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On July 29 2021 02:12 geokilla wrote: Wow this LR is dead
Who woulda guessed ESL known for downtime and add in a hard to follow format + a ton of lack luster matchups. Not shocking the LR is dead, though the stream numbers are looking ok.
I usually watch GSL so I don't know the dreamhack format and this is a real question, but I see lots of regions listed and none of them are Korea. Whats going on? How does this work?
On August 05 2021 11:16 General_Winter wrote: I usually watch GSL so I don't know the dreamhack format and this is a real question, but I see lots of regions listed and none of them are Korea. Whats going on? How does this work?
Top 4 from current GSL season will go to the DH Global Finals, the other 4 players from top 8 will have the play-in to send 2 more players into DH. So KR will have 6 players in total for the DH.
Only just now tumbled to it that the order of the matches is arranged so that the top seeds play each other after all/most other matches are done. Makes total sense of course.
On August 05 2021 11:16 General_Winter wrote: I usually watch GSL so I don't know the dreamhack format and this is a real question, but I see lots of regions listed and none of them are Korea. Whats going on? How does this work?
Are mainstream's (esl_sc2) vods hidden somewhere? I can only find the china portions from the last couple of days, eu and na portions nowhere to be found. The b-stream vods appear as normal.
Pretty nuts Elazer has a decent chance to go out of the tournament when he won the first 3 matches of the tournament. Apart from his loss some other results actually went his way yesterday meaning he can only go out if he loses 0-2 and Drogo wins 2-0. But considering elazer plays heromarine and drogo plays Ziggy its still very possible
On August 09 2021 00:59 ilax300 wrote: Pretty nuts Elazer has a decent chance to go out of the tournament when he won the first 3 matches of the tournament. Apart from his loss some other results actually went his way yesterday meaning he can only go out if he loses 0-2 and Drogo wins 2-0. But considering elazer plays heromarine and drogo plays Ziggy its still very possible
MaxPax goal in game 2 was to make the Skytoss army, and now hes completely clueless on how to use it to take engagement and losing units one by one.
Edit: I like MaxPax game 4 a lot more, he was taking better engagement and was close to give Serral a run for his money. Had Maxpax defended his 2 later bases better during the attack, he really could have won that game.
Serral execution in zvp is still close to perfect but it's crazy how he tends to tunnel vision, he had all the informations to know it wasn't a void ray into carrier but a zelots push after his harass on the third.
Well-deserved win for Marine Lord, look like Clem does not have much practice against TvT Mech style. Also, with the way things go, we will miss one of the Big 3 from EU in the Global Final.
MarineLord seems in the best shape ever since his return, really great! I missed all but his first game vs Clem, gotta rewatch that and HeroMarine wins for sure. Clem seemed back in good shape judging from group stage as well so this is a big win, although MlorD was always good in TvT.
MLord has indeed been looking amazing in this tournament so far, it is really fantastic to see him perform so well again ! Cannot wait to see how he performs vs HM.
Wow, what a great series by MarineLord against Clem! Clem really needs to curb his aggression in TvT. In so many of the game, Clem would have been such a great position if he just defended and be more patient. He was too aggressive at times, and MarineLord defended well and was patient. Very reminiscent of Clem's series against Maru.
On August 11 2021 05:42 dysenterymd wrote: Clem is in the part of the bracket that Serral/Reynor will drop into, at least one of the top 3 will miss out on the season finals.
On August 11 2021 05:42 dysenterymd wrote: Clem is in the part of the bracket that Serral/Reynor will drop into, at least one of the top 3 will miss out on the season finals.
On August 11 2021 05:42 dysenterymd wrote: Clem is in the part of the bracket that Serral/Reynor will drop into, at least one of the top 3 will miss out on the season finals.
and most likely this will be Serral again ...
I see it the other way round. Can't imagine it beeing Serral this time.
On August 11 2021 05:42 dysenterymd wrote: Clem is in the part of the bracket that Serral/Reynor will drop into, at least one of the top 3 will miss out on the season finals.
and most likely this will be Serral again ...
I see it the other way round. Can't imagine it beeing Serral this time.
Well if he loses to Reynor then he gets Clem in losers, if Clem manages to get there.
