• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:18
CEST 09:18
KST 16:18
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism0Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?103Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over3New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!46
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) SC4ALL: II Winner Will Earn a Spot at HSC 30! Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over
Tourneys
https://www.facebook.com/Memo.Matrix.Official 2026 GSTL Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 540 Dodge This
Brood War
General
Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon? New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! ASL22 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Pros React To: Calm's Big Brain Play Vs Mini
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group B [ASL22] Ro16 Group A [ASL22] Ro24 Group F [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Replay Review Process - What do you do? Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo IV EVE Corporation [Maplestory Hardcore] Let's Play~!! General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
F* the Children and Get Off …
TrAiDoS
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Regacy Esports: The Bh…
regacyesports
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8798 users

DH Masters Summer 2020 - North America - Page 19

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 17 18 19 20 21 36 Next All
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-08 21:37:00
July 08 2020 21:36 GMT
#361
On July 09 2020 06:34 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:33 Penev wrote:
The most insane thing about BL/Infestor is that it happened TWICE

SC2's design favors air units, and Brood Lords are Zerg's only good air unit against ground, so it makes sense.

It doesn't really make sense Blizz allowed it to happen twice and for months with no reaction. The first time was an attempt to kill the game already. And most of BL/infestor's power comes from the spellcaster, not the brood.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-08 21:38:38
July 08 2020 21:37 GMT
#362
On July 09 2020 06:32 ChaosArcher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:29 royalroadweed wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:27 Elentos wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:25 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:22 Elentos wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:19 Penev wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:08 Solar424 wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote:
NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.

All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete

Yeah it is nice to not have to cope with the constant terran whining in these LR's but maybe there needs to be some adjustments still. Dem terrans sure rose up simultaneously.

Maybe like all the Zergs over the last years they simultaneously figured out they're just more talented than players of the other races

Korea seems to be trending toward T > Z > P > T, maybe foreignland is following suit.


T > Z > P > T has been the status quo for almost all of LotV though the magnitude of the inequalities has varied quite a bit.

We had a good chunk of Z > P & Z > T wherein T was just not as bad off as P. Also a bit of T > P. Incidentally all instances of P > Z lead to nerfs.

I understand the nerfs. Usually whenever P>Z its accompanied by absolute cancer play-styles like 2 base all ins every game or turtle sky toss.


These playstyles are bad, but the most traumatising composition of all time (BL/Inf) was allowed to dominate ZvP lategame for ages, so its weird that only Protoss gets its abusive shit nerfed immediately.

Not just protoss. Ravens were redesigned after one tournament while infestors remained the same for a year. Now that I think about it maybe zergs have just figured out to optimally whine. Don't whine about about the strength of units, whine about the style from a viewer perspective.

edit: I wonder how long until we hear, "mass adept are just not fun to watch".
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
July 08 2020 21:40 GMT
#363
neeb getting rocked T_T
~~~~~
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
July 08 2020 21:40 GMT
#364
On July 09 2020 06:36 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:34 Solar424 wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:33 Penev wrote:
The most insane thing about BL/Infestor is that it happened TWICE

SC2's design favors air units, and Brood Lords are Zerg's only good air unit against ground, so it makes sense.

It doesn't really make sense Blizz allowed it to happen twice and for months with no reaction. The first time was an attempt to kill the game already. And most of BL/infestor's power comes from the spellcaster, not the brood.

Both times a big factor were the infested terrans. I mean S H R O U D is useless but at least it doesn't cause BL/Infestor
I Protoss winner, could it be?
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
July 08 2020 21:44 GMT
#365
Why didn't the devs add frenzy instead of shroud? Stimmed hydras too strong vs P?
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 08 2020 21:45 GMT
#366
On July 09 2020 06:40 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:36 Elentos wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:34 Solar424 wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:33 Penev wrote:
The most insane thing about BL/Infestor is that it happened TWICE

SC2's design favors air units, and Brood Lords are Zerg's only good air unit against ground, so it makes sense.

It doesn't really make sense Blizz allowed it to happen twice and for months with no reaction. The first time was an attempt to kill the game already. And most of BL/infestor's power comes from the spellcaster, not the brood.

Both times a big factor were the infested terrans. I mean S H R O U D is useless but at least it doesn't cause BL/Infestor


Shroud is useful in the very common situation where you have infestor/hydra, don't have neural parasite and are going against skytoss without high templar support. If they do have storm, well, Elazer showed us what happens then.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
July 08 2020 21:46 GMT
#367
On July 09 2020 06:26 Rob-Zero wrote:
What is up with Neeb? I mean in general, is he taking it easy nowadays? I´m always thinking he could be so much better than what i saw from him in the last year or so.
In this case, why did he not try to wait until overcharge was running out or get out of range?

I don't have an answer, maybe he's studying?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-08 21:51:37
July 08 2020 21:49 GMT
#368
On July 09 2020 06:46 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:26 Rob-Zero wrote:
What is up with Neeb? I mean in general, is he taking it easy nowadays? I´m always thinking he could be so much better than what i saw from him in the last year or so.
In this case, why did he not try to wait until overcharge was running out or get out of range?

I don't have an answer, maybe he's studying?

he was playing csgo before hand.
Edit: Neeb wins, yay!!!
Faker is the GOAT!
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
July 08 2020 21:51 GMT
#369
damn neeb with the godlike blink engage
~~~~~
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
July 08 2020 21:51 GMT
#370
No idea how neeb won that.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
July 08 2020 21:52 GMT
#371
On July 09 2020 06:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:40 Penev wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:36 Elentos wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:34 Solar424 wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:33 Penev wrote:
The most insane thing about BL/Infestor is that it happened TWICE

