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On June 09 2016 02:27 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 02:26 Nos- wrote:
xizor i've never seen a genji in pro play even from some of the best genjis around, zenyatta gets one shot by a widow with a bodyshot and I don't see how torb does anything against mccree widow. Symmetra can be run on hollywood defense with Mercy but that's about the extent of her usefulness to me. Oh the torb/symmetra comment was because 25 or 75 hp drags everyone outside of body-shot range from widow, and a couple characters out of headshot range as well.
25 hp may knock you out of 1 shot bodyshot range, but it's not like the second shot takes a long time to fire to finish that off, and Tjorb is such deadweight that his armor doesn't make up for it at all.
Genji may have been the rage prior to the rise of McCree but until that changes he's going to be on the sidelines because you get Lucio+Reinhardt+Mercy+McCree 100%, Widow nearing 100%, and that last slot is almost 100% of the time a secondary tank(Zarya and Winston, although the Hog is actually seeing some picks now, still uncommon but rising).
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On June 09 2016 04:06 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 02:27 PrinceXizor wrote:On June 09 2016 02:26 Nos- wrote:
xizor i've never seen a genji in pro play even from some of the best genjis around, zenyatta gets one shot by a widow with a bodyshot and I don't see how torb does anything against mccree widow. Symmetra can be run on hollywood defense with Mercy but that's about the extent of her usefulness to me. Oh the torb/symmetra comment was because 25 or 75 hp drags everyone outside of body-shot range from widow, and a couple characters out of headshot range as well. 25 hp may knock you out of 1 shot bodyshot range, but it's not like the second shot takes a long time to fire to finish that off, and Tjorb is such deadweight that his armor doesn't make up for it at all. Genji may have been the rage prior to the rise of McCree but until that changes he's going to be on the sidelines because you get Lucio+Reinhardt+Mercy+McCree 100%, Widow nearing 100%, and that last slot is almost 100% of the time a secondary tank(Zarya and Winston, although the Hog is actually seeing some picks now, still uncommon but rising).
yes yes the meta is changing fast. and who knows whats gonna happen when mccree gets nerfed. since he's kind of the gatekeeper for genji most of the time. and then genji coming back hurts widow and shit just changed rapidly again, with widow gone zenyatta comes back, tanks go away more. etc etc. Or D.va might be good enough to be used which changes stuff there too. stuff changes too rapidly to make concrete statements right now. so i'm discussing design rather than meta to avoid that.
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Sorry PX I dced apparently
Terrible internet is terrible.
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On June 09 2016 04:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry PX I dced apparently
Terrible internet is terrible.
Ah! i just assumed you were done. I was about done as well either way. been playing all day.
fun games like always. even though that hollywood one was suspect. lol
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On June 09 2016 03:01 Cixah wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 02:59 Requizen wrote:
So what I'm getting from this conversation is like PX is talking from a Bronze/Silver/Gold perspective and what's going on in LCK is just completely opposite.
You know who I find really annoying? Freaking Junkrat. Good ones tilt me super hard. Correct. Good rats are good, the problem right now is that he's pretty choke heavy map like Anubis or gibralter to excel.
I think Gibraltar (when people don't fuck up and let the first two points get taken in one go as soon as I die) and Dorado are actually the two maps I do best on as Junkrat... I don't even seek the high ground most of the time, I just try to dick the tank doing the pushing while using traps to catch flankers.
I guess it says a bunch about the hero in pubs that I still do well with him despite all that.
How's the sound with a headset? I can hear Genji (especially if he shoots, it's pretty loud) and Tracer walk just fine, but it's hard to find what side they're on. I'm wondering if it's only because I use my laptop's speakers and the sound isn't finely managed enough that it makes a difference which one it uses, or if the game in general doesn't give you much in the way of "left or right."
What's the thing with Genji's shuriken? They're long range with really really good accuracy, high-ish rate of fire, and they deal decent damage (I think 3x20?) on top of having a large ammo reserve.
Is the damage fall-off high/starting very early?
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On June 09 2016 04:44 Alaric wrote:
What's the thing with Genji's shuriken? They're long range with really really good accuracy, high-ish rate of fire, and they deal decent damage (I think 3x20?) on top of having a large ammo reserve.
Is the damage fall-off high/starting very early?
The shurikens top off at 33.33 damage each. hitting all 3 is 100. headshotting all 3 is 200. they have perfect accuracy , and alt fire in a fan at once, which can all hit from close. it can be melee cancelled and then cancel the melee into a dash for 180 damage if you don't headshot. and because he has projectiles he is aiming at a much larger target than hitscan users, so it's easier for him to hit and to headshot at those close ranges.
