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Pandemona
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DieuCure
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Pandain
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Group One Favorites Maru, Stats, TY Chance of Upsets Not likely. Ryung. Seems pretty clear cut, I would be shocked if any of them lose in a bo3 twice. Any upset potential is likely to come from Ryung, who has historically strong TvT and every now and then pulls out A-level games. Group Two Favorites Serral, Scarlett, Solar Chance of Upsets Not likely. Leenock? Serral, Scarlett, Solar. And if there's any upset it'll probably be from Leenock, so this just seems like a very zerg strong group. Group Three Favorites Special, Zest, Snute Chance of Upsets Very likely A ton of very strong foreigners and B level Koreans, as well as "favorites" who can be prone to choking and playing below their peak level? With a good day, any of HeroMarine, Billowy, Kelazhur, Namshar, Lambo, and Bunny could make it out. This will be a fun group. Group Four Favorites Neeb, soO, Trap Chance of Upsets Very possible While I would say Neeb and soO always make it out, the last place is going to be a brutal battle between Cure, TLO, Trap, Patience, Losira, Harstem, and SortOf. I would favor Losira and Trap. I also always loved Cure back in the day, but I don't think he's doing good nowadays? | ||
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Penev
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pls don't take out of context :o | ||
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Pandemona
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That's assuming TY has learnt how to play Sc2 again after his bad GSL performance and can beat Ryung as well xD | ||
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Aeromi
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On February 26 2018 18:31 Waxangel wrote: What are the side-streams casting? English one or community streams? | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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Pandemona
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TheDougler
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LDaVinci
France130 Posts
Bracket 1 : Stats for sure, then Maru TY DNS or Bly could make it. it''s only BO3, anything could happen. Hell even Stephano could managed with a bit of bracket luck Bracket 2 : Serral and Scarlett are easy foreigners choice, but Leenock, Solarand Creator will definitely try to get there spots. Mana True and even Guru could upset some games and stop them Bracket 3 : Zest Special and Kelazhur would be my choice but Snute and Bunny are tough opponent and NoRegret showed he too can upset manage to play top level games Bracket 4 : soO Neeb Trap. But Losira, Patience are here and Harstem and TLO can still take them out. B3 seems to be the "easiest" but definitely not the least stacked. Awesome brackets ! | ||
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Phredxor
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TheDougler
Canada8302 Posts
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Charoisaur
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jarodtou
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On February 26 2018 18:30 Pandemona wrote: He would have to lose vs stats to get a chance to even play TvT vs i assume Ryung though. But yeah i think that would be how he loses his chance at group stage, by losing to Stats and then to Ryung in a TvT That's assuming TY has learnt how to play Sc2 again after his bad GSL performance and can beat Ryung as well xD TY showed us the best games of the season, i dont understand how you can say he was playing badly | ||
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Haku
Germany550 Posts
Holy fuck the whole scene was so disgusting. Whos this? | ||
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DieuCure
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Musicus
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Well not like he needed it  2-0 | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On February 26 2018 19:24 Pandemona wrote: Maru doesn't want his 3rd base again. Well not like he needed it 2-0Typical Maru scared to play macro against Jacko, | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On February 26 2018 19:28 D-light wrote: Typical Maru scared to play macro against Jacko, Yeah, clearly he has done his homework! DNS crushing through Stephano in game 1! | ||
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Musicus
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DieuCure
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Pandemona
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Haku
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iserb
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Also interested why in live events module a pirate broadcast is shown... | ||
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Musicus
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On February 26 2018 19:48 iserb wrote: Russian official stream link is wrong. It is not Starladder, it is RuHub and link is https://www.twitch.tv/sc2ruhub. Also interested why in live events module a pirate broadcast is shown... Wasn't wrong link just wrong writing, i left it as StarLadder even though the URL directs to ruhub, my bad! Fixed now | ||
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iserb
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On February 26 2018 19:51 Pandemona wrote: Wasn't wrong link just wrong writing, i left it as StarLadder even though the URL directs to ruhub, my bad! Fixed now Hi. But link is still wrong. Broadcast is on "sc2ruhub" channel, not in esl_ruhub_sc2 channel | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On February 26 2018 19:55 iserb wrote: Hi. But link is still wrong. Broadcast is on "sc2ruhub" channel, not in esl_ruhub_sc2 channel Ohhh that was originally wrong link, i see. Ok changed, i got it from liqqy piddy my bad Which one is the pirate broadcast? | ||
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iserb
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On February 26 2018 19:58 Pandemona wrote: Ohhh that was originally wrong link, i see. Ok changed, i got it from liqqy piddy my bad Which one is the pirate broadcast? There was ZERG_TV before. now it's gone | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Oh ok thanks  | ||
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Ej_
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User was warned for this post | ||
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Penev
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going for the slightly more challenging losers bracket route I see | ||
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Ej_
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Pandemona
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Pandain
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Ej_
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On February 26 2018 20:23 Pandain wrote: What Tod said is right, you can't beat a fully maxed out immortal archon templar army with just hydras and banes. I mean Yeah..., that is correct and true. | ||
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
