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Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
June 16 2014 20:06 GMT
#44161
what the fuck? That was disgusting
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Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
June 16 2014 20:08 GMT
#44162
On June 17 2014 05:06 Nos- wrote:
what the fuck? That was disgusting


He got a 10 game suspension for that...

I'd have him tried in court.
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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 16 2014 20:09 GMT
#44163
yeah stomping on him and pushing his face into the ground and socking someone else in the face after the play is over is pretty bm
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
June 16 2014 20:23 GMT
#44164
Glad to hear you're doing well Wave!
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
June 16 2014 20:23 GMT
#44165
On June 17 2014 04:42 Requizen wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [World Cup] +
Soccer is boring

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You can stay.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23470 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-16 20:32:43
June 16 2014 20:30 GMT
#44166
On June 17 2014 04:53 red_ wrote:
I'm going to clarify my position so that this isn't a discussion over the semantics of 'likeliness.' My overarching point is that 'peak condition' and 'average human being' aren't really that far removed when it comes to chances of contracting different cancers. Once you eliminate obvious things like smoking cigarettes and inhaling asbestos and whatnot, cancer doesn't really give a shit that Ronaldo is 9% bodyfat and can run for miles with much less perceived effort, and happens to be a magician with his feet and a football.

Cancer killed some 550k people in the US in 2010(that was the date for the cdc stats, didn't care to dig seeing if they have more recent ones as for the purposes of this discussion it's just fine), which means that EVERYONE has a pretty damn slim chance of dying from it. "Someone like Ronaldo" is basically the same as saying "not fat people who aren't at high risk of diabetes and heart disease" which isn't saying much. That's pretty much my point.


equating health with %bodyfat is ludicrous
and i said "except cancer" the whole time. you said "most major diseases don't give a fuck about your condition" when aside from cancer they pretty much dl
if your arterties are super elastic and shit you wont get heart attacks
i think someone study and inuits with a fish and blubber diet had ZERO cases of heart disease throughout the 70's and when they moved to denmark those stats went to normal

and ronaldo is at a young enough age that cancer is also very unlikely

its like you're talking to a wall here you havent responded to any of my points you just seem to be angry at cancer for killing so many people who don't "deserve it"
aka Teutonica
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
June 16 2014 20:43 GMT
#44167
On June 17 2014 03:40 Slayer91 wrote:
also someone like ronaldo is very unlikely to need anyone to save his life considering that he's in peak health and condition and is unlikely to develop any major disease maybe cancer when he's old and going to die relatively soon anyway


I think the disconnect is there.

Ronaldo is very unlikely to contract heart disease, yes. He is still just as likely to get cancer or get hit by a car, which kills way more people in his age range than heart disease to begin with. So by being healthy he is only slightly less likely to die.

tl;dr everyone gets fucked
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-16 20:58:56
June 16 2014 20:58 GMT
#44168
On June 17 2014 05:30 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 04:53 red_ wrote:
I'm going to clarify my position so that this isn't a discussion over the semantics of 'likeliness.' My overarching point is that 'peak condition' and 'average human being' aren't really that far removed when it comes to chances of contracting different cancers. Once you eliminate obvious things like smoking cigarettes and inhaling asbestos and whatnot, cancer doesn't really give a shit that Ronaldo is 9% bodyfat and can run for miles with much less perceived effort, and happens to be a magician with his feet and a football.

Cancer killed some 550k people in the US in 2010(that was the date for the cdc stats, didn't care to dig seeing if they have more recent ones as for the purposes of this discussion it's just fine), which means that EVERYONE has a pretty damn slim chance of dying from it. "Someone like Ronaldo" is basically the same as saying "not fat people who aren't at high risk of diabetes and heart disease" which isn't saying much. That's pretty much my point.


equating health with %bodyfat is ludicrous
and i said "except cancer" the whole time. you said "most major diseases don't give a fuck about your condition" when aside from cancer they pretty much dl
if your arterties are super elastic and shit you wont get heart attacks
i think someone study and inuits with a fish and blubber diet had ZERO cases of heart disease throughout the 70's and when they moved to denmark those stats went to normal

and ronaldo is at a young enough age that cancer is also very unlikely

its like you're talking to a wall here you havent responded to any of my points you just seem to be angry at cancer for killing so many people who don't "deserve it"


Your initial position was about 'peak health and condition'(which when applied to 'someone like Ronaldo' means conditioning, like cardiovascular health and bodyfat %, because you literally don't know anything about his health profile beyond that unless you are his personal doctor) and its role in his likeliness to face death. I have indeed talked to you point(singular, you had one), and yes I never addressed other diseases because there is no need to, but for what it's worth, being in shape will not save your from Meningitis, or Malaria, or AIDS, or diseases FAR rarer than cancer that you will only encounter if you venture into jungles with your bare feet or whatever condition is required to catch/contract them.

