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On April 28 2018 21:28 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2018 16:28 pvsnp wrote:On April 28 2018 16:26 Ej_ wrote:On April 28 2018 16:25 pvsnp wrote:On April 28 2018 16:25 Phredxor wrote:On April 28 2018 16:24 HolydaKing wrote:On April 28 2018 16:16 Phredxor wrote:On April 28 2018 16:16 HolydaKing wrote:On April 28 2018 16:15 Phredxor wrote:
Sortof about to be in the GSL RO16. Truly we have reached the pinnacle of SC2. Unfortunately he still needs to win one map. Other two foreigners lost this last match 1-2... Yeah but he plays Zerg and he's playing against Zest. Lock it in. 1-1 now.  I sense dejavu. Sortof just needs to ling flood. Literally never fails. From the way people are complaining, Nydus literally never fails. Zest won vs the nydus build twice this week, out of 2. But the forums told me that Nydus wins 100% of the time, the Zerg just drops it right by the robo and instawins The 100% winrate was actually true until recently though. The entire time since 4.0 I was asking people to show me a game where nydus fails and no one did.
empirically proven, boom
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Wasn't SortOf a bit chubby before? DAMN hes looking fine rn
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On April 28 2018 16:42 Ej_ wrote:
The denim GSL will go down in history as the worst incident since Alicia's make up.
Oh, I forgot about the Alicia make up incident...
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On April 28 2018 21:43 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2018 21:28 Fango wrote:On April 28 2018 16:28 pvsnp wrote:On April 28 2018 16:26 Ej_ wrote:On April 28 2018 16:25 pvsnp wrote:On April 28 2018 16:25 Phredxor wrote:On April 28 2018 16:24 HolydaKing wrote:On April 28 2018 16:16 Phredxor wrote:On April 28 2018 16:16 HolydaKing wrote:On April 28 2018 16:15 Phredxor wrote:
Sortof about to be in the GSL RO16. Truly we have reached the pinnacle of SC2. Unfortunately he still needs to win one map. Other two foreigners lost this last match 1-2... Yeah but he plays Zerg and he's playing against Zest. Lock it in. 1-1 now. I sense dejavu. Sortof just needs to ling flood. Literally never fails. From the way people are complaining, Nydus literally never fails. Zest won vs the nydus build twice this week, out of 2. But the forums told me that Nydus wins 100% of the time, the Zerg just drops it right by the robo and instawins The 100% winrate was actually true until recently though. The entire time since 4.0 I was asking people to show me a game where nydus fails and no one did. empirically proven, boom
Is it not? A single pro game where someone held it would have disproven my point yet not one nerd on TL or Reddit could show me one 
It's bizarre now a build could literally never lose in a pro game and people still argued that it was fine. Do you assume it lost only when no one's watching?
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Nydus stupidity aside wtf happened to aLive? He's been looking shaky recently but that was just disappointing :/
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France12886 Posts
On April 28 2018 23:01 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2018 21:43 Ej_ wrote:On April 28 2018 21:28 Fango wrote:On April 28 2018 16:28 pvsnp wrote:On April 28 2018 16:26 Ej_ wrote:On April 28 2018 16:25 pvsnp wrote:On April 28 2018 16:25 Phredxor wrote:On April 28 2018 16:24 HolydaKing wrote:On April 28 2018 16:16 Phredxor wrote:On April 28 2018 16:16 HolydaKing wrote:
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Unfortunately he still needs to win one map. Other two foreigners lost this last match 1-2... Yeah but he plays Zerg and he's playing against Zest. Lock it in. 1-1 now. I sense dejavu. Sortof just needs to ling flood. Literally never fails. From the way people are complaining, Nydus literally never fails. Zest won vs the nydus build twice this week, out of 2. But the forums told me that Nydus wins 100% of the time, the Zerg just drops it right by the robo and instawins The 100% winrate was actually true until recently though. The entire time since 4.0 I was asking people to show me a game where nydus fails and no one did. empirically proven, boom Is it not? A single pro game where someone held it would have disproven my point yet not one nerd on TL or Reddit could show me one It's bizarre now a build could literally never lose in a pro game and people still argued that it was fine. Do you assume it lost only when no one's watching?
