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On March 11 2019 19:59 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 19:54 sneakyfox wrote:Serral-Showtime deathmatch coming up! (if showtime beats MaSa) On March 11 2019 19:53 Geo.Rion wrote:
Also Serral 2-0d Harstem, so that bodes well for him. I think he still can get knocked out if he loses to Showtime, and the rest of the games break a certain way. No need for them to break any which way, it's h2h tiebreaker so the winner moves on regardless. Beating serral is not enought for showtime. he needs to beat masa too
Already says so in the post you quoted 
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On March 11 2019 20:05 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 19:59 BerserkSword wrote:On March 11 2019 19:54 sneakyfox wrote:Serral-Showtime deathmatch coming up! (if showtime beats MaSa) On March 11 2019 19:53 Geo.Rion wrote:
Also Serral 2-0d Harstem, so that bodes well for him. I think he still can get knocked out if he loses to Showtime, and the rest of the games break a certain way. No need for them to break any which way, it's h2h tiebreaker so the winner moves on regardless. Beating serral is not enought for showtime. he needs to beat masa too Already says so in the post you quoted
oh i mised that whoops
my mistake
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On March 11 2019 19:32 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 19:29 Fango wrote:
Wesg groups are still h2h > map score lol. They really don't care about making a good format Ok, but what if Serral > Harstem > Neeb > Serral? Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 19:32 BerserkSword wrote:On March 11 2019 19:29 Fango wrote:
Wesg groups are still h2h > map score lol. They really don't care about making a good format I prefer h2h to be honest. Map score shouldnt matter as much, since the Best of X format is based around winning series' not individual games. and Tie breakers being governed by H2H is pretty much standard format in most competitions Map score is superior because it tells how well you won a series. Also, it prevents frustrating situations like where Impact went evenly against his opponents in wins but still went out. TB got very mad over this situation.
I dont believe map score tell how well you won a series
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Lol did anyone see how Drager managed to take a map off Dark?
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On March 11 2019 20:10 sneakyfox wrote:
Lol did anyone see how Drager managed to take a map off Dark?
Did not see it, but it was probaly cause of a fanfic worthy encounter between Drager and Has
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On March 11 2019 19:15 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 18:53 deacon.frost wrote:On March 11 2019 18:36 Xain0n wrote:On March 11 2019 17:31 sneakyfox wrote:On March 11 2019 17:24 Durnuu wrote:On March 11 2019 17:18 sneakyfox wrote:
Just joined this. Serral lost to Neeb, slump confirmed? Patchzerg confirmed? Truth hurts, but someone's got to say it. Brave statement, really I guess I shouldn't answer to this seriously; I would, nevertheless. It would be weird to call Serral a patchzerg as literally no other Zerg won a Premier tournament during his ascension; only Reynor reached the finals at Montreal. Technically speaking Rogue and Scarlett won IEM. While this was outside of Serrals road to glory it jsut shows how weak Zerg was. Rogue then reached Code S RO8 S2 and by many the Rogue v Maru was the best match of the play off(bad Zest finals included) Dark reached 2 finals - WESG, ST1 Both Dark & Solar got to RO4 ST2 and lost closely 3:2. On March 11 2019 18:36 Xain0n wrote:
Moreover, Serral won HSC against a sea of Terran while every zerg was struggling in the patch.
As for Serral's form, he wasn't flawless at IEM and has been ill last week; Neeb has probably the best PvZ if his opponent is not named Dark, seeing him defeat Serral is nothing out of ordinary.
However, if he just won with early pushes I'm very worried(I couldn't watch the games, I was sleeping); if we exclude specific matchups, Serral's main weakness is in the midgame before remax as he is very hard to cheese and has extremely good lategame(ZvT may or may not be an exception). He won HSC against weak Terrans. At that time the best Terrans were Maru & TY, then small space, GumiHo and after these 3 huge space and Innovation. Innovation was the underdog in their HSC tournament based on his results from 2018. You can't seriously talk about his HSC and Terran results when Serral was in form while he played inferiour players. On March 11 2019 18:42 Charoisaur wrote:
not sure why people are surprised by Neeb beating Serral. Neeb is probably the most underrated player in the world currently. He plays extremely well since a while but nobody cares because everyone is busy hyping up Serral. Most people have probably already forgotten he made the GSL ro4... I don't think he's as underrated as Classic was, is and will be. They called him PATCHZerg, Dark and Scarlett victories happened not only before Serral's glory road, but in the previous patch. Ro8 and ro4 in Code S? That barely justifies the viability of one race, definitely doesn't make it seem too good unless you think korean zerg are worse players than their protoss and terran equivalents, Dark was the only top korean zerg not present at HSC; this translated into Solar having the best placement out of them not going further than Winner's bracket round 1. On the other hand, the top two(three?) Twere missing and magically the top four only had Terran players except for Serral winning the tournament ; this clearly suggests Serral was the best Zerg at that moment by a mile despite Zerg having problems to adapt. Also, online results would indicate Inno had recovered a decent shape in November, labeling him as "inferior player" is indeed laughable. HSC was played after the patch in which Serral ascended, the definition of patchzerg doesn't suit him at all.