What Tod said is right. You can't beat 200 supply with 80 | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On February 26 2018 18:10 Pandain wrote: Group Four Favorites Neeb, soO, Trap Chance of Upsets Very possible While I would say Neeb and soO always make it out, the last place is going to be a brutal battle between Cure, TLO, Trap, Patience, Losira, Harstem, and SortOf. I would favor Losira and Trap. I also always loved Cure back in the day, but I don't think he's doing good nowadays? With Hurricane and Cure next to Neeb, I wouldn't automatically favour Neeb. Hurricane's a PvP sniper, and Cure used to be really good. That being said, Hurricane could straight up lose to Cure, and given Cure's recent performance along with a slight Protoss edge could give Neeb the advantage. If Neeb gets by Cure/Hurricane, I think he makes it through rather easily. | ||
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IcemanAsi
Israel681 Posts
"THE SPINES ARE ALMOST DONE" Dude, there are like ten immortals there, there could be conga line of spines from there to the main, those immortals wouldn't give a fuck. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On February 26 2018 20:40 FrkFrJss wrote: With Hurricane and Cure next to Neeb, I wouldn't automatically favour Neeb. Hurricane's a PvP sniper, and Cure used to be really good. That being said, Hurricane could straight up lose to Cure, and given Cure's recent performance along with a slight Protoss edge could give Neeb the advantage. If Neeb gets by Cure/Hurricane, I think he makes it through rather easily. I agree, Cure is the best player. | ||
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Pandemona
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Pandain
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On February 26 2018 20:46 Pandemona wrote: Maru vs ptitdrogo, should be good! Lets go MARUUUU I'm torn between supporting a deep Maru run and wanting as many foreigners to do as well as possible. I'll support Maru in probably any series though. | ||
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DieuCure
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yht9657
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Pandain
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Pandemona
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jarodtou
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MrWayne
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Mun_Su
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IcemanAsi
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Pandain
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Pandemona
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MrWayne
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IcemanAsi
Israel681 Posts
Good on him. | ||
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Pandain
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Penev
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Pandain
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TakeTV streaming Ryung vs TY now game 2, TY up 1-0 Maru vs Stats coming up in 5 minutes on A stream | ||
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leublix
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MrWayne
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On February 26 2018 21:23 Pandain wrote: Stephano about to be eliminated by soul. Yikes I was really hoping for Stephano to make it to groups or at least to the final round in qualifier. TakeTV streaming Ryung vs TY now game 2, TY up 1-0 thanks for the information | ||
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Penev
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yht9657
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seopthi
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Penev
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On February 26 2018 21:30 yht9657 wrote: Haven't seen this many Twitch ads in my life. are they any good? | ||
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IcemanAsi
Israel681 Posts
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Pandain
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yht9657
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Just usual esports ads for nerds, disturbing af | ||
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IcemanAsi
Israel681 Posts
On February 26 2018 21:33 Pandain wrote: Maybe it's because I'm in Jordan, but I haven't gotten any twitch ads at all. Not complaining... Lots of love from Israel. | ||
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Penev
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Fango
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
<3 | ||
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
On February 26 2018 21:36 Fango wrote: How have the Koreans looked vs foreigners so far? Ptitdrogo had a good game 1 vs Maru, but otherwise koreans are dominant. Not surprising though, we are talking cream of the crop Koreans against the B-Team foreigners. | ||
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Penev
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On February 26 2018 21:34 yht9657 wrote: Just usual esports ads for nerds, disturbing af "I'm a gamer" | ||
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yht9657
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On February 26 2018 21:36 Fango wrote: How have the Koreans looked vs foreigners so far? Besides Ryung dropping 1 game all is going as expected. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
(Ignoring close matches between random foreigners ofc) | ||
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Penev
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new ability! | ||
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seopthi
390 Posts
On February 26 2018 21:39 Fango wrote: Ryung vs maru will be the only close match into the group maybe? (Ignoring close matches between random foreigners ofc) The closest match will be TY (who just won over Ryung) vs the winner of Maru vs Stats | ||
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
On February 26 2018 21:41 seopthi wrote: The closest match will be TY (who just won over Ryung) vs the winner of Maru vs Stats Nah they dont face each other. Maru and Stats going to be the closest game most likely. | ||
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yht9657
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On February 26 2018 21:41 seopthi wrote: The closest match will be TY (who just won over Ryung) vs the winner of Maru vs Stats TY is already qualified so there will be no more match for him or the winner of this game, | ||
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Pandemona
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Penev
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Ej_
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On February 26 2018 21:42 Pandain wrote: Nah they dont face each other. Maru and Stats going to be the closest game most likely. Turns out the closest series was Maru vs Drogo | ||
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Kommander
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Ryung vs maru will be close. Ryung best MU vs maru's worst. | ||
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Pandemona
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MrWayne
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leublix
