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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 08 2020 21:21 GMT
#341
On July 09 2020 06:14 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:12 Elentos wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote:
NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.

It's a bit of a meme to mention Future and leave out TIME.

I'm not a believer in his TvT/TvP yet. He's semi region locked and the Chinese meta is funky.


I didn't realize China has enough terrans to have a TvT meta. Just kidding. I know TIME beats up Coffee from time to time.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
July 08 2020 21:22 GMT
#342
On July 09 2020 06:19 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:08 Solar424 wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote:
NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.

All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete

Yeah it is nice to not have to cope with the constant terran whining in these LR's but maybe there needs to be some adjustments still. Dem terrans sure rose up simultaneously.

Maybe like all the Zergs over the last years they simultaneously figured out they're just more talented than players of the other races

Korea seems to be trending toward T > Z > P > T, maybe foreignland is following suit.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
July 08 2020 21:23 GMT
#343
On July 09 2020 06:22 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:19 Penev wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:08 Solar424 wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote:
NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.

All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete

Yeah it is nice to not have to cope with the constant terran whining in these LR's but maybe there needs to be some adjustments still. Dem terrans sure rose up simultaneously.

Maybe like all the Zergs over the last years they simultaneously figured out they're just more talented than players of the other races

Korea seems to be trending toward T > Z > P > T, maybe foreignland is following suit.

it seems to be what this franchise tends to favor
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
July 08 2020 21:24 GMT
#344
CatZ just went insane
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
July 08 2020 21:24 GMT
#345
LOL Battery overcharge good unit
Faker is the GOAT!
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 08 2020 21:25 GMT
#346
On July 09 2020 06:22 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:19 Penev wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:08 Solar424 wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote:
NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.

All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete

Yeah it is nice to not have to cope with the constant terran whining in these LR's but maybe there needs to be some adjustments still. Dem terrans sure rose up simultaneously.

Maybe like all the Zergs over the last years they simultaneously figured out they're just more talented than players of the other races

Korea seems to be trending toward T > Z > P > T, maybe foreignland is following suit.


T > Z > P > T has been the status quo for almost all of LotV though the magnitude of the inequalities has varied quite a bit.
Rob-Zero
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany460 Posts
July 08 2020 21:26 GMT
#347
What is up with Neeb? I mean in general, is he taking it easy nowadays? I´m always thinking he could be so much better than what i saw from him in the last year or so.
In this case, why did he not try to wait until overcharge was running out or get out of range?
Dark Age of Camelot - I miss you
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
July 08 2020 21:27 GMT
#348
On July 09 2020 06:25 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:22 Elentos wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:19 Penev wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:08 Solar424 wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote:
NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.

All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete

Yeah it is nice to not have to cope with the constant terran whining in these LR's but maybe there needs to be some adjustments still. Dem terrans sure rose up simultaneously.

Maybe like all the Zergs over the last years they simultaneously figured out they're just more talented than players of the other races

Korea seems to be trending toward T > Z > P > T, maybe foreignland is following suit.


T > Z > P > T has been the status quo for almost all of LotV though the magnitude of the inequalities has varied quite a bit.

We had a good chunk of Z > P & Z > T wherein T was just not as bad off as P. Also a bit of T > P. Incidentally all instances of P > Z lead to nerfs.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
ChaosArcher
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany956 Posts
July 08 2020 21:29 GMT
#349
On July 09 2020 06:25 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:22 Elentos wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:19 Penev wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:08 Solar424 wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote:
NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.

All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete

Yeah it is nice to not have to cope with the constant terran whining in these LR's but maybe there needs to be some adjustments still. Dem terrans sure rose up simultaneously.

Maybe like all the Zergs over the last years they simultaneously figured out they're just more talented than players of the other races

Korea seems to be trending toward T > Z > P > T, maybe foreignland is following suit.


T > Z > P > T has been the status quo for almost all of LotV though the magnitude of the inequalities has varied quite a bit.


Agreed.
The problem is for a long period last year T <= Z, which left barely any Terrans in tournaments for Protoss to feed on.
And right now it feels like T > Z > P = T, so Protoss is struggling again.
I am suprised by how little Protoss players complained in the last few years, and I say this as a Zerg.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
July 08 2020 21:29 GMT
#350
P R O X Y

O B S E R V E R
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
July 08 2020 21:29 GMT
#351
On July 09 2020 06:27 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:25 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:22 Elentos wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:19 Penev wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:08 Solar424 wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote:
NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.