Dark reached 2 fucking finals, stop pretending no other Zergs except Serral and once Reynor were lacking. Stop pretending there's only Serral when others where winning too.
Rogue wasn't a patch zerg and that shit he got wasn't justified at all. If you wanna insist on Rogue being patch zerg then Serral is patch zerg too as right after the patch hit and everybody got used to it he started losing games.
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On March 11 2019 20:18 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 19:15 Xain0n wrote:On March 11 2019 18:53 deacon.frost wrote:On March 11 2019 18:36 Xain0n wrote:On March 11 2019 17:31 sneakyfox wrote:On March 11 2019 17:24 Durnuu wrote:On March 11 2019 17:18 sneakyfox wrote:
Just joined this. Serral lost to Neeb, slump confirmed? Patchzerg confirmed? Truth hurts, but someone's got to say it. Brave statement, really I guess I shouldn't answer to this seriously; I would, nevertheless. It would be weird to call Serral a patchzerg as literally no other Zerg won a Premier tournament during his ascension; only Reynor reached the finals at Montreal. Technically speaking Rogue and Scarlett won IEM. While this was outside of Serrals road to glory it jsut shows how weak Zerg was. Rogue then reached Code S RO8 S2 and by many the Rogue v Maru was the best match of the play off(bad Zest finals included) Dark reached 2 finals - WESG, ST1 Both Dark & Solar got to RO4 ST2 and lost closely 3:2. On March 11 2019 18:36 Xain0n wrote:
Moreover, Serral won HSC against a sea of Terran while every zerg was struggling in the patch.
As for Serral's form, he wasn't flawless at IEM and has been ill last week; Neeb has probably the best PvZ if his opponent is not named Dark, seeing him defeat Serral is nothing out of ordinary.
However, if he just won with early pushes I'm very worried(I couldn't watch the games, I was sleeping); if we exclude specific matchups, Serral's main weakness is in the midgame before remax as he is very hard to cheese and has extremely good lategame(ZvT may or may not be an exception). He won HSC against weak Terrans. At that time the best Terrans were Maru & TY, then small space, GumiHo and after these 3 huge space and Innovation. Innovation was the underdog in their HSC tournament based on his results from 2018. You can't seriously talk about his HSC and Terran results when Serral was in form while he played inferiour players. On March 11 2019 18:42 Charoisaur wrote:
not sure why people are surprised by Neeb beating Serral. Neeb is probably the most underrated player in the world currently. He plays extremely well since a while but nobody cares because everyone is busy hyping up Serral. Most people have probably already forgotten he made the GSL ro4... I don't think he's as underrated as Classic was, is and will be. They called him PATCHZerg, Dark and Scarlett victories happened not only before Serral's glory road, but in the previous patch. Ro8 and ro4 in Code S? That barely justifies the viability of one race, definitely doesn't make it seem too good unless you think korean zerg are worse players than their protoss and terran equivalents, Dark was the only top korean zerg not present at HSC; this translated into Solar having the best placement out of them not going further than Winner's bracket round 1. On the other hand, the top two(three?) Twere missing and magically the top four only had Terran players except for Serral winning the tournament ; this clearly suggests Serral was the best Zerg at that moment by a mile despite Zerg having problems to adapt. Also, online results would indicate Inno had recovered a decent shape in November, labeling him as "inferior player" is indeed laughable. HSC was played after the patch in which Serral ascended, the definition of patchzerg doesn't suit him at all. Dark reached 2 fucking finals, stop pretending no other Zergs except Serral and once Reynor were lacking. Stop pretending there's only Serral when others where winning too. Rogue wasn't a patch zerg and that shit he got wasn't justified at all. If you wanna insist on Rogue being patch zerg then Serral is patch zerg too as right after the patch hit and everybody got used to it he started losing games.
I feel that the patch-zerg insult is more of a meme, at least lately, like there was that big featured TL article, the history of patch-zergs or something along those lines.
After that whenever i read it I assume it's either just misguided or intentionally tongue-and-cheek comment.
Gotta dig up that article again
On March 11 2019 19:54 sneakyfox wrote:Serral-Showtime deathmatch coming up! (if showtime beats MaSa) Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 19:53 Geo.Rion wrote:
Also Serral 2-0d Harstem, so that bodes well for him. I think he still can get knocked out if he loses to Showtime, and the rest of the games break a certain way. No need for them to break any which way, it's h2h tiebreaker so the winner moves on regardless.
It's only h2h if it's a two way tie, if it s a 3 way tie, than it's mapscore first.
Two-player tie: head-to-head result;
Three-player tie: map score, match score among tied players, map score among tied players, bo1 tie-breakers (in that order).
So if Serral loses 2-1 to Showtime, but Harstem loses to Neeb then they're all 3-2, and Serral would have the best mapscore at that point, 7-4
Furthermore, if Harstem beats Neeb then Showtime cannot advance, Serral needs the win then and it's head to head between Harstem and Serral, and Serral advances.
EDIT: this last sentence was technically incorrect, since then it would be 3 way tie with Neeb-Harsten-Serral, and yet again mapscore decides, and Harstem would be knocked out. So, same result, as mentioned above, different procedure
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Which games are on right now?