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jarodtou
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yht9657
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Pandemona
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Ej_
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yht9657
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Penev
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dew it | ||
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DieuCure
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leublix
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On February 26 2018 22:17 yht9657 wrote: I'm calling it, mass ravens gonna win Maru this game. Yep. Seems like it. Pros finally realising how op they are. | ||
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Pandemona
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Penev
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Charoisaur
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On February 26 2018 22:22 leublix wrote: Yep. Seems like it. Pros finally realising how op they are. Agreed. Terran shouldn't be able to win games after the 15 minute mark. | ||
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B42b42oss4
Germany40 Posts
Maru and Stats are killing it! | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Maru won the fight though right XD | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On February 26 2018 22:22 leublix wrote: Yep. Seems like it. Pros finally realising how op they are. Rofl, hardcounter are op now | ||
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Penev
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needs only moma ship now | ||
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Pandemona
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Mun_Su
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iamho
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Diabolique
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Musicus
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Argonauta
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mishimaBeef
Canada2259 Posts
gg | ||
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Penev
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On February 26 2018 21:28 Penev wrote: which of these players will qualify through winning the losers' bracket? Stats it is | ||
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Ej_
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On February 26 2018 22:24 Charoisaur wrote: Agreed. Terran shouldn't be able to win games after the 15 minute mark. With seeker missile reducing armor, Terran shouldn't be able to lose games past 15min mark. | ||
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DieuCure
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starkiller123
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Just woke up to see bcs killing carriers lol | ||
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Durnuu
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On February 26 2018 22:29 Judgement wrote: What a game, never seen a Terran win a lategame when the game gets to carrier,storm,tempest It helps when you get a cheap spell that deals AOE damage, doesn't give you enough time to split, and reduces armor on top of it all. | ||
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Pandemona
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engesser1
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Penev
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On February 26 2018 22:30 yht9657 wrote: I wonder how long it will take Terran players to realize TVP is actually pretty balanced right now. mountains of salt build up by oceans of tears need to erode first | ||
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DieuCure
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Charoisaur
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On February 26 2018 22:29 Ej_ wrote: With seeker missile reducing armor, Terran shouldn't be able to lose games past 15min mark. Not at all | ||
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leublix
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Hardcounter for everything. So yes. Especially after a few month of whining about how useless they are. Anyway, not sure why Stats thought it would be a good idea to go for a game like that. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On February 26 2018 22:30 yht9657 wrote: I wonder how long it will take Terran players to realize TVP is actually pretty balanced right now. Isn't it generally seen as balanced since the patch? | ||
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starkiller123
United States4029 Posts
On February 26 2018 22:32 Penev wrote: mountains of salt build up by oceans of tears need to erode first I would say at least a year, conservatively | ||
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Durnuu
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On February 26 2018 22:34 Charoisaur wrote: Isn't it generally seen as balanced since the patch? Terrans will have no rest until TvP is at 60%. | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On February 26 2018 22:35 Durnuu wrote: Terrans will have no rest until TvP is at 60%. 60%? lol that ain't enough bro. It ain't balanced for Terrans till it's 70%. Flash is the benchmark. | ||
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Ej_
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On February 26 2018 22:34 leublix wrote: Anyway, not sure why Stats thought it would be a good idea to go for a game like that. Not much else you can do on that awful map. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
I guess people are just used to terran having no lategame by now and don't want it any different. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4029 Posts
On February 26 2018 22:38 Charoisaur wrote: For months/years PvT lategame was an autowin and the second terran gets something that can fight back in lategame people start complaining instead of trying to figure out solutions. I guess people are just used to terran having no lategame by now and don't want it any different. I mean this is Starcraft after all, people will always find a way to complain about something. It's inevitable | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2622 Posts
Shoot double post | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On February 26 2018 22:38 Charoisaur wrote: For months/years PvT lategame was an autowin and the second terran gets something that can fight back in lategame people start complaining instead of trying to figure out solutions. I guess people are just used to terran having no lategame by now and don't want it any different. Its never been autowin for protoss the raven could be argued was even better before the 4.0 patch, ghosts libs and BCs are effectively unchanged and the carrier has had a slight nerf with the cost of interceptors but that is not a huge thing in PvT. | ||
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Ej_
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On February 26 2018 22:42 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: people shouldn't be salty about a game where pretty much every tech path was used by both players. That was a treat guys. If the matchup evolves in that direction it could be pretty cool. I also loved watching FlaSh split 4p maps in half with 100 turrets and then mining it out for 15 minutes. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