I don’t care much about the build (if it’s too strong or whatever), but the win rate of the build isn’t the whole story.
If it isn’t played that much in spite of a good win rate that means that the conditions don’t always favor such a build.
Therefore, its win rate doesn’t mean that much.
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On April 28 2018 23:01 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2018 21:43 Ej_ wrote:On April 28 2018 21:28 Fango wrote:On April 28 2018 16:28 pvsnp wrote:On April 28 2018 16:26 Ej_ wrote:On April 28 2018 16:25 pvsnp wrote:On April 28 2018 16:25 Phredxor wrote:On April 28 2018 16:24 HolydaKing wrote:On April 28 2018 16:16 Phredxor wrote:On April 28 2018 16:16 HolydaKing wrote:
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Unfortunately he still needs to win one map. Other two foreigners lost this last match 1-2... Yeah but he plays Zerg and he's playing against Zest. Lock it in. 1-1 now. I sense dejavu. Sortof just needs to ling flood. Literally never fails. From the way people are complaining, Nydus literally never fails. Zest won vs the nydus build twice this week, out of 2. But the forums told me that Nydus wins 100% of the time, the Zerg just drops it right by the robo and instawins The 100% winrate was actually true until recently though. The entire time since 4.0 I was asking people to show me a game where nydus fails and no one did. empirically proven, boom Is it not? A single pro game where someone held it would have disproven my point yet not one nerd on TL or Reddit could show me one It's bizarre now a build could literally never lose in a pro game and people still argued that it was fine. Do you assume it lost only when no one's watching?
Zest held it vs Ragnarok in olimoleague
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On April 28 2018 23:01 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2018 21:43 Ej_ wrote:On April 28 2018 21:28 Fango wrote:On April 28 2018 16:28 pvsnp wrote:On April 28 2018 16:26 Ej_ wrote:On April 28 2018 16:25 pvsnp wrote:On April 28 2018 16:25 Phredxor wrote:On April 28 2018 16:24 HolydaKing wrote:On April 28 2018 16:16 Phredxor wrote:On April 28 2018 16:16 HolydaKing wrote:
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Unfortunately he still needs to win one map. Other two foreigners lost this last match 1-2... Yeah but he plays Zerg and he's playing against Zest. Lock it in. 1-1 now. I sense dejavu. Sortof just needs to ling flood. Literally never fails. From the way people are complaining, Nydus literally never fails. Zest won vs the nydus build twice this week, out of 2. But the forums told me that Nydus wins 100% of the time, the Zerg just drops it right by the robo and instawins The 100% winrate was actually true until recently though. The entire time since 4.0 I was asking people to show me a game where nydus fails and no one did. empirically proven, boom Is it not? A single pro game where someone held it would have disproven my point yet not one nerd on TL or Reddit could show me one It's bizarre now a build could literally never lose in a pro game and people still argued that it was fine. Do you assume it lost only when no one's watching?
Show me a pro game where a Terran gets more than 10 ghosts and loses vs. a Zerg (barring any sort of inherent disadvantage, like failed proxy rax). Same question, pretty much.
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
Was any of this recommended?