All the eu matches seem pretty good today. Clem feels like the biggest favourite to win his one, and even he ooks the most vulnerable he's been in months.
Amazing come back by maxpax, even if uthermy late wasn't there, dt/disru are tricky to deal but a swtich on libe like Gabe does would prolly have ended the game.
I always try and watch o'gaming to support the french scene but this is unwatchable. Constant berating of players and race.
It's okay if Showtime is losing to Soul because Soul is skilled too, so the meritocracy is respected, it's not like Clem losing to goblin. What's even the point of saying this
No way Serral sweeps Reynor. That match is played inside their heads like just about no other head to head. Reynor has been living inside Serral's head rent free and I've yet to see any signs of an eviction there. 3-0 the other way is more likely still, if Serral wins it'll be a very tight 3-2.
On August 13 2021 16:46 Oukka wrote: No way Serral sweeps Reynor. That match is played inside their heads like just about no other head to head. Reynor has been living inside Serral's head rent free and I've yet to see any signs of an eviction there. 3-0 the other way is more likely still, if Serral wins it'll be a very tight 3-2.
On August 13 2021 16:46 Oukka wrote: No way Serral sweeps Reynor. That match is played inside their heads like just about no other head to head. Reynor has been living inside Serral's head rent free and I've yet to see any signs of an eviction there. 3-0 the other way is more likely still, if Serral wins it'll be a very tight 3-2.
On August 13 2021 18:09 dysenterymd wrote: Hoping Serral can take a win against Reynor here, tournaments will be a lot more exciting if their rivalry is less one sided.
Either way, I'm exicted!
MaxPax vs SKillous 3:2 Clem vs souL 3:2 Reynor vs Serral 2:3 HeRoMaRinE vs MarineLorD 3:2
Heres to hoping for 20 games and 4 close series in a row!
On August 13 2021 16:46 Oukka wrote: No way Serral sweeps Reynor. That match is played inside their heads like just about no other head to head. Reynor has been living inside Serral's head rent free and I've yet to see any signs of an eviction there. 3-0 the other way is more likely still, if Serral wins it'll be a very tight 3-2.
Can someone explain why Soul went for pretty zero Starport unit other than Medivac since midgame? Soul just simply hope to caught Tanks from Clem side offguard while his own base is like Swiss-cheese because there is literally nothing to stop Clem from Medivac dropping everywhere, not even building Turret.
On August 14 2021 01:36 tigera6 wrote: Can someone explain why Soul went for pretty zero Starport unit other than Medivac since midgame? Soul just simply hope to caught Tanks from Clem side offguard while his own base is like Swiss-cheese because there is literally nothing to stop Clem from Medivac dropping everywhere, not even building Turret.
You're not wrong, it's similar to how Zerg players tend to make comebacks with ling runbys - Clem just does it with medivacs. And souL did not answer it well.
Glad Serral won, but it feels like since 2019 the series between Serral and Reynor have been pretty lackluster game wise. Still fun because of the rivalry and drama but not many memorable games.
Serral has a good shot at taking it all now, he'll be heavily favored in the winners final and Clem likely has to go through two tough TvTs to make it to the final.
On August 14 2021 03:06 dysenterymd wrote: Glad Serral won, but it feels like since 2019 the series between Serral and Reynor have been pretty lackluster game wise. Still fun because of the rivalry and drama but not many memorable games.
Serral has a good shot at taking it all now, he'll be heavily favored in the winners final and Clem likely has to go through two tough TvTs to make it to the final.
ZvZ in general has declined in quality in the last year or two, turn out mindgames are pretty good.
On August 14 2021 03:06 dysenterymd wrote: Glad Serral won, but it feels like since 2019 the series between Serral and Reynor have been pretty lackluster game wise. Still fun because of the rivalry and drama but not many memorable games.
Serral has a good shot at taking it all now, he'll be heavily favored in the winners final and Clem likely has to go through two tough TvTs to make it to the final.
On August 14 2021 03:06 dysenterymd wrote: Glad Serral won, but it feels like since 2019 the series between Serral and Reynor have been pretty lackluster game wise. Still fun because of the rivalry and drama but not many memorable games.