When we see let's say uthermal beating Classic with mass Raven we can talk. | ||
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MrWayne
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Also I think the new seeker is better than the old one in TvP because of the energy cost, it took you such a long time before you have enough seeker missiles | ||
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DieuCure
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yht9657
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On February 26 2018 22:38 Charoisaur wrote: For months/years PvT lategame was an autowin and the second terran gets something that can fight back in lategame people start complaining instead of trying to figure out solutions. I guess people are just used to terran having no lategame by now and don't want it any different. Honestly we don't get to see PVT lategame very often, mostly one side will just kill the other side before that happens, mostly it's T kills P since Protoss players tend to tech more often. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On February 26 2018 22:47 Charoisaur wrote: And I don't think it's outrageous that Maru can beat Stats in lategame ( People that think terran should have no lategame of course think different). When we see let's say uthermal beating Classic with mass Raven we can talk. I totally agree. | ||
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Penev
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neither of them has ravens | ||
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MrWayne
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On February 26 2018 22:49 yht9657 wrote: Honestly we don't get to see PVT lategame very often, mostly one side will just kill the other side before that happens, mostly it's T kills P since Protoss players tend to tech more often. yeah often times the players will stay on early late game tech and trade because neither of them sees the opportunity to to tech up. | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On February 26 2018 22:48 DieuCure wrote: I'm so smart i whine about terrans whine Whining about whining about terrans whining new meta. | ||
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MrWayne
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On February 26 2018 22:54 D-light wrote: Whining about whining about terrans whining new meta. whineception! | ||
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jarodtou
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On February 26 2018 22:59 Kashim wrote: soul 1-0 Stats !! :D gogogo local players, I guess the fact that he is polish has a huge impact, always was a plus for the polish players playing in polish soil. | ||
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ShAd_1337
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stats is loosing | ||
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Penev
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oh stats.. | ||
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DieuCure
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souL was so close to lose to Krr 2-0 and now he's here | ||
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Fyzar
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On February 26 2018 23:24 yht9657 wrote: That wall-off at the natural was a mistake from Stats. Have to do that or you get rekt by hellion runby though Kinda lame, Stats v Ryung or dns couldve been fun | ||
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engesser1
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On February 26 2018 23:25 Ej_ wrote: Maru isn't good, Stats is just worse. you're breaking my heart with words like these | ||
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yht9657
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On February 26 2018 23:25 Fyzar wrote: Have to do that or you get rekt by hellion runby though Kinda lame, Stats v Ryung or dns couldve been fun He could've made that wall later, not at the start of the game. | ||
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Durnuu
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On February 26 2018 23:33 ShAd_1337 wrote: too many pauses As is tradition with literally every non-Korean tournament. | ||
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yht9657
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On February 26 2018 23:34 Durnuu wrote: As is tradition with literally every non-Korean tournament. And KR has way better ads tbh. | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
Poland3244 Posts
Also, as a #1 terran hater I feel obliged to say T imba! | ||
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Penev
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On February 26 2018 23:40 OsaX Nymloth wrote: How did Soul won? I couldn't watch. Also, as a #1 terran hater I feel obliged to say T imba! he cheesed/ proxied in games 1 and 3, Stats didn't scout the first and didn't respond too well in the 3rd | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
Poland3244 Posts
On February 26 2018 23:43 Penev wrote: he cheesed/ proxied in games 1 and 3, Stats didn't scout the first and didn't respond too well in the 3rd Thanks! Protoss seems to be really struggling vs cheese from T and Z lately or is it just me? Now I need SouL to win one more game #PolandStrong | ||
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yht9657
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If Maru got cheesed out by a foreign Protoss the salt is gonna be unprecedented. | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
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On February 26 2018 23:48 yht9657 wrote: Glad to see people so calm about Stats bombing out. If Maru got cheesed out by a foreign Protoss the salt is gonna be unprecedented. Imagine if played like Dandy would defeat uThermal or Special - the whine would be endless. | ||
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yht9657
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On February 26 2018 23:53 Fango wrote: First inno in gsl now stats here. This is why people say when you're the better player you should play defensive/scout or you can be Dark and cheese the hell of those dirty foreigners. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
Remember GSL s1 2017 when Gumiho lost to Nightmare, nobody was whining i think | ||
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yht9657
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On February 26 2018 23:55 DieuCure wrote: Seriously stop with the passive whine ... Remember GSL s1 2017 when Gumiho lost to Nightmare, nobody was whining i think At that time Gumiho hadn't won anything yet, he was not considered a championship contender like Inno or Stats. | ||
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MrWayne
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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gg Stats | ||
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Penev
