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ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
November 29 2014 16:12 GMT
#71161
Also to add that the anti-Fnatic pitchforks were strong even before this occurred. They had/have certain cheating allegations brought up against their players(primarily flusha walling/aim assist). So, their reputation wasn't that clean going into the event.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-29 16:15:14
November 29 2014 16:14 GMT
#71162
The exploit was discovered by someone who made a youtube video out of it, but Fnatic contacted him and asked him to hide the video so noone other than them would know about it before coming into the tournament as well, which doesn't help their reputation now.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
November 29 2014 16:36 GMT
#71163
I'm down for shitter casual cs, I've never played cs before
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
November 29 2014 16:48 GMT
#71164
On November 30 2014 01:36 Nos- wrote:
I'm down for shitter casual cs, I've never played cs before

We will make you a pro90 faggot yet my brother, there is ample time
Useless wet fish.
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
November 29 2014 16:55 GMT
#71165
On November 30 2014 01:48 Capped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2014 01:36 Nos- wrote:
I'm down for shitter casual cs, I've never played cs before

We will make you a pro90 faggot yet my brother, there is ample time


I pray to the spray gods no matter which gun I use yo. Only way to play!
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
November 29 2014 17:24 GMT
#71166
We don't give a damn about the whole state of Michigan,
the whole state of Michigan,
the whole state of Michigan.
We don't give a damn about the whole state of Michigan,
we're from Ohio.

O-H-I-O.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
November 29 2014 17:26 GMT
#71167
Handegg sucks.
Steam: rook492
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 29 2014 17:26 GMT
#71168
On November 30 2014 01:02 Kupon3ss wrote:
tldr:

fnatic used a previously unknown exploit to win match
people pitchfork
dreamhack takes about 5 hours to decide its ok
fnatic management forces the team to ff
people put away pitchforks

at least the management is competent.
liftlift > tsm
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
November 29 2014 17:30 GMT
#71169
On November 30 2014 02:26 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2014 01:02 Kupon3ss wrote:
tldr:

fnatic used a previously unknown exploit to win match
people pitchfork
dreamhack takes about 5 hours to decide its ok
fnatic management forces the team to ff
people put away pitchforks

at least the management is competent.


Actually the Dreamhack guy(Hellspawn?) that Sirscoots interviewed basically said that Fnatic management told him they were forfeiting because they felt they were being unfairly treated even just entering the event to begin with and their players were very sad and distressed about the entire situation and would rather forfeit than continue to play.

So pretty much they took no responsibility(which is obvious since their first reaction was to accuse LDLC of pixelwalking and asking for the replay to begin with).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-29 17:34:12
November 29 2014 17:33 GMT
#71170
On November 30 2014 02:26 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2014 01:02 Kupon3ss wrote:
tldr:

fnatic used a previously unknown exploit to win match
people pitchfork
dreamhack takes about 5 hours to decide its ok
fnatic management forces the team to ff
people put away pitchforks

at least the management is competent.


So don't take this the wrong way but how is this different then Stop lurkers or mutalisk stacking in broodwar? Those are pretty much glitches/at the least not intended to do what they do but whats the difference between new way to use something vs glitch you cant use?

I know next to nothing about CounterStrike so don't bite my head off
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 29 2014 17:33 GMT
#71171
On November 30 2014 02:30 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2014 02:26 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 30 2014 01:02 Kupon3ss wrote:
tldr:

fnatic used a previously unknown exploit to win match
people pitchfork
dreamhack takes about 5 hours to decide its ok
fnatic management forces the team to ff
people put away pitchforks

at least the management is competent.


Actually the Dreamhack guy(Hellspawn?) that Sirscoots interviewed basically said that Fnatic management told him they were forfeiting because they felt they were being unfairly treated even just entering the event to begin with and their players were very sad and distressed about the entire situation and would rather forfeit than continue to play.

So pretty much they took no responsibility(which is obvious since their first reaction was to accuse LDLC of pixelwalking and asking for the replay to begin with).

Sounds like such a cop out. Thorin has been excellent in this so far as well.
liftlift > tsm
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-29 17:41:06
November 29 2014 17:39 GMT
#71172
On November 30 2014 02:33 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2014 02:26 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 30 2014 01:02 Kupon3ss wrote:
tldr:

fnatic used a previously unknown exploit to win match
people pitchfork
dreamhack takes about 5 hours to decide its ok
fnatic management forces the team to ff
people put away pitchforks

at least the management is competent.


