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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33330 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-28 03:10:18
July 28 2021 03:08 GMT
#1
[image loading]DreamHack SC2 Masters Fall


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Europe: July 28 - August 15
North America: August 3 - 15
Latin America: July 28 - August 1
China: August 4 - 8
Taiwan / Hong Kong / Macau / Japan: July 28 - August 1
Oceania & Rest of Asia: July 28 - August 1


Players

Europe


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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-28 16:04:53
July 28 2021 16:04 GMT
#2
With delays carrying over from one region to the next, let's hope that ESL pays casters by the hour.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8230 Posts
July 28 2021 17:12 GMT
#3
Wow this LR is dead
ZombieGrub
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States693 Posts
July 28 2021 17:14 GMT
#4
On July 29 2021 01:04 JustPassingBy wrote:
With delays carrying over from one region to the next, let's hope that ESL pays casters by the hour.


Haha unfortunately not. Hopefully the games are super fun to make up for the delay.
Commentator"Defeat is the acceptance of my own laziness." - SlayerS_'Boxer'
Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States444 Posts
July 28 2021 18:35 GMT
#5
On July 29 2021 02:12 geokilla wrote:
Wow this LR is dead


Who woulda guessed ESL known for downtime and add in a hard to follow format + a ton of lack luster matchups. Not shocking the LR is dead, though the stream numbers are looking ok.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
July 28 2021 20:35 GMT
#6
There it is, Lilbow return to pro SC2, the moment he has been practicing to since mid 2015.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
351 Posts
July 28 2021 21:02 GMT
#7
On July 29 2021 05:35 Nakajin wrote:
There it is, Lilbow return to pro SC2, the moment he has been practicing to since mid 2015.


uThermal is giving him a rude welcoming back, he he he.
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States444 Posts
July 30 2021 16:32 GMT
#8
FWIW the main ESL stream isn't showing up under the event streams.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
July 30 2021 18:04 GMT
#9
On July 29 2021 05:35 Nakajin wrote:
There it is, Lilbow return to pro SC2, the moment he has been practicing to since mid 2015.

ha ha ha that was harsh
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-31 16:51:33
July 31 2021 16:49 GMT
#10
huge production issues today, that's sad

edit : looks like things are getting normal again, what a relief
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-31 17:33:13
July 31 2021 17:28 GMT
#11
Dns souL was hilarious and thrilling. Watch the endgame, you won't regret it.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
August 01 2021 01:56 GMT
#12
Why did Terran forfeit his game against Major but play against Kelazhur
Lazzarus
Profile Joined December 2008
Faroe Islands114 Posts
August 01 2021 17:54 GMT
#13
Domination from Serral
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium3999 Posts
August 02 2021 15:10 GMT
#14
Shoutout to souL !!!
+ Show Spoiler +
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Drone is a way of living
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2747 Posts
August 03 2021 17:44 GMT
#15
So many pvp today zzzzzz
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2747 Posts
August 04 2021 23:38 GMT
#16
Mlord tvz is pretty good, his perf vs lambo was impressive.
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
August 05 2021 02:16 GMT
#17
I usually watch GSL so I don't know the dreamhack format and this is a real question, but I see lots of regions listed and none of them are Korea. Whats going on? How does this work?
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3339 Posts
August 05 2021 04:00 GMT
#18
On August 05 2021 11:16 General_Winter wrote:
I usually watch GSL so I don't know the dreamhack format and this is a real question, but I see lots of regions listed and none of them are Korea. Whats going on? How does this work?

Top 4 from current GSL season will go to the DH Global Finals, the other 4 players from top 8 will have the play-in to send 2 more players into DH. So KR will have 6 players in total for the DH.
Gina
Profile Joined July 2019
241 Posts
August 05 2021 07:56 GMT
#19
Only just now tumbled to it that the order of the matches is arranged so that the top seeds play each other after all/most other matches are done. Makes total sense of course.
Omit needles swords.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
August 05 2021 13:03 GMT
#20
On August 05 2021 11:16 General_Winter wrote:
I usually watch GSL so I don't know the dreamhack format and this is a real question, but I see lots of regions listed and none of them are Korea. Whats going on? How does this work?

Basically GSL = Korean Regional
MaxPax
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
August 08 2021 09:51 GMT
#21
Are mainstream's (esl_sc2) vods hidden somewhere? I can only find the china portions from the last couple of days, eu and na portions nowhere to be found. The b-stream vods appear as normal.
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
hjpalpha
Profile Joined August 2017
Germany339 Posts
August 08 2021 10:42 GMT
#22
A Small (Liquipedia based) Preview of the final day of the EU Group Stage:

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(we will tweet those later today (~15:00 CEST) too, a like would be appreciated)
LiquipediaSCV ready | SC2-Liquipedia Admin, reviewer and editor | Wax called me a Liquipedia wizard in one of his articles for 2019 WCS Standings
bela.mervado
Profile Joined December 2008
Hungary385 Posts
August 08 2021 11:37 GMT
#23
On August 08 2021 19:42 hjpalpha wrote:
A Small (Liquipedia based) Preview of the final day of the EU Group Stage:
..


nice, thank you!
hjpalpha
Profile Joined August 2017
Germany339 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-08 12:03:33
August 08 2021 12:03 GMT
#24
On August 08 2021 20:37 bela.mervado wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2021 19:42 hjpalpha wrote:
A Small (Liquipedia based) Preview of the final day of the EU Group Stage:
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nice, thank you!


we will also tweet a na version shortly after 20:00 CEST
LiquipediaSCV ready | SC2-Liquipedia Admin, reviewer and editor | Wax called me a Liquipedia wizard in one of his articles for 2019 WCS Standings
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-08 13:49:10
August 08 2021 13:48 GMT
#25
On August 08 2021 19:42 hjpalpha wrote:
A Small (Liquipedia based) Preview of the final day of the EU Group Stage:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

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[image loading]

(we will tweet those later today (~15:00 CEST) too, a like would be appreciated)


Thanks nice little recap
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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-08 15:28:32
August 08 2021 15:28 GMT
#26
Does Lambo still has a chance to advance in Group D?
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
August 08 2021 15:33 GMT
#27
On August 09 2021 00:28 swarminfestor wrote:
Does Lambo still has a chance to advance in Group D?




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MaxPax
ilax300
Profile Joined January 2021
15 Posts
August 08 2021 15:59 GMT
#28
Pretty nuts Elazer has a decent chance to go out of the tournament when he won the first 3 matches of the tournament. Apart from his loss some other results actually went his way yesterday meaning he can only go out if he loses 0-2 and Drogo wins 2-0. But considering elazer plays heromarine and drogo plays Ziggy its still very possible
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
August 08 2021 16:02 GMT
#29
Reynor - Showtime game one was amazing
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
August 08 2021 16:42 GMT
#30
Clem vs Maxpax is also great!
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden694 Posts
August 08 2021 18:43 GMT
#31
nice game1 Serral vs Lambo
ilax300
Profile Joined January 2021
15 Posts
August 08 2021 18:53 GMT
#32
On August 09 2021 00:59 ilax300 wrote:
Pretty nuts Elazer has a decent chance to go out of the tournament when he won the first 3 matches of the tournament. Apart from his loss some other results actually went his way yesterday meaning he can only go out if he loses 0-2 and Drogo wins 2-0. But considering elazer plays heromarine and drogo plays Ziggy its still very possible


Well.. That just happend ooh well
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden694 Posts
August 08 2021 19:12 GMT
#33
3 Zerg, 5 Terran and 8 Protosses to the playoffs.

Hopefully there will be a bracket set tonight
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden694 Posts
August 08 2021 19:22 GMT
#34
juicy games in the bracket

lower bracket, all those tosses :p
warnull
Profile Joined February 2016
United States280 Posts
August 08 2021 20:07 GMT
#35
Scarlett vs Astrea game 1 was really well played by Scarlett. Scarlett took really great fights while Astrea attempted to build skytoss.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6865 Posts
August 09 2021 12:58 GMT
#36
Tough luck MaxPax. Serral is out for blood.

Upper bracket has some clear favorites with Reynor, Serral, German and Clem
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
August 10 2021 10:57 GMT
#37
On August 09 2021 21:58 Harris1st wrote:
Tough luck MaxPax. Serral is out for blood.

Upper bracket has some clear favorites with Reynor, Serral, German and Clem

Yeah, Vanya, MaxPax, German and MLord are pretty Big Underdogs there.
I believe it will be a bit closer in the 2nd part of the breaket.
MaxPax
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-10 14:25:33
August 10 2021 14:25 GMT
#38
The opening ceremony is finally over, sacrifices to Serral and Reynor were made. Now the real tournament can begin.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6865 Posts
August 10 2021 14:59 GMT
#39
On August 10 2021 19:57 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2021 21:58 Harris1st wrote:
Tough luck MaxPax. Serral is out for blood.

Upper bracket has some clear favorites with Reynor, Serral, German and Clem

Yeah, Vanya, MaxPax, German and MLord are pretty Big Underdogs there.
I believe it will be a bit closer in the 2nd part of the breaket.


