advice to any beginner is fish oil, actually I'd advice it to everyone it's way too good for your body to pass. Until you reach a certain muscle mass everything else you can easily gain from just eating real food. I dated a sports dietitian for three years she probably managed to drill eating properly into my head a bit too much.
I think you're underestimating the difficulty of having a planned diet.
If you live alone then it's easy to plan out meals for a week, cook in bulk, have 3-4 ingredient breakfasts etc. If you still live at home, good luck having those almonds still be there the next day for breakfast if someone was peckish at night, let alone being able to cook anything in bulk and not have it disappear the next second. And making yourself 3-4 meals a day separate from everyone else is a great way to get unpopular fast.
Sure ideally you're eating chicken twice a day, getting nuts, eggs, vegtables etc daily. But sometimes reality kicks in and all you can have is a plate of pasta for dinner or a slice of toast for breakfast. 
For those occasional days where the stars don't align and you can't get enough protein through normal meals after working out/training, what's wrong with just adding a protein shake or two to your day to make sure you hit your targets?
Besides, you can get 1kg of decent quality pure whey powder for under 170dkk easily enough if you buy when it's on sale. That's 50 20g milkshakes, or like <<4dkk each. Sure it's not a perfectly balanced diet, but if you spent 2 hours training the night before it's considerably better compared to a slice of white bread with whatever sugar-goop on top as breakfast fuel.
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On July 23 2016 09:04 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 07:28 Jek wrote:On July 23 2016 05:40 red_ wrote:On July 23 2016 03:24 Jek wrote:On July 23 2016 01:21 TheYango wrote:On July 23 2016 00:35 Jek wrote:On July 22 2016 17:53 Ketara wrote:
What do people use the fitness trackers for? To waste money and feel like they are working out at the level were you would actually benefit from one. Ehh, I think it's more that some people are more motivated to improve when they have arbitrary numbers to track their improvement, even if those numbers in and of themselves aren't actually useful to them. It's the same as how people want visible ratings to track their improvement in competitive games, even though having visible ratings wouldn't actually change their gameplay experience compared to having MMR hidden. Yeah. But the issue with these devices are they often make beginners pace themself way too hard. I legit run into at least one person hit by heat stroke each summer, it's always due to trying to push themself too hard and they always carry a metric fuckton of useless fitness devices strapped all over their body. I can understand the trackers, pulse meters etc if you got health issues and need to keep a close watch or you're training for competitive reasons and thus need the optimal results. But if it's just your hobby there's absolutely no reason to use them. Just listen to your body and google the length of your routes if you really want to measure it. It's the same when I see beginners start using whey immediately. Just. Eat. Balanced. Why piss (literally) away money when you in your current shape get all the protein you need in any sort of normal diet (and if you dont you really need to reconsider it if you want any sort of gains anyway). Yes I'm ranting. I don't think the whey thing goes along with the fitness apps thing at all since I can come up with plenty of legit reasons to consume it even if you aren't trying to attain a significantly developed physique(protein shake breakfast takes about 1 minute to make, tastes great, and is probably very cheap unless you're blending it with something insane), let alone if you are(a beginner is still going to want to hit their macros which especially for chronically skinny under eaters is easier by drinking some of those calories/protein). I guess I'm kind of ranting too. Maybe I fucked up drinking that whey when I started all this athletics shit, probably why I sill look so bad. That's just being lazy and wasting money. Make some milk-based oatmeal and chop some almonds for toppings, for more "oomph" mix in egg and you have a healthier (and cheaper) protein rich meal, it'll keep your full for far longer than any shake based breakfast too. Truely a breakfast for champions. It doesn't take long to make, I'm an extreme B person and I can manage it, just cook it in a microwave for maximum ease. By replacing food with shakes also need to be very mindful on not missing out on important oils, fats, minerals and vitamins. It's understandable for under eaters, people with various disorders etc to use suppliments even as they start out. I had to start using weightgainer daily when I started on medicine which have the sideeffect of weight loss for instance. The only supplement I'd advice to any beginner is fish oil, actually I'd advice it to everyone it's way too good for your body to pass. Until you reach a certain muscle mass everything else you can easily gain from just eating real food. I dated a sports dietitian for three years she probably managed to drill eating properly into my head a bit too much. I think you're underestimating the difficulty of having a planned diet. If you live alone then it's easy to plan out meals for a week, cook in bulk, have 3-4 ingredient breakfasts etc. If you still live at home, good luck having those almonds still be there the next day for breakfast if someone was peckish at night, let alone being able to cook anything in bulk and not have it disappear the next second. And making yourself 3-4 meals a day separate from everyone else is a great way to get unpopular fast. Sure ideally you're eating chicken twice a day, getting nuts, eggs, vegtables etc daily. But sometimes reality kicks in and all you can have is a plate of pasta for dinner or a slice of toast for breakfast. For those occasional days where the stars don't align and you can't get enough protein through normal meals after working out/training, what's wrong with just adding a protein shake or two to your day to make sure you hit your targets? Besides, you can get 1kg of decent quality pure whey powder for under 170dkk easily enough if you buy when it's on sale. That's 50 20g milkshakes, or like <<4dkk each. Sure it's not a perfectly balanced diet, but if you spent 2 hours training the night before it's considerably better compared to a slice of white bread with whatever sugar-goop on top as breakfast fuel.
