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On July 15 2016 05:16 PrinceXizor wrote:
...the current amount of help given by the game was much too much and made the game feel cheap.
This is a good thesis statement, but you have tendency to ramble and wander off into the weeds. You could probably condense everything you said by about 75% without losing anything important (it was good, just could easily be made more succinctly).
Also, while it's correct to note that hitscan also requires prediction, the challenge is not identical. The depth of prediction required is more shallow save in situations of extreme proximity.
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On July 15 2016 05:35 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2016 05:16 PrinceXizor wrote:
...the current amount of help given by the game was much too much and made the game feel cheap.
This is a good thesis statement, but you have tendency to ramble and wander off into the weeds. You could probably condense everything you said by about 75% without losing anything important (it was good, just could easily be made more succinctly). Also, while it's correct to note that hitscan also requires prediction, the challenge is not identical. The depth of prediction required is more shallow save in situations of extreme proximity.
On the internet i prefer to over-talk, than say a little and not be able to explain for 10-15 minutes to a day after i had my thoughts. Also i very much am guilty of posting, then going back and editing in stuff, like this sentence.
But yeah Hitscan has a much smaller target, but it also requires much more accuracy (single pixel vs multiple), though you don't predict as far in the future.
EDIT: Also i post in a very stream of consciousness manner, often only reading over something for grammar mistakes instead of content clarity. It definitely makes my posting less clear, but also it's a lot more casual of a setting than a paper or an article or something.
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You are just going to ignore the difference in juke potential? Hitscan you do essentially 50/50 they attempt a juke or they don't, Projectiles you do 50/50 but you do it 2-6 times and trying to guess if and how they are going to juke. Not a huge deal for roadhog/hanzo but it's not in their favour you can however wait and 1 shot them but it makes stuff like tracking with projectiles basically impossible with Zen and Mei without a massive advantage.
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I'm not saying you should have boiled all that down to the thesis statement, I'm just saying you could have made and supported every single point with fewer words and paragraphs, making it more digestible to people who aren't Elitist Jerk forum alums like myself.
Edit: After my first decade in forums I found people understood me far better when I took the time to pause and consider, "What am I trying to say, does this say that, and if so does it do so efficiently?" It means I can't churn out a post in seconds, but I've found quality over quantity to be worth it.
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United States47024 Posts
It's also not entirely unrelated the persistent issues you have with people misunderstanding the point of your arguments and you having to reiterate yourself multiple times for people to get what you're trying to say sometimes.
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On July 15 2016 05:45 Seuss wrote:
I'm not saying you should have boiled all that down to the thesis statement, I'm just saying you could have made and supported every single point with fewer words and paragraphs, making it more digestible to people who aren't Elitist Jerk forum alums like myself.
oh i didn't take what you said as harsh or anything.  don't worry. I was just talking about me.
On July 15 2016 05:48 TheYango wrote:
It's also not entirely unrelated the persistent issues you have with people misunderstanding the point of your arguments and you having to reiterate yourself multiple times for people to get what you're trying to say sometimes.
Which makes reinforces to me that i should over-explain and leads into itself. quite a cycle.
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I just skip half your post anyway 
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You guys are all huge nerds.
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On July 15 2016 05:45 Eppa! wrote:
You are just going to ignore the difference in juke potential? Hitscan you do essentially 50/50 they attempt a juke or they don't, Projectiles you do 50/50 but you do it 2-6 times and trying to guess if and how they are going to juke. Not a huge deal for roadhog/hanzo but it's not in their favour you can however wait and 1 shot them but it makes stuff like tracking with projectiles basically impossible with Zen and Mei without a massive advantage.
The prediction difference between hitscan and projectile is really just time when you break it down. You can think about multiple actions and which actions are likely, but when it comes down to it time is the biggest factor.
you predict X into the future based on your reflexes and the servers and stuff. and you predict X+Travel time into the future when shooting projectiles.
Your characters movement speed as the target, determines how much you can get done in X and X+Travel. Some characters have abilities that can be activated within that time frame as well, with Genji's Reflect being the most obvious.
Knowing that time frame due to familiarity with the game and your weapon allows much of that calculation to be instinctual. Also knowing when to fire to limit the potential movements of your opponent is good. when they jump you know how they will fall, or the shape of the map and what they see from their position. That last bit is harder in OW than a lot of games because everyone's camera is not uniform. Reinhardt/winston see the world a bit differently from tracer.
Stuff like Zenyatta and Mei have very large projectiles which makes their target much larger. If you have a screen that is 10x10 pixels, and you expect a 2x3 pixel character to move 3 pixels in 3 seconds, and you have a 2x2 box to aim. you have a lot more leeway than if you have a 1 pixel box to aim. Having that increased aim box and the increased target (say you need to hit a 3x4 character with a 2x2 box or a 2x3 character with a 1x1 box of hitscan).
You "pay" the time delay to gain a larger effective AoE for your attack, but also a larger target, and that skews it out of whack and makes it much more difficult to balance than only changing the AoE of the attack with regards to time "paid"
Predicting 1 second (pharah) in the future is much harder than predicting .2 seconds in the future.(widow). but the payoff is larger typically (pharah does 120 damage on hit, same as widow, but also does splash damage). It's also important to keep in mind that because characters have limited speed, that does not permit them to travel so vast a distance in the timeframe we're talking about to make it impossible to judge.
a character can hardly move at all in .2 seconds outside of specific cases. where in 1 second they can move 5x further, but that 5x further doesn't make it 5x more difficult. It's not a 1:1 relationship.so increasing the target area by 30% for pharah, and then giving partial success for getting close (splash damage of 13-80). Make it more forgiving on it's own, without also increasing the opponents hurtbox.
EDIT: the other bit is in a class based game like OW, characters can have different roles without ruining balance. Projectile characters being experts at taking out predictable characters is okay, while leaving the hitscan to take care of the trickiest characters to pin down. This Zenyatta video by Rabbit J shows an example of him focusing on characters that have little option in their movement which makes them super susceptible to his projectile attacks.
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Spoilers pls.
No power, tree trimers took out a power line I guess...
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alaric was in his room wtf lets real here
nerds have natural resistance to terror attacks
dont think he lives in nice either
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I could. A bunch of the job offers I've been getting from even before I'd graduated are from a big IT companies district of sorts in Nice.
But I'm not a beach guy, I wouldn't bear living in > 30°C a good third of the year, everyone I know's farther than 200 km from Nice (I live literally across from there, and even Belgian people are stupidly far), and life's a lot more expensive there.
So screw Nice. If I wanna get run over by a truck I could do it just as easily here.
More on-topic: fucking "terror attack" right after it happens. Better panic and throw the big words around before waiting for the facts, Orlando's shown it's such a smart behaviour. Idiots.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
I mean, the attack was pretty terror.
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The yelling was probably on point, but not enough pouring of water on oneself to truly be Terror.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
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My Friday would be starting off much better if I hadn't see that
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u made a mistake the bottom half is missing
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jesus scip when your eyebrows are clearly the most prominent facial feature you have shaving your head is a bad idea
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