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Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-11 19:15:50
July 11 2020 19:14 GMT
#1281
On July 12 2020 04:04 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2020 04:02 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
On July 12 2020 04:02 Elentos wrote:
On July 12 2020 04:01 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
On July 12 2020 04:00 Penev wrote:
So I guess you need liberators against this?

a 4th base would be a starting point

8 rax all-ins aren't known for their 4th bases though

neither for liberators

I obviously didn't mean HM could just transition, I was asking how to best deal with lurkers

I thought you meant the situation in that game, my bad.
Libs are the first answer, but if the zerg sees you are trying to build up to a Lib count, he can hit you nasty with abducting the small lib count.. If you get to a good lib count, you will need ghosts to protect them, so imo Libs arent really the answer but ghost lib is.This obviously requires 4+ bases of gas mining which is kind of impossible to attain vs somebody like reynor on maps like Pillars so I dont think heromarine would ever go for that kind of style
~~~~~
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
July 11 2020 19:14 GMT
#1282
On July 12 2020 04:12 Penev wrote:
It's shoutout to Soul day lol

RIP souL, Protossed but not forgotten
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
July 11 2020 19:16 GMT
#1283
rotti wishing for the zvz final :D
~~~~~
mcfii
Profile Joined June 2020
5 Posts
July 11 2020 19:17 GMT
#1284
How long has been Clem been this good?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
July 11 2020 19:18 GMT
#1285
On July 12 2020 04:14 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2020 04:04 Penev wrote:
On July 12 2020 04:02 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
On July 12 2020 04:02 Elentos wrote:
On July 12 2020 04:01 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
On July 12 2020 04:00 Penev wrote:
So I guess you need liberators against this?

a 4th base would be a starting point

8 rax all-ins aren't known for their 4th bases though

neither for liberators

I obviously didn't mean HM could just transition, I was asking how to best deal with lurkers

I thought you meant the situation in that game, my bad.
Libs are the first answer, but if the zerg sees you are trying to build up to a Lib count, he can hit you nasty with abducting the small lib count.. If you get to a good lib count, you will need ghosts to protect them, so imo Libs arent really the answer but ghost lib is.This obviously requires 4+ bases of gas mining which is kind of impossible to attain vs somebody like reynor on maps like Pillars so I dont think heromarine would ever go for that kind of style

TaeJa just went with bio/ghost/tank in GSL, Maru also stuck with that in Super Tournament. They did a lot better in the frontal engages than Gabe did though - which honestly is probably also in part because of the maps those games were on.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
July 11 2020 19:21 GMT
#1286
On July 12 2020 04:14 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2020 04:04 Penev wrote:
On July 12 2020 04:02 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
On July 12 2020 04:02 Elentos wrote:
On July 12 2020 04:01 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
On July 12 2020 04:00 Penev wrote:
So I guess you need liberators against this?

a 4th base would be a starting point

8 rax all-ins aren't known for their 4th bases though

neither for liberators

I obviously didn't mean HM could just transition, I was asking how to best deal with lurkers

I thought you meant the situation in that game, my bad.
Libs are the first answer, but if the zerg sees you are trying to build up to a Lib count, he can hit you nasty with abducting the small lib count.. If you get to a good lib count, you will need ghosts to protect them, so imo Libs arent really the answer but ghost lib is.This obviously requires 4+ bases of gas mining which is kind of impossible to attain vs somebody like reynor on maps like Pillars so I dont think heromarine would ever go for that kind of style

Np and thanks.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
July 11 2020 19:21 GMT
#1287
On July 12 2020 04:16 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
rotti wishing for the zvz final :D

I am as well, I love Reynor vs Serral games.
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-11 19:34:22
July 11 2020 19:33 GMT
#1288
On July 12 2020 04:18 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2020 04:14 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
On July 12 2020 04:04 Penev wrote:
On July 12 2020 04:02 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
On July 12 2020 04:02 Elentos wrote:
On July 12 2020 04:01 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
On July 12 2020 04:00 Penev wrote:
So I guess you need liberators against this?

a 4th base would be a starting point

8 rax all-ins aren't known for their 4th bases though

neither for liberators

I obviously didn't mean HM could just transition, I was asking how to best deal with lurkers

