EPTOn July 20 2016 14:30 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I understood that up to the last paragraph then realized I was in way over my head
I understood that up to the last paragraph then realized I was in way over my head
It's like another language
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
It's like another language | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
Also Sneasel!! | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On July 20 2016 14:30 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: I understood that up to the last paragraph then realized I was in way over my head Stealth rocks is an entry hazard; so when your pokemon enters the field they lose 12.5% hp. But it is rock type, so it does 25% against ice/flying/fire/bug. If they have 2 of those they take 50% damage on entry. Also makes fighting / steel types quite hardy because everyone else is eating 12.5% damage and they only eat 6.25. Obviously in competitive you are switching out quite a bit letting things like Skarmory or Blissey take potentual 1hko hits instead of say your Blaziken. So obviously charizard gets butt fucked by it hard. Only way to play him competitively is to be able to set up a full sweep before hand bevause you cant switch jim out or he is effectively dead; to do that you must take out things he cant 1hko & outspeed or who can't kill him from 50%, clear Stealth rocks with rapidspin, get out a substitute and state increases, then use baton pass to get charizard in with boosted stats so he can sweep the team. Baton pass switches pokemon while passing on all status changes; so if you have baton pass and swords dance / substitute you can pass to the pokemon you switch to setting them up to just go ham. Obviously this is strong when it works but it's like 5 turns or setup that is pretty telegraphed considering they have reviewed your team prior. Not to mention, no reason to set up Charizard instead of say the aforementioned Blaziken when you can use Blaziken more generally to revenge kill or trade or absorb not very effective hits as 12.5% hp on entry hurts but isn't a death sentence whereas 50% is. Everyone uses Stealth rocks because it is (was? Haven't played competitively since they added megas) the best entry hazard, whereas if they hadon't a spectrum it'd make things like charizard less universally fucked... perhaps at the cost of making the game a touch more rps-y. But even still, would allow you to have a potent win condition in some games where say a hypothetical ice or flying entry hazard was used in lieu of SR. There are a few alternatives but they aren't as good without using the ability twice, but seeing as everyone has a spinner who can clear with one turn makes more sense to just use rocks. Using charizard kind of like using Yi instead of a true ranged ADC... it can work if things go right, but why bother when you could just pick Ezreal and have the niche win scenario be an easy free win and the loss scenario be a competitive one. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Rank 33 and still dropping Edit: 10 in a row we did it boys. and for my final game of the night, 3 people left and I lost an entire rank for it. Now sitting comfortably at 31 At least my loot box had a sweet Hanzo wolves skin in it | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On July 20 2016 14:24 iCanada wrote: I loved gen 2. So many cool mons. And shinies. Some of my favorites for sure in gen 2; Houndoom, Honchkrow, Tyranitar, Skarmory, Kingdra, Scizor... easy access to shit like Hitmonchan, Lapras, Dratini, ghastly etc. Only thing it was missing was move dependant special / physical attackstrength instead of type dependant. Otherwise gen 2 stands the test of time quite well. On a competitive note it was also nice that entrance traps weren't really a thing. You could play stuff like charizard withought weird having to construct niche block+spin+pass comps that otherwise just get wrecked by Stealth rocks. They need more type variety in entrance hazards otherwise it pairs down typing too much. It sucks not being able to play shit because anyone you can't beat with your eyes closed will have SR. gen 2 is actually where spikes + tspikes were made | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On July 20 2016 15:58 WaveofShadow wrote: 8 game losing streak so far tonight Rank 33 and still dropping Edit: 10 in a row we did it boys. and for my final game of the night, 3 people left and I lost an entire rank for it. Now sitting comfortably at 31 At least my loot box had a sweet Hanzo wolves skin in it Nice dude that's a cool one to have  Are you still solo queueing? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I dig her a lot. She needs another support though imo, she doesn't have the oomph to really hold up a team unless it's already pretty self-sufficient. The game I solo supported with her felt like a struggle to keep up, would have been way worse against a coordinated team. On the other hand, got to rank 52 from my competitive matches. Woo. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On July 20 2016 21:30 mordek wrote: Nice dude that's a cool one to have Are you still solo queueing? Yar Didn't really play much for a couple weeks. It's a combination of fewer people playing in general + me being a HUGE skill gap away from anyone else on TL + my internet shutting down on me and screwing people over in a moment's notice + me often having to leave the computer for inordinate amounts of time not wanting to make people wait. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On July 20 2016 18:11 Frolossus wrote: gen 2 is actually where spikes + tspikes were made Yeah, but I think due to typing they are a touch less oppressive. Only super effective vs electric, ice and rock/ steel types that often have dual typing granting resistance; Like Scizor, Skarmory, etc. I don't think a single steel type in gen2 took 25% hp from spikes. Very few mons were made obsolete by spikes / tspikes. Many are made unviable by SR. Very few innately bulky flying mons out there. Basically just Staraptor and Skarmory. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
All this fuss over nothing. Closing matchmade battles in the Gen 6 games when Gen 7 comes out is more worth getting mad about than this, lol. | ||
Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Also, spikes are a lot less oppressive (at least gen4/5 which I played) partially because nowhere near as many good pokemon have access to them. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On July 21 2016 02:22 Scip wrote: idk how spikes worked in gen2 but in gen4/5 they were typeless grounded (did 12/19/25% to everyone who isnt flying/levitating). Even if they were ground type, thats not SE vs. ice. Also, Honchkrow is gen4, not gen 2. Also, spikes are a lot less oppressive (at least gen4/5 which I played) partially because nowhere near as many good pokemon have access to them. I Googled it. Toxic spikes are a gen 4 move. Scip was right, Spikes never were typed. I wouldn't have noticed regardless due to the few mons it would effect, but yeah always flat 12.5%. Both forettress and cloyster had spikes. Both were very good mons in the most popular format along side mons like Gengar, Heracross, Skarmory, Blissey, Machamp and Tyranitar etc. IIRC, they were pretty much on every team. Both very good walls with relatively strong typing. For Forretress and starmie were the only good spinners those days too... Forretress had spikes as is, and starmie couldn't really spin as she'd probably get killed. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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red_
United States8474 Posts
I know they're making something good enough for a competitive food show but still I find the concept hilarious when I consider spending 10 dollars on a single meal(that wasn't eating out) splurging. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
Feeling like I am finally at rating where good support play is something that has actual value maybe I should learn how to wall ride with Lucio. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 21 2016 09:08 red_ wrote: This chef show on Fox right now is doing a challenge to cook a meal for 4 with a limit of $20 like that's some super frugal budget amount. That's fucking 600 a month food budget on one meal... I know I'm only one person but I eat a ton and my entire budget is ~200 and I buy some stuff knowing it's not entirely budget friendly(weekly fish, a high end steak as a treat now and then, etc). I know they're making something good enough for a competitive food show but still I find the concept hilarious when I consider spending 10 dollars on a single meal(that wasn't eating out) splurging. I imagine the hard part is Over-purchasing right. Like if you need 1/4 teaspoon of cayenne but have to buy a whole bottle. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
My wife and I spend probably 650 CAD or 475 US on groceries for the two of us monthly. So about 7.80 USD per day each. But that is buying bulk and having 4 years to build our spice collection.I eat fairly frugally and we both workout 6 days a week. She is a celiac though, so we do pay a bit of a premium. So like 3 bucks per meal if breakfast is only half a meal. Tons of overspending on details like condiments, I'd imagine. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On July 21 2016 09:30 PrinceXizor wrote: I imagine the hard part is Over-purchasing right. Like if you need 1/4 teaspoon of cayenne but have to buy a whole bottle. They didn't show a whole lot of the details of the 'purchasing' people did so it's hard to say, but that and them maybe using LA prices are the only way this makes sense as a challenge. Otherwise, most of the time the hard part about eating for 5 dollars per person is making food you can get cheap-ish taste good which should be EASILY overcome by professional chefs(for example, bone-in chicken, which multiple contestants used, is dirt cheap and actually preferred by good chefs because the bone adds flavor and can be removed after for presentation/ease of eating, win win). | ||
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