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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On July 06 2016 03:10 PrinceXizor wrote: Well the punishment would be removal of access to classified info. but if you remove the secretary of state from classified info they cannot do their job. Once clinton is removed from politics she'll be stripped of her access for life most likely. She could be removed form office by the President or be impeached by congress, or convicted of a crime. but you can't remove a SoS's clearance while in office. "Cannot" because it would impede her ability to do the job? or "Cannot" because there are some rules preventing it? (note - legitimate question) I'm fairly certain anyone who has lost their clearance/job due to their own negligence would argue that first point. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 06 2016 03:17 Eppa! wrote: So now it's confirmed that Clinton is going to be POTUS. the Republicans are going to have a field day with the negligence thing. It's totally possible that disillusionment and small turnout results in a trump presidency. On July 06 2016 03:17 jcarlsoniv wrote: "Cannot" because it would impede her ability to do the job? or "Cannot" because there are some rules preventing it? (note - legitimate question) I'm fairly certain anyone who has lost their clearance/job due to their own negligence would argue that first point. based on some Executive orders giving the SoS the ability to determine classification, probably both. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On July 06 2016 03:19 Eppa! wrote: As long as there are black, hispanic and women in America that won't happen. Except for the ones that support him Just to contrast, a friend of mine took this picture over the weekend + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/orscLUp.jpg) | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On July 06 2016 03:19 Eppa! wrote: As long as there are black, hispanic and women in America that won't happen. "Now let's check in with Ollie for the Leave vs Stay report." "IT'S GON' RAIN AND WE'RE LEAVING THE EU" "Thanks Ollie." | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 06 2016 03:19 Eppa! wrote: As long as there are black, hispanic and women in America that won't happen. A lot of which are being disenfranchised by voter laws around the country, whose state legislatures have appealed long enough to delay obeying federal law on it, until jan 2017. just in time for the election. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
I would find it funny if Trump wins and then the next recession hits and you will see what people think about disenfranchised when they get fucked over harder than the Brexit vote. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On July 06 2016 03:18 PrinceXizor wrote: the Republicans are going to have a field day with the negligence thing. It's totally possible that disillusionment and small turnout results in a trump presidency. Possible perhaps, extremely unlikely. If she'd been indicted that'd have been one thing, but if all the Republicans are harping on is "negligence" it isn't going to have that significant an effect. What's more likely, though still not probable, is a democratic fuckup on the same level as the election to fill Ted Kennedy's seat. That kind of tone-deaf campaigning combined with complacency is the real threat. I wouldn't be surprised if, after the Democratic Convention, a lot of the hand-wringing about an enthusiasm gap disappears. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 06 2016 03:23 Eppa! wrote: @Soniv I don't get are you insulting me by insulting the UK? Because I am firm believer that they are retarded too. I would find it funny if Trump wins and then the next recession hits and you will see what people think about disenfranchised when they get fucked over harder than the Brexit vote. the US has been called an oligarchy for over one election already. wouldnt be too different. just more obvious stuff. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On July 06 2016 03:23 Eppa! wrote: @Soniv I don't get are you insulting me by insulting the UK? Because I am firm believer that they are retarded too. I would find it funny if Trump wins and then the next recession hits and you will see what people think about disenfranchised when they get fucked over harder than the Brexit vote. ? I wasn't insulting you, just reminiscing on how many people took for granted that Leave wouldn't come close to winning (my brother-in-law being one of them). And I say that as someone who had relatively little optics into the whole thing in general. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
I think working class people have been unhappy with the state of the British economy for a long time and the bad workers right (Half my family is British and it's echoed by them too). Being reactionary doesn't surprise me very much. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 06 2016 03:30 jcarlsoniv wrote: And I say that as someone who had relatively little optics into the whole thing in general. Soniv plz no. not you too. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
What did I do? Why's everyone yelling at me?! T_T | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On July 06 2016 03:08 jcarlsoniv wrote: Well, I wouldn't say those outlets were "right" considering they were parroting the narrative that there was no wrongdoing. But I do agree for the most part with Comey's assessment - criminal intent cannot be proven and thus no recommendation for that pursuit will be given. However, negligence was abundant. But I will continue to question the fact that anyone else would be (and likely has been) punished for such negligence, albeit maybe not criminally punished. Unfortunately, that negligence will most likely be neglected. *shrug* For the most part, they've been saying the same thing regarding the indictment: it's not going to happen due to legal standing and precedent. It's again an issue with the State Department as a whole, which has had lax standards in regards to classified materials and recordkeeping (and which has been firmly on the "we need less classification" side of argument against the NSA/CIA for the past few decades). Nonetheless, they've provided far more relevant analysis from law professors and actual analysis about the emails themselves (in regards to what the FBI was focusing on, i.e. the "top secret" email chains regarding drone strikes), as opposed to the non-stop circlejerking over Guccifer and Wikileaks. Your point about negligence is noted. However, I can understand how several of the email chains marked "Top Secret" ended up on an email account (private or no), as most of it pertained to the clearance of drone strikes and assassinations against leaders of terrorist groups. Long story short, the State Department is given a variable timeframe before strikes to veto the operation. These are marked Top Secret and are to be communicated over secure lines and secure computers, but given the variable timeframes, sometimes the timeframe was too short for relevant diplomats get to a secure terminal, or were on holiday and were not near one to begin with. These types of discussions, which technically break regulations on classification (as they shouldn't be talking about it through email full-stop) were widespread throughout the upper echelons of the State Department in regards to drone strikes in such circumstances, so the Comey announcement was as much a rebuke of this practice as negligent, despite being circumstantially understandable. Again it ties into the complex tug-of-war over secrecy and other matters of national security between the CIA/NSA and the State Department. On July 06 2016 03:30 jcarlsoniv wrote: ? I wasn't insulting you, just reminiscing on how many people took for granted that Leave wouldn't come close to winning (my brother-in-law being one of them). And I say that as someone who had relatively little optics into the whole thing in general. The issue with Brexit is that most of the polls were close to a 50-50 split, and the Brexit results were within the margin of error and as a national referendum, popular vote matters above all. The Electoral College is currently a Democratic firewall, and is strongly Dem-favored in a Presidential election still. Even if the polls are "overly-skewed" to the Dems because of turnout issues, as I'm sure Republicans will adopt again as a slogan as they did in 2012, they would need to go beyond the current national MoE just to stand a chance at winning. So yes, while Brexit does raise the issue and importance of Dem turnout (well, and voting marginalization), it isn't indicative of Trump having a good chance of winning. Not when he's losing in all the critical areas in running a national (as opposed to a primary) campaign, like fundraising, size of campaign staff, etc. Again, this is what we're currently looking at. http://www.270towin.com/maps/5VPKZ That Trump has put Georgia and Arizona into play is amazing by itself. It's possible Utah is in play because of Johnson and just how much the Mormons hate Trump, but I'm not willing to bet on that yet. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Training finally over and now I remember what actual work is like. A billion lines of codes, all in-house tools with minimal documentation, bunch of third party plug ins I've never used before - and no comments. Oh well, being unemployed is worse. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
Old person has no idea what they are doing with technology, insists on sticking to old ways, is unintentionally negligent. Happens to work for high level government. This is why technocracies need to exist. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On July 06 2016 04:37 Seuss wrote: In other news, the Castlevania Symphony of the Night blindfold run just got wrekt by a button on the controller dying mid-run. Man that's some rough shit. The pain is real. | ||
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