Vanya does not agree
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
August 10 2021 16:02 GMT
#40
Didn't see much of his games, but Vanya has done amazingly this tournament :O
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3339 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-10 16:56:48
August 10 2021 16:07 GMT
#41
MaxPax goal in game 2 was to make the Skytoss army, and now hes completely clueless on how to use it to take engagement and losing units one by one.

Edit: I like MaxPax game 4 a lot more, he was taking better engagement and was close to give Serral a run for his money. Had Maxpax defended his 2 later bases better during the attack, he really could have won that game.
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2747 Posts
August 10 2021 16:25 GMT
#42
Serral execution in zvp is still close to perfect but it's crazy how he tends to tunnel vision, he had all the informations to know it wasn't a void ray into carrier but a zelots push after his harass on the third.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8230 Posts
August 10 2021 17:21 GMT
#43
What a beautiful game by Showtime. Shows how strong Protoss is when given the freedom to macro. Terran simply can't match if no damage is done.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3453 Posts
August 10 2021 17:49 GMT
#44
Showtime going from a perfect game 1 to blowing up his own army and completely messing up the engage here in game 3 kinda sad :/
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden694 Posts
August 10 2021 19:01 GMT
#45
Awsome game1 from Clem vs Marinelord
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
August 10 2021 19:47 GMT
#46
This is a banger of a series.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8230 Posts
August 10 2021 20:02 GMT
#47
What a fucking game
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 10 2021 20:29 GMT
#48
Clem - MLord g3 was freakin amazing ! And great series overall
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 10 2021 20:38 GMT
#49
My God those cams were so emotional
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
August 10 2021 20:39 GMT
#50
Waow :O
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8230 Posts
August 10 2021 20:39 GMT
#51
Damn Clem got really tilted. Never seen that from him before.
patermatrix
Profile Joined March 2012
64 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-10 20:42:18
August 10 2021 20:40 GMT
#52
What a series. Almost heartbraking seeing Clem so upset, but really great play by Marinelord!

If he can do the same against Heromarine he‘s by no means the underdog.
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1197 Posts
August 10 2021 20:42 GMT
#53
Clem is in the part of the bracket that Serral/Reynor will drop into, at least one of the top 3 will miss out on the season finals.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3339 Posts
August 10 2021 20:42 GMT
#54
Well-deserved win for Marine Lord, look like Clem does not have much practice against TvT Mech style. Also, with the way things go, we will miss one of the Big 3 from EU in the Global Final.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
August 10 2021 20:49 GMT
#55
Damn Clem went from "next Terran bonjwa" to "second best french terran" real fast.
I still think he can make it in the lower bracket.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2747 Posts
August 10 2021 20:51 GMT
#56
Clem is a bit shaky lately but still, mlord seems as good as in 2016 if not even better, his perf in group stage was stellar toon
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12779 Posts
August 10 2021 20:56 GMT
#57
MarineLord seems in the best shape ever since his return, really great! I missed all but his first game vs Clem, gotta rewatch that and HeroMarine wins for sure. Clem seemed back in good shape judging from group stage as well so this is a big win, although MlorD was always good in TvT.
WriterMaru
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 10 2021 21:01 GMT
#58
MLord has indeed been looking amazing in this tournament so far, it is really fantastic to see him perform so well again ! Cannot wait to see how he performs vs HM.
buzz_bender
Profile Joined August 2019
445 Posts
August 11 2021 02:27 GMT
#59
Wow, what a great series by MarineLord against Clem! Clem really needs to curb his aggression in TvT. In so many of the game, Clem would have been such a great position if he just defended and be more patient. He was too aggressive at times, and MarineLord defended well and was patient. Very reminiscent of Clem's series against Maru.
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium3999 Posts
August 11 2021 05:42 GMT
#60
On August 11 2021 05:42 dysenterymd wrote:
Clem is in the part of the bracket that Serral/Reynor will drop into, at least one of the top 3 will miss out on the season finals.


and most likely this will be Serral again ...
Drone is a way of living
patermatrix
Profile Joined March 2012
64 Posts
August 11 2021 07:06 GMT
#61
On August 11 2021 14:42 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2021 05:42 dysenterymd wrote:
Clem is in the part of the bracket that Serral/Reynor will drop into, at least one of the top 3 will miss out on the season finals.


and most likely this will be Serral again ...

Somehow I smell Serral beating Reynor this time
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6865 Posts
August 11 2021 07:40 GMT
#62
On August 11 2021 14:42 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2021 05:42 dysenterymd wrote:
Clem is in the part of the bracket that Serral/Reynor will drop into, at least one of the top 3 will miss out on the season finals.


and most likely this will be Serral again ...


I see it the other way round. Can't imagine it beeing Serral this time.
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-11 08:43:35
August 11 2021 08:43 GMT
#63
On August 11 2021 16:40 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2021 14:42 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
On August 11 2021 05:42 dysenterymd wrote:
Clem is in the part of the bracket that Serral/Reynor will drop into, at least one of the top 3 will miss out on the season finals.


and most likely this will be Serral again ...


I see it the other way round. Can't imagine it beeing Serral this time.

Well if he loses to Reynor then he gets Clem in losers, if Clem manages to get there.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-11 18:51:57
August 11 2021 18:25 GMT
#64
soul with the mega cheese build, disgusting lmao
Was not clean at all but Terran is Terran, Gerald defended super well but mines are just no-skill

Edit: and soul with the cocky BM... no respect for his opponent T_T

User was temp banned for this post.
Faker is the GOAT!
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 11 2021 21:13 GMT
#65
Interesting series (featuring a LOT of DTs) between Neeb and Astrea. Lots of unexpected turns.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 11 2021 21:20 GMT
#66
So Scarlett is playing ZvZ this time ?
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
August 12 2021 08:16 GMT
#67
Pretty excited for Clem vs Drogo.
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
August 12 2021 08:27 GMT
#68
All the eu matches seem pretty good today. Clem feels like the biggest favourite to win his one, and even he ooks the most vulnerable he's been in months.
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
August 12 2021 09:44 GMT
#69
MaxPax 3-2 uThermal
Vanya 3-1 Skillous
Clem 3-1 Drogo
Showtime 3-2 Soul

2 Protoss advance, 2 Protoss Don t
MaxPax
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2747 Posts
August 12 2021 14:32 GMT
#70
Amazing come back by maxpax, even if uthermy late wasn't there, dt/disru are tricky to deal but a swtich on libe like Gabe does would prolly have ended the game.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8230 Posts
August 12 2021 16:56 GMT
#71
DTs are so good lol
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-12 16:57:51
August 12 2021 16:57 GMT
#72
LOOL this series.... Vanya really shouldn't have lost but NICE SKillous, congrats.
Khabra
Profile Joined July 2018
Poland34 Posts
August 12 2021 17:03 GMT
#73
I don't know how Vanya lost this 5th map... He had a huge advantage
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 12 2021 17:12 GMT
#74
On August 13 2021 02:03 Khabra wrote:
I don't know how Vanya lost this 5th map... He had a huge advantage

yeah letting that DT get 28 drone kills... Nerves probably got the better of him.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-12 17:13:24
August 12 2021 17:13 GMT
#75
PtitDrogo 3-0 lets go! Do it for Serral/Reynor
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12144 Posts
August 12 2021 17:26 GMT
#76
I like how he made units and then sent them across the map, that was fun to see.
No will to live, no wish to die
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9172 Posts
August 12 2021 18:23 GMT
#77
The most logical conclusion is that souL should proxy his barracks in the next game.
You're now breathing manually
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3453 Posts
August 12 2021 18:32 GMT
#78
Idk this stargate pvt doesnt convince me recently.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12144 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-12 18:40:31
August 12 2021 18:40 GMT
#79
I always try and watch o'gaming to support the french scene but this is unwatchable. Constant berating of players and race.

It's okay if Showtime is losing to Soul because Soul is skilled too, so the meritocracy is respected, it's not like Clem losing to goblin. What's even the point of saying this
No will to live, no wish to die
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-12 18:48:48
August 12 2021 18:48 GMT
#80
That was such a sexy series from souL. Really threw ShoWTime off his game.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
August 12 2021 19:06 GMT
#81
On August 12 2021 18:44 dbRic1203 wrote:
MaxPax 3-2 uThermal
Vanya 3-1 Skillous
Clem 3-1 Drogo
Showtime 3-2 Soul

2 Protoss advance, 2 Protoss Don t


Well I was right on the 2 Protoss making it, just not the right ones
MaxPax
t5Fab
Profile Joined July 2018
182 Posts
August 13 2021 06:04 GMT
#82
Predictions for today:
Serral 3-0 Reynor
Heromarine 3-2 Marinelord
MaxPax 3-1 Skillous
Clem 3-1 Soul
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
August 13 2021 06:34 GMT
#83
On August 13 2021 15:04 t5Fab wrote:
Predictions for today:
Serral 3-0 Reynor
Heromarine 3-2 Marinelord
MaxPax 3-1 Skillous
Clem 3-1 Soul

Sounds legit
I hope Soul gets at least 1 map win vs Clem, would be sad to get bopped 3-0 after such a strong Performance so far
MaxPax
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
August 13 2021 07:46 GMT
#84
No way Serral sweeps Reynor. That match is played inside their heads like just about no other head to head. Reynor has been living inside Serral's head rent free and I've yet to see any signs of an eviction there. 3-0 the other way is more likely still, if Serral wins it'll be a very tight 3-2.
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
August 13 2021 08:43 GMT
#85
On August 13 2021 16:46 Oukka wrote:
No way Serral sweeps Reynor. That match is played inside their heads like just about no other head to head. Reynor has been living inside Serral's head rent free and I've yet to see any signs of an eviction there. 3-0 the other way is more likely still, if Serral wins it'll be a very tight 3-2.