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On March 11 2019 20:39 Harris1st wrote:
Which games are on right now?
elazer vs dark on wesg twitch stream
idk what's not being streamed righ tnow
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nice elazer, representing europe well.  sick game
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Wow upgrades are really good
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On March 11 2019 20:18 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 19:15 Xain0n wrote:On March 11 2019 18:53 deacon.frost wrote:On March 11 2019 18:36 Xain0n wrote:On March 11 2019 17:31 sneakyfox wrote:On March 11 2019 17:24 Durnuu wrote:On March 11 2019 17:18 sneakyfox wrote:
Just joined this. Serral lost to Neeb, slump confirmed? Patchzerg confirmed? Truth hurts, but someone's got to say it. Brave statement, really I guess I shouldn't answer to this seriously; I would, nevertheless. It would be weird to call Serral a patchzerg as literally no other Zerg won a Premier tournament during his ascension; only Reynor reached the finals at Montreal. Technically speaking Rogue and Scarlett won IEM. While this was outside of Serrals road to glory it jsut shows how weak Zerg was. Rogue then reached Code S RO8 S2 and by many the Rogue v Maru was the best match of the play off(bad Zest finals included) Dark reached 2 finals - WESG, ST1 Both Dark & Solar got to RO4 ST2 and lost closely 3:2. On March 11 2019 18:36 Xain0n wrote:
Moreover, Serral won HSC against a sea of Terran while every zerg was struggling in the patch.
As for Serral's form, he wasn't flawless at IEM and has been ill last week; Neeb has probably the best PvZ if his opponent is not named Dark, seeing him defeat Serral is nothing out of ordinary.
However, if he just won with early pushes I'm very worried(I couldn't watch the games, I was sleeping); if we exclude specific matchups, Serral's main weakness is in the midgame before remax as he is very hard to cheese and has extremely good lategame(ZvT may or may not be an exception). He won HSC against weak Terrans. At that time the best Terrans were Maru & TY, then small space, GumiHo and after these 3 huge space and Innovation. Innovation was the underdog in their HSC tournament based on his results from 2018. You can't seriously talk about his HSC and Terran results when Serral was in form while he played inferiour players. On March 11 2019 18:42 Charoisaur wrote:
not sure why people are surprised by Neeb beating Serral. Neeb is probably the most underrated player in the world currently. He plays extremely well since a while but nobody cares because everyone is busy hyping up Serral. Most people have probably already forgotten he made the GSL ro4... I don't think he's as underrated as Classic was, is and will be. They called him PATCHZerg, Dark and Scarlett victories happened not only before Serral's glory road, but in the previous patch. Ro8 and ro4 in Code S? That barely justifies the viability of one race, definitely doesn't make it seem too good unless you think korean zerg are worse players than their protoss and terran equivalents, Dark was the only top korean zerg not present at HSC; this translated into Solar having the best placement out of them not going further than Winner's bracket round 1. On the other hand, the top two(three?) Twere missing and magically the top four only had Terran players except for Serral winning the tournament ; this clearly suggests Serral was the best Zerg at that moment by a mile despite Zerg having problems to adapt. Also, online results would indicate Inno had recovered a decent shape in November, labeling him as "inferior player" is indeed laughable. HSC was played after the patch in which Serral ascended, the definition of patchzerg doesn't suit him at all. Dark reached 2 fucking finals, stop pretending no other Zergs except Serral and once Reynor were lacking. Stop pretending there's only Serral when others where winning too. Rogue wasn't a patch zerg and that shit he got wasn't justified at all. If you wanna insist on Rogue being patch zerg then Serral is patch zerg too as right after the patch hit and everybody got used to it he started losing games.
Dark reached two finals in 4.2, whereas Serral started winning every tournament he entered after 4.3! No other Zerg(except for Reynor in Montreal) reached a single Premier final during that period until soO did last week; that's not "pretending", it's a fact. Zerg were surely competitive as a race but Serral reigned alone during his time of dominance.
I never said Rogue was a patchzerg, that's what someone else wrote; I do not agree with that definition. None of them was a patchzerg by any mean.
However, Zerg were surely making deeper runs at the time Rogue won BlizzCon since he beat soO in the finals.
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was neeb vs serral streamed?
if i look around can i find a vod for it?
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Rapid with the liquipedia shoutout, nice
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A nice laser, let's see what happens in g3.
Edit:Dark never loses against foreigners, gg.
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On March 11 2019 20:50 travis wrote:
was neeb vs serral streamed?
if i look around can i find a vod for it?
I honestly doubt it, i got up later and the main stream was barely working, no audio.
Someone else posted a summary tho
+ Show Spoiler +On March 11 2019 18:29 Tsubbi wrote:
game 1 was cannon rush which got neeb a decent lead and he closed it out easily
game 2 was dt archon harass, serral had spore at 99% in the 3rd when dts arrived and he mind game cancelled because he thought neeb was gonna morph archons after getting scouted so early, from there it spiraled out of control
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german will get the job done, thanks charoisaur
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EPT