It's honestly just a matter of routine to eat properly. You pretty much just have to not buy bad food and you're good to go as long as you dont do silly stuff like eat nothing but meat or whatever.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with with taking a shake if you for some reason cannot reach your required intake, but if it's hard for you to reach chances are you're not a beginner. My point is it's suuuuper easy for beginners to reach their needed protein intake, and most likely already do through regular food without even thinking about it. It's the whey gulping beginners I'm ranting about not the people that actually need it.
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On July 23 2016 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 04:39 Seuss wrote:
WTB SGDQ recap.
Also yay for Friday. I should finally get done with all the weekly stuff I "need" to do in WoW and get back to Fallout 4 and Overwatch! Yeah srsly Asmo slacking in all his duties lately. Iris, AGDQ, moving....
I'll get there promise.
But Iris is going to be further delayed because my damn computer is trapped in my POD which was super delayed. Don't use PODS.
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Almost Plat(diamond) in R6S :D
grinding out of gold(plat) is a nightmare. it's currently got an MMR bug where gold(plat) players have higher MMR than diamond (Masters). meaning we get fewer points for winning and more for losing,
League equivalent in parenthetical.
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On July 23 2016 10:06 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 09:04 killerdog wrote:On July 23 2016 07:28 Jek wrote:On July 23 2016 05:40 red_ wrote:On July 23 2016 03:24 Jek wrote:On July 23 2016 01:21 TheYango wrote:On July 23 2016 00:35 Jek wrote:On July 22 2016 17:53 Ketara wrote:
What do people use the fitness trackers for? To waste money and feel like they are working out at the level were you would actually benefit from one. Ehh, I think it's more that some people are more motivated to improve when they have arbitrary numbers to track their improvement, even if those numbers in and of themselves aren't actually useful to them. It's the same as how people want visible ratings to track their improvement in competitive games, even though having visible ratings wouldn't actually change their gameplay experience compared to having MMR hidden. Yeah. But the issue with these devices are they often make beginners pace themself way too hard. I legit run into at least one person hit by heat stroke each summer, it's always due to trying to push themself too hard and they always carry a metric fuckton of useless fitness devices strapped all over their body. I can understand the trackers, pulse meters etc if you got health issues and need to keep a close watch or you're training for competitive reasons and thus need the optimal results. But if it's just your hobby there's absolutely no reason to use them. Just listen to your body and google the length of your routes if you really want to measure it. It's the same when I see beginners start using whey immediately. Just. Eat. Balanced. Why piss (literally) away money when you in your current shape get all the protein you need in any sort of normal diet (and if you dont you really need to reconsider it if you want any sort of gains anyway). Yes I'm ranting. I don't think the whey thing goes along with the fitness apps thing at all since I can come up with plenty of legit reasons to consume it even if you aren't trying to attain a significantly developed physique(protein shake breakfast takes about 1 minute to make, tastes great, and is probably very cheap unless you're blending it with something insane), let alone if you are(a