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Dandel Ion
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On August 18 2014 06:51 Dandel Ion wrote: the song is incorrect, if you were born as you are now your mother would have been ripped into pieces during labour | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
Don't know how/if you can embed that type of video so it's a link instead. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I've tried more control oriented decks (not miracle because I don't have Auctioneer nor Preparation, but they use Leroy too anyway), I've tried aggro decks where I swapped Leroy for Argent Commander (the closest there is to budget replacement with Crystal Golem), or Crystal Golem, or even very aggro decks with both, and none of them seem to work (last try was Backspace Rogue). + Show Spoiler + Often times I barely draw enough to keep the board clean, without being able to deal damage to the face, and I end up losing steam (and they get a huge card advantage because aggro rogue decks don't have much value from individual cards, they rely on combos) and more or less slowly losing. Other times they don't play anything and my draws don't play into it (as in I have stuff like cold blood that I can't play because they spam removal but never play minions, so I can't use my own removal to remove the threat while preserving my minion and buffing it to hit face and said removal becomes useless against bigger minions later on, while stuff like cold blood or blade flurry sits idle in my hand). Other times I straight up lose to stuff like the aggro paladin (which doesn't rely on Leroy), ramp up Druid (I simply cannot kill him fast enough due to lack of finisher (also innervate -> yeti/DotC hard to remove obv.)), aggro warlock who beats my lack of draw, etc. There are the random RNG shit too, like the Hunter topdecking the UtH or the lightning storm from a chaman that kills all my 3 HP minions, etc. And of course all the times I lose to decks with legendaries, be it Mage with Antonidas who just removed my minions with sorcerer's apprentice -> arcane missiles till I didn't have anything to deal with the water elemental who stalled by freezing my face, the hunter or paladin who has Leroy, the Hunter with King Mukla and later King Krush, the rogue with Leroy, and all of the Ragnaros. There are a bunch of games where obviously it's just the draw that sucks and having Leroy wouldn't change anything (see: the removal spam shit that never gives me something to buff or hit face with or use my removal efficiently until it's too late) but there are others, typically other aggro match-ups, and some like druids (depends a bunch, I'd win some but others are just doomed from the start, having a "lucky" draw seems much more important when I play rogue than any other class but maybe Warlock so far) where my lack of finisher is definitely what kills me. And even the class I have the easiest time winning against is rogue. I don't think I've ever lost to a Rogue that didn't kill me with a Leroy combo for the last 5 weeks (when I started playing against). So... is there a type of deck that can be played without Leroy (or 2 Preparations) for Rogue? If not I'll have to drop the class until I open a Leroy I guess, since my break left me with too little gold to open all of Naxxramas so I'm not going to be able to play a bunch of arena (and thus not craft anything) for quite some time. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
If you having problem with card draw put in some more Coldlights or Acolyte for Mircale deck. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Maybe I should just try to ignore the board and hit face more often and pray they don't have buffs. Man again a Paladin with SoJ. Way to make me feel miserable with my pitiful and now useless Fan of Knives. T_T | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 18 2014 08:07 Alaric wrote: Yeah I'm basically using Backspace with Argent Commanders in place of Leroy and Mukla, and the lack of early power is annoying. I noticed that Golems are actualyl quite good thanks to the low mana cost but the lower damage still means I have less reach, and I'm warier of using them early because of the additional mana if I don't kill. Maybe I should just try to ignore the board and hit face more often and pray they don't have buffs. Well yea sometimes you want to ignore the board. You are the aggressor in pretty much most matchups so if you always just trading you are going to lose steam eventually. Have to find a balance between trading and just getting damage on the hero. The ideal situation is for him to constantly be forced to trade with you while you hit the face then unleash a 15-20 hero burst. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On August 18 2014 08:07 Alaric wrote: Yeah I'm basically using Backspace with Argent Commanders in place of Leroy and Mukla, and the lack of early power is annoying. I noticed that Golems are actualyl quite good thanks to the low mana cost but the lower damage still means I have less reach, and I'm warier of using them early because of the additional mana if I don't kill. Maybe I should just try to ignore the board and hit face more often and pray they don't have buffs. Man again a Paladin with SoJ. Way to make me feel miserable with my pitiful and now useless Fan of Knives. T_T Replace Mukla and Leeroy with dancing swords. Argent commanders are to slow | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
This is the deck I'm using for backspace atm. You should only really be missing Leeroy. Think it's decent, could prob tweak it a bit but prob better than what you using currently. I'd update it but kind of stopped playing rogue . + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OIyNYSI.jpg) | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
Been reading "War Crimes" novel that is pretty much a precursor to Warlords. God I so badly want to get back into WoW again..... | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On August 18 2014 10:04 red_ wrote: So much Hearthstone... lol let disinterest flow through you. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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caelym
United States6430 Posts
On August 18 2014 07:53 Alaric wrote: Genuine HS question: is it possible to play Rogue at all without Leroy? I've tried more control oriented decks (not miracle because I don't have Auctioneer nor Preparation, but they use Leroy too anyway), I've tried aggro decks where I swapped Leroy for Argent Commander (the closest there is to budget replacement with Crystal Golem), or Crystal Golem, or even very aggro decks with both, and none of them seem to work (last try was Backspace Rogue). + Show Spoiler + Often times I barely draw enough to keep the board clean, without being able to deal damage to the face, and I end up losing steam (and they get a huge card advantage because aggro rogue decks don't have much value from individual cards, they rely on combos) and more or less slowly losing. Other times they don't play anything and my draws don't play into it (as in I have stuff like cold blood that I can't play because they spam removal but never play minions, so I can't use my own removal to remove the threat while preserving my minion and buffing it to hit face and said removal becomes useless against bigger minions later on, while stuff like cold blood or blade flurry sits idle in my hand). Other times I straight up lose to stuff like the aggro paladin (which doesn't rely on Leroy), ramp up Druid (I simply cannot kill him fast enough due to lack of finisher (also innervate -> yeti/DotC hard to remove obv.)), aggro warlock who beats my lack of draw, etc. There are the random RNG shit too, like the Hunter topdecking the UtH or the lightning storm from a chaman that kills all my 3 HP minions, etc. And of course all the times I lose to decks with legendaries, be it Mage with Antonidas who just removed my minions with sorcerer's apprentice -> arcane missiles till I didn't have anything to deal with the water elemental who stalled by freezing my face, the hunter or paladin who has Leroy, the Hunter with King Mukla and later King Krush, the rogue with Leroy, and all of the Ragnaros. There are a bunch of games where obviously it's just the draw that sucks and having Leroy wouldn't change anything (see: the removal spam shit that never gives me something to buff or hit face with or use my removal efficiently until it's too late) but there are others, typically other aggro match-ups, and some like druids (depends a bunch, I'd win some but others are just doomed from the start, having a "lucky" draw seems much more important when I play rogue than any other class but maybe Warlock so far) where my lack of finisher is definitely what kills me. And even the class I have the easiest time winning against is rogue. I don't think I've ever lost to a Rogue that didn't kill me with a Leroy combo for the last 5 weeks (when I started playing against). So... is there a type of deck that can be played without Leroy (or 2 Preparations) for Rogue? If not I'll have to drop the class until I open a Leroy I guess, since my break left me with too little gold to open all of Naxxramas so I'm not going to be able to play a bunch of arena (and thus not craft anything) for quite some time. you can do aggro rogue with arcane golem stuff. laddering update: still rank 2. got to rank 1 4 stars, then lost 5 in a row. fuck. | ||
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