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On March 11 2019 18:54 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 18:43 Durnuu wrote:On March 11 2019 18:42 Charoisaur wrote: not sure why people are surprised by Neeb beating Serral. Neeb is probably the most underrated player in the world currently. He plays extremely well since a while but nobody cares because everyone is busy hyping up Serral. Most people have probably already forgotten he made the GSL ro4... Nobody cares because he plays protoss It's probably both. Foreigners and Protoss players are often underappreciated. the bias against protoss is sad
Yeah
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So guys give me the chances of Serral not getting out of this group
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Serral needs to win against everyone else aka Harstem now that he already beat MaSa. As long as he beat Harstem he will advance in 2nd place due to head to head result.
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On March 11 2019 18:30 RaFox17 wrote: That is what happens when you go only 70% Has. Reminds me of the immortal words of N0tail "When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you're done for!"
On March 11 2019 19:07 Toua wrote: So guys give me the chances of Serral not getting out of this group If he loses to Harstem he s out, if he beats Harstem but then loses to Showtime and Showtime beats everyone else, then i guess it's tiebreakers and mapscore decides?
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On March 11 2019 19:10 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 18:30 RaFox17 wrote: That is what happens when you go only 70% Has. Reminds me of the immortal words of N0tail "When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you're done for!"
He did go full has. Neeb played out of his mind
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On March 11 2019 19:12 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 19:10 Geo.Rion wrote:On March 11 2019 18:30 RaFox17 wrote: That is what happens when you go only 70% Has. Reminds me of the immortal words of N0tail "When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you're done for!" He did go full has. Neeb played out of his mind You think Has would have expanded?!?! Herecy!
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On March 11 2019 19:12 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 19:10 Geo.Rion wrote:On March 11 2019 18:30 RaFox17 wrote: That is what happens when you go only 70% Has. Reminds me of the immortal words of N0tail "When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you're done for!" He did go full has. Neeb played out of his mind Neah, he added assimilators and even a Nexus towards the end. Rookie mistakes
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On March 11 2019 18:53 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 18:36 Xain0n wrote:On March 11 2019 17:31 sneakyfox wrote:On March 11 2019 17:24 Durnuu wrote:On March 11 2019 17:18 sneakyfox wrote: Just joined this. Serral lost to Neeb, slump confirmed? Patchzerg confirmed? Truth hurts, but someone's got to say it. Brave statement, really I guess I shouldn't answer to this seriously; I would, nevertheless. It would be weird to call Serral a patchzerg as literally no other Zerg won a Premier tournament during his ascension; only Reynor reached the finals at Montreal. Technically speaking Rogue and Scarlett won IEM. While this was outside of Serrals road to glory it jsut shows how weak Zerg was. Rogue then reached Code S RO8 S2 and by many the Rogue v Maru was the best match of the play off(bad Zest finals included) Dark reached 2 finals - WESG, ST1 Both Dark & Solar got to RO4 ST2 and lost closely 3:2. Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 18:36 Xain0n wrote: Moreover, Serral won HSC against a sea of Terran while every zerg was struggling in the patch.
As for Serral's form, he wasn't flawless at IEM and has been ill last week; Neeb has probably the best PvZ if his opponent is not named Dark, seeing him defeat Serral is nothing out of ordinary. However, if he just won with early pushes I'm very worried(I couldn't watch the games, I was sleeping); if we exclude specific matchups, Serral's main weakness is in the midgame before remax as he is very hard to cheese and has extremely good lategame(ZvT may or may not be an exception). He won HSC against weak Terrans. At that time the best Terrans were Maru & TY, then small space, GumiHo and after these 3 huge space and Innovation. Innovation was the underdog in their HSC tournament based on his results from 2018. You can't seriously talk about his HSC and Terran results when Serral was in form while he played inferiour players. Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 18:42 Charoisaur wrote: not sure why people are surprised by Neeb beating Serral. Neeb is probably the most underrated player in the world currently. He plays extremely well since a while but nobody cares because everyone is busy hyping up Serral. Most people have probably already forgotten he made the GSL ro4... I don't think he's as underrated as Classic was, is and will be.
They called him PATCHZerg, Dark and Scarlett victories happened not only before Serral's glory road, but in the previous patch. Ro8 and ro4 in Code S? That barely justifies the viability of one race, definitely doesn't make it seem too good unless you think korean zerg are worse players than their protoss and terran equivalents,
Dark was the only top korean zerg not present at HSC; this translated into Solar having the best placement out of them not going further than Winner's bracket round 1. On the other hand, the top two(three?) Twere missing and magically the top four only had Terran players except for Serral winning the tournament ; this clearly suggests Serral was the best Zerg at that moment by a mile despite Zerg having problems to adapt. Also, online results would indicate Inno had recovered a decent shape in November, labeling him as "inferior player" is indeed laughable.
HSC was played after the patch in which Serral ascended, the definition of patchzerg doesn't suit him at all.
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What are you guys talking about lol
Has has been seen expanding when his cheese is failing
Exhibit A
www.youtube.com
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On March 11 2019 19:18 BerserkSword wrote: What are you guys talking about lol
Has has been seen expanding when his cheese is failing Cheese will go on. We are basically joking around
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On March 11 2019 19:18 BerserkSword wrote:What are you guys talking about lol Has has been seen expanding when his cheese is failing Exhibit A www.youtube.com Speaking for myself, im just joking/ teasing
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oh....ignore that then lol
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masa ???? eliminated ??? the jetlagged is strong witth this one
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Given the map score, there is potential for Neeb, Serral, and Harstem to tie with one or the other (though not Neeb and Harstem. If Serral wins the rest of his games, then he ends with 8-2/3/4. If Neeb wins his remaining games, then he goes out in first, of course. But if he loses to Harstem, Neeb ends with 8/9-3. If Harstem wins the rest of his games, he of course, goes out first. But if he loses against Serral and wins against Neeb, the map score would be 8/9-4/5. In this calculation, I assume msrm wins no maps against Neeb.
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Wesg groups are still h2h > map score lol. They really don't care about making a good format
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On March 11 2019 19:29 Fango wrote: Wesg groups are still h2h > map score lol. They really don't care about making a good format
I prefer h2h to be honest.
Map score shouldnt matter as much, since the Best of X format is based around winning series' not individual games. and Tie breakers being governed by H2H is pretty much standard format in most competitions
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On March 11 2019 19:29 Fango wrote: Wesg groups are still h2h > map score lol. They really don't care about making a good format Ok, but what if Serral > Harstem > Neeb > Serral?
On March 11 2019 19:32 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 19:29 Fango wrote: Wesg groups are still h2h > map score lol. They really don't care about making a good format I prefer h2h to be honest. Map score shouldnt matter as much, since the Best of X format is based around winning series' not individual games. and Tie breakers being governed by H2H is pretty much standard format in most competitions
Map score is superior because it tells how well you won a series. Also, it prevents frustrating situations like where Impact went evenly against his opponents in wins but still went out. TB got very mad over this situation.
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Will this finally be the #yearofharstem?
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Who to cheer for now? I hate Toss, but I love seeing Serral fanboys cry...
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On March 11 2019 19:32 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 19:29 Fango wrote: Wesg groups are still h2h > map score lol. They really don't care about making a good format Ok, but what if Serral > Harstem > Neeb > Serral? I believe if it's a three way tie in h2h, they use map score, then map score specifically among the tied players.
Which could still be equal in which case some sort of tiebreakers match would be usual
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