Reynor isn t in top Top shape at the Moment.
He has a lot of real life stuff to juggle next to Sc2, as of this Post
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=268284885103139&id=100057648897267

So I d say he s the underdog this time
MaxPax
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1197 Posts
August 13 2021 09:09 GMT
#86
Hoping Serral can take a win against Reynor here, tournaments will be a lot more exciting if their rivalry is less one sided.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
August 13 2021 11:14 GMT
#87
On August 13 2021 17:43 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2021 16:46 Oukka wrote:
No way Serral sweeps Reynor. That match is played inside their heads like just about no other head to head. Reynor has been living inside Serral's head rent free and I've yet to see any signs of an eviction there. 3-0 the other way is more likely still, if Serral wins it'll be a very tight 3-2.

Reynor isn t in top Top shape at the Moment.
He has a lot of real life stuff to juggle next to Sc2, as of this Post
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=268284885103139&id=100057648897267

So I d say he s the underdog this time


I don't speak italian, is he saying it's a period of intensive school exam?
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6865 Posts
August 13 2021 11:53 GMT
#88
On August 13 2021 18:09 dysenterymd wrote:
Hoping Serral can take a win against Reynor here, tournaments will be a lot more exciting if their rivalry is less one sided.


Either way, I'm exicted!

MaxPax vs SKillous 3:2
Clem vs souL 3:2
Reynor vs Serral 2:3
HeRoMaRinE vs MarineLorD 3:2

Heres to hoping for 20 games and 4 close series in a row!
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12779 Posts
August 13 2021 12:01 GMT
#89
(P)MaxPax 3-0 (P)SKillous
(T)Clem 3-0 (T)Soul
(Z)Reynor 2-3 (Z)Serral
(T)HeRoMaRinE 2-3 (T)MarineLorD
gogo frenchies!
WriterMaru
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
August 13 2021 14:25 GMT
#90
On August 13 2021 17:43 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2021 16:46 Oukka wrote:
No way Serral sweeps Reynor. That match is played inside their heads like just about no other head to head. Reynor has been living inside Serral's head rent free and I've yet to see any signs of an eviction there. 3-0 the other way is more likely still, if Serral wins it'll be a very tight 3-2.

Reynor isn t in top Top shape at the Moment.
He has a lot of real life stuff to juggle next to Sc2, as of this Post
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=268284885103139&id=100057648897267

So I d say he s the underdog this time

Didn't he say he was going on vacation?
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Noa Greenini
Profile Joined April 2015
265 Posts
August 13 2021 15:16 GMT
#91
I have to say that I really enjoy this shitshow of a series xD I was rooting for MaxPax but damn, I don't even care who wins now ^^
Noa Greenini looks like the superior LR poster - Charoisaur 04/05/2019 (Serral vs Showtime match)
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-13 16:25:36
August 13 2021 16:24 GMT
#92
Lol souL. Lost to a couple of marines & 2 medivacs while being vastly ahead. Reminds me of the DT loss from Vanya yesterday.
Noa Greenini
Profile Joined April 2015
265 Posts
August 13 2021 16:27 GMT
#93
Just wow. That game, this series.
Noa Greenini looks like the superior LR poster - Charoisaur 04/05/2019 (Serral vs Showtime match)
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3339 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-13 16:38:37
August 13 2021 16:36 GMT
#94
Can someone explain why Soul went for pretty zero Starport unit other than Medivac since midgame? Soul just simply hope to caught Tanks from Clem side offguard while his own base is like Swiss-cheese because there is literally nothing to stop Clem from Medivac dropping everywhere, not even building Turret.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
August 13 2021 16:45 GMT
#95
On August 14 2021 01:36 tigera6 wrote:
Can someone explain why Soul went for pretty zero Starport unit other than Medivac since midgame? Soul just simply hope to caught Tanks from Clem side offguard while his own base is like Swiss-cheese because there is literally nothing to stop Clem from Medivac dropping everywhere, not even building Turret.

You're not wrong, it's similar to how Zerg players tend to make comebacks with ling runbys - Clem just does it with medivacs. And souL did not answer it well.
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
August 13 2021 17:12 GMT
#96
Reynor looking like a italian stallion.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 13 2021 18:01 GMT
#97
That hatch save ^^
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-13 18:05:19
August 13 2021 18:04 GMT
#98
gogo Serral, that should lock the season finals spot

uGGGGGGGGG ^^
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1197 Posts
August 13 2021 18:06 GMT
#99
Glad Serral won, but it feels like since 2019 the series between Serral and Reynor have been pretty lackluster game wise. Still fun because of the rivalry and drama but not many memorable games.

Serral has a good shot at taking it all now, he'll be heavily favored in the winners final and Clem likely has to go through two tough TvTs to make it to the final.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
August 13 2021 18:19 GMT
#100
On August 14 2021 03:06 dysenterymd wrote:
Glad Serral won, but it feels like since 2019 the series between Serral and Reynor have been pretty lackluster game wise. Still fun because of the rivalry and drama but not many memorable games.

Serral has a good shot at taking it all now, he'll be heavily favored in the winners final and Clem likely has to go through two tough TvTs to make it to the final.


ZvZ in general has declined in quality in the last year or two, turn out mindgames are pretty good.
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
August 13 2021 18:30 GMT
#101
Marinelord vs Heromarine, battle of not only terrible nicknames, but also useless capitalization
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stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2747 Posts
August 13 2021 19:15 GMT
#102
On August 14 2021 03:06 dysenterymd wrote:
Glad Serral won, but it feels like since 2019 the series between Serral and Reynor have been pretty lackluster game wise. Still fun because of the rivalry and drama but not many memorable games.

Serral has a good shot at taking it all now, he'll be heavily favored in the winners final and Clem likely has to go through two tough TvTs to make it to the final.


In the summer 2020 they had some awesome games !
Shathe
Profile Joined July 2017
Hungary422 Posts
August 13 2021 19:26 GMT
#103
casters giving excuse to Reynor ....
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 13 2021 20:06 GMT
#104
MaSa played a very smart series yesterday, can he bamboozle yet another player ?
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
August 13 2021 20:58 GMT
#105
Masa is looking good!
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 13 2021 21:11 GMT
#106
On August 14 2021 05:58 Nakajin wrote:
Masa is looking good!

Indeed
t5Fab
Profile Joined July 2018
182 Posts
August 14 2021 08:14 GMT
#107
Let's say:
Serral 3-0 Heromarine
MaxPax 3-1 Marinelord
Clem 3-1 Reynor

Clem 3-2 MaxPax
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3453 Posts
August 14 2021 14:34 GMT
#108
Why the hell have terrans become so bad at killing observers like this one.
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2747 Posts
August 14 2021 14:40 GMT
#109
A lot of blunders by maxpax but it's enough
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 14 2021 14:41 GMT
#110
On August 14 2021 23:34 darklycid wrote:
Why the hell have terrans become so bad at killing observers like this one.

I guess it's because they're cutting corners on the eco side to maintain the pressure thus they have less spare energy on their CC.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3453 Posts
August 14 2021 14:42 GMT
#111
On August 14 2021 23:41 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2021 23:34 darklycid wrote:
Why the hell have terrans become so bad at killing observers like this one.

I guess it's because they're cutting corners on the eco side to maintain the pressure thus they have less spare energy on their CC.

Even later on he had still no idea it was there when he had ghosts, it's not about the decision of not killing it it's about spotting it.
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
August 14 2021 14:43 GMT
#112
I missed game one? Was it worth?

Can someone give a quick recap?
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 14 2021 15:01 GMT
#113
Those last 2 games looked like they were decided by "terrible terrible damage", one disruptor connecting in game 2 and a ridiculous mine in game 3.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24974 Posts
August 14 2021 15:07 GMT
#114
On August 14 2021 03:19 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2021 03:06 dysenterymd wrote:
Glad Serral won, but it feels like since 2019 the series between Serral and Reynor have been pretty lackluster game wise. Still fun because of the rivalry and drama but not many memorable games.

Serral has a good shot at taking it all now, he'll be heavily favored in the winners final and Clem likely has to go through two tough TvTs to make it to the final.


ZvZ in general has declined in quality in the last year or two, turn out mindgames are pretty good.

Has it?

Feels to me we got many a quality series when people tried, and usually failed to straight up better Serral in straight up macro slugfests. Least that 2018 thru 19 Serral.