So don't take this the wrong way but how is this different then Stop lurkers or mutalisk stacking in broodwar? Those are pretty much glitches/at the least not intended to do what they do but whats the difference between new way to use something vs glitch you cant use?

I know next to nothing about CounterStrike so don't bite my head off


In this case the 'glitch' is using pixelwalking to achieve a boost. It is stated in the rules that pixelwalking is not allowed. It's obvious the boost uses pixelwalking as well so ignorance is not an excuse here.

Also something Thorin and Scoots pointed out(and I'm sure the internet was all over as well) was that in the interview with Devilwalk he mentioned having knowledge of this for ~2months before the event. So to add on to the situation, they admitted to premeditated cheating, since they knew pixelwalking was against the rules entering the event, and yet still used the boost.

Edit: On a related but moving forward note, I am so glad LDLC is through because shox is a fucking treat to watch.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
November 29 2014 17:42 GMT
#71173
Ah okay not in the rules then, that makes sense then. It wasn't me trying to claim ignorance of the glitch so much as wondering when a glitch becomes a new way to play ya know? If it's just not allowed at all and they knew about it and used it anyway then yeah those guys be scumbags.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-29 17:45:41
November 29 2014 17:44 GMT
#71174
Jesus christ, LDLC is fucking beast. This map supposed to be fairly balanced ct vs t right?
liftlift > tsm
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-29 17:46:58
November 29 2014 17:45 GMT
#71175
It comes down to perception tbh, if people like it then it's working as intended or a micro trick. If it's hated like pixel walking then it's an abuse that gets clamped down upon. It's not like there weren't some game absuses that weren't banned, iirc in early BW there was a trick where terrans designate their opponent as an ally when placing widowmines so they wouldn't trigger until the opposing army was in the perfect position then remove the ally flag to trigger the mines. Kespa banned it relatively quickly.

I mean BW would be a hilariously different game without muta stacking and stop lurkers so I'm cool with that kind of glitch abuse.

In fnatic's case standing on pixels that can't be seen (I.e. as a glitch of mapmaking that sometimes occurs) is completely frowned upon by the counter-strike community, boosting is acceptable as long as you stand on places that are clearly visible objects.
Glorious SEA doto
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
November 29 2014 17:47 GMT
#71176
On November 30 2014 02:45 Fusilero wrote:
It comes down to perception tbh, if people like it then it's working as intended or a micro trick. If it's hated like pixel walking then it's an abuse that gets clamped down upon. It's not like there were some game absuses that weren't banned, iirc in early BW there was a trick where terrans designate their opponent as an ally when placing widowmines so they wouldn't trigger until the opposing army was in the perfect position then remove the ally flag to trigger the mines. Kespa banned it relatively quickly.

I mean BW would be a hilariously different game without muta stacking and stop lurkers so I'm cool with that kind of glitch abuse.


Yeah the vulture allied mine trick is a good example of a bw glitch being stamped out.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-29 17:56:46
November 29 2014 17:54 GMT
#71177
On November 30 2014 02:44 wei2coolman wrote:
Jesus christ, LDLC is fucking beast. This map supposed to be fairly balanced ct vs t right?


Dust 2? Its supposed to be T favored. An average score is about 9-6 to T first half. LDLC should have nowhere near the score they have, Na'Vi getting rekt.
Useless wet fish.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 29 2014 17:56 GMT
#71178
On November 30 2014 02:54 Capped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2014 02:44 wei2coolman wrote:
Jesus christ, LDLC is fucking beast. This map supposed to be fairly balanced ct vs t right?


Dust 2? Its supposed to be T favored. An average score is about 9-6 to T first half.

jeez, navi getting completely stomped then. rofl.
liftlift > tsm
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-29 18:03:37
November 29 2014 18:02 GMT
#71179
Guys, I might have accidentally bought WoW (included all the expansions up to the new one) when it was on sale for $5...
On November 30 2014 02:24 red_ wrote:
We don't give a damn about the whole state of Michigan,
the whole state of Michigan,
the whole state of Michigan.
We don't give a damn about the whole state of Michigan,
we're from Ohio.

O-H-I-O.

Also I support this message.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 29 2014 18:06 GMT
#71180
On November 30 2014 03:02 onlywonderboy wrote:
Guys, I might have accidentally bought WoW (included all the expansions up to the new one) when it was on sale for $5...
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2014 02:24 red_ wrote:
We don't give a damn about the whole state of Michigan,
the whole state of Michigan,
the whole state of Michigan.
We don't give a damn about the whole state of Michigan,
we're from Ohio.

O-H-I-O.

Also I support this message.


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