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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-08 21:37:00
July 08 2020 21:36 GMT
#361
On July 09 2020 06:34 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:33 Penev wrote:
The most insane thing about BL/Infestor is that it happened TWICE

SC2's design favors air units, and Brood Lords are Zerg's only good air unit against ground, so it makes sense.

It doesn't really make sense Blizz allowed it to happen twice and for months with no reaction. The first time was an attempt to kill the game already. And most of BL/infestor's power comes from the spellcaster, not the brood.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-08 21:38:38
July 08 2020 21:37 GMT
#362
On July 09 2020 06:32 ChaosArcher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:29 royalroadweed wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:27 Elentos wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:25 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:22 Elentos wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:19 Penev wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:08 Solar424 wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote:
NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.

All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete

Yeah it is nice to not have to cope with the constant terran whining in these LR's but maybe there needs to be some adjustments still. Dem terrans sure rose up simultaneously.

Maybe like all the Zergs over the last years they simultaneously figured out they're just more talented than players of the other races

Korea seems to be trending toward T > Z > P > T, maybe foreignland is following suit.


T > Z > P > T has been the status quo for almost all of LotV though the magnitude of the inequalities has varied quite a bit.

We had a good chunk of Z > P & Z > T wherein T was just not as bad off as P. Also a bit of T > P. Incidentally all instances of P > Z lead to nerfs.

I understand the nerfs. Usually whenever P>Z its accompanied by absolute cancer play-styles like 2 base all ins every game or turtle sky toss.


These playstyles are bad, but the most traumatising composition of all time (BL/Inf) was allowed to dominate ZvP lategame for ages, so its weird that only Protoss gets its abusive shit nerfed immediately.

Not just protoss. Ravens were redesigned after one tournament while infestors remained the same for a year. Now that I think about it maybe zergs have just figured out to optimally whine. Don't whine about about the strength of units, whine about the style from a viewer perspective.

edit: I wonder how long until we hear, "mass adept are just not fun to watch".
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
July 08 2020 21:40 GMT
#363
neeb getting rocked T_T
~~~~~
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
July 08 2020 21:40 GMT
#364
On July 09 2020 06:36 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:34 Solar424 wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:33 Penev wrote:
The most insane thing about BL/Infestor is that it happened TWICE

SC2's design favors air units, and Brood Lords are Zerg's only good air unit against ground, so it makes sense.

It doesn't really make sense Blizz allowed it to happen twice and for months with no reaction. The first time was an attempt to kill the game already. And most of BL/infestor's power comes from the spellcaster, not the brood.

Both times a big factor were the infested terrans. I mean S H R O U D is useless but at least it doesn't cause BL/Infestor
I Protoss winner, could it be?
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
July 08 2020 21:44 GMT
#365
Why didn't the devs add frenzy instead of shroud? Stimmed hydras too strong vs P?
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 08 2020 21:45 GMT
#366
On July 09 2020 06:40 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:36 Elentos wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:34 Solar424 wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:33 Penev wrote:
The most insane thing about BL/Infestor is that it happened TWICE

SC2's design favors air units, and Brood Lords are Zerg's only good air unit against ground, so it makes sense.

It doesn't really make sense Blizz allowed it to happen twice and for months with no reaction. The first time was an attempt to kill the game already. And most of BL/infestor's power comes from the spellcaster, not the brood.

Both times a big factor were the infested terrans. I mean S H R O U D is useless but at least it doesn't cause BL/Infestor


Shroud is useful in the very common situation where you have infestor/hydra, don't have neural parasite and are going against skytoss without high templar support. If they do have storm, well, Elazer showed us what happens then.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
July 08 2020 21:46 GMT
#367
On July 09 2020 06:26 Rob-Zero wrote:
What is up with Neeb? I mean in general, is he taking it easy nowadays? I´m always thinking he could be so much better than what i saw from him in the last year or so.
In this case, why did he not try to wait until overcharge was running out or get out of range?

I don't have an answer, maybe he's studying?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-08 21:51:37
July 08 2020 21:49 GMT
#368
On July 09 2020 06:46 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:26 Rob-Zero wrote:
What is up with Neeb? I mean in general, is he taking it easy nowadays? I´m always thinking he could be so much better than what i saw from him in the last year or so.
In this case, why did he not try to wait until overcharge was running out or get out of range?

I don't have an answer, maybe he's studying?

he was playing csgo before hand.
Edit: Neeb wins, yay!!!
Faker is the GOAT!
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
July 08 2020 21:51 GMT
#369
damn neeb with the godlike blink engage
~~~~~
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
July 08 2020 21:51 GMT
#370
No idea how neeb won that.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
July 08 2020 21:52 GMT
#371
On July 09 2020 06:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:40 Penev wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:36 Elentos wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:34 Solar424 wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:33 Penev wrote:
The most insane thing about BL/Infestor is that it happened TWICE