Which gave some great watching for sure. Dragging things into the realm of mindgames adds a ton of intrigue and other factors to consider, the quality level is really high still just tends to be less enjoyable to watch.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2747 Posts
August 14 2021 15:13 GMT
#115
First top 4 by maxpax, gg to him
I don't follow the terran whine train but this disru/dt disru style must be incredibily frustrating to play against.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-14 15:26:44
August 14 2021 15:21 GMT
#116
On August 15 2021 00:07 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2021 03:19 Nakajin wrote:
On August 14 2021 03:06 dysenterymd wrote:
Glad Serral won, but it feels like since 2019 the series between Serral and Reynor have been pretty lackluster game wise. Still fun because of the rivalry and drama but not many memorable games.

Serral has a good shot at taking it all now, he'll be heavily favored in the winners final and Clem likely has to go through two tough TvTs to make it to the final.


ZvZ in general has declined in quality in the last year or two, turn out mindgames are pretty good.

Has it?

Feels to me we got many a quality series when people tried, and usually failed to straight up better Serral in straight up macro slugfests. Least that 2018 thru 19 Serral.

Which gave some great watching for sure. Dragging things into the realm of mindgames adds a ton of intrigue and other factors to consider, the quality level is really high still just tends to be less enjoyable to watch.


Y'a that's what I ment, the level hasn't drop, it just feel a bit less enjoyable to watch meta wise.
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dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1197 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-14 16:18:56
August 14 2021 16:15 GMT
#117
On August 15 2021 00:21 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2021 00:07 WombaT wrote:
On August 14 2021 03:19 Nakajin wrote:
On August 14 2021 03:06 dysenterymd wrote:
Glad Serral won, but it feels like since 2019 the series between Serral and Reynor have been pretty lackluster game wise. Still fun because of the rivalry and drama but not many memorable games.

Serral has a good shot at taking it all now, he'll be heavily favored in the winners final and Clem likely has to go through two tough TvTs to make it to the final.


ZvZ in general has declined in quality in the last year or two, turn out mindgames are pretty good.

Has it?

Feels to me we got many a quality series when people tried, and usually failed to straight up better Serral in straight up macro slugfests. Least that 2018 thru 19 Serral.

Which gave some great watching for sure. Dragging things into the realm of mindgames adds a ton of intrigue and other factors to consider, the quality level is really high still just tends to be less enjoyable to watch.


Y'a that's what I ment, the level hasn't drop, it just feel a bit less enjoyable to watch meta wise.


Yeah players are as good as ever and doing what they need to do. A few cheeky mind games a series are fun to watch, but it's not as enjoyable when it's every map. I feel like part of that is mutas being too good in ZvZ, feels like if a player gets to mutas without sustaining damage they're super favored even when they aren't playing against a failed all in. If there were less all-inny ways to consistently play against mutas there would probably be fewer mind games.

On another topic I think the casters are overhyping the impact of the vacation on Reynor's play. I'm sure it's hurting him but it's not like he's making uncharacteristic mistakes, he's just a little less sharp.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
August 14 2021 16:29 GMT
#118
Reynor bombed out of the tournament again after winning big tournament. Kind of Rogue, I guessed.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Calliope
Profile Joined July 2018
297 Posts
August 14 2021 16:32 GMT
#119
That first game of Clem vs Reynor has got to be among the cleanest TvZ we've ever seen performed by a foreigner. Such extreme high-paced multi-tasking. Still, kind of get the feeling that I fear for his wrists.
Clément 화이팅
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
August 14 2021 16:48 GMT
#120
I missed game 5 of the tvz, is it worth going back to watch it?

Also I'm calling it now, MaxPax 3-1 Clem. The Dane is gonna keep on eating up french like it was Babette feast.
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stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2747 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-14 16:51:39
August 14 2021 16:51 GMT
#121
His wins against both mlord and uthermal didn't convince me, Clem should destroy him, gogo !
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9172 Posts
August 14 2021 17:01 GMT
#122
Yea Maxpax looked very vulnerable in his PvT against Marinelord
You're now breathing manually
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1197 Posts
August 14 2021 17:09 GMT
#123
Silly casters thinking Heromarine had a chance against Serral.

Heromarine is a great player and Serral is less invincible than he has been in the past but come on, Heromarine has shown very little indication of being able to take out Serral or Reynor in a high stakes series.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24974 Posts
August 14 2021 17:47 GMT
#124
On August 15 2021 02:09 dysenterymd wrote:
Silly casters thinking Heromarine had a chance against Serral.

Heromarine is a great player and Serral is less invincible than he has been in the past but come on, Heromarine has shown very little indication of being able to take out Serral or Reynor in a high stakes series.

Casters forever hype up Gabe as if he’s a peer of a Serral or a Reynor.

He’s a fantastic player but he isn’t that. He can beat them sure but he’s got to play out of his skin and have them maybe be at 90/95% of their top form.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
ZombieGrub
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States693 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-14 18:01:03
August 14 2021 17:56 GMT
#125
On August 15 2021 02:47 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2021 02:09 dysenterymd wrote:
Silly casters thinking Heromarine had a chance against Serral.

Heromarine is a great player and Serral is less invincible than he has been in the past but come on, Heromarine has shown very little indication of being able to take out Serral or Reynor in a high stakes series.

Casters forever hype up Gabe as if he’s a peer of a Serral or a Reynor.

He’s a fantastic player but he isn’t that. He can beat them sure but he’s got to play out of his skin and have them maybe be at 90/95% of their top form.


I feel strongly that this is false. We usually are very quick to point out that it's "top three EU - clem, serral, reynor, and Heromarine is the Gabekeeper who fights for 4th with Showtime/Lambo/Maxpax ". In open cup casts, in DH casts, so on and so forth.

Rotti and I have just recently been casting HM's TvZ's and been very impressed, that is the honest truth of it. Serral also did not look like he was in top shape in his ZvZ (obviously different match up, different opponent, but there were macro mistakes) and I personally was looking at the first game to see if he was in top shape for TvZ. He was, so he won.
Commentator"Defeat is the acceptance of my own laziness." - SlayerS_'Boxer'
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8230 Posts
August 14 2021 18:08 GMT
#126
On August 15 2021 02:47 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2021 02:09 dysenterymd wrote:
Silly casters thinking Heromarine had a chance against Serral.

Heromarine is a great player and Serral is less invincible than he has been in the past but come on, Heromarine has shown very little indication of being able to take out Serral or Reynor in a high stakes series.

Casters forever hype up Gabe as if he’s a peer of a Serral or a Reynor.

He’s a fantastic player but he isn’t that. He can beat them sure but he’s got to play out of his skin and have them maybe be at 90/95% of their top form.

I’m honestly tired of casters hyping up the game and trying to spread false narratives about the state of the game.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 14 2021 18:14 GMT
#127
so far MaxPax is getting rolled, didn't expect that tbh
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3453 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-14 18:16:42
August 14 2021 18:15 GMT
#128
On August 15 2021 03:14 [PkF] Wire wrote:
so far MaxPax is getting rolled, didn't expect that tbh

I did, he is a solid top6-8 player who got kind of a lucky bracket this time, but vs the top4 he usually loses.
Calliope
Profile Joined July 2018
297 Posts
August 14 2021 18:17 GMT
#129
Give the casters a break, though. Big G is king in all matchups except vs top zergs. The foreign scene has always been pretty much exclusively dominated by zergs (Naniwa, Major, Thorzain, etc, can hardly be considered domination). Let the casters help us believe that terran is a race available to foreigners.
Clément 화이팅
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 14 2021 18:19 GMT
#130
double ebay block ??? hahahaha
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-14 18:24:10
August 14 2021 18:21 GMT
#131
what a weird game

wow some solid micro displays, that was tense !!!
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24974 Posts
August 14 2021 18:25 GMT
#132
On August 15 2021 03:17 Calliope wrote:
Give the casters a break, though. Big G is king in all matchups except vs top zergs. The foreign scene has always been pretty much exclusively dominated by zergs (Naniwa, Major, Thorzain, etc, can hardly be considered domination). Let the casters help us believe that terran is a race available to foreigners.

Clem exists?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24974 Posts
August 14 2021 18:28 GMT
#133
On August 15 2021 02:56 ZombieGrub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2021 02:47 WombaT wrote:
On August 15 2021 02:09 dysenterymd wrote:
Silly casters thinking Heromarine had a chance against Serral.

Heromarine is a great player and Serral is less invincible than he has been in the past but come on, Heromarine has shown very little indication of being able to take out Serral or Reynor in a high stakes series.

Casters forever hype up Gabe as if he’s a peer of a Serral or a Reynor.

He’s a fantastic player but he isn’t that. He can beat them sure but he’s got to play out of his skin and have them maybe be at 90/95% of their top form.


I feel strongly that this is false. We usually are very quick to point out that it's "top three EU - clem, serral, reynor, and Heromarine is the Gabekeeper who fights for 4th with Showtime/Lambo/Maxpax ". In open cup casts, in DH casts, so on and so forth.