Heart Disease is essentially the only thing that maintaining 'good health' will save you from, and in a sort of irony, the activities that keep one in shape can actually kill you' by triggering heart failure due to undiagnosed cardiomyopathies(yes, these are also rare). Even Heart Disease, the highest killer of human beings besides ourselves(violence, accidents, suicide), kills at an incredibly small rate in the country most known for it, and while it does 'significantly' cut down on life expectancy(by about 10 years in the morbidly obese), that still puts you into your 60s for the average person.

This is why I called your initial post 'stupid shit.' You are arguing that a person who faces almost exactly the same chance of dying on any given day as anyone on this planet in a developed country, is somehow exempt from ever requiring aid from a doctor, and that's without going into how much money and professional care is given to professional athletes to keep them up and running(literally) because of serious injury induced by playing their sport.

In short(jokes), athletes need doctors.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 16 2014 20:59 GMT
#44169
how hard is US gonna get tooled by ghana?
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
June 16 2014 21:00 GMT
#44170
Not a soccer fan, but my friends seem to think US can win.
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Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
June 16 2014 21:02 GMT
#44171
Is Ghana a strong team? I legitimately have no idea where USA and Ghana stand in terms of soccer prowess
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-16 21:07:24
June 16 2014 21:03 GMT
#44172
Both are not exactly the pinnacle of football.

€: that means they're gonna be fighting for who drops out of the group in 3rd place instead 4th
yes as bad as portugal is and as much as i want them to lose they won't.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
June 16 2014 21:07 GMT
#44173
On June 17 2014 06:02 Nos- wrote:
Is Ghana a strong team? I legitimately have no idea where USA and Ghana stand in terms of soccer prowess

Iirc, US is ranked 13th and Ghana 30-sumthing according to FIFA.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 16 2014 21:11 GMT
#44174
On June 17 2014 06:03 Dandel Ion wrote:
Both are not exactly the pinnacle of football.

€: that means they're gonna be fighting for who drops out of the group in 3rd place instead 4th
yes as bad as portugal is and as much as i want them to lose they won't.

Depends how bad the injuries are for portugal. Imo USA has a decent chance if they win this match.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 16 2014 21:12 GMT
#44175
On June 17 2014 06:07 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 06:02 Nos- wrote:
Is Ghana a strong team? I legitimately have no idea where USA and Ghana stand in terms of soccer prowess

Iirc, US is ranked 13th and Ghana 30-sumthing according to FIFA.


Fifa rankings are a lot like LoL rankings. Rather meaningless because of the lack of cross regional play.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23470 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-16 21:15:10
June 16 2014 21:13 GMT
#44176
On June 17 2014 05:58 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 05:30 Slayer91 wrote:
On June 17 2014 04:53 red_ wrote:
I'm going to clarify my position so that this isn't a discussion over the semantics of 'likeliness.' My overarching point is that 'peak condition' and 'average human being' aren't really that far removed when it comes to chances of contracting different cancers. Once you eliminate obvious things like smoking cigarettes and inhaling asbestos and whatnot, cancer doesn't really give a shit that Ronaldo is 9% bodyfat and can run for miles with much less perceived effort, and happens to be a magician with his feet and a football.

Cancer killed some 550k people in the US in 2010(that was the date for the cdc stats, didn't care to dig seeing if they have more recent ones as for the purposes of this discussion it's just fine), which means that EVERYONE has a pretty damn slim chance of dying from it. "Someone like Ronaldo" is basically the same as saying "not fat people who aren't at high risk of diabetes and heart disease" which isn't saying much. That's pretty much my point.


equating health with %bodyfat is ludicrous
and i said "except cancer" the whole time. you said "most major diseases don't give a fuck about your condition" when aside from cancer they pretty much dl
if your arterties are super elastic and shit you wont get heart attacks
i think someone study and inuits with a fish and blubber diet had ZERO cases of heart disease throughout the 70's and when they moved to denmark those stats went to normal

and ronaldo is at a young enough age that cancer is also very unlikely

its like you're talking to a wall here you havent responded to any of my points you just seem to be angry at cancer for killing so many people who don't "deserve it"