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:thinking: | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On February 26 2018 23:57 Penev wrote: why is it in these threads there's always more people talking about whining than actual whining? :thinking: Can you stop whining about the lack of actual whining, jesus I just hope Ryung will qualify now, we need some korean statement | ||
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Argonauta
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Penev
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On February 26 2018 23:59 The_Red_Viper wrote: Can you stop whining about the lack of actual whining, jesus I just hope Ryung will qualify now, we need some korean statement You're so pro gap | ||
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jarodtou
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Penev
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The_Red_Viper
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I think koreans will have a hard time this year in proleague | ||
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starkiller123
United States4029 Posts
On February 27 2018 00:06 Penev wrote: so are protoss and terran both op? No clearly Terran is super strong right now and whenever Protoss wins its a upset | ||
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leublix
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Ej_
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On February 27 2018 00:11 starkiller123 wrote: No clearly Terran is super strong right now and whenever Protoss wins its a upset Really? The terran players have been telling me the exact opposite about both non mirrors for last 6 years :o | ||
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DieuCure
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Ej_
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Guru > Scarlett GSL highest skilled most competitive league confirmed | ||
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MrWayne
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kajtarp
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DieuCure
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On February 26 2018 23:59 The_Red_Viper wrote: Can you stop whining about the lack of actual whining, jesus I just hope Ryung will qualify now, we need some korean statement I swear I saw a post on reddit complaining about the balance between current terran and protoss balance whining | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On February 27 2018 00:19 DieuCure wrote: Is Scarlett the best player in the world? Top 10 Zerg player imo. | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
On February 27 2018 00:21 Fango wrote: I think such topic is actually some sort of social psychology study, which is clearly way sophisticated than balance whining.I swear I saw a post on reddit complaining about the balance between current terran and protoss balance whining | ||
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jarodtou
167 Posts
yet she lost 2-0 to Guru.. looks like home players are doing really good, still hope she will win the losers bracket. | ||
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Ej_
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Of all time?! | ||
Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
ty brother stats | ||
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Penev
28453 Posts
e: ah | ||
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leublix
493 Posts
On February 26 2018 23:48 OsaX Nymloth wrote: Protoss seems to be really struggling vs cheese from T and Z lately or is it just me? Miss a scout -> dead. Blind batteries are too expensive but the game would suck if they were cheap enough to make them blindly. | ||
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AUGcodon
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OsaX Nymloth
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HolydaKing
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Nope. | ||
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Keeemy
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engesser1
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On February 27 2018 00:26 AUGcodon wrote: And scarlet continues to be all over the map in her performance o.O Scarlett cannot beat the one dreaded fear of all The mediocre european zerg | ||
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MrWayne
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Penev
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On February 27 2018 00:26 Soularion wrote: Scarlett cannot beat the one dreaded fear of all The mediocre european zerg polish tho | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
Poland3244 Posts
On February 27 2018 00:26 AUGcodon wrote: And scarlet continues to be all over the map in her performance o.O I'm pretty sure it's somehow protoss fault | ||
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Ej_
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On February 27 2018 00:26 Keeemy wrote: Ryung rocking that Axiom hoodie, noice. Progamers don't make enough money to afford new clothing. | ||
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egrimm
Poland1199 Posts
On February 27 2018 00:14 Ej_ wrote: souL > Stats Guru > Scarlett GSL highest skilled most competitive league confirmed POLAAANDDDDD :D | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
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P O L A N D | ||
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Penev
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OsaX Nymloth
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Imbalance? + Show Spoiler + low quality bait | ||
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Fango
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HolydaKing
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On February 27 2018 00:34 OsaX Nymloth wrote: All terran qualifying from bracket #1. Imbalance? + Show Spoiler + low quality bait Nah, terran players are generally more skilled. Worked for them this time! | ||
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starkiller123
United States4029 Posts
On February 27 2018 00:35 Fango wrote: I'm always salty when good players get cheesed out by lesser ones. Just makes the later stages of the tournament so much worse Kinda like what happened in gsl | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
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D-light
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On February 27 2018 00:34 OsaX Nymloth wrote: All terran qualifying from bracket #1. Imbalance? + Show Spoiler + low quality bait Far from it. Lillekanin didn't even make it to the top-6 of the bracket. | ||
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yht9657
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#ChinTossBestToss | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On February 27 2018 00:40 OsaX Nymloth wrote: This pringles commercial is making sure i never ever buy them again most overrated brand of chips in the world. | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
Poland3244 Posts
On February 27 2018 00:42 yht9657 wrote: Now with Stats out, I shall put my faith in that magnificent chin of Classic. #ChinTossBestToss #ZestIsGoingtoBeBestAgain #ButChinTossIsCoolToo | ||
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Penev
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Nerchio
