• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 01:09
CET 07:09
KST 15:09
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book15Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14
Community News
ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0220LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)26Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker10PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)14
StarCraft 2
General
How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker Terran Scanner Sweep Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) RSL Season 4 announced for March-April RSL Revival: Season 4 Korea Qualifier (Feb 14) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth Mutation # 510 Safety Violation
Brood War
General
Which units you wish saw more use in the game? ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02 StarCraft player reflex TE scores [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Gypsy to Korea
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo 2 thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ADHD And Gaming Addiction…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2184 users

WESG 2018 Grand Final - Group Stage Day 1 - Page 10

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 19 Next All
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
March 11 2019 09:55 GMT
#181
On March 11 2019 18:54 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2019 18:43 Durnuu wrote:
On March 11 2019 18:42 Charoisaur wrote:
not sure why people are surprised by Neeb beating Serral. Neeb is probably the most underrated player in the world currently. He plays extremely well since a while but nobody cares because everyone is busy hyping up Serral. Most people have probably already forgotten he made the GSL ro4...

Nobody cares because he plays protoss


It's probably both.

Foreigners and Protoss players are often underappreciated.

the bias against protoss is sad


Yeah
Toua
Profile Joined February 2017
Denmark318 Posts
March 11 2019 10:07 GMT
#182
So guys give me the chances of Serral not getting out of this group
Stats, Dark, Maru <3
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
March 11 2019 10:10 GMT
#183
Serral needs to win against everyone else aka Harstem now that he already beat MaSa. As long as he beat Harstem he will advance in 2nd place due to head to head result.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-11 10:11:56
March 11 2019 10:10 GMT
#184
On March 11 2019 18:30 RaFox17 wrote:
That is what happens when you go only 70% Has.

Reminds me of the immortal words of N0tail
"When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you're done for!"
On March 11 2019 19:07 Toua wrote:
So guys give me the chances of Serral not getting out of this group

If he loses to Harstem he s out, if he beats Harstem but then loses to Showtime and Showtime beats everyone else, then i guess it's tiebreakers and mapscore decides?
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
March 11 2019 10:12 GMT
#185
On March 11 2019 19:10 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2019 18:30 RaFox17 wrote:
That is what happens when you go only 70% Has.

Reminds me of the immortal words of N0tail
"When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you're done for!"


He did go full has. Neeb played out of his mind
TL+ Member
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
March 11 2019 10:13 GMT
#186
On March 11 2019 19:12 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2019 19:10 Geo.Rion wrote:
On March 11 2019 18:30 RaFox17 wrote:
That is what happens when you go only 70% Has.

Reminds me of the immortal words of N0tail
"When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you're done for!"


He did go full has. Neeb played out of his mind

You think Has would have expanded?!?! Herecy!
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
March 11 2019 10:13 GMT
#187
On March 11 2019 19:12 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2019 19:10 Geo.Rion wrote:
On March 11 2019 18:30 RaFox17 wrote:
That is what happens when you go only 70% Has.

Reminds me of the immortal words of N0tail
"When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you're done for!"


He did go full has. Neeb played out of his mind

Neah, he added assimilators and even a Nexus towards the end.
Rookie mistakes
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
March 11 2019 10:15 GMT
#188
On March 11 2019 18:53 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2019 18:36 Xain0n wrote:
On March 11 2019 17:31 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 11 2019 17:24 Durnuu wrote:
On March 11 2019 17:18 sneakyfox wrote:
Just joined this. Serral lost to Neeb, slump confirmed?

Patchzerg confirmed?


Truth hurts, but someone's got to say it. Brave statement, really


I guess I shouldn't answer to this seriously; I would, nevertheless.

It would be weird to call Serral a patchzerg as literally no other Zerg won a Premier tournament during his ascension; only Reynor reached the finals at Montreal.

Technically speaking Rogue and Scarlett won IEM. While this was outside of Serrals road to glory it jsut shows how weak Zerg was. Rogue then reached Code S RO8 S2 and by many the Rogue v Maru was the best match of the play off(bad Zest finals included)
Dark reached 2 finals - WESG, ST1
Both Dark & Solar got to RO4 ST2 and lost closely 3:2.

Show nested quote +
On March 11 2019 18:36 Xain0n wrote:
Moreover, Serral won HSC against a sea of Terran while every zerg was struggling in the patch.

As for Serral's form, he wasn't flawless at IEM and has been ill last week; Neeb has probably the best PvZ if his opponent is not named Dark, seeing him defeat Serral is nothing out of ordinary.
However, if he just won with early pushes I'm very worried(I couldn't watch the games, I was sleeping); if we exclude specific matchups, Serral's main weakness is in the midgame before remax as he is very hard to cheese and has extremely good lategame(ZvT may or may not be an exception).

He won HSC against weak Terrans. At that time the best Terrans were Maru & TY, then small space, GumiHo and after these 3 huge space and Innovation. Innovation was the underdog in their HSC tournament based on his results from 2018. You can't seriously talk about his HSC and Terran results when Serral was in form while he played inferiour players.

Show nested quote +
On March 11 2019 18:42 Charoisaur wrote:
not sure why people are surprised by Neeb beating Serral. Neeb is probably the most underrated player in the world currently. He plays extremely well since a while but nobody cares because everyone is busy hyping up Serral. Most people have probably already forgotten he made the GSL ro4...