SC2's design favors air units, and Brood Lords are Zerg's only good air unit against ground, so it makes sense.

It doesn't really make sense Blizz allowed it to happen twice and for months with no reaction. The first time was an attempt to kill the game already. And most of BL/infestor's power comes from the spellcaster, not the brood.

Both times a big factor were the infested terrans. I mean S H R O U D is useless but at least it doesn't cause BL/Infestor


Shroud is useful in the very common situation where you have infestor/hydra, don't have neural parasite and are going against skytoss without high templar support. If they do have storm, well, Elazer showed us what happens then.


It does looks nice though, when casted
I Protoss winner, could it be?
ChaosArcher
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany956 Posts
July 08 2020 21:53 GMT
#372
On July 09 2020 06:51 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
damn neeb with the godlike blink engage


Andi fliegt hoch,
Andi fliegt weit,
Andi nimmt koks,
Andi ist breit
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 08 2020 21:53 GMT
#373
On July 09 2020 06:49 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:46 Penev wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:26 Rob-Zero wrote:
What is up with Neeb? I mean in general, is he taking it easy nowadays? I´m always thinking he could be so much better than what i saw from him in the last year or so.
In this case, why did he not try to wait until overcharge was running out or get out of range?

I don't have an answer, maybe he's studying?

he was playing csgo before hand.
Edit: Neeb wins, yay!!!


Future plays chess, so is it confirmed that chess makes for better starcraft practice than csgo?
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
July 08 2020 21:57 GMT
#374
On July 09 2020 06:53 ChaosArcher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:51 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
damn neeb with the godlike blink engage


Andi fliegt hoch,
Andi fliegt weit,
Andi nimmt koks,
Andi ist breit

brudi du weisst
~~~~~
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
July 08 2020 21:59 GMT
#375
meanwhile, in PvP land
I Protoss winner, could it be?
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-08 22:04:00
July 08 2020 22:03 GMT
#376
Neeb reverse sweep!!!!!!!!
Faker is the GOAT!
ChaosArcher
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany956 Posts
July 08 2020 22:07 GMT
#377
On July 09 2020 06:57 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:53 ChaosArcher wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:51 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
damn neeb with the godlike blink engage


Andi fliegt hoch,
Andi fliegt weit,
Andi nimmt koks,
Andi ist breit

brudi du weisst


Hahaha TL might have been the last place I expected to meet a K. Ronaldo fan.
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-08 22:15:26
July 08 2020 22:11 GMT
#378
On July 09 2020 07:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:57 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:53 ChaosArcher wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:51 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
damn neeb with the godlike blink engage


Andi fliegt hoch,
Andi fliegt weit,
Andi nimmt koks,
Andi ist breit

brudi du weisst


Hahaha TL might have been the last place I expected to meet a K. Ronaldo fan.

same, although there was another guy a couple months back that recognised the ski jumper but not the song^^

edit: love that neeb gave away 2 games for the storyline
~~~~~
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-08 22:15:55
July 08 2020 22:15 GMT
#379
gg Neeb with the revere sweep, showing his veteran class
Faker is the GOAT!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33499 Posts
July 08 2020 22:15 GMT
#380
This was a metaphor for how the millenials will never oust the boomers from power in America
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
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