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HolydaKing
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edit: ESLSC2C is gonna show it. | ||
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usopsama
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Penev
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Ej_
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On February 27 2018 00:46 usopsama wrote: Can't wait to see the Koreans milk those foreigner tears. Stats was eliminated by a Polish Terran player already, you are late to the party | ||
Inflicted
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On February 27 2018 00:48 Ej_ wrote: Stats was eliminated by a Polish Terran player already, you are late to the party Can't wait to see the good Koreans milk those foreigner tears. | ||
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Penev
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DieuCure
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On February 27 2018 00:49 Inflicted wrote: Can't wait to see the good Koreans milk those foreigner tears. Tomorrow, Cure vs Neeb | ||
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Inflicted
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Neeb isn't Korean though | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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Ej_
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On February 27 2018 00:57 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Morning everyone. Missed anything good so far? I see Stats choked, that's weird Scarlett lost 0-2 to Guru | ||
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HolydaKing
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Topin
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Durnuu
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Don't make SGTK hang himself so early in the morning dude | ||
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Soularion
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On February 27 2018 00:57 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Morning everyone. Missed anything good so far? I see Stats choked, that's weird Was less of a choke and more of him not expecting souL to really do anything and then panicking when souL actually tried to play aggressively. I hope more foreigners do that. Just attack the koreans, man. Can't be like Guru and try to play safe vs them, they'll just run you over. | ||
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Ej_
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On February 27 2018 01:01 Soularion wrote: Was less of a choke and more of him not expecting souL to really do anything and then panicking when souL actually tried to play aggressively. I hope more foreigners do that. Just attack the koreans, man. Can't be like Guru and try to play safe vs them, they'll just run you over. Guru and playing safe LOL | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
I didn't see game 1, but game 2 he went for a pretty standard opening and got early pooled. He played okay, but ultimately Solar edged him out. | ||
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Charoisaur
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On February 27 2018 00:59 HolydaKing wrote: Trust 1-0 Serral ... -__- Wow foreigners have really improved massively | ||
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Ej_
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On February 27 2018 01:03 Soularion wrote: I didn't see game 1, but game 2 he went for a pretty standard opening and got early pooled. He played okay, but ultimately Solar edged him out. Going hatchery first in a zvz isn't and indicator of any kind of a mindset... playing safe would be opening pool first and having a BO win vs 13/12 | ||
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Soularion
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On February 27 2018 01:03 Charoisaur wrote: Wow foreigners have really improved massively Damn, Bo1s count as upsets, now? Guess Krr beat Ryung, then. | ||
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Soularion
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On February 27 2018 01:04 Ej_ wrote: Going hatchery first in a zvz isn't and indicator of any kind of a mindset... playing safe would be opening pool first and having a BO win vs 13/12 If I phrased it as more of a mindset that's my bad, but I'm just saying I don't think you can really let korean players get into their comfort zone, which going hatch first in ZvZ definitely does. Afaik Solar loves his aggro ling/bling wars against players who aren't soO. | ||
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Penev
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a BvB | ||
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Heartland
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How the fuck? Is she out now? | ||
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Ej_
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On February 27 2018 01:06 Soularion wrote: If I phrased it as more of a mindset that's my bad, but I'm just saying I don't think you can really let korean players get into their comfort zone, which going hatch first in ZvZ definitely does. Afaik Solar loves his aggro ling/bling wars against players who aren't soO. in GSL he lost to Leenock's 13/12 while opening pool first so I doubt he loves ling/bane, especially given how often he skips banelings at all in ZvZ | ||
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Ej_
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Just played at the usual average foreigner level :D. She's in LB now. | ||
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Soularion
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On February 27 2018 01:07 Ej_ wrote: in GSL he lost to Leenock's 13/12 while opening pool first so I doubt he loves ling/bane, especially given how often he skips banelings at all in ZvZ I dunno, he looked pretty damn comfortable against Guru v0v It's just usually an awkward position, I guess. I think the aggressive player tends to have a big comfort lead in ZvZ, being on the back foot is never fun in that matchup. | ||
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Heartland
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On February 27 2018 01:07 Ej_ wrote: Just played at the usual average foreigner level :D. She's in LB now. How do you go from S-class to losing to Guru? | ||
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HolydaKing
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Ej_
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On February 27 2018 01:09 Heartland wrote: How do you go from S-class to losing to Guru? everybody in the world unchokes? | ||
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Soularion
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On February 27 2018 01:09 Heartland wrote: How do you go from S-class to losing to Guru? Is it surprising? Scarlett's never been very consistent in ZvZ. I kind of knew she'd struggle to rely on the matchup, because across her entire career she's been inconsistent in the matchup. She lost to Namshar in WCS, which is when I really started to think 'yeah, this isn't gonna last'. | ||
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Nakajin
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Penev