I don't think he's as underrated as Classic was, is and will be.


They called him PATCHZerg, Dark and Scarlett victories happened not only before Serral's glory road, but in the previous patch.
Ro8 and ro4 in Code S? That barely justifies the viability of one race, definitely doesn't make it seem too good unless you think korean zerg are worse players than their protoss and terran equivalents,

Dark was the only top korean zerg not present at HSC; this translated into Solar having the best placement out of them not going further than Winner's bracket round 1. On the other hand, the top two(three?) Twere missing and magically the top four only had Terran players except for Serral winning the tournament ; this clearly suggests Serral was the best Zerg at that moment by a mile despite Zerg having problems to adapt.
Also, online results would indicate Inno had recovered a decent shape in November, labeling him as "inferior player" is indeed laughable.

HSC was played after the patch in which Serral ascended, the definition of patchzerg doesn't suit him at all.
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-11 10:19:48
March 11 2019 10:18 GMT
#189
What are you guys talking about lol

Has has been seen expanding when his cheese is failing

Exhibit A

www.youtube.com
TL+ Member
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
March 11 2019 10:20 GMT
#190
On March 11 2019 19:18 BerserkSword wrote:
What are you guys talking about lol

Has has been seen expanding when his cheese is failing

Cheese will go on. We are basically joking around
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
March 11 2019 10:20 GMT
#191
On March 11 2019 19:18 BerserkSword wrote:
What are you guys talking about lol

Has has been seen expanding when his cheese is failing

Exhibit A

www.youtube.com

Speaking for myself, im just joking/ teasing
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
March 11 2019 10:21 GMT
#192
oh....ignore that then lol
TL+ Member
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
March 11 2019 10:26 GMT
#193
masa ???? eliminated ??? the jetlagged is strong witth this one
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-11 10:32:08
March 11 2019 10:28 GMT
#194
Given the map score, there is potential for Neeb, Serral, and Harstem to tie with one or the other (though not Neeb and Harstem. If Serral wins the rest of his games, then he ends with 8-2/3/4. If Neeb wins his remaining games, then he goes out in first, of course. But if he loses to Harstem, Neeb ends with 8/9-3. If Harstem wins the rest of his games, he of course, goes out first. But if he loses against Serral and wins against Neeb, the map score would be 8/9-4/5. In this calculation, I assume msrm wins no maps against Neeb.
"Keep Moving Forward" - Walt Disney
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-11 10:30:10
March 11 2019 10:29 GMT
#195
Wesg groups are still h2h > map score lol. They really don't care about making a good format
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
March 11 2019 10:32 GMT
#196
On March 11 2019 19:29 Fango wrote:
Wesg groups are still h2h > map score lol. They really don't care about making a good format


I prefer h2h to be honest.

Map score shouldnt matter as much, since the Best of X format is based around winning series' not individual games. and Tie breakers being governed by H2H is pretty much standard format in most competitions
TL+ Member
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-11 10:35:53
March 11 2019 10:32 GMT
#197
On March 11 2019 19:29 Fango wrote:
Wesg groups are still h2h > map score lol. They really don't care about making a good format

Ok, but what if Serral > Harstem > Neeb > Serral?

On March 11 2019 19:32 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2019 19:29 Fango wrote:
Wesg groups are still h2h > map score lol. They really don't care about making a good format


I prefer h2h to be honest.

Map score shouldnt matter as much, since the Best of X format is based around winning series' not individual games. and Tie breakers being governed by H2H is pretty much standard format in most competitions


Map score is superior because it tells how well you won a series. Also, it prevents frustrating situations like where Impact went evenly against his opponents in wins but still went out. TB got very mad over this situation.
"Keep Moving Forward" - Walt Disney
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-11 10:34:58
March 11 2019 10:34 GMT
#198
Will this finally be the #yearofharstem?
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
TrashPanda
Profile Joined July 2018
69 Posts
March 11 2019 10:35 GMT
#199
Who to cheer for now? I hate Toss, but I love seeing Serral fanboys cry...
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 11 2019 10:35 GMT
#200
On March 11 2019 19:32 FrkFrJss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2019 19:29 Fango wrote:
Wesg groups are still h2h > map score lol. They really don't care about making a good format

Ok, but what if Serral > Harstem > Neeb > Serral?

I believe if it's a three way tie in h2h, they use map score, then map score specifically among the tied players.

Which could still be equal in which case some sort of tiebreakers match would be usual
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 19 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
HomeStory Cup 28 - Group C
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft657
Nina 119
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 4360
Leta 127
JulyZerg 72
910 56
ZergMaN 28
Noble 25
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm147
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 858
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King261
Other Games
summit1g17011
RuFF_SC2100
Moletrap7
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1078
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Sammyuel 5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Diggity3
• iopq 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1197
• Stunt524
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3h 51m
LiuLi Cup
4h 51m
Maru vs Reynor
Serral vs Rogue
Ladder Legends
11h 51m
Replay Cast
17h 51m
Replay Cast
1d 2h
Wardi Open
1d 5h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 10h
OSC
1d 17h
WardiTV Winter Champion…
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Winter Champion…
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
PiG Sty Festival
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
PiG Sty Festival
5 days
Epic.LAN
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
PiG Sty Festival
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Epic.LAN
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-14
Rongyi Cup S3
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.