Rotti and I have just recently been casting HM's TvZ's and been very impressed, that is the honest truth of it. Serral also did not look like he was in top shape in his ZvZ (obviously different match up, different opponent, but there were macro mistakes) and I personally was looking at the first game to see if he was in top shape for TvZ. He was, so he won.

Fair, I haven’t really had an issue with your casting of Heromarine matches either.

Everyone has their bugbears, I find Heromarine matches, especially if he’s playing a good Korean it’s borderline unlistenable.

If it’s a reasonably comparable talent like say, Special, be it in GSL even with Tastosis who personally know the guy, or elsewhere it’s, generally fine. If it’s Heromarine it’s ‘Big Gabe’ memes half the time, talking about how great he is to the ignorance of his opponent’s chops the other.

Maybe it’s just me and my particular sensibilities.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 14 2021 18:31 GMT
#134
MaxPax with the true Zest bank
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 14 2021 18:33 GMT
#135
that no armor style really mesmerizes me, especially with those huge banks. You definitely have enough money to squeeze armor upgrades with those DTs / disruptors
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2747 Posts
August 14 2021 18:33 GMT
#136
On August 15 2021 03:28 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2021 02:56 ZombieGrub wrote:
On August 15 2021 02:47 WombaT wrote:
On August 15 2021 02:09 dysenterymd wrote:
Silly casters thinking Heromarine had a chance against Serral.

Heromarine is a great player and Serral is less invincible than he has been in the past but come on, Heromarine has shown very little indication of being able to take out Serral or Reynor in a high stakes series.

Casters forever hype up Gabe as if he’s a peer of a Serral or a Reynor.

He’s a fantastic player but he isn’t that. He can beat them sure but he’s got to play out of his skin and have them maybe be at 90/95% of their top form.


I feel strongly that this is false. We usually are very quick to point out that it's "top three EU - clem, serral, reynor, and Heromarine is the Gabekeeper who fights for 4th with Showtime/Lambo/Maxpax ". In open cup casts, in DH casts, so on and so forth.

Rotti and I have just recently been casting HM's TvZ's and been very impressed, that is the honest truth of it. Serral also did not look like he was in top shape in his ZvZ (obviously different match up, different opponent, but there were macro mistakes) and I personally was looking at the first game to see if he was in top shape for TvZ. He was, so he won.

Fair, I haven’t really had an issue with your casting of Heromarine matches either.

Everyone has their bugbears, I find Heromarine matches, especially if he’s playing a good Korean it’s borderline unlistenable.

If it’s a reasonably comparable talent like say, Special, be it in GSL even with Tastosis who personally know the guy, or elsewhere it’s, generally fine. If it’s Heromarine it’s ‘Big Gabe’ memes half the time, talking about how great he is to the ignorance of his opponent’s chops the other.

Maybe it’s just me and my particular sensibilities.


On the other hand, Special seems rly overhyped in these threads who give the impression he is currently at gabe's level while he is not since a good year.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 14 2021 18:34 GMT
#137
did MP blow his own stalkers ?
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 14 2021 18:37 GMT
#138
the 0 armor upgrade really saved Clem... for the time being
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-14 18:41:39
August 14 2021 18:37 GMT
#139
On August 15 2021 03:25 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2021 03:17 Calliope wrote:
Give the casters a break, though. Big G is king in all matchups except vs top zergs. The foreign scene has always been pretty much exclusively dominated by zergs (Naniwa, Major, Thorzain, etc, can hardly be considered domination). Let the casters help us believe that terran is a race available to foreigners.

Clem exists?

Clem is kind of a TvZ specialist tho, he could refine his matchup to where it is because 2 of the ''Zerg Horseman'' play in Europe. He's not much better(if at all) than Heromarine in TvT or TvP. Not like Serral and Reynor who play world class Starcraft in any matchup.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-14 18:41:40
August 14 2021 18:39 GMT
#140
those zealots look so desperate
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-14 18:42:05
August 14 2021 18:41 GMT
#141
honestly I'm glad we got at least one entertaining game (although mistakes ridden, but most very entertaining games are). Nevertheless I really wonder why MaxPax thinks he can't afford armor with this style. You could see how useless his gateway units were at the end and he definitely had enough money to squeeze at least +2 once he got the +3 attack. Of course he definitely knows better than me but that's been bothering me ever since I saw him play this style.
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2382 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-14 18:44:43
August 14 2021 18:42 GMT
#142
On August 15 2021 03:17 Calliope wrote:
Give the casters a break, though. Big G is king in all matchups except vs top zergs. The foreign scene has always been pretty much exclusively dominated by zergs (Naniwa, Major, Thorzain, etc, can hardly be considered domination). Let the casters help us believe that terran is a race available to foreigners.

Last season 3 regions won by terran 3 by protoss 0 by zerg in foreign scene (zerg win season final)
This season so far 2 terran 2 protoss 0 zerg
Progamer一条咸鱼
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 14 2021 18:44 GMT
#143
On August 15 2021 03:42 Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2021 03:17 Calliope wrote:
Give the casters a break, though. Big G is king in all matchups except vs top zergs. The foreign scene has always been pretty much exclusively dominated by zergs (Naniwa, Major, Thorzain, etc, can hardly be considered domination). Let the casters help us believe that terran is a race available to foreigners.

Last season 3 regions won by terran 3 by protoss 0 by zerg in foreign scene
This season so far 2 terran 2 protoss 0 zerg

while Dark and Rogue are winning GSLs left and right, what world are we living in ?
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2382 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-14 18:45:47
August 14 2021 18:45 GMT
#144
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Progamer一条咸鱼
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 14 2021 18:47 GMT
#145
On August 15 2021 03:45 Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2021 03:44 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On August 15 2021 03:42 Scarlett` wrote:
On August 15 2021 03:17 Calliope wrote:
Give the casters a break, though. Big G is king in all matchups except vs top zergs. The foreign scene has always been pretty much exclusively dominated by zergs (Naniwa, Major, Thorzain, etc, can hardly be considered domination). Let the casters help us believe that terran is a race available to foreigners.

Last season 3 regions won by terran 3 by protoss 0 by zerg in foreign scene
This season so far 2 terran 2 protoss 0 zerg

while Dark and Rogue are winning GSLs left and right, what world are we living in ?

how is this of any relevance to the foreign scene

of none, was referring to the fact the Korean Z scene was considered weak for a long time, so the current situation is rather funny
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1197 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-14 18:48:24
August 14 2021 18:47 GMT
#146
On August 15 2021 03:44 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2021 03:42 Scarlett` wrote:
On August 15 2021 03:17 Calliope wrote:
Give the casters a break, though. Big G is king in all matchups except vs top zergs. The foreign scene has always been pretty much exclusively dominated by zergs (Naniwa, Major, Thorzain, etc, can hardly be considered domination). Let the casters help us believe that terran is a race available to foreigners.

Last season 3 regions won by terran 3 by protoss 0 by zerg in foreign scene
This season so far 2 terran 2 protoss 0 zerg

while Dark and Rogue are winning GSLs left and right, what world are we living in ?


A sad world for protoss
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3453 Posts
August 14 2021 18:49 GMT
#147
Kinda glad I'm not too invested in the game anymore with all the whine about toss currently
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 14 2021 18:50 GMT
#148
On August 15 2021 03:47 dysenterymd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2021 03:44 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On August 15 2021 03:42 Scarlett` wrote:
On August 15 2021 03:17 Calliope wrote:
Give the casters a break, though. Big G is king in all matchups except vs top zergs. The foreign scene has always been pretty much exclusively dominated by zergs (Naniwa, Major, Thorzain, etc, can hardly be considered domination). Let the casters help us believe that terran is a race available to foreigners.

Last season 3 regions won by terran 3 by protoss 0 by zerg in foreign scene
This season so far 2 terran 2 protoss 0 zerg

while Dark and Rogue are winning GSLs left and right, what world are we living in ?