SC2's design favors air units, and Brood Lords are Zerg's only good air unit against ground, so it makes sense.

It doesn't really make sense Blizz allowed it to happen twice and for months with no reaction. The first time was an attempt to kill the game already. And most of BL/infestor's power comes from the spellcaster, not the brood.

Both times a big factor were the infested terrans. I mean S H R O U D is useless but at least it doesn't cause BL/Infestor


Shroud is useful in the very common situation where you have infestor/hydra, don't have neural parasite and are going against skytoss without high templar support. If they do have storm, well, Elazer showed us what happens then.


It does looks nice though, when casted
I Protoss winner, could it be?
ChaosArcher
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany956 Posts
July 08 2020 21:53 GMT
#372
On July 09 2020 06:51 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
damn neeb with the godlike blink engage


Andi fliegt hoch,
Andi fliegt weit,
Andi nimmt koks,
Andi ist breit
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 08 2020 21:53 GMT
#373
On July 09 2020 06:49 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:46 Penev wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:26 Rob-Zero wrote:
What is up with Neeb? I mean in general, is he taking it easy nowadays? I´m always thinking he could be so much better than what i saw from him in the last year or so.
In this case, why did he not try to wait until overcharge was running out or get out of range?

I don't have an answer, maybe he's studying?

he was playing csgo before hand.
Edit: Neeb wins, yay!!!


Future plays chess, so is it confirmed that chess makes for better starcraft practice than csgo?
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
July 08 2020 21:57 GMT
#374
On July 09 2020 06:53 ChaosArcher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:51 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
damn neeb with the godlike blink engage


Andi fliegt hoch,
Andi fliegt weit,
Andi nimmt koks,
Andi ist breit

brudi du weisst
~~~~~
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
July 08 2020 21:59 GMT
#375
meanwhile, in PvP land
I Protoss winner, could it be?
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-08 22:04:00
July 08 2020 22:03 GMT
#376
Neeb reverse sweep!!!!!!!!
Faker is the GOAT!
ChaosArcher
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany956 Posts
July 08 2020 22:07 GMT
#377
On July 09 2020 06:57 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:53 ChaosArcher wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:51 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
damn neeb with the godlike blink engage


Andi fliegt hoch,
Andi fliegt weit,
Andi nimmt koks,
Andi ist breit

brudi du weisst


Hahaha TL might have been the last place I expected to meet a K. Ronaldo fan.
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-08 22:15:26
July 08 2020 22:11 GMT
#378
On July 09 2020 07:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:57 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:53 ChaosArcher wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:51 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
damn neeb with the godlike blink engage


Andi fliegt hoch,
Andi fliegt weit,
Andi nimmt koks,
Andi ist breit

brudi du weisst


Hahaha TL might have been the last place I expected to meet a K. Ronaldo fan.

same, although there was another guy a couple months back that recognised the ski jumper but not the song^^

edit: love that neeb gave away 2 games for the storyline
~~~~~
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-08 22:15:55
July 08 2020 22:15 GMT
#379
gg Neeb with the revere sweep, showing his veteran class
Faker is the GOAT!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33692 Posts
July 08 2020 22:15 GMT
#380
This was a metaphor for how the millenials will never oust the boomers from power in America
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Prev 1 17 18 19 20 21 36 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 42m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft640
StarCraft: Brood War
actioN 291
soO 73
Hm[arnc] 72
Bale 45
ZergMaN 24
League of Legends
JimRising 669
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss64
Other Games
ceh9549
XaKoH 337
Happy316
NeuroSwarm99
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• iopq 0
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2281
League of Legends
• Rush1147
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
2h 42m
Leta vs ggaemo
Jaedong vs Queen
GSL
3h 42m
PiGosaur Cup
16h 42m
Kung Fu Cup
1d 3h
Replay Cast
1d 16h
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
Escore
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
5 days
Spirit vs Mixu
Clem vs TBD
RSL Revival
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-02
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
RSL Revival: Season 6
Calamity Invitational
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.