beginner is still going to want to hit their macros which especially for chronically skinny under eaters is easier by drinking some of those calories/protein). I guess I'm kind of ranting too. Maybe I fucked up drinking that whey when I started all this athletics shit, probably why I sill look so bad. That's just being lazy and wasting money. Make some milk-based oatmeal and chop some almonds for toppings, for more "oomph" mix in egg and you have a healthier (and cheaper) protein rich meal, it'll keep your full for far longer than any shake based breakfast too. Truely a breakfast for champions. It doesn't take long to make, I'm an extreme B person and I can manage it, just cook it in a microwave for maximum ease. By replacing food with shakes also need to be very mindful on not missing out on important oils, fats, minerals and vitamins. It's understandable for under eaters, people with various disorders etc to use suppliments even as they start out. I had to start using weightgainer daily when I started on medicine which have the sideeffect of weight loss for instance. The only supplement I'd advice to any beginner is fish oil, actually I'd advice it to everyone it's way too good for your body to pass. Until you reach a certain muscle mass everything else you can easily gain from just eating real food. I dated a sports dietitian for three years she probably managed to drill eating properly into my head a bit too much. I think you're underestimating the difficulty of having a planned diet. If you live alone then it's easy to plan out meals for a week, cook in bulk, have 3-4 ingredient breakfasts etc. If you still live at home, good luck having those almonds still be there the next day for breakfast if someone was peckish at night, let alone being able to cook anything in bulk and not have it disappear the next second. And making yourself 3-4 meals a day separate from everyone else is a great way to get unpopular fast. Sure ideally you're eating chicken twice a day, getting nuts, eggs, vegtables etc daily. But sometimes reality kicks in and all you can have is a plate of pasta for dinner or a slice of toast for breakfast. For those occasional days where the stars don't align and you can't get enough protein through normal meals after working out/training, what's wrong with just adding a protein shake or two to your day to make sure you hit your targets? Besides, you can get 1kg of decent quality pure whey powder for under 170dkk easily enough if you buy when it's on sale. That's 50 20g milkshakes, or like <<4dkk each. Sure it's not a perfectly balanced diet, but if you spent 2 hours training the night before it's considerably better compared to a slice of white bread with whatever sugar-goop on top as breakfast fuel. It's honestly just a matter of routine to eat properly. You pretty much just have to not buy bad food and you're good to go as long as you dont do silly stuff like eat nothing but meat or whatever. There's absolutely nothing wrong with with taking a shake if you for some reason cannot reach your required intake, but if it's hard for you to reach chances are you're not a beginner. My point is it's suuuuper easy for beginners to reach their needed protein intake, and most likely already do through regular food without even thinking about it. It's the whey gulping beginners I'm ranting about not the people that actually need it.
btw, actual semi-related question because you seem knowledgeable.
If you're naturally wiry/skinny and are trying to build muscle, do you need to eat a lot more than normal to do so? I've had conflicting advice between needing to "bulk" and eat 500-1k calories above maintanence while working out, to "as long as you're >6%bf, just eat normally with lots of protein."