Serral has a good shot at taking it all now, he'll be heavily favored in the winners final and Clem likely has to go through two tough TvTs to make it to the final.
ZvZ in general has declined in quality in the last year or two, turn out mindgames are pretty good.
Has it?
Feels to me we got many a quality series when people tried, and usually failed to straight up better Serral in straight up macro slugfests. Least that 2018 thru 19 Serral.
Which gave some great watching for sure. Dragging things into the realm of mindgames adds a ton of intrigue and other factors to consider, the quality level is really high still just tends to be less enjoyable to watch.
On August 14 2021 03:06 dysenterymd wrote: Glad Serral won, but it feels like since 2019 the series between Serral and Reynor have been pretty lackluster game wise. Still fun because of the rivalry and drama but not many memorable games.
Serral has a good shot at taking it all now, he'll be heavily favored in the winners final and Clem likely has to go through two tough TvTs to make it to the final.
ZvZ in general has declined in quality in the last year or two, turn out mindgames are pretty good.
Has it?
Feels to me we got many a quality series when people tried, and usually failed to straight up better Serral in straight up macro slugfests. Least that 2018 thru 19 Serral.
Which gave some great watching for sure. Dragging things into the realm of mindgames adds a ton of intrigue and other factors to consider, the quality level is really high still just tends to be less enjoyable to watch.
Y'a that's what I ment, the level hasn't drop, it just feel a bit less enjoyable to watch meta wise.
On August 14 2021 03:06 dysenterymd wrote: Glad Serral won, but it feels like since 2019 the series between Serral and Reynor have been pretty lackluster game wise. Still fun because of the rivalry and drama but not many memorable games.
Serral has a good shot at taking it all now, he'll be heavily favored in the winners final and Clem likely has to go through two tough TvTs to make it to the final.
ZvZ in general has declined in quality in the last year or two, turn out mindgames are pretty good.
Has it?
Feels to me we got many a quality series when people tried, and usually failed to straight up better Serral in straight up macro slugfests. Least that 2018 thru 19 Serral.
Which gave some great watching for sure. Dragging things into the realm of mindgames adds a ton of intrigue and other factors to consider, the quality level is really high still just tends to be less enjoyable to watch.
Y'a that's what I ment, the level hasn't drop, it just feel a bit less enjoyable to watch meta wise.
Yeah players are as good as ever and doing what they need to do. A few cheeky mind games a series are fun to watch, but it's not as enjoyable when it's every map. I feel like part of that is mutas being too good in ZvZ, feels like if a player gets to mutas without sustaining damage they're super favored even when they aren't playing against a failed all in. If there were less all-inny ways to consistently play against mutas there would probably be fewer mind games.
On another topic I think the casters are overhyping the impact of the vacation on Reynor's play. I'm sure it's hurting him but it's not like he's making uncharacteristic mistakes, he's just a little less sharp.
That first game of Clem vs Reynor has got to be among the cleanest TvZ we've ever seen performed by a foreigner. Such extreme high-paced multi-tasking. Still, kind of get the feeling that I fear for his wrists.
Silly casters thinking Heromarine had a chance against Serral.
Heromarine is a great player and Serral is less invincible than he has been in the past but come on, Heromarine has shown very little indication of being able to take out Serral or Reynor in a high stakes series.
On August 15 2021 02:09 dysenterymd wrote: Silly casters thinking Heromarine had a chance against Serral.
Heromarine is a great player and Serral is less invincible than he has been in the past but come on, Heromarine has shown very little indication of being able to take out Serral or Reynor in a high stakes series.
Casters forever hype up Gabe as if he’s a peer of a Serral or a Reynor.
He’s a fantastic player but he isn’t that. He can beat them sure but he’s got to play out of his skin and have them maybe be at 90/95% of their top form.
On August 15 2021 02:09 dysenterymd wrote: Silly casters thinking Heromarine had a chance against Serral.
Heromarine is a great player and Serral is less invincible than he has been in the past but come on, Heromarine has shown very little indication of being able to take out Serral or Reynor in a high stakes series.
Casters forever hype up Gabe as if he’s a peer of a Serral or a Reynor.