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On April 29 2018 06:23 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2018 23:01 Fango wrote:On April 28 2018 21:43 Ej_ wrote:On April 28 2018 21:28 Fango wrote:On April 28 2018 16:28 pvsnp wrote:On April 28 2018 16:26 Ej_ wrote:On April 28 2018 16:25 pvsnp wrote:On April 28 2018 16:25 Phredxor wrote:On April 28 2018 16:24 HolydaKing wrote:On April 28 2018 16:16 Phredxor wrote:
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Yeah but he plays Zerg and he's playing against Zest. Lock it in. 1-1 now. I sense dejavu. Sortof just needs to ling flood. Literally never fails. From the way people are complaining, Nydus literally never fails. Zest won vs the nydus build twice this week, out of 2. But the forums told me that Nydus wins 100% of the time, the Zerg just drops it right by the robo and instawins The 100% winrate was actually true until recently though. The entire time since 4.0 I was asking people to show me a game where nydus fails and no one did. empirically proven, boom Is it not? A single pro game where someone held it would have disproven my point yet not one nerd on TL or Reddit could show me one It's bizarre now a build could literally never lose in a pro game and people still argued that it was fine. Do you assume it lost only when no one's watching? Show me a pro game where a Terran gets more than 10 ghosts and loses vs. a Zerg (barring any sort of inherent disadvantage, like failed proxy rax). Same question, pretty much.
Maru Dark on Backwater at WESG.
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On April 28 2018 23:01 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2018 21:43 Ej_ wrote:On April 28 2018 21:28 Fango wrote:On April 28 2018 16:28 pvsnp wrote:On April 28 2018 16:26 Ej_ wrote:On April 28 2018 16:25 pvsnp wrote:On April 28 2018 16:25 Phredxor wrote:On April 28 2018 16:24 HolydaKing wrote:On April 28 2018 16:16 Phredxor wrote:On April 28 2018 16:16 HolydaKing wrote:
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Unfortunately he still needs to win one map. Other two foreigners lost this last match 1-2... Yeah but he plays Zerg and he's playing against Zest. Lock it in. 1-1 now. I sense dejavu. Sortof just needs to ling flood. Literally never fails. From the way people are complaining, Nydus literally never fails. Zest won vs the nydus build twice this week, out of 2. But the forums told me that Nydus wins 100% of the time, the Zerg just drops it right by the robo and instawins The 100% winrate was actually true until recently though. The entire time since 4.0 I was asking people to show me a game where nydus fails and no one did. empirically proven, boom Is it not? A single pro game where someone held it would have disproven my point yet not one nerd on TL or Reddit could show me one It's bizarre now a build could literally never lose in a pro game and people still argued that it was fine. Do you assume it lost only when no one's watching?
you are right, the build was impossible to beat up until 2 weeks ago when it started losing out of the blue. Obviously ninja patched.
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On April 29 2018 23:24 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2018 06:23 mierin wrote:On April 28 2018 23:01 Fango wrote:On April 28 2018 21:43 Ej_ wrote:On April 28 2018 21:28 Fango wrote:On April 28 2018 16:28 pvsnp wrote:On April 28 2018 16:26 Ej_ wrote:On April 28 2018 16:25 pvsnp wrote:On April 28 2018 16:25 Phredxor wrote:On April 28 2018 16:24 HolydaKing wrote:[quote] 1-1 now. I sense dejavu. Sortof just needs to ling flood. Literally never fails. From the way people are complaining, Nydus literally never fails. Zest won vs the nydus build twice this week, out of 2. But the forums told me that Nydus wins 100% of the time, the Zerg just drops it right by the robo and instawins The 100% winrate was actually true until recently though. The entire time since 4.0 I was asking people to show me a game where nydus fails and no one did. empirically proven, boom Is it not? A single pro game where someone held it would have disproven my point yet not one nerd on TL or Reddit could show me one It's bizarre now a build could literally never lose in a pro game and people still argued that it was fine. Do you assume it lost only when no one's watching? Show me a pro game where a Terran gets more than 10 ghosts and loses vs. a Zerg (barring any sort of inherent disadvantage, like failed proxy rax). Same question, pretty much. Maru Dark on Backwater at WESG.