Your initial position was about 'peak health and condition'(which when applied to 'someone like Ronaldo' means conditioning, like cardiovascular health and bodyfat %, because you literally don't know anything about his health profile beyond that unless you are his personal doctor) and its role in his likeliness to face death. I have indeed talked to you point(singular, you had one), and yes I never addressed other diseases because there is no need to, but for what it's worth, being in shape will not save your from Meningitis, or Malaria, or AIDS, or diseases FAR rarer than cancer that you will only encounter if you venture into jungles with your bare feet or whatever condition is required to catch/contract them.

Heart Disease is essentially the only thing that maintaining 'good health' will save you from, and in a sort of irony, the activities that keep one in shape can actually kill you' by triggering heart failure due to undiagnosed cardiomyopathies(yes, these are also rare). Even Heart Disease, the highest killer of human beings besides ourselves(violence, accidents, suicide), kills at an incredibly small rate in the country most known for it, and while it does 'significantly' cut down on life expectancy(by about 10 years in the morbidly obese), that still puts you into your 60s for the average person.

This is why I called your initial post 'stupid shit.' You are arguing that a person who faces almost exactly the same chance of dying on any given day as anyone on this planet in a developed country, is somehow exempt from ever requiring aid from a doctor, and that's without going into how much money and professional care is given to professional athletes to keep them up and running(literally) because of serious injury induced by playing their sport.

In short(jokes), athletes need doctors.


I think we can safely say that ronaldo probably has an exceptionally healthy diet in order to maintain the competitive edge
i mean diet and training are the two non mental aspects no way any top athlete today doesn't have an excellently healthy diet

I think its absurd to say he has the same chance as anyone else
all the people with a genetic condition
all the people who bad diets (tons of people)
anyone with bad heart, diabetes, parkisons, alzheimers (those two might not be deadly but you might as well be dead if they get too bad lol) pretty much anything except cancers
all people with any kind of drug or alcohol problems
people who are reckless drivers
people with dangerous jobs

absolutely athletes need doctors considering all the injuries especially, but i bet if everyone was on that calibur of health you'd probably need like 20% of the health workers we have today
i havent checked out the stats tho its just a vague guess

i mean people who have to drive a lot will find themselves in car accidents

its not "everyone gets fucked" its "very few people get fucked and a lot of them have mental and or physical health problems"
although car accidents are a major one I bet someone in great mental and phyiscal health and awareness is much most likely to survive a car accident thanks to good reflexes awareness and more likely to be able to recover from the damage if potentially lethal.
aka Teutonica
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
June 16 2014 21:13 GMT
#44177
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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
June 16 2014 21:16 GMT
#44178
On June 17 2014 05:08 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 05:06 Nos- wrote:
what the fuck? That was disgusting


He got a 10 game suspension for that...

I'd have him tried in court.


That was actually fucking disgusting behaviour. I've been on both sides of a one-sided fight and seen my fair share too and ive never seen such disgusting violence. Like you throw a few hits out and if the guy goes down you've done your shit, it gets left at that, you don't keep fucking attacking him and going back again and again while fighting others too. Fuck even when i got mugged and struggled i wasn't beaten that badly.

Jesus what a cunt.
Useless wet fish.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 16 2014 21:22 GMT
#44179
On June 17 2014 06:16 Capped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 05:08 Doctorbeat wrote:
On June 17 2014 05:06 Nos- wrote:
what the fuck? That was disgusting


He got a 10 game suspension for that...

I'd have him tried in court.


That was actually fucking disgusting behaviour. I've been on both sides of a one-sided fight and seen my fair share too and ive never seen such disgusting violence. Like you throw a few hits out and if the guy goes down you've done your shit, it gets left at that, you don't keep fucking attacking him and going back again and again while fighting others too. Fuck even when i got mugged and struggled i wasn't beaten that badly.

Jesus what a cunt.


Pepe is human trash and shouldn't be allowed to play football or anything in the public eye.
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-16 21:24:52
June 16 2014 21:24 GMT
#44180
Ghana is twice 4th placed in the Africa cup of Nations, so who knows.
CS:GO finals from Dreamhack in 30 mins or so, I think it's a really good spectator e-sport. Especially when casters explain save-rounds etc.
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