He’s a fantastic player but he isn’t that. He can beat them sure but he’s got to play out of his skin and have them maybe be at 90/95% of their top form.
I feel strongly that this is false. We usually are very quick to point out that it's "top three EU - clem, serral, reynor, and Heromarine is the Gabekeeper who fights for 4th with Showtime/Lambo/Maxpax ". In open cup casts, in DH casts, so on and so forth.
Rotti and I have just recently been casting HM's TvZ's and been very impressed, that is the honest truth of it. Serral also did not look like he was in top shape in his ZvZ (obviously different match up, different opponent, but there were macro mistakes) and I personally was looking at the first game to see if he was in top shape for TvZ. He was, so he won.
On August 15 2021 02:09 dysenterymd wrote: Silly casters thinking Heromarine had a chance against Serral.
Heromarine is a great player and Serral is less invincible than he has been in the past but come on, Heromarine has shown very little indication of being able to take out Serral or Reynor in a high stakes series.
Casters forever hype up Gabe as if he’s a peer of a Serral or a Reynor.
He’s a fantastic player but he isn’t that. He can beat them sure but he’s got to play out of his skin and have them maybe be at 90/95% of their top form.
I’m honestly tired of casters hyping up the game and trying to spread false narratives about the state of the game.
Give the casters a break, though. Big G is king in all matchups except vs top zergs. The foreign scene has always been pretty much exclusively dominated by zergs (Naniwa, Major, Thorzain, etc, can hardly be considered domination). Let the casters help us believe that terran is a race available to foreigners.
On August 15 2021 03:17 Calliope wrote: Give the casters a break, though. Big G is king in all matchups except vs top zergs. The foreign scene has always been pretty much exclusively dominated by zergs (Naniwa, Major, Thorzain, etc, can hardly be considered domination). Let the casters help us believe that terran is a race available to foreigners.
On August 15 2021 02:09 dysenterymd wrote: Silly casters thinking Heromarine had a chance against Serral.
Heromarine is a great player and Serral is less invincible than he has been in the past but come on, Heromarine has shown very little indication of being able to take out Serral or Reynor in a high stakes series.
Casters forever hype up Gabe as if he’s a peer of a Serral or a Reynor.
He’s a fantastic player but he isn’t that. He can beat them sure but he’s got to play out of his skin and have them maybe be at 90/95% of their top form.
I feel strongly that this is false. We usually are very quick to point out that it's "top three EU - clem, serral, reynor, and Heromarine is the Gabekeeper who fights for 4th with Showtime/Lambo/Maxpax ". In open cup casts, in DH casts, so on and so forth.
Rotti and I have just recently been casting HM's TvZ's and been very impressed, that is the honest truth of it. Serral also did not look like he was in top shape in his ZvZ (obviously different match up, different opponent, but there were macro mistakes) and I personally was looking at the first game to see if he was in top shape for TvZ. He was, so he won.
Fair, I haven’t really had an issue with your casting of Heromarine matches either.
Everyone has their bugbears, I find Heromarine matches, especially if he’s playing a good Korean it’s borderline unlistenable.
If it’s a reasonably comparable talent like say, Special, be it in GSL even with Tastosis who personally know the guy, or elsewhere it’s, generally fine. If it’s Heromarine it’s ‘Big Gabe’ memes half the time, talking about how great he is to the ignorance of his opponent’s chops the other.
Maybe it’s just me and my particular sensibilities.
that no armor style really mesmerizes me, especially with those huge banks. You definitely have enough money to squeeze armor upgrades with those DTs / disruptors
On August 15 2021 02:09 dysenterymd wrote: Silly casters thinking Heromarine had a chance against Serral.
Heromarine is a great player and Serral is less invincible than he has been in the past but come on, Heromarine has shown very little indication of being able to take out Serral or Reynor in a high stakes series.
Casters forever hype up Gabe as if he’s a peer of a Serral or a Reynor.
He’s a fantastic player but he isn’t that. He can beat them sure but he’s got to play out of his skin and have them maybe be at 90/95% of their top form.
I feel strongly that this is false. We usually are very quick to point out that it's "top three EU - clem, serral, reynor, and Heromarine is the Gabekeeper who fights for 4th with Showtime/Lambo/Maxpax ". In open cup casts, in DH casts, so on and so forth.