A sad world for protoss

it's indeed literally the worst possible situation for P players with the race looking borderline OP up to 6.5k (especially on ladder, generating maximum amounts of whine) while being awful at actually winning tournaments and long series at the highest level.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 14 2021 18:55 GMT
#149
missed Reynor - Clem btw, how was it ? Should we be excited for the potential Serral - Clem finals ?
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9172 Posts
August 14 2021 19:10 GMT
#150
It was okay other than game 3 which you can safely skip. And yes, you can be at least milldly excited for the Serral vs Clem finals. Both of them performed well in this match up.
You're now breathing manually
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 14 2021 19:15 GMT
#151
On August 15 2021 04:10 Sent. wrote:
It was okay other than game 3 which you can safely skip. And yes, you can be at least milldly excited for the Serral vs Clem finals. Both of them performed well in this match up.

thanks ! As much as I like Gabe, I'll hope Clem passes the TvT hurdle tomorrow then
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 14 2021 20:00 GMT
#152
let's see how offbeat MaSa can make this series. This should be a fun first match !
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 14 2021 20:19 GMT
#153
MaSa is really playing an incredible tourney
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8230 Posts
August 14 2021 20:26 GMT
#154
https://mobile.twitter.com/MarineLorDSC2/status/1426565686541930499
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9172 Posts
August 14 2021 20:46 GMT
#155
Very tasty tweet, I like salt
You're now breathing manually
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-14 20:54:08
August 14 2021 20:52 GMT
#156
double tech lab factory with one proxied. OK

yay Astrea was prepared and that fell totally flat
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 14 2021 21:02 GMT
#157
After a nice first map on Blackburn for MaSa, Astrea dominated - that was to be expected. Still a great run for MaSa.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10055 Posts
August 14 2021 21:03 GMT
#158
lets go Scarlett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10055 Posts
August 14 2021 21:45 GMT
#159
i hate this skytoss style so much
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
351 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-14 21:49:43
August 14 2021 21:49 GMT
#160
On August 15 2021 05:46 Sent. wrote:
Very tasty tweet, I like salt


On August 15 2021 05:26 geokilla wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/MarineLorDSC2/status/1426565686541930499


I'm just finding his tweet a bit lazy, at least if he wants to complain, he should be more creative <_<
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
Calliope
Profile Joined July 2018
297 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-14 21:50:42
August 14 2021 21:50 GMT
#161
On August 15 2021 06:49 Philippe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2021 05:46 Sent. wrote:
Very tasty tweet, I like salt


Show nested quote +
On August 15 2021 05:26 geokilla wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/MarineLorDSC2/status/1426565686541930499


I'm just finding his tweet a bit lazy, at least if he wants to complain, he should be more creative <_<


It doesn't look too good either, after what Clem just did to Maxpax.
Clément 화이팅
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 14 2021 21:50 GMT
#162
I feel for you, Scarlett.
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
351 Posts
August 14 2021 21:53 GMT
#163
On August 15 2021 06:50 Calliope wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2021 06:49 Philippe wrote:
On August 15 2021 05:46 Sent. wrote:
Very tasty tweet, I like salt


On August 15 2021 05:26 geokilla wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/MarineLorDSC2/status/1426565686541930499


I'm just finding his tweet a bit lazy, at least if he wants to complain, he should be more creative <_<


It doesn't look too good either, after what Clem just did to Maxpax.


Clem or even HeroMarine in the finals of ESL Open Cup Europe 83

MarineLord's proxy game is good (unfortunate his factory got scouted), his attack is good too but his defence was extremely bad in comparison to them.
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 14 2021 22:07 GMT
#164
harsh series to end the day on, but the schedule tomorrow is really exciting.
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
August 15 2021 11:34 GMT
#165
Yet another reason to love Clem. Doesn't make a big fuss, doesn't have to whine endlessly about balance or discredit the efforts of others - his skill does all the talking for him. Puts certain older players to shame
Year of MaxPax
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1197 Posts
August 15 2021 12:20 GMT
#166
Hoping for a great Serral-Clem finals. Serral is looking in form and Clem seemed mortal against Reynor so I think Serral will take it 4-3 (3-3), but if Serral lets up for a second he could also get steam rolled.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium3999 Posts
August 15 2021 14:04 GMT
#167
woah in season finals we are going to have 2 zergs out of 16 players. What are the odds of having a zvz grand final though?
Drone is a way of living
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9015 Posts
August 15 2021 15:53 GMT
#168
How did MarineLord beat Clem?
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 16:06 GMT
#169
gogo Clem !
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 16:46 GMT
#170
A very quick game one lol... Hoping that Clem wins this match, so that we see Serral vs. Clem in the GF, although the GF starting off with a lopsided +1 game for Serral makes me worried that it'll be a less entertaining match than it could be.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 16:55 GMT
#171
Kinda brutal and straightforward domination so far
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3598 Posts
August 15 2021 16:58 GMT
#172
Clem is so good at those small skirmishes.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 16:59 GMT
#173
On August 16 2021 01:55 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Kinda brutal and straightforward domination so far


Yeah. It's always interesting to me when a player simply crushes others in a mirror match-up, since the loser can't blame it on balance.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
August 15 2021 17:07 GMT
#174
Heromarine in these tournaments where it matters is just sad to watch when playing aganist Clem, he's donig so well in the ESL weeklys.
Noa Greenini
Profile Joined April 2015
265 Posts
August 15 2021 17:07 GMT
#175
What just happened? It was so fast...
Noa Greenini looks like the superior LR poster - Charoisaur 04/05/2019 (Serral vs Showtime match)
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 17:08 GMT
#176
On August 16 2021 01:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2021 01:55 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Kinda brutal and straightforward domination so far


Yeah. It's always interesting to me when a player simply crushes others in a mirror match-up, since the loser can't blame it on balance.

indeed. Clem simply looked more on point today, HM was never in control. The finals should be great.
Calliope
Profile Joined July 2018
297 Posts
August 15 2021 17:09 GMT
#177
With the kind of form he seems to be in today the finals should be amazing. I want to believe.
Clément 화이팅
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 17:10 GMT
#178
I hope the GF is more entertaining than this last series.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-15 17:13:25
August 15 2021 17:13 GMT
#179
On August 16 2021 02:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I hope the GF is more entertaining than this last series.

can't really be worse honestly, the games were not God awful but straightforward in the most boring way
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 17:23 GMT
#180
On August 16 2021 02:13 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2021 02:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I hope the GF is more entertaining than this last series.

can't really be worse honestly, the games were not God awful but straightforward in the most boring way


True.

And then after this Serral match, we see Neeb (with a 1-0 auto-lead) play the winner of Scarlett vs. Astrea, both of whom have already lost to Neeb in this tournament.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 17:24 GMT
#181
nice break length, didn't expect less after such a short series
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3339 Posts
August 15 2021 17:24 GMT
#182
HM was doing so many weird things with his build order today, and I am not sure if those achieved anything. Like that Double Reactor for 6 Reapers, which is a massive 300 gas that probably delay his tech unit (Tanks/Vikings/Cyclone) by a bit. I thought HM also was too aggressive for his own good, somehow both sides main army manage to avoid each other many times, and HM army always arrive later and deal less damage.
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
August 15 2021 17:42 GMT
#183
Will the GOAT finally win a region locked tournament again?
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 17:43 GMT
#184
Being French and all, I have to be a bit torn about that, but I really want Serral to take it all this time, the guy had to cope with too many frustrations as of late. So go Serral !
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 17:50 GMT
#185
So coming from the upper bracket, the advantages you receive include fewer matches, a 1-0 lead, and first map pick?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 17:57 GMT
#186
Solid game one!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15914 Posts
August 15 2021 17:57 GMT
#187
losing like this on Jagannatha certainly isn't a good sign
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1197 Posts
August 15 2021 18:05 GMT
#188
Hmm Serral gets creep denied, is completely blindsided by Clem's first major push and dies, then Clem completely misreads Beckett and loses. Not what I expected.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17664 Posts
August 15 2021 18:05 GMT
#189
Kinda surprised Clem didn't expect this rush
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Calliope
Profile Joined July 2018
297 Posts
August 15 2021 18:16 GMT
#190
How is target firing banelings like that actually done? Shift-click each of the moving banelings?
Clément 화이팅
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
August 15 2021 18:17 GMT
#191
Loved to see Serral's reaction when he washed up.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
August 15 2021 18:35 GMT
#192
Serral just threw a game into a planetary haha
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
August 15 2021 18:35 GMT
#193
Maruesque game by Clem.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
91matt
Profile Joined March 2013
United Kingdom147 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-15 18:37:12
August 15 2021 18:36 GMT
#194
On August 16 2021 03:35 Durnuu wrote:
Serral just threw a game into a planetary haha


not really, game was over anyway. you dont win from that position as zerg, lategame is too weak
91matt
Profile Joined March 2013
United Kingdom147 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-15 18:36:54
August 15 2021 18:36 GMT
#195
deleted
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
August 15 2021 18:38 GMT
#196
Typical game 5 Serral meltdown incoming.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2616 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-15 18:39:26
August 15 2021 18:38 GMT
#197
Serral needed a broodlord transition if he wanted to win that game. Though really his best choice to win would have been the roach push that Rogue used against Maru on this map in the GSL finals.

EDIT: anyone know what the next map is?
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15914 Posts
August 15 2021 18:42 GMT
#198
On August 16 2021 03:38 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Serral needed a broodlord transition if he wanted to win that game. Though really his best choice to win would have been the roach push that Rogue used against Maru on this map in the GSL finals.

