imagine being messi and losing twice in a row against a team that had won fuck all before. granted he missed a sitter in regular play and then put his penalty kick into row z. actually the whole argentinian team looked terrible, especially higuain. maradona is going to roast them but fuck all it he has a point, 0-7 since 1993, how can one team with so many otherwise good players choke so fucking bad on the regular?

music monday

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

June 27 2016 14:59 GMT

#26447

In OW news, here's Monte's 90%-Foolproof guides to defeating common cheeses:
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The focus here is on things you can do solo, because you can't trust your PuGs to execute anything more complicated than breathing.

Reinhardt + Bastion (+ Mercy):

Pick Bastion, sit out of the enemy Bastion's line of sight, destroy Reinhardt's shield. You don't necessarily have to worry about taking out Bastion yourself, just keep Reinhardt useless and cover your team.
There really isn't a better solo option. Bastion can take out the shield in seconds. Any other hero will take multiple reloads and close to half a minute beating down the shield while your idiotic team gets gunned down. Pick Bastion, destroy the shield, win.

Mass Torbjorn:

Pick one of Junkrat and Pharah depending on range and available angles. Their splash damage is a big deal because it means you're damaging both the turrets and Torbjorn at the same time. If you don't know what Peek-A-Boo is, look it up.
Soldier: 76 is a decent choice as well. He's good at self-sustained poking, has decent damage at range, and his helix rockets help burst down turrets. He's more surgical than Junkrat/Pharah, but if the enemy Torbjorns are scattered that works out well.
Bastion can work if you have multiple Reinhardts acting as a shield wall. He mows through static defenses like butter. Not really a solo option, but if you have a buddy or two you can bust through.
Genji is actually awful at dealing with multiple Torbjorns. Do not pick.
Remember that Molten Core ends if Torbjorn dies.

Other Cheeses:

Most other cheeses involve massing one character. Pick a character that's strong against them and go to town.
Bastion works against most cheeses that don't involve massing answers to Bastion.
Mass Mei is super cancer and while a Zarya or two goes a long way to countering it we should all be grateful Mei takes more than two brain cells to play properly.

Nos-

Canada12016 Posts

June 27 2016 16:04 GMT

#26448

pick 4 zarys and bring mother russian to them for all cheeses

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

June 27 2016 16:15 GMT

#26449

Why can't I hold all these cool as fuck EMN spoilers

Alaric

France45622 Posts

June 27 2016 16:16 GMT

#26450

Of course Wizard had to go and make the actually playable angel a mythic rarity and the other "necessary" one a rare.
Yay prices.
(In totally never happening dreamland, Brisela + Gattock Teeg is a "fun" lock. "You can only play fatties.")

To people knowing rules: if opponent attacks with fatty and weenie, can you block the weenie with a first-striker, then, when priority passes around after first damage step but before the normal one, cast this to get rid of the fatty?

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

June 27 2016 16:42 GMT

#26451

On June 28 2016 01:04 Nos- wrote:
pick 4 zarys and bring mother russian to them for all cheeses

If you have a few friends handy, sure! I was focusing mainly on the "augh solo queue" angle.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

June 27 2016 16:46 GMT

#26452

On June 28 2016 01:16 Alaric wrote:
To people knowing rules: if opponent attacks with fatty and weenie, can you block the weenie with a first-striker, then, when priority passes around after first damage step but before the normal one, cast this to get rid of the fatty?

Yes.

Attacking creatures are considered attacking from the moment they are declared until the end of combat, so even without the first striker, you can use the 3rd mode after combat damage before the end of combat to make the opponent sacrifice their fatty (though in this case, said fatty would still deal their combat damage).

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

June 27 2016 17:07 GMT

#26453

I just want to say something for wave

Green-White

http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gppit16/top-100-metagame-breakdown

Alaric

France45622 Posts

June 27 2016 17:10 GMT

#26454

Well the super good mythic is White, y'know.

Eppa!

Sweden4641 Posts

June 27 2016 18:17 GMT

#26455

On June 27 2016 23:59 Seuss wrote:
In OW news, here's Monte's 90%-Foolproof guides to defeating common cheeses:
+ Show Spoiler +

The focus here is on things you can do solo, because you can't trust your PuGs to execute anything more complicated than breathing.

Reinhardt + Bastion (+ Mercy):

Pick Bastion, sit out of the enemy Bastion's line of sight, destroy Reinhardt's shield. You don't necessarily have to worry about taking out Bastion yourself, just keep Reinhardt useless and cover your team.
There really isn't a better solo option. Bastion can take out the shield in seconds. Any other hero will take multiple reloads and close to half a minute beating down the shield while your idiotic team gets gunned down. Pick Bastion, destroy the shield, win.

Mass Torbjorn:

Pick one of Junkrat and Pharah depending on range and available angles. Their splash damage is a big deal because it means you're damaging both the turrets and Torbjorn at the same time. If you don't know what Peek-A-Boo is, look it up.
Soldier: 76 is a decent choice as well. He's good at self-sustained poking, has decent damage at range, and his helix rockets help burst down turrets. He's more surgical than Junkrat/Pharah, but if the enemy Torbjorns are scattered that works out well.
Bastion can work if you have multiple Reinhardts acting as a shield wall. He mows through static defenses like butter. Not really a solo option, but if you have a buddy or two you can bust through.
Genji is actually awful at dealing with multiple Torbjorns. Do not pick.
Remember that Molten Core ends if Torbjorn dies.

Other Cheeses:

Most other cheeses involve massing one character. Pick a character that's strong against them and go to town.
Bastion works against most cheeses that don't involve massing answers to Bastion.
Mass Mei is super cancer and while a Zarya or two goes a long way to countering it we should all be grateful Mei takes more than two brain cells to play properly.

Now I just need a guide how to beat winston x2, Lucio x2 and Tracer x2 on KotH.

AlterKot

Poland7525 Posts

June 27 2016 18:18 GMT

#26456

by taking reaper wew that was hard.

alt: just take the same team its a mirrored map what works for them will work for you

Slayer91

Ireland23470 Posts

June 27 2016 19:01 GMT

#26457

On June 27 2016 18:20 nafta wrote:
GoT spoiler
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I wonder if King's landing is a joke mr George RR Martin has been planning this whole time? Is he the actual mad genius?

+ Show Spoiler +

holy shit if it was..
bran stark time travel trolling

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

June 27 2016 19:55 GMT

#26458

On June 28 2016 02:07 Numy wrote:
I just want to say something for wave

Green-White

http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gppit16/top-100-metagame-breakdown

Yes yes I saw it.
Format is stale now but it'll only be that way for another couple weeks. Most of this standard was pretty interesting.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

June 27 2016 20:03 GMT

#26459

Honestly, in aggregate this is probably one of the healthiest season of Magic in a while. Standard is a little stale but there were enough interesting things going on. We had two great limited formats. And Modern was finally a real format again.