Rotti and I have just recently been casting HM's TvZ's and been very impressed, that is the honest truth of it. Serral also did not look like he was in top shape in his ZvZ (obviously different match up, different opponent, but there were macro mistakes) and I personally was looking at the first game to see if he was in top shape for TvZ. He was, so he won.
Fair, I haven’t really had an issue with your casting of Heromarine matches either.
Everyone has their bugbears, I find Heromarine matches, especially if he’s playing a good Korean it’s borderline unlistenable.
If it’s a reasonably comparable talent like say, Special, be it in GSL even with Tastosis who personally know the guy, or elsewhere it’s, generally fine. If it’s Heromarine it’s ‘Big Gabe’ memes half the time, talking about how great he is to the ignorance of his opponent’s chops the other.
Maybe it’s just me and my particular sensibilities.
On the other hand, Special seems rly overhyped in these threads who give the impression he is currently at gabe's level while he is not since a good year.
On August 15 2021 03:17 Calliope wrote: Give the casters a break, though. Big G is king in all matchups except vs top zergs. The foreign scene has always been pretty much exclusively dominated by zergs (Naniwa, Major, Thorzain, etc, can hardly be considered domination). Let the casters help us believe that terran is a race available to foreigners.
Clem exists?
Clem is kind of a TvZ specialist tho, he could refine his matchup to where it is because 2 of the ''Zerg Horseman'' play in Europe. He's not much better(if at all) than Heromarine in TvT or TvP. Not like Serral and Reynor who play world class Starcraft in any matchup.
honestly I'm glad we got at least one entertaining game (although mistakes ridden, but most very entertaining games are). Nevertheless I really wonder why MaxPax thinks he can't afford armor with this style. You could see how useless his gateway units were at the end and he definitely had enough money to squeeze at least +2 once he got the +3 attack. Of course he definitely knows better than me but that's been bothering me ever since I saw him play this style.
On August 15 2021 03:17 Calliope wrote: Give the casters a break, though. Big G is king in all matchups except vs top zergs. The foreign scene has always been pretty much exclusively dominated by zergs (Naniwa, Major, Thorzain, etc, can hardly be considered domination). Let the casters help us believe that terran is a race available to foreigners.
Last season 3 regions won by terran 3 by protoss 0 by zerg in foreign scene (zerg win season final) This season so far 2 terran 2 protoss 0 zerg
On August 15 2021 03:17 Calliope wrote: Give the casters a break, though. Big G is king in all matchups except vs top zergs. The foreign scene has always been pretty much exclusively dominated by zergs (Naniwa, Major, Thorzain, etc, can hardly be considered domination). Let the casters help us believe that terran is a race available to foreigners.
Last season 3 regions won by terran 3 by protoss 0 by zerg in foreign scene This season so far 2 terran 2 protoss 0 zerg
while Dark and Rogue are winning GSLs left and right, what world are we living in ?
On August 15 2021 03:17 Calliope wrote: Give the casters a break, though. Big G is king in all matchups except vs top zergs. The foreign scene has always been pretty much exclusively dominated by zergs (Naniwa, Major, Thorzain, etc, can hardly be considered domination). Let the casters help us believe that terran is a race available to foreigners.
Last season 3 regions won by terran 3 by protoss 0 by zerg in foreign scene This season so far 2 terran 2 protoss 0 zerg
while Dark and Rogue are winning GSLs left and right, what world are we living in ?
how is this of any relevance to the foreign scene
of none, was referring to the fact the Korean Z scene was considered weak for a long time, so the current situation is rather funny
On August 15 2021 03:17 Calliope wrote: Give the casters a break, though. Big G is king in all matchups except vs top zergs. The foreign scene has always been pretty much exclusively dominated by zergs (Naniwa, Major, Thorzain, etc, can hardly be considered domination). Let the casters help us believe that terran is a race available to foreigners.
Last season 3 regions won by terran 3 by protoss 0 by zerg in foreign scene This season so far 2 terran 2 protoss 0 zerg
while Dark and Rogue are winning GSLs left and right, what world are we living in ?