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Heartland
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On February 27 2018 01:10 Soularion wrote: Is it surprising? Scarlett's never been very consistent in ZvZ. I kind of knew she'd struggle to rely on the matchup, because across her entire career she's been inconsistent in the matchup. She lost to Namshar in WCS, which is when I really started to think 'yeah, this isn't gonna last'. I mean, if she'd lose to a decent foreigner I could get it... | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On February 27 2018 01:09 Heartland wrote: How do you go from S-class to losing to Guru? Jet lag, ZvZ randomness, Polish Zerg OP, etc. | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On February 27 2018 01:11 Nakajin wrote: First korean sweep complete If anyone expected big things from DnS/souL/Bly/Drogo, idk what they're smoking. They're okay players but that group has some koreans in it which just utterly outclass them. | ||
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geokilla
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starkiller123
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On February 27 2018 01:08 Soularion wrote: I dunno, he looked pretty damn comfortable against Guru v0v It's just usually an awkward position, I guess. I think the aggressive player tends to have a big comfort lead in ZvZ, being on the back foot is never fun in that matchup. Well Guru is not exactly a great player, Solar should comfortably win most times regardless | ||
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Heartland
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On February 27 2018 01:12 geokilla wrote: People are saying that the gap between foreigners and Koreans narrowed. I think it's more that Koreans aren't as good as they were before. They don't have a team or a coach behind them anymore I don't think? Of course that's why. | ||
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Topin
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On February 27 2018 01:11 Penev wrote: gap saved hahahaaha short but funny | ||
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Heartland
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On February 27 2018 01:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Jet lag, ZvZ randomness, Polish Zerg OP, etc. I accept the jet lag explanation. I'd also accept touched by JYP. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4029 Posts
On February 27 2018 01:09 Heartland wrote: How do you go from S-class to losing to Guru? Maybe not S class, what a novel idea | ||
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Fyzar
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On February 27 2018 01:15 starkiller123 wrote: Maybe not S class, what a novel idea How dare you... Thought police get in here | ||
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Heartland
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On February 27 2018 01:15 starkiller123 wrote: Maybe not S class, what a novel idea She's in Code S. | ||
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Ej_
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Guru is already in Code Z | ||
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starkiller123
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Fango
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On February 27 2018 01:09 Heartland wrote: How do you go from S-class to losing to Guru? People will say she played at her usual level here, the wins against sOs and Inno were the real anomalies. I think it's safe to say she underperformed, but this kind of result would not have been a suprise a couple months ago. | ||
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TheDougler
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starkiller123
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Ej_
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On February 27 2018 01:24 Nakajin wrote: If I ever play against True I'm just gona play 2 base BL rush, with a bunch of spine at the natural. Lings can't kill those the mutas will kill you | ||
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HolydaKing
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jarodtou
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On February 27 2018 01:22 TheDougler wrote: My theory is she's dropped to the lower bracket to cleanse it of the unworthy. Yep, that's my story and I'm sticking to it... (Lol. Least I didn't get my hopes up this time. I suspect we'll only get one non-korean qualifying for group stages. Probably Snute or Kelazhur). I think Serral has also a really good change besides Snute(who has a great bracket) | ||
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D-light
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On February 27 2018 01:24 HolydaKing wrote: Serral 2-1 Trust | ||
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Nakajin
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Nah he will need the gas to baneling bust 8 spines | ||
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hexhaven
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Charoisaur
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On February 27 2018 01:12 geokilla wrote: People are saying that the gap between foreigners and Koreans narrowed. I think it's more that Koreans aren't as good as they were before. They don't have a team or a coach behind them anymore I don't think? I think the bigger factor is that most of them are competing for almost a decade now and are slowly getting old and slow. They don't necessarily need a coach, the WCS koreans in 2013/14 still dominated foreigners. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On February 27 2018 01:28 Charoisaur wrote: I think the bigger factor is that most of them are competing for almost a decade now and are slowly getting old and slow. They don't necessarily need a coach, the WCS koreans in 2013/14 still dominated foreigners. The number of Korean players is simply declining. Meanwhile, we have some foreigners that weren't good or even there a few years ago. | ||
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Lorning
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starkiller123
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On February 27 2018 01:39 Lorning wrote: Oooh Creator is playing It's sad how consistently bad Creator is | ||
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Charoisaur
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On February 27 2018 01:36 HolydaKing wrote: The number of Korean players is simply declining. Meanwhile, we have some foreigners that weren't good or even there a few years ago. Tbh I think Neeb and Serral are the most skilled foreigners we ever had and could've been competitive during the Kespa era. But yeah obv the korean scene isn't what it used to be. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
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Fanatic-Templar
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Nakajin
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Charoisaur