EDIT: anyone know what the next map is?

he never was in a position to transition to Broodlords
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
sim9999
Profile Joined August 2021
10 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-15 18:43:35
August 15 2021 18:43 GMT
#199
At this level with clem mechanics if he does not take a random baneling he just wins. I don't why he did not anticipate the ravager all in from serral because on this map terran is super strong against zerg so zerg must initiate...
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 18:49 GMT
#200
g4 was a beautiful battle of mechanics, super high level of skill from both sides. I hope the series goes on for two more games
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 18:50 GMT
#201
nice mine bait on the marine ball ! Looks solid for Serral now
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
August 15 2021 18:50 GMT
#202
Get Clem!
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 15 2021 18:51 GMT
#203
That was pretty brutal to watch tbh.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 18:51 GMT
#204
oh God that went wrong fast

Clem too good tonight, congrats champ !
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1197 Posts
August 15 2021 18:52 GMT
#205
Clem too good, Serral and Reynor should start building roaches
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3598 Posts
August 15 2021 18:52 GMT
#206
Clem is scary.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Shathe
Profile Joined July 2017
Hungary422 Posts
August 15 2021 18:52 GMT
#207
Big mistake not fighting with the mutas
HeroSandro
Profile Joined July 2019
523 Posts
August 15 2021 18:52 GMT
#208
Well played Clem! I feel like his TvZ is best in the world, but still not sure he can defeat the koreans in TvT and TvP.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 18:52 GMT
#209
Congrats to Clem! Serral just couldn't keep up, this match.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15914 Posts
August 15 2021 18:52 GMT
#210
Serral is no Dark
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
sim9999
Profile Joined August 2021
10 Posts
August 15 2021 18:52 GMT
#211
GG CLEM ! he played so well ! Untofrtunately for us that means that all games were mostly bad and uninteresting.
Calliope
Profile Joined July 2018
297 Posts
August 15 2021 18:53 GMT
#212
On August 16 2021 03:43 sim9999 wrote:
At this level with clem mechanics if he does not take a random baneling he just wins. I don't why he did not anticipate the ravager all in from serral because on this map terran is super strong against zerg so zerg must initiate...


I agree, this is pure poetry. Only those highly punishing moments of inattention, like bane runbys or the odd ravager push halts his extremely fast and multi-pronged play. Always happy to see the odd other race than Z taking big tourneys. Super well deserved victory!
Clément 화이팅
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 18:53 GMT
#213
On August 16 2021 03:52 virpi wrote:
Clem is scary.

his TvZ looks incredible honestly. I really hope he doesn't get eliminated by the likes of Zoun or PartinG in the upcoming season finals, I want to see him go in a bo7 vs Dark, even cross servers
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
August 15 2021 18:53 GMT
#214
On August 16 2021 03:42 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2021 03:38 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Serral needed a broodlord transition if he wanted to win that game. Though really his best choice to win would have been the roach push that Rogue used against Maru on this map in the GSL finals.

EDIT: anyone know what the next map is?

he never was in a position to transition to Broodlords


No spot of Infestor's production also before transiting into Hives. This was what Dark did to control Clem's rines micro.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Solio
Profile Joined June 2016
France145 Posts
August 15 2021 18:54 GMT
#215
lol reynor did better than Serral in his match against Clem while on vacation
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 18:54 GMT
#216
On August 16 2021 03:52 sim9999 wrote:
GG CLEM ! he played so well ! Untofrtunately for us that means that all games were mostly bad and uninteresting.

g4 was solid even though Clem maintained at least a slight lead throughout. Otherwise yeah one-sided series.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 15 2021 18:55 GMT
#217
Marines are a stupid unit balance wise, don't feel like the opponent can really do a thing against them when the'yre played at this level and on the other side a player like heromarine is just lacking that absurdly high "minimum" level micro which is a necessity to claim any major title as terran.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-15 18:58:00
August 15 2021 18:56 GMT
#218
Very honest reaction from Serral on Twitter. I agree with him, he got outclassed but there are a lot of positives about his run. He's definitely still not at the level you can expect from him (and that he expects from himself), but he's getting there.
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2747 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-15 18:57:38
August 15 2021 18:56 GMT
#219
On August 16 2021 03:35 Durnuu wrote:
Serral just threw a game into a planetary haha


Lol he was already on a desperate position hence the desesperate move.
You don't throw when you're in a clearly losing position.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12779 Posts
August 15 2021 18:59 GMT
#220
Nice Gg Clem! Will catch up to the games, good loser bracket run
WriterMaru
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
August 15 2021 19:03 GMT
#221
how were the games in the final? the score makes it seem pretty one sided
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 19:04 GMT
#222
On August 16 2021 04:03 starkiller123 wrote:
how were the games in the final? the score makes it seem pretty one sided

exactly how they seemed then . Clem dominated.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 19:05 GMT
#223
On August 16 2021 04:03 starkiller123 wrote:
how were the games in the final? the score makes it seem pretty one sided


They were better than the previous series, but the score really was one-sided. Serral only won one game out of five, and I think that pretty much describes the series. Mind wasn't super blown in any particular game in the grand finals; just a tip of the hat to Clem, who crushed it.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
sim9999
Profile Joined August 2021
10 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-15 19:15:50
August 15 2021 19:14 GMT
#224
Marines are a stupid unit balance wise, don't feel like the opponent can really do a thing against them when the'yre played at this level and on the other side a player like heromarine is just lacking that absurdly high "minimum" level micro which is a necessity to claim any major title as terran.


That's right that why broodwar was always more interesting to watch for me. It force players to make more and more decisions. Clem is insane mechanically but there are others areas where he could improve, when he's forced to defend he makes more mistakes, and stategically he can make errors too but in sc2 t v z these areas are rarely explored.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15914 Posts
August 15 2021 19:29 GMT
#225
On August 16 2021 03:55 nojok wrote:
Marines are a stupid unit balance wise, don't feel like the opponent can really do a thing against them when the'yre played at this level and on the other side a player like heromarine is just lacking that absurdly high "minimum" level micro which is a necessity to claim any major title as terran.

There is a lot players can do vs them, Serral just got outclassed today.
Dark on the other hand can handle this
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 20:22 GMT
#226
what an absolute mess of a game ^^
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 20:28 GMT
#227
29 interceptors... Scarlett looks dead, but...
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 20:28 GMT
#228
No way

What a game
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 20:28 GMT
#229
Game one Scarlett vs. Astrea was the most interesting back-and-forth game I've seen so far, today The ending was really chaotic and fun to watch too.
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-15 20:30:17
August 15 2021 20:29 GMT
#230
On August 16 2021 05:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Game one Scarlett vs. Astrea was the most interesting back-and-forth game I've seen so far, today The ending was really chaotic and fun to watch too.

Indeed. Excellent scenario too.
+ Show Spoiler +
Scarlett was 100% dead with Astrea reaching a big number of carriers but somehow managed to kill all Astrea's probes while leaving him with less than 50 minerals. She then killed every interceptor and Astrea had to gg with like 8 empty carriers on the field hahahaha
warnull
Profile Joined February 2016
United States280 Posts
August 15 2021 20:34 GMT
#231
On August 16 2021 05:29 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2021 05:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Game one Scarlett vs. Astrea was the most interesting back-and-forth game I've seen so far, today The ending was really chaotic and fun to watch too.

Indeed. Excellent scenario too.
+ Show Spoiler +
Scarlett was 100% dead with Astrea reaching a big number of carriers but somehow managed to kill all Astrea's probes while leaving him with less than 50 minerals. She then killed every interceptor and Astrea had to gg with like 8 empty carriers on the field hahahaha


The game was really back and forth. It's cool seeing that end condition, where Protoss has carriers but can't make interceptors. Reminds me of IJN at the end of WWII.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 20:34 GMT
#232
On August 16 2021 05:34 warnull wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2021 05:29 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On August 16 2021 05:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Game one Scarlett vs. Astrea was the most interesting back-and-forth game I've seen so far, today The ending was really chaotic and fun to watch too.

Indeed. Excellent scenario too.
+ Show Spoiler +
Scarlett was 100% dead with Astrea reaching a big number of carriers but somehow managed to kill all Astrea's probes while leaving him with less than 50 minerals. She then killed every interceptor and Astrea had to gg with like 8 empty carriers on the field hahahaha


The game was really back and forth. It's cool seeing that end condition, where Protoss has carriers but can't make interceptors. Reminds me of IJN at the end of WWII.

yeah that's the kind of checkmate situation you theorycraft but very rarely get to see. That was so cool
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 20:42 GMT
#233
The video/audio hiccups/spikes are becoming a little annoying.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 20:44 GMT
#234
Game two was also excellent. It's already the best series of the day.
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 20:44 GMT
#235
those two really match well vs one another, those games are a lot of fun to watch !
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-15 20:45:55
August 15 2021 20:45 GMT
#236
On August 16 2021 05:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Game two was also excellent. It's already the best series of the day.

agree (though to be fair the second statement isn't saying much hahaha) ! Extremely entertaining.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 20:50 GMT
#237
hahaha Astrea you dirty trickster
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 20:52 GMT
#238
On August 16 2021 05:44 [PkF] Wire wrote:
those two really match well vs one another, those games are a lot of fun to watch !


Agreed Game three was dirty in the best way hahaha
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 20:53 GMT
#239
that series is the opposite of boring, 10/10 fun ^^
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
August 15 2021 21:06 GMT
#240
Wait what.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 21:07 GMT
#241
Okay game four was a bad game lol.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 21:07 GMT
#242
wow that hold looked clutch, I was worried for quite a bit.