On August 15 2021 03:17 Calliope wrote: Give the casters a break, though. Big G is king in all matchups except vs top zergs. The foreign scene has always been pretty much exclusively dominated by zergs (Naniwa, Major, Thorzain, etc, can hardly be considered domination). Let the casters help us believe that terran is a race available to foreigners.
Last season 3 regions won by terran 3 by protoss 0 by zerg in foreign scene This season so far 2 terran 2 protoss 0 zerg
while Dark and Rogue are winning GSLs left and right, what world are we living in ?
A sad world for protoss
it's indeed literally the worst possible situation for P players with the race looking borderline OP up to 6.5k (especially on ladder, generating maximum amounts of whine) while being awful at actually winning tournaments and long series at the highest level.
It was okay other than game 3 which you can safely skip. And yes, you can be at least milldly excited for the Serral vs Clem finals. Both of them performed well in this match up.
On August 15 2021 04:10 Sent. wrote: It was okay other than game 3 which you can safely skip. And yes, you can be at least milldly excited for the Serral vs Clem finals. Both of them performed well in this match up.
thanks ! As much as I like Gabe, I'll hope Clem passes the TvT hurdle tomorrow then
Yet another reason to love Clem. Doesn't make a big fuss, doesn't have to whine endlessly about balance or discredit the efforts of others - his skill does all the talking for him. Puts certain older players to shame
Hoping for a great Serral-Clem finals. Serral is looking in form and Clem seemed mortal against Reynor so I think Serral will take it 4-3 (3-3), but if Serral lets up for a second he could also get steam rolled.
A very quick game one lol... Hoping that Clem wins this match, so that we see Serral vs. Clem in the GF, although the GF starting off with a lopsided +1 game for Serral makes me worried that it'll be a less entertaining match than it could be.
On August 16 2021 02:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I hope the GF is more entertaining than this last series.
can't really be worse honestly, the games were not God awful but straightforward in the most boring way
True.
And then after this Serral match, we see Neeb (with a 1-0 auto-lead) play the winner of Scarlett vs. Astrea, both of whom have already lost to Neeb in this tournament.
HM was doing so many weird things with his build order today, and I am not sure if those achieved anything. Like that Double Reactor for 6 Reapers, which is a massive 300 gas that probably delay his tech unit (Tanks/Vikings/Cyclone) by a bit. I thought HM also was too aggressive for his own good, somehow both sides main army manage to avoid each other many times, and HM army always arrive later and deal less damage.
Being French and all, I have to be a bit torn about that, but I really want Serral to take it all this time, the guy had to cope with too many frustrations as of late. So go Serral !
Hmm Serral gets creep denied, is completely blindsided by Clem's first major push and dies, then Clem completely misreads Beckett and loses. Not what I expected.
Serral needed a broodlord transition if he wanted to win that game. Though really his best choice to win would have been the roach push that Rogue used against Maru on this map in the GSL finals.
On August 16 2021 03:38 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Serral needed a broodlord transition if he wanted to win that game. Though really his best choice to win would have been the roach push that Rogue used against Maru on this map in the GSL finals.
EDIT: anyone know what the next map is?
he never was in a position to transition to Broodlords
At this level with clem mechanics if he does not take a random baneling he just wins. I don't why he did not anticipate the ravager all in from serral because on this map terran is super strong against zerg so zerg must initiate...
On August 16 2021 03:43 sim9999 wrote: At this level with clem mechanics if he does not take a random baneling he just wins. I don't why he did not anticipate the ravager all in from serral because on this map terran is super strong against zerg so zerg must initiate...
I agree, this is pure poetry. Only those highly punishing moments of inattention, like bane runbys or the odd ravager push halts his extremely fast and multi-pronged play. Always happy to see the odd other race than Z taking big tourneys. Super well deserved victory!
On August 16 2021 03:52 virpi wrote: Clem is scary.
his TvZ looks incredible honestly. I really hope he doesn't get eliminated by the likes of Zoun or PartinG in the upcoming season finals, I want to see him go in a bo7 vs Dark, even cross servers
On August 16 2021 03:38 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Serral needed a broodlord transition if he wanted to win that game. Though really his best choice to win would have been the roach push that Rogue used against Maru on this map in the GSL finals.