barring any sort of inherent disadvantage, like failed proxy rax
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On April 30 2018 01:23 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2018 23:24 Boggyb wrote:On April 29 2018 06:23 mierin wrote:On April 28 2018 23:01 Fango wrote:On April 28 2018 21:43 Ej_ wrote:On April 28 2018 21:28 Fango wrote:On April 28 2018 16:28 pvsnp wrote:On April 28 2018 16:26 Ej_ wrote:On April 28 2018 16:25 pvsnp wrote:On April 28 2018 16:25 Phredxor wrote:
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Sortof just needs to ling flood. Literally never fails. From the way people are complaining, Nydus literally never fails. Zest won vs the nydus build twice this week, out of 2. But the forums told me that Nydus wins 100% of the time, the Zerg just drops it right by the robo and instawins The 100% winrate was actually true until recently though. The entire time since 4.0 I was asking people to show me a game where nydus fails and no one did. empirically proven, boom Is it not? A single pro game where someone held it would have disproven my point yet not one nerd on TL or Reddit could show me one It's bizarre now a build could literally never lose in a pro game and people still argued that it was fine. Do you assume it lost only when no one's watching? Show me a pro game where a Terran gets more than 10 ghosts and loses vs. a Zerg (barring any sort of inherent disadvantage, like failed proxy rax). Same question, pretty much. Maru Dark on Backwater at WESG.
So any sort of inherent disadvantage excludes any game in which the Terran player hasn't significantly outplayed the Zerg until ghosts/ravens (being even or down 1 base that late in the game requires the Terran player playing like a god)?
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Show me a game where Zerg gets up to Broodlord Viper and loses vs a Terran barring any sort of inherent disadvantage.
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On April 30 2018 01:48 Charoisaur wrote:
Show me a game where Zerg gets up to Broodlord Viper and loses vs a Terran barring any sort of inherent disadvantage.
literally every single game maru plays
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On April 30 2018 02:09 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2018 01:48 Charoisaur wrote:
Show me a game where Zerg gets up to Broodlord Viper and loses vs a Terran barring any sort of inherent disadvantage. literally every single game maru plays
In most Maru games that go that late, he's secured himself an economy that Terran is not supposed to be able to get. That puts the Zerg at an inherent disadvantage, so they don't count.
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On April 30 2018 02:09 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2018 01:48 Charoisaur wrote:
Show me a game where Zerg gets up to Broodlord Viper and loses vs a Terran barring any sort of inherent disadvantage. literally every single game maru plays
I could argue that in every game he wins late he secured himself an advantage earlier in the game and thus the games don't count.
Same argumentation for why the games where Zerg won late apparently don't count.
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oh ok so then you guys are saying that if the zerg is already winning the game, then they probably win
not sure what your point is
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On April 30 2018 01:34 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2018 01:23 Ej_ wrote:On April 29 2018 23:24 Boggyb wrote:On April 29 2018 06:23 mierin wrote:On April 28 2018 23:01 Fango wrote:On April 28 2018 21:43 Ej_ wrote:On April 28 2018 21:28 Fango wrote:On April 28 2018 16:28 pvsnp wrote:On April 28 2018 16:26 Ej_ wrote:On April 28 2018 16:25 pvsnp wrote:
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From the way people are complaining, Nydus literally never fails. Zest won vs the nydus build twice this week, out of 2. But the forums told me that Nydus wins 100% of the time, the Zerg just drops it right by the robo and instawins The 100% winrate was actually true until recently though. The entire time since 4.0 I was asking people to show me a game where nydus fails and no one did. empirically proven, boom Is it not? A single pro game where someone held it would have disproven my point yet not one nerd on TL or Reddit could show me one It's bizarre now a build could literally never lose in a pro game and people still argued that it was fine. Do you assume it lost only when no one's watching? Show me a pro game where a Terran gets more than 10 ghosts and loses vs. a Zerg (barring any sort of inherent disadvantage, like failed proxy rax). Same question, pretty much. Maru Dark on Backwater at WESG. barring any sort of inherent disadvantage, like failed proxy rax So any sort of inherent disadvantage excludes any game in which the Terran player hasn't significantly outplayed the Zerg until ghosts/ravens (being even or down 1 base that late in the game requires the Terran player playing like a god)?
not necessarily, but it certainly excludes games where Terran dies to ravager bust and then drags their corpse for next 15 minutes, if you catch my drift
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