Gogo g5
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 21:18 GMT
#243
Nice job by Scarlett! Astrea almost got the reverse-sweep.
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Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10055 Posts
August 15 2021 21:19 GMT
#244
well done but not looking good enough for the finals though
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 21:19 GMT
#245
Today's matches have 2T, 2Z, and 2P. Very nice
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 21:19 GMT
#246
On August 16 2021 06:19 Topin wrote:
well done but not looking good enough for the finals though


I agree. Given that she got 3-0ed by Neeb already, I would be astonished if Scarlett won.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 21:20 GMT
#247
yay Scarlett, that was a really good series and I enjoyed watching it a lot !
Hopefully the grand finals turns out better than yesterday though
warnull
Profile Joined February 2016
United States280 Posts
August 15 2021 21:57 GMT
#248
Ouch game 1. Protoss can stop early aggression with zero effort, just wall off and build a single void ray. Doesn't even need a shield battery.

I think the game would be improved if void rays were changed to not attack ground.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10055 Posts
August 15 2021 21:59 GMT
#249
avoid late game at all cost is the best plan imo
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 22:07 GMT
#250
On August 16 2021 06:57 warnull wrote:
Ouch game 1. Protoss can stop early aggression with zero effort, just wall off and build a single void ray. Doesn't even need a shield battery.

I think the game would be improved if void rays were changed to not attack ground.


Improved if you want Protoss to get killed off, sure. She killed like one building in an all-in baneling bust lol. That's not supposed to be a low-risk move.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 22:08 GMT
#251
Nice response by Scarlett there, taking a game against Neeb!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-15 22:10:41
August 15 2021 22:09 GMT
#252
at least it's 1-1 as far as played games go, but they were downright terrible
although that was to be expected with the way Neeb shut down Scarlett yesterday, she'll probably keep on throwing curve balls at him and hope for the best
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10055 Posts
August 15 2021 22:27 GMT
#253
lets see if Scarlett can do it this time
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 22:27 GMT
#254
didn't expect Scarlett to accept such a game, but she got into that lategame from a decent position. Even score aside, she badly needs that one.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3453 Posts
August 15 2021 22:32 GMT
#255
Nice throw
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 22:33 GMT
#256
erf, that was not such a bad try, but not enough by quite a margin
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 22:34 GMT
#257
On August 16 2021 07:32 darklycid wrote:
Nice throw


It wasn't a throw. Scarlett wasn't significantly in the lead. The late game compositions were basically stalemates, and then Scarlett eventually lost the main fight while also being killed off by a hit squad at the two hatcheries at the 3 o'clock position, so her massive bank didn't really matter since she didn't have enough hatcheries anymore.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 22:35 GMT
#258
Very solid late game by Neeb. Wars of attrition can be really frustrating.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3453 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-15 22:36:57
August 15 2021 22:36 GMT
#259
On August 16 2021 07:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2021 07:32 darklycid wrote:
Nice throw


It wasn't a throw. Scarlett wasn't significantly in the lead. The late game compositions were basically stalemates, and then Scarlett eventually lost the main fight while also being killed off by a hit squad at the two hatcheries at the 3 o'clock position, so her massive bank didn't really matter since she didn't have enough hatcheries anymore.

I mean a throw doesnt necessarily need to be form a posiotion of a big lead imo.
Scarlett completely lost her patience with that hitsquad that would have been cleaned by the likes of 2-3 broodlords, meanwhile she just sent all her bls into death and then died with a massive bank imo quite the throwy play.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10055 Posts
August 15 2021 22:43 GMT
#260
hooooly fuck... that was close
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 22:44 GMT
#261
A second win for Scarlett! Would be 2-2 in game score without the free +1 advantage!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-15 22:45:09
August 15 2021 22:44 GMT
#262
not the prettiest games, but Scarlett has been finding some windows in the early game. It's already a far closer series than I expected, not a very good one so far but at least interesting
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 22:46 GMT
#263
On August 16 2021 07:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
A second win for Scarlett! Would be 2-2 in game score without the free +1 advantage!

yeah that's already quite a surprise imo ! I'd give her like 20% chances to manage to take it, not completely out of this world at this point
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 22:58 GMT
#264
really good game !!!
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 23:01 GMT
#265
fantastic game by Scarlett ! I believe she can do it !
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10055 Posts
August 15 2021 23:01 GMT
#266
woah!!! lets goooooooooooooooo!
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 23:01 GMT
#267
Well played by Scarlett! Nice base race. Final game now!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
warnull
Profile Joined February 2016
United States280 Posts
August 15 2021 23:03 GMT
#268
Amazing base trade on Blackburn! Go Scarlett! one more map for the championship!
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-15 23:03:31
August 15 2021 23:03 GMT
#269
Beckett "g7". This is going to be super interesting
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 23:05 GMT
#270
waaaaaat
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10055 Posts
August 15 2021 23:06 GMT
#271
well...
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3453 Posts
August 15 2021 23:06 GMT
#272
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 23:06 GMT
#273
Oh shit. Drone drill inc.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 23:07 GMT
#274
Well that was a sad final game lol
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-15 23:08:09
August 15 2021 23:07 GMT
#275
the series really peaked in the end lol

I can understand that mindgame in g7. That was a fun try and Scarlett played a really great series. I mean it's 3-3 in the end, that was much much closer than I expected.
TheCheapSkate
Profile Joined August 2011
Slovenia316 Posts
August 15 2021 23:07 GMT
#276
NA STARCRAFT
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
August 15 2021 23:08 GMT
#277
Out of the four series today, the Scarlett vs. Astrea one was absolutely the best imo.

Congrats to Neeb! And Clem!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
August 15 2021 23:08 GMT
#278
On August 16 2021 08:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Out of the four series today, the Scarlett vs. Astrea one was absolutely the best imo.

Congrats to Neeb! And Clem!

the NA series were far better than the EU ones. Can't say I expected that ^^

congrats to Clem and Neeb, see you tomorrow for GSL
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6865 Posts
August 16 2021 13:58 GMT
#279
On August 16 2021 04:29 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2021 03:55 nojok wrote:
Marines are a stupid unit balance wise, don't feel like the opponent can really do a thing against them when the'yre played at this level and on the other side a player like heromarine is just lacking that absurdly high "minimum" level micro which is a necessity to claim any major title as terran.

There is a lot players can do vs them, Serral just got outclassed today.
Dark on the other hand can handle this


We'll see how Dark manages in ~ 3 weeks. Pity we still have laggy cross server games. Clem seems as fast as prime Maru
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24974 Posts
August 16 2021 19:33 GMT
#280
On August 16 2021 22:58 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2021 04:29 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 16 2021 03:55 nojok wrote:
Marines are a stupid unit balance wise, don't feel like the opponent can really do a thing against them when the'yre played at this level and on the other side a player like heromarine is just lacking that absurdly high "minimum" level micro which is a necessity to claim any major title as terran.

There is a lot players can do vs them, Serral just got outclassed today.
Dark on the other hand can handle this


We'll see how Dark manages in ~ 3 weeks. Pity we still have laggy cross server games. Clem seems as fast as prime Maru

He’s a scary boy that Clem. Out of fashion now but he’s not the mech player Maru is, and he’s not as good at the expand at almost the pace of the Zerg, defend like a god and get to a sophisticated lategame style that Maru is so good at.

Purely at TvZ though, discounting other things Clem’s definitely climbing to pretty high in the all-time ranks. Mary and peak Inno are still above him, but I’m rapidly starting to wonder, who else?

Byun was a monster in my hiatus from the game, I do gather he was pretty crazy with reapers though. Mvp at his peak was just really good and maybe his TvZ was a little underrated vs how good he was at TvT.

It’s a shame we haven’t seen Clem going toe to toe with Dark and Rogue without ping being a factor.
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koalabro
Profile Joined June 2021
59 Posts
August 16 2021 19:47 GMT
#281
From the score looks like the Neeb Scarlett series was pretty close. Didn't have time to watch, but were they as close as the score leads on?

Same question on Clem Serral
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6865 Posts
August 17 2021 07:26 GMT
#282
On August 17 2021 04:47 koalabro wrote:
From the score looks like the Neeb Scarlett series was pretty close. Didn't have time to watch, but were they as close as the score leads on?

Same question on Clem Serral


Clem Serral was very one sided actually. Serral got one win in with a roach all in that blindsided Clem. Other then that, Clem was dominating.

Neeb Scarlett, and Scarlett Astrea before that are were incredible close with some minors throws and throwbacks here and there. Do watch those if you can
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Archerylady
Profile Joined January 2011
277 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-19 12:44:07
August 19 2021 11:40 GMT
#283
Lmao, Clem has won FIFTEEN Bo3+ series in a row against Reynor and Serral, two of the three last world champions. Usually if you win fifteen series in a row against someone it means you are a tier above, if not two tiers above, so I guess Clem is somehow SSS tier at TvZ but only A tier at TvP and TvT? In that time he has lost to stars such as MarineLord, Goblin, Gungfubanda, Lilbow, Soul and Nice, btw, and has still yet to win his first international premier because he can't beat even mid-tier Koreans consistently.

TvZ is broken and has been balanced around Kespa terrans' aging hands and cross-server ping. Just took a teenager with fast hands to come along and expose the whole charade. I should put some money on Percival.
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