I have a ton of trouble hearing genji, tracers heels are quite a bit louder to me, probably because they are higher pitched. most other characters im fine, but i have to shut off my music to hear genji at all, with good headphones. Directional sound is super wonky in overwatch currently though.
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Sometimes I just feel like I'm playing a different game to you guys :p
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On June 09 2016 05:28 Holyflare wrote:
Sometimes I just feel like I'm playing a different game to you guys :p
Same.
On the real though, most of the things you talk about PX is just stuff you learn to deal with when you just play the game alot more.
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Well in my case you're good and I'm not, so obviously our games are worlds apart. I think I've mentioned it when you invited me in the stack, people were way better, partly because we were facing other stacks but also because the people you "bring" against us are much stronger than my sorry 46% wr gets matched up against.
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Not that those stats mean anything at all, but I checked on mine after not looking for a while...maybe I AM getting better because aside from Mei my most played heroes aren't negative winrates anymore and I'm still above 50% overall.
Mebbe tonight I try some Widow just to tank my stats and attempt to learn what hitting shots actually means instead of spray and pray like everything else I do.
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If a genji is wrecking you then he's probably just a better player than you are. The main hurdle is just learning exactly how long his deflect is (it's always slightly longer than you expect T.T) and once you have that timing down, you just wreck 90% of genji's as basically anyone useful except mercy or lucio, and both those if you're positioning well you can escape.
He's super hard to play well, and he's exponentially harder to play well while also being more useful to your team than a cookie cutter pick would be. It just feels more tilting to die to him because he outplays you, but that doesn't mean he's op or more useful than anyone else.
Just learn to predict and time his deflects, position more safely when a good genji is on the enemy team, and enjoy the fact that 95% of the time you'll be playing a 6v5 around the objective while genji dicks around in a corner kda whoring. If you do hit a mechanically strong genji who plays around the map well, then he's probably a good enough player that he'd have raped you on any other character anyway. You can't expect to be the best player in every game.
I could maybe get behind slightly lowering the duration of his deflect, because it can be a bit obnoxiously long, in order to better reward good timing, but I don't think he's anywhere near the top of the list of things blizzard need to adress.
Also fuck good junkrats, when they use the ult properly it's just a guaranteed 2+ kills each time T.T
On June 09 2016 03:05 PrinceXizor wrote:
My biggest problems with genji as it comes to playing vs him is he's too quiet so i can't listen to music and hear his footsteps. doesn't make his design less problematic though.
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Genji is only problematic in that he lets really good players style all over worse players, and I don't find that a very big problem.
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On June 09 2016 07:08 yamato77 wrote:
Genji is only problematic in that he lets really good players style all over worse players, and I don't find that a very big problem.
I mean, really good players style on worse players with anything. It's just a little flashier with genji so people get saltier
Plus genji's have a tendency to wreck everyone but still lose because they've been playing tdm when it's an objective game so they have deflated mmr.
Kinda like silver people in league complaining about zed being imba, when half the zed players they lose to would be plat if they played anything decent/easy, but are only stuck in silver because they keep playing zed.
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https://www.twitch.tv/surefour
Arguably best player in OW streaming(with other really good players) for anyone who cares.
Nevermind he's done so he can eat before scrims bad timing.
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On June 09 2016 08:15 red_ wrote:https://www.twitch.tv/surefourArguably best player in OW streaming(with other really good players) for anyone who cares. Nevermind he's done so he can eat before scrims bad timing.
Does surefour ever widow? Or is it always reaver
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On June 09 2016 08:22 killerdog wrote:Does surefour ever widow? Or is it always reaver
He does sometimes, think it depends on the specific comp. Reaver is their 'flex' so it's more natural for him to go Widow since that's the position, they'd have to swap more people for Sure to go Widow.
If they played in the 1 hero limit events last week we might've seen his Widow, or if that's the format events stick with in the future.
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On June 09 2016 08:15 red_ wrote:https://www.twitch.tv/surefourArguably best player in OW streaming(with other really good players) for anyone who cares. Nevermind he's done so he can eat before scrims bad timing.
Wasn't this guy the dude who was accused of cheating a month or so back?
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On June 09 2016 08:36 ketchup wrote:Wasn't this guy the dude who was accused of cheating a month or so back?
Yea the clip that got most people on board the aimbot wagon was a Tracer clip on Lijiang. It's pretty sketchy, if I were forced to weigh in on it I'd say he probably is, but I dunno... he's still fun to watch stream, answers like every question asked in his chat, plays a ton of different classes(all of them ridiculously well), etc.
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seagull's got a pretty good stream but it's much earlier
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InternetHulk(Envy's Flex) streams a ton too, he's less popular for the mainstream audience so you won't see him high on the list but he's another really good player(and he's probably more likely to be playing 'off' things like Zarya and Winston if that's your flavor).
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