EDIT: anyone know what the next map is?
he never was in a position to transition to Broodlords
No spot of Infestor's production also before transiting into Hives. This was what Dark did to control Clem's rines micro.
On August 16 2021 03:52 sim9999 wrote: GG CLEM ! he played so well ! Untofrtunately for us that means that all games were mostly bad and uninteresting.
g4 was solid even though Clem maintained at least a slight lead throughout. Otherwise yeah one-sided series.
Marines are a stupid unit balance wise, don't feel like the opponent can really do a thing against them when the'yre played at this level and on the other side a player like heromarine is just lacking that absurdly high "minimum" level micro which is a necessity to claim any major title as terran.
Very honest reaction from Serral on Twitter. I agree with him, he got outclassed but there are a lot of positives about his run. He's definitely still not at the level you can expect from him (and that he expects from himself), but he's getting there.
On August 16 2021 04:03 starkiller123 wrote: how were the games in the final? the score makes it seem pretty one sided
They were better than the previous series, but the score really was one-sided. Serral only won one game out of five, and I think that pretty much describes the series. Mind wasn't super blown in any particular game in the grand finals; just a tip of the hat to Clem, who crushed it.
Marines are a stupid unit balance wise, don't feel like the opponent can really do a thing against them when the'yre played at this level and on the other side a player like heromarine is just lacking that absurdly high "minimum" level micro which is a necessity to claim any major title as terran.
That's right that why broodwar was always more interesting to watch for me. It force players to make more and more decisions. Clem is insane mechanically but there are others areas where he could improve, when he's forced to defend he makes more mistakes, and stategically he can make errors too but in sc2 t v z these areas are rarely explored.
On August 16 2021 03:55 nojok wrote: Marines are a stupid unit balance wise, don't feel like the opponent can really do a thing against them when the'yre played at this level and on the other side a player like heromarine is just lacking that absurdly high "minimum" level micro which is a necessity to claim any major title as terran.
There is a lot players can do vs them, Serral just got outclassed today. Dark on the other hand can handle this
On August 16 2021 05:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Game one Scarlett vs. Astrea was the most interesting back-and-forth game I've seen so far, today The ending was really chaotic and fun to watch too.
Scarlett was 100% dead with Astrea reaching a big number of carriers but somehow managed to kill all Astrea's probes while leaving him with less than 50 minerals. She then killed every interceptor and Astrea had to gg with like 8 empty carriers on the field hahahaha
On August 16 2021 05:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Game one Scarlett vs. Astrea was the most interesting back-and-forth game I've seen so far, today The ending was really chaotic and fun to watch too.
Scarlett was 100% dead with Astrea reaching a big number of carriers but somehow managed to kill all Astrea's probes while leaving him with less than 50 minerals. She then killed every interceptor and Astrea had to gg with like 8 empty carriers on the field hahahaha
The game was really back and forth. It's cool seeing that end condition, where Protoss has carriers but can't make interceptors. Reminds me of IJN at the end of WWII.
On August 16 2021 05:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Game one Scarlett vs. Astrea was the most interesting back-and-forth game I've seen so far, today The ending was really chaotic and fun to watch too.
Scarlett was 100% dead with Astrea reaching a big number of carriers but somehow managed to kill all Astrea's probes while leaving him with less than 50 minerals. She then killed every interceptor and Astrea had to gg with like 8 empty carriers on the field hahahaha
The game was really back and forth. It's cool seeing that end condition, where Protoss has carriers but can't make interceptors. Reminds me of IJN at the end of WWII.
yeah that's the kind of checkmate situation you theorycraft but very rarely get to see. That was so cool
On August 16 2021 06:57 warnull wrote: Ouch game 1. Protoss can stop early aggression with zero effort, just wall off and build a single void ray. Doesn't even need a shield battery.
I think the game would be improved if void rays were changed to not attack ground.