I thought you meant the situation in that game, my bad.
Libs are the first answer, but if the zerg sees you are trying to build up to a Lib count, he can hit you nasty with abducting the small lib count.. If you get to a good lib count, you will need ghosts to protect them, so imo Libs arent really the answer but ghost lib is.This obviously requires 4+ bases of gas mining which is kind of impossible to attain vs somebody like reynor on maps like Pillars so I dont think heromarine would ever go for that kind of style

TaeJa just went with bio/ghost/tank in GSL, Maru also stuck with that in Super Tournament. They did a lot better in the frontal engages than Gabe did though - which honestly is probably also in part because of the maps those games were on.

yeah I mean that teaja vs dark game on Nightshade! It was one of the better maps we had for tanks tho. I saw SpeCial on stream play a lot of ladder vs Solar and he always went for the lib ghost count on maps where he could actually secure 6 or 8 geysers. I think its better vs hydra lurker viper straigt up but if you get a good map and keep the zerg on a low base count, marine tank ghost can work too

On July 12 2020 04:21 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2020 04:16 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
rotti wishing for the zvz final :D

I am as well, I love Reynor vs Serral games.

I love Serral vs Clem games more
~~~~~
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
July 11 2020 20:00 GMT
#1289
hoping for the Serral Clem rematch too, those tvz looked damn good and I'm pretty sure they'll look equally good in the context of a big finals
Husyelt
Profile Blog Joined May 2020
United States839 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-12 00:04:34
July 11 2020 23:58 GMT
#1290
On July 12 2020 04:17 mcfii wrote:
How long has been Clem been this good?

Clem has been close to this good for about a year now, but not in all matchups or playstyles. Where as today, he is pretty much a top* #3 foreigner in my book, and probably a top 5 Terran worldwide.

Serral vs Clem today was the most exciting series I've seen in a while >in terms of pure display of skill.
You're getting cynical and that won't do I'd throw the rose tint back on the exploded view
Calliope
Profile Joined July 2018
297 Posts
July 12 2020 00:26 GMT
#1291
On July 12 2020 05:00 [PkF] Wire wrote:
hoping for the Serral Clem rematch too, those tvz looked damn good and I'm pretty sure they'll look equally good in the context of a big finals


It would be so nice if we got to watch that. But even if he manages to beat Reynor he'd probably be exhausted and up against a well-rested Serral.
Clément 화이팅
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6331 Posts
July 12 2020 02:31 GMT
#1292
Caught up the Clem vs Serral series holy crap how good are those two?
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
July 12 2020 05:01 GMT
#1293
On July 12 2020 11:31 digmouse wrote:
Caught up the Clem vs Serral series holy crap how good are those two?

I ve seen days, were Innos or Cures Splits looked realy bad, After watching Clem.
So I d say, they are quite good
MaxPax
whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-12 10:11:22
July 12 2020 10:10 GMT
#1294
Who's casting tonight's l.finals and g.finals?
NUTELLA y u no make me skinny?!?
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-12 11:16:13
July 12 2020 11:15 GMT
#1295
if youre trying to get into the mood for our ZvZ finals

also shoutout to 720p in 2018, amazing technology)
~~~~~
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8217 Posts
July 12 2020 14:33 GMT
#1296
Reynor 3-2 Clem
Serral 3-2 Reynor

sorry lads
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
July 12 2020 14:46 GMT
#1297
On July 12 2020 19:10 whiterabbit wrote:
Who's casting tonight's l.finals and g.finals?


No, but I can safelly say Rotti is at least casting the Grand final, the betting man in me want to say with ZG, I feel it's the most solid duo of the bunch, altough everyone's great.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
July 12 2020 14:56 GMT
#1298
On July 12 2020 09:26 Calliope wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2020 05:00 [PkF] Wire wrote:
hoping for the Serral Clem rematch too, those tvz looked damn good and I'm pretty sure they'll look equally good in the context of a big finals


It would be so nice if we got to watch that. But even if he manages to beat Reynor he'd probably be exhausted and up against a well-rested Serral.

He's done it before though the other way around
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8217 Posts
July 12 2020 16:51 GMT
#1299
Young Guns showdown hype!
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 12 2020 16:54 GMT
#1300
I like the viking to abuse Reyrno's consistent OL speed opening
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
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