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On July 23 2016 19:53 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 10:06 Jek wrote:On July 23 2016 09:04 killerdog wrote:On July 23 2016 07:28 Jek wrote:On July 23 2016 05:40 red_ wrote:On July 23 2016 03:24 Jek wrote:On July 23 2016 01:21 TheYango wrote:On July 23 2016 00:35 Jek wrote:On July 22 2016 17:53 Ketara wrote:
What do people use the fitness trackers for? To waste money and feel like they are working out at the level were you would actually benefit from one. Ehh, I think it's more that some people are more motivated to improve when they have arbitrary numbers to track their improvement, even if those numbers in and of themselves aren't actually useful to them. It's the same as how people want visible ratings to track their improvement in competitive games, even though having visible ratings wouldn't actually change their gameplay experience compared to having MMR hidden. Yeah. But the issue with these devices are they often make beginners pace themself way too hard. I legit run into at least one person hit by heat stroke each summer, it's always due to trying to push themself too hard and they always carry a metric fuckton of useless fitness devices strapped all over their body. I can understand the trackers, pulse meters etc if you got health issues and need to keep a close watch or you're training for competitive reasons and thus need the optimal results. But if it's just your hobby there's absolutely no reason to use them. Just listen to your body and google the length of your routes if you really want to measure it. It's the same when I see beginners start using whey immediately. Just. Eat. Balanced. Why piss (literally) away money when you in your current shape get all the protein you need in any sort of normal diet (and if you dont you really need to reconsider it if you want any sort of gains anyway). Yes I'm ranting. I don't think the whey thing goes along with the fitness apps thing at all since I can come up with plenty of legit reasons to consume it even if you aren't trying to attain a significantly developed physique(protein shake breakfast takes about 1 minute to make, tastes great, and is probably very cheap unless you're blending it with something insane), let alone if you are(a beginner is still going to want to hit their macros which especially for chronically skinny under eaters is easier by drinking some of those calories/protein). I guess I'm kind of ranting too. Maybe I fucked up drinking that whey when I started all this athletics shit, probably why I sill look so bad. That's just being lazy and wasting money. Make some milk-based oatmeal and chop some almonds for toppings, for more "oomph" mix in egg and you have a healthier (and cheaper) protein rich meal, it'll keep your full for far longer than any shake based breakfast too. Truely a breakfast for champions. It doesn't take long to make, I'm an extreme B person and I can manage it, just cook it in a microwave for maximum ease. By replacing food with shakes also need to be very mindful on not missing out on important oils, fats, minerals and vitamins. It's understandable for under eaters, people with various disorders etc to use suppliments even as they start out. I had to start using weightgainer daily when I started on medicine which have the sideeffect of weight loss for instance. The only supplement I'd advice to any beginner is fish oil, actually I'd advice it to everyone it's way too good for your body to pass. Until you reach a certain muscle mass everything else you can easily gain from just eating real food. I dated a sports dietitian for three years she probably managed to drill eating properly into my head a bit too much. I think you're underestimating the difficulty of having a planned diet. If you live alone then it's easy to plan out meals for a week, cook in bulk, have 3-4 ingredient breakfasts etc. If you still live at home, good luck having those almonds still be there the next day for breakfast if someone was peckish at night, let alone being able to cook anything in bulk and not have it disappear the next second. And making yourself 3-4 meals a day separate from everyone else is a great way to get unpopular fast. Sure ideally you're eating chicken twice a day, getting nuts, eggs, vegtables etc daily. But sometimes reality kicks in and all you can have is a plate of pasta for dinner or a slice of toast for breakfast. For those occasional days where the stars don't align and you can't get enough protein through normal meals after working out/training, what's wrong with just adding a protein shake or two to your day to make sure you hit your targets? Besides, you can get 1kg of decent quality pure whey powder for under 170dkk easily enough if you buy when it's on sale. That's 50 20g milkshakes, or like <<4dkk each. Sure it's not a perfectly balanced diet, but if you spent 2 hours training the night before it's considerably better compared to a slice of white bread with whatever sugar-goop on top as breakfast fuel. It's honestly just a matter of routine to eat properly. You pretty much just have to not buy bad food and you're good to go as long as you dont do silly stuff like eat nothing but meat or whatever. There's absolutely nothing wrong with with taking a shake if you for some reason cannot reach your required intake, but if it's hard for you to reach chances are you're not a beginner. My point is it's suuuuper easy for beginners to reach their needed protein intake, and most likely already do through regular food without even thinking about it. It's the whey gulping beginners I'm ranting about not the people that actually need it. btw, actual semi-related question because you seem knowledgeable. If you're naturally wiry/skinny and are trying to build muscle, do you need to eat a lot more than normal to do so? I've had conflicting advice between needing to "bulk" and eat 500-1k calories above maintanence while working out, to "as long as you're >6%bf, just eat normally with lots of protein."
I'm going to be anecdotal since it's easier. I was 165 at 6ft and it wasn't until I started eating 4k+ calories a day did I put on weight (with a solid lifting program). Eating that much was a lot of work, mentally harder than lifting lol. I'm 190 now and probably need 3k-3.5k to maintain or I start losing weight. I haven't counted calories strictly in a while though.
Basically i'd make sure you eat enough protein then fill in with healthy foods. If you're not gaining weight you just eat more. Need to track your calories.