All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete

Yeah it is nice to not have to cope with the constant terran whining in these LR's but maybe there needs to be some adjustments still. Dem terrans sure rose up simultaneously.

Maybe like all the Zergs over the last years they simultaneously figured out they're just more talented than players of the other races

Korea seems to be trending toward T > Z > P > T, maybe foreignland is following suit.


T > Z > P > T has been the status quo for almost all of LotV though the magnitude of the inequalities has varied quite a bit.

We had a good chunk of Z > P & Z > T wherein T was just not as bad off as P. Also a bit of T > P. Incidentally all instances of P > Z lead to nerfs.

I understand the nerfs. Usually whenever P>Z its accompanied by absolute cancer play-styles like 2 base all ins every game or turtle sky toss.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-08 21:33:00
July 08 2020 21:31 GMT
#352
On July 09 2020 06:29 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:27 Elentos wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:25 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:22 Elentos wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:19 Penev wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:08 Solar424 wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote:
NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.

All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete

Yeah it is nice to not have to cope with the constant terran whining in these LR's but maybe there needs to be some adjustments still. Dem terrans sure rose up simultaneously.

Maybe like all the Zergs over the last years they simultaneously figured out they're just more talented than players of the other races

Korea seems to be trending toward T > Z > P > T, maybe foreignland is following suit.


T > Z > P > T has been the status quo for almost all of LotV though the magnitude of the inequalities has varied quite a bit.

We had a good chunk of Z > P & Z > T wherein T was just not as bad off as P. Also a bit of T > P. Incidentally all instances of P > Z lead to nerfs.

I understand the nerfs. Usually whenever P>Z its accompanied by absolute cancer play-styles like 2 base all ins every game or turtle sky toss.

Just becomes questionable when there's a pattern of the things that work for Protoss getting nerfed very quickly without compensation whereas we all had to bear with BL/infestor for half a year last year for the 2nd time in SC2.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
July 08 2020 21:32 GMT
#353
I am so confused as to what Neeb is doing
Faker is the GOAT!
ChaosArcher
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany956 Posts
July 08 2020 21:32 GMT
#354
On July 09 2020 06:29 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:27 Elentos wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:25 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:22 Elentos wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:19 Penev wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:08 Solar424 wrote:
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote:
NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.

All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete

Yeah it is nice to not have to cope with the constant terran whining in these LR's but maybe there needs to be some adjustments still. Dem terrans sure rose up simultaneously.

Maybe like all the Zergs over the last years they simultaneously figured out they're just more talented than players of the other races

Korea seems to be trending toward T > Z > P > T, maybe foreignland is following suit.


T > Z > P > T has been the status quo for almost all of LotV though the magnitude of the inequalities has varied quite a bit.

We had a good chunk of Z > P & Z > T wherein T was just not as bad off as P. Also a bit of T > P. Incidentally all instances of P > Z lead to nerfs.

I understand the nerfs. Usually whenever P>Z its accompanied by absolute cancer play-styles like 2 base all ins every game or turtle sky toss.


These playstyles are bad, but the most traumatising composition of all time (BL/Inf) was allowed to dominate ZvP lategame for ages, so its weird that only Protoss gets its abusive shit nerfed immediately.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
July 08 2020 21:33 GMT
#355
The most insane thing about BL/Infestor is that it happened TWICE
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
July 08 2020 21:34 GMT
#356
These US players need to stop attacking their own air units
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
July 08 2020 21:34 GMT
#357
On July 09 2020 06:33 Penev wrote:
The most insane thing about BL/Infestor is that it happened TWICE

SC2's design favors air units, and Brood Lords are Zerg's only good air unit against ground, so it makes sense.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
July 08 2020 21:35 GMT
#358
On July 09 2020 06:34 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 06:33 Penev wrote:
The most insane thing about BL/Infestor is that it happened TWICE

SC2's design favors air units, and Brood Lords are Zerg's only good air unit against ground, so it makes sense.

Not to have it be such a problem for a long time.. twice
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33499 Posts
July 08 2020 21:36 GMT
#359
On July 09 2020 06:34 Elentos wrote:
These US players need to stop attacking their own air units


it's an allegory for the failing airline industry in these troubled times
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
July 08 2020 21:36 GMT
#360
Neeb is getting bopped aiai
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