Improved if you want Protoss to get killed off, sure. She killed like one building in an all-in baneling bust lol. That's not supposed to be a low-risk move.
at least it's 1-1 as far as played games go, but they were downright terrible although that was to be expected with the way Neeb shut down Scarlett yesterday, she'll probably keep on throwing curve balls at him and hope for the best
On August 16 2021 07:32 darklycid wrote: Nice throw
It wasn't a throw. Scarlett wasn't significantly in the lead. The late game compositions were basically stalemates, and then Scarlett eventually lost the main fight while also being killed off by a hit squad at the two hatcheries at the 3 o'clock position, so her massive bank didn't really matter since she didn't have enough hatcheries anymore.
On August 16 2021 07:32 darklycid wrote: Nice throw
It wasn't a throw. Scarlett wasn't significantly in the lead. The late game compositions were basically stalemates, and then Scarlett eventually lost the main fight while also being killed off by a hit squad at the two hatcheries at the 3 o'clock position, so her massive bank didn't really matter since she didn't have enough hatcheries anymore.
I mean a throw doesnt necessarily need to be form a posiotion of a big lead imo. Scarlett completely lost her patience with that hitsquad that would have been cleaned by the likes of 2-3 broodlords, meanwhile she just sent all her bls into death and then died with a massive bank imo quite the throwy play.
not the prettiest games, but Scarlett has been finding some windows in the early game. It's already a far closer series than I expected, not a very good one so far but at least interesting
I can understand that mindgame in g7. That was a fun try and Scarlett played a really great series. I mean it's 3-3 in the end, that was much much closer than I expected.
On August 16 2021 03:55 nojok wrote: Marines are a stupid unit balance wise, don't feel like the opponent can really do a thing against them when the'yre played at this level and on the other side a player like heromarine is just lacking that absurdly high "minimum" level micro which is a necessity to claim any major title as terran.
There is a lot players can do vs them, Serral just got outclassed today. Dark on the other hand can handle this
We'll see how Dark manages in ~ 3 weeks. Pity we still have laggy cross server games. Clem seems as fast as prime Maru
On August 16 2021 03:55 nojok wrote: Marines are a stupid unit balance wise, don't feel like the opponent can really do a thing against them when the'yre played at this level and on the other side a player like heromarine is just lacking that absurdly high "minimum" level micro which is a necessity to claim any major title as terran.
There is a lot players can do vs them, Serral just got outclassed today. Dark on the other hand can handle this
We'll see how Dark manages in ~ 3 weeks. Pity we still have laggy cross server games. Clem seems as fast as prime Maru
He’s a scary boy that Clem. Out of fashion now but he’s not the mech player Maru is, and he’s not as good at the expand at almost the pace of the Zerg, defend like a god and get to a sophisticated lategame style that Maru is so good at.
Purely at TvZ though, discounting other things Clem’s definitely climbing to pretty high in the all-time ranks. Mary and peak Inno are still above him, but I’m rapidly starting to wonder, who else?
Byun was a monster in my hiatus from the game, I do gather he was pretty crazy with reapers though. Mvp at his peak was just really good and maybe his TvZ was a little underrated vs how good he was at TvT.
It’s a shame we haven’t seen Clem going toe to toe with Dark and Rogue without ping being a factor.
On August 17 2021 04:47 koalabro wrote: From the score looks like the Neeb Scarlett series was pretty close. Didn't have time to watch, but were they as close as the score leads on?
Same question on Clem Serral
Clem Serral was very one sided actually. Serral got one win in with a roach all in that blindsided Clem. Other then that, Clem was dominating.
Neeb Scarlett, and Scarlett Astrea before that are were incredible close with some minors throws and throwbacks here and there. Do watch those if you can
Lmao, Clem has won FIFTEEN Bo3+ series in a row against Reynor and Serral, two of the three last world champions. Usually if you win fifteen series in a row against someone it means you are a tier above, if not two tiers above, so I guess Clem is somehow SSS tier at TvZ but only A tier at TvP and TvT? In that time he has lost to stars such as MarineLord, Goblin, Gungfubanda, Lilbow, Soul and Nice, btw, and has still yet to win his first international premier because he can't beat even mid-tier Koreans consistently.
TvZ is broken and has been balanced around Kespa terrans' aging hands and cross-server ping. Just took a teenager with fast hands to come along and expose the whole charade. I should put some money on Percival.