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I've always been a stick and mordeks anecdotal rings true for me. I'm by no means bulky now but at least there's some meat on me.
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On July 23 2016 19:53 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 10:06 Jek wrote:On July 23 2016 09:04 killerdog wrote:On July 23 2016 07:28 Jek wrote:On July 23 2016 05:40 red_ wrote:On July 23 2016 03:24 Jek wrote:On July 23 2016 01:21 TheYango wrote:On July 23 2016 00:35 Jek wrote:On July 22 2016 17:53 Ketara wrote:
What do people use the fitness trackers for? To waste money and feel like they are working out at the level were you would actually benefit from one. Ehh, I think it's more that some people are more motivated to improve when they have arbitrary numbers to track their improvement, even if those numbers in and of themselves aren't actually useful to them. It's the same as how people want visible ratings to track their improvement in competitive games, even though having visible ratings wouldn't actually change their gameplay experience compared to having MMR hidden. Yeah. But the issue with these devices are they often make beginners pace themself way too hard. I legit run into at least one person hit by heat stroke each summer, it's always due to trying to push themself too hard and they always carry a metric fuckton of useless fitness devices strapped all over their body. I can understand the trackers, pulse meters etc if you got health issues and need to keep a close watch or you're training for competitive reasons and thus need the optimal results. But if it's just your hobby there's absolutely no reason to use them. Just listen to your body and google the length of your routes if you really want to measure it. It's the same when I see beginners start using whey immediately. Just. Eat. Balanced. Why piss (literally) away money when you in your current shape get all the protein you need in any sort of normal diet (and if you dont you really need to reconsider it if you want any sort of gains anyway). Yes I'm ranting. I don't think the whey thing goes along with the fitness apps thing at all since I can come up with plenty of legit reasons to consume it even if you aren't trying to attain a significantly developed physique(protein shake breakfast takes about 1 minute to make, tastes great, and is probably very cheap unless you're blending it with something insane), let alone if you are(a beginner is still going to want to hit their macros which especially for chronically skinny under eaters is easier by drinking some of those calories/protein). I guess I'm kind of ranting too. Maybe I fucked up drinking that whey when I started all this athletics shit, probably why I sill look so bad. That's just being lazy and wasting money. Make some milk-based oatmeal and chop some almonds for toppings, for more "oomph" mix in egg and you have a healthier (and cheaper) protein rich meal, it'll keep your full for far longer than any shake based breakfast too. Truely a breakfast for champions. It doesn't take long to make, I'm an extreme B person and I can manage it, just cook it in a microwave for maximum ease. By replacing food with shakes also need to be very mindful on not missing out on important oils, fats, minerals and vitamins. It's understandable for under eaters, people with various disorders etc to use suppliments even as they start out. I had to start using weightgainer daily when I started on medicine which have the sideeffect of weight loss for instance. The only supplement I'd advice to any beginner is fish oil, actually I'd advice it to everyone it's way too good for your body to pass. Until you reach a certain muscle mass everything else you can easily gain from just eating real food. I dated a sports dietitian for three years she probably managed to drill eating properly into my head a bit too much. I think you're underestimating the difficulty of having a planned diet. If you live alone then it's easy to plan out meals for a week, cook in bulk, have 3-4 ingredient breakfasts etc. If you still live at home, good luck having those almonds still be there the next day for breakfast if someone was peckish at night, let alone being able to cook anything in bulk and not have it disappear the next second. And making yourself 3-4 meals a day separate from everyone else is a great way to get unpopular fast. Sure ideally you're eating chicken twice a day, getting nuts, eggs, vegtables etc daily. But sometimes reality kicks in and all you can have is a plate of pasta for dinner or a slice of toast for breakfast. For those occasional days where the stars don't align and you can't get enough protein through normal meals after working out/training, what's wrong with just adding a protein shake or two to your day to make sure you hit your targets? Besides, you can get 1kg of decent quality pure whey powder for under 170dkk easily enough if you buy when it's on sale. That's 50 20g milkshakes, or like <<4dkk each. Sure it's not a perfectly balanced diet, but if you spent 2 hours training the night before it's considerably better compared to a slice of white bread with whatever sugar-goop on top as breakfast fuel. It's honestly just a matter of routine to eat properly. You pretty much just have to not buy bad food and you're good to go as long as you dont do silly stuff like eat nothing but meat or whatever. There's absolutely nothing wrong with with taking a shake if you for some reason cannot reach your required intake, but if it's hard for you to reach chances are you're not a beginner. My point is it's suuuuper easy for beginners to reach their needed protein intake, and most likely already do through regular food without even thinking about it. It's the whey gulping beginners I'm ranting about not the people that actually need it. btw, actual semi-related question because you seem knowledgeable. If you're naturally wiry/skinny and are trying to build muscle, do you need to eat a lot more than normal to do so? I've had conflicting advice between needing to "bulk" and eat 500-1k calories above maintanence while working out, to "as long as you're >6%bf, just eat normally with lots of protein."
