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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 21 2014 19:15 GMT
#69861
Meh, still not as good as Holy Fire.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 19:22:25
November 21 2014 19:21 GMT
#69862
On November 22 2014 04:10 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 04:08 Alzadar wrote:
On November 22 2014 04:07 Scip wrote:
On November 22 2014 04:06 Alzadar wrote:
Healbot could enable some new strategies for the no heal classes.

such as?


Rogue, Shaman and Hunter.

I meant such as what new strategies?


Well currently those classes are on a tight clock vs any kind of aggro/burn deck. e.g. Shaman vs Hunter will basically never make it to turn 10 regardless of what kind of deck the Shaman is playing. You win fast or you die. Enabling classes that previously had a fixed 30 health pool to go up to 46 health could be a big deal.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 21 2014 19:22 GMT
#69863
Priestess of Elune is a 6-mana 5/4 and is one of the worst cards in the game. Healbot is a 5 mana 3/3. 4 more healing is not enough upside to make that good.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 21 2014 19:23 GMT
#69864
On November 22 2014 04:21 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 04:10 Scip wrote:
On November 22 2014 04:08 Alzadar wrote:
On November 22 2014 04:07 Scip wrote:
On November 22 2014 04:06 Alzadar wrote:
Healbot could enable some new strategies for the no heal classes.

such as?


Rogue, Shaman and Hunter.

I meant such as what new strategies?


Well currently those classes are on a tight clock vs any kind of aggro/burn deck. e.g. Shaman vs Hunter will basically never make it to turn 10 regardless of what kind of deck the Shaman is playing. You win fast or you die. Enabling classes that previously had a fixed 30 health pool to go up to 46 health could be a big deal.


Where do you imagine a Shaman playing Antique Healerbot in that matchup?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 21 2014 19:25 GMT
#69865
Any time you bought from gaining 8 health is instantly negated by the tempo you lost spending your turn 5 to put a vanilla 3/3 on the board.
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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 19:27:49
November 21 2014 19:26 GMT
#69866
6/7 mana Shaman vs Hunter is almost always hunter rolls over them or the Shaman get board around 4/5 and then just needs enough time to kill the hunter before they get burned down. Its useful vs burn mage too.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 19:29:25
November 21 2014 19:26 GMT
#69867
On November 22 2014 04:21 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 04:10 Scip wrote:
On November 22 2014 04:08 Alzadar wrote:
On November 22 2014 04:07 Scip wrote:
On November 22 2014 04:06 Alzadar wrote:
Healbot could enable some new strategies for the no heal classes.

such as?


Rogue, Shaman and Hunter.

I meant such as what new strategies?


Well currently those classes are on a tight clock vs any kind of aggro/burn deck. e.g. Shaman vs Hunter will basically never make it to turn 10 regardless of what kind of deck the Shaman is playing. You win fast or you die. Enabling classes that previously had a fixed 30 health pool to go up to 46 health could be a big deal.


In that type of deck, I don't think you're gonna wanna pause for turn 5 to heal 8 and get a measly 3/3
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 21 2014 19:30 GMT
#69868
Sludge belcher is 3/5 and 1/2 which is effectively 7 hp in most cases and harder to deal with than a 3/3.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
November 21 2014 19:31 GMT
#69869
You could also just add Farseer and he'd be better against every other class and actually vs hunter probably too.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 19:39:59
November 21 2014 19:34 GMT
#69870
Even Voodoo Doctor probably gets more value on average than Healbot tbh. Being able to play it earlier and trade with something will often negate the difference in amount healed (even if it trades with a 1/1 its effectively healing 4 more because thats 4 turns where the 1/1 isn't attacking you).

ERF's just actually a good card.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
November 21 2014 19:37 GMT
#69871
On November 22 2014 04:25 TheYango wrote:
Any time you bought from gaining 8 health is instantly negated by the tempo you lost spending your turn 5 to put a vanilla 3/3 on the board.

thats why its a turn 7 play with healbot + recombobulator
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
November 21 2014 19:38 GMT
#69872
On November 22 2014 04:34 TheYango wrote:
Even Voodoo Doctor probably gets more value on average than Healbot tbh.

ERF's just actually a good card.


Now you're just trolling me. The key resource in Shaman vs Hunter is health but that doesn't mean cards mean nothing. Healing Touch + 3/3 for 2 in one card is acceptable card value.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 21 2014 19:38 GMT
#69873
On November 22 2014 04:31 Scip wrote:
You could also just add Farseer and he'd be better against every other class and actually vs hunter probably too.

Pretty much this.

There's no way in hell you'd ever play Healbot on turn 5. I'm saying late game, it'd still wouldn't be worth the cost. Def Priestess of Elune tier unless Blizz release released a reverse Holy Fire/Soulpriestess minion variant (deal hero damage for what you heal yourself).
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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 19:41:26
November 21 2014 19:39 GMT
#69874
Shaman already has better 3 drops and belchers are bad in a lot of control MU and are rarely value card vs hunter as it is too slow same with burn mage. Shamans have enough taunt with argus and wolves vs aggro. Farseer is not a good 3 drop for shamans and voodoo doctor is bad vs mage and weak vs hunter useless vs control.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 21 2014 19:42 GMT
#69875
I don't see how "Belchers are bad in some control MUs" is remotely an argument when this is worse in any equivalent scenario.
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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
November 21 2014 19:43 GMT
#69876
On November 22 2014 04:42 TheYango wrote:
I don't see how "Belchers are bad in some control MUs" is remotely an argument when this is worse in any equivalent scenario.

I guess this is better than Belcher vs Shadow Madness.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 21 2014 19:52 GMT
#69877
Wow wtf how did I get unsubscribed from this thread
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
November 21 2014 19:54 GMT
#69878
What does subscribing even do?
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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 19:58:03
November 21 2014 19:55 GMT
#69879
It often better vs Warrior and Paladin since you can get greater doom hammer value / rockbiter value. The MU where belcher is vastly superior over healing is non malygos miracle and shitty aggro decks.

Obviously if you want better cards vs control there are plenty of other options. Almost all shaman decks have dropped belcher and currently they have 3 core drops.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 19:57:55
November 21 2014 19:57 GMT
#69880
On November 22 2014 04:54 Alzadar wrote:
What does subscribing even do?

makes it easier to pick up where you left off, which is useful considering how fast this thread moves

Also wave did you decide what game you're getting yet?
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