I must admit I dont know the correct answer to it. Everyone I talk to at the local gym have different opinions on what's optimal for skinny people. Only thing I do know, is it's harder for an underweight person to gain weight than it is for an overweight to lose it I got a loooooong explaination from a doctor at a conference my ex dragged me to, it's something about evolutionary reasons where the body thinks your "normal" physique is a measure of the climate you live in, as in it thinks a normally skinny person is living in a warm climate and thus need to lose fat and an underweight is in a cold climate and needs the extra layer to keep warm. Cant remember the exact explanation but it was something along those lines.
With that in mind I dont think the diet necessarily needs to be super heavy in protein, but it should contain more calories than just for maintanence. Then you're also sure to avoid getting "protein stomach", which hurts as hell. 
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That sounds very pseudo-sciencey. I'd be surprised if the explanation isn't something more mundane involving energy in - energy out with it being easier to eat less than eat more.
edit: One thing to note about Dietary field or just health sciences in general is that most of the information isn't fact, merely guesswork based on physical observations. The same can be said about most fields of science(If not all) but the main difference is the ability to control variables to do repeated experiments. Add in all the politics and how broken the current academic/research system is it makes it very hard to distinguish fiction from reality.
I hope things change for the better. Many academics have been outspoken about how bad the system is so that's a start.
That's not to say anything is wrong or right. Just a mini rant on how hard it is to figure out health science journals and research.
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man both new sonic games look great
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Even a fresh stick figure of a beginner is going to want to get in like 150g of protein, which you're not getting if one of your meals is some oatmeal and almonds and one egg for 'oomph.'
Maybe we mean beginner differently or are imagining people with different goals, but I highly disagree with much of what you've written so far other than the fact that much of this endeavor is in building solid routines that make it far easier to stick to instead of essentially ad-libbing your meals all the time.
As for the other related discussion, I don't think I would ever tell anyone to eat 1k over maintenance (unless they're doing something weird like not considering their activity level as part of their maintenance calories.), that's a good way to get fat quick. Also also, it's likely that you have never known anyone that is 6% bodyfat in your life, sub 10% is very lean. Plenty of skinny kids are like 15% or higher even, it's the entire reason the label 'skinny fat' became a thing.
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i know a guy who was sub 6% bodyfat for a while, still isn't breaking 10% despite trying really hard to gainz
that said he has a pretty rare digestive flaw (or w/e that stuff is called) that made him into a literal skeleton so yea
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I used to be about 13% body fat while skinny, could fit my whole hand around my ankle and more. It was bad man. Stupid whiskey why you so good. This was when I was sub 50 I think.
'Skinny fat' feels like more a failing of the English language than anything. Fat meaning two things forcing us to create this new weird term just to clarify it. Good thing China is buying us out. Just got to start learning that tonal stuff!@
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it's not that hard except you gotta keep in mind not pitch higher at the end of a question
unless you happen to be supposed to
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The only time I ever gained an appreciable amount of weight was when I was on a heavy amount of medication, which both caused me to retain water and eat as though the ability to feel full didn't exist.
I find it physically impossible to eat like that on the regular.
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On July 24 2016 01:48 Dandel Ion wrote:
it's not that hard except you gotta keep in mind not pitch higher at the end of a question
unless you happen to be supposed to
I always wondered how shouting works. Is it just not a thing like in Western languages?
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EPT