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On February 27 2018 01:40 starkiller123 wrote: It's sad how consistently bad Creator is So strange considering how good he was in WoL. Is there another player who suddenly went from really good to really bad for no apparent reason? | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On February 27 2018 01:44 Charoisaur wrote: So strange considering how good he was in WoL. Is there another player who suddenly went from really good to really bad for no apparent reason? Plenty of players who were great in WoL were not as good by late HoTS/LoTV | ||
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Nakajin
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On February 27 2018 01:44 Charoisaur wrote: So strange considering how good he was in WoL. Is there another player who suddenly went from really good to really bad for no apparent reason?  jjakji,  ByuL?A bunch more, it's pretty common I fell | ||
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Durnuu
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Rogue but I can think of a reason | ||
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Ej_
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StarDust, San, HerO | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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non-stop Starcraft action! | ||
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HolydaKing
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On February 27 2018 01:43 Charoisaur wrote: Tbh I think Neeb and Serral are the most skilled foreigners we ever had and could've been competitive during the Kespa era. But yeah obv the korean scene isn't what it used to be. No disagreement there, Serral is #1 Aligulac after all. | ||
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Penev
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Leenock | ||
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Durnuu
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On February 27 2018 01:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote: its great they have 3 streams to choose from. non-stop Starcraft action! You say that as if all 3 weren't on break just 10 minutes ago | ||
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Soularion
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Charoisaur
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Weren't Stardust and San mediocre players who just had success because of the WCS system? | ||
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HolydaKing
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Soularion
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Ej_
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On February 27 2018 01:49 Charoisaur wrote: Weren't Stardust and San mediocre players who just had success because of the WCS system? there was other factor that got patched out with HotS  | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
The reason for ByuL was probably because he was crushed by 3 second places in a row | ||
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Penev
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unending gifs | ||
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Ej_
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On February 27 2018 01:50 Soularion wrote: Letting that corrosive bile land is so lazy by leenock, lmao. crazy is 1 word you could use to describe this game for sure | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16647 Posts
On February 27 2018 01:47 Durnuu wrote: You say that as if all 3 weren't on break just 10 minutes ago did they? when the main stream was on the ZG/FearDragon stream was playing a game. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On February 27 2018 01:51 Penev wrote: imagine Serral winning this tourney unending gifs unending bans too unfortunately. ^_^ | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On February 27 2018 01:51 Ej_ wrote: crazy is 1 word you could use to describe this game for sure This has just been an awkward, fumbly mess of a game. Not very clean by Scarlett but she made it work. | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
On February 27 2018 01:51 Penev wrote: imagine Serral winning this tourney unending gifs Unending bans, more like. | ||
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Elentos
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On February 27 2018 01:49 Charoisaur wrote: Weren't Stardust and San mediocre players who just had success because of the WCS system? San was a GSL semifinalist who fell off, got revived in WCS and had Life's number for years. He had the potential for more than he did. | ||
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D-light
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On February 27 2018 01:46 HolydaKing wrote: No disagreement there, Serral is #1 Aligulac after all. I mean when ur also the #1 Aligulac foreigner of all-time and have 10k mmr you're literally a bonjwa. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Soularion
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On February 27 2018 01:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: Scarlett is just too good in zvz Guru never got the memo | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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On February 27 2018 01:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: Scarlett is just too good in zvz meh, Leenock's first wave of Roaches almost won it. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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Ej_
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On February 27 2018 02:05 vult wrote: lol scarlett, the moment she sees mutas shes like "im gunna fucking murder him" it's literally what you're supposed to do | ||
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Penev
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legal murder | ||
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Heartland
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On February 27 2018 02:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Gotta feel bad for Leenock, that's a tough loss for a guy who probably paid his own way. Blame Guru | ||
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vult
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On February 27 2018 02:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Gotta feel bad for Leenock, that's a tough loss for a guy who probably paid his own way. Tough loss for sure but... Leenock Total Earnings: $266,593 I'm sure he'll be okay. | ||
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Bagration
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On February 27 2018 02:17 vult wrote: Tough loss for sure but... Leenock Total Earnings: $266,593 I'm sure he'll be okay. It's not bad, but it's less impressive over a 7 year period (~$38k per year) | ||
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Topin
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On February 27 2018 02:19 Bagration wrote: It's not bad, but it's less impressive over a 7 year period (~$38k per year) exactly! and consider that he hasnt won anything relevant in like what... 2 or more years? | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
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On February 27 2018 02:24 Heartland wrote: Scarlett looks bad ass she is bud! | ||
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Ej_
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On February 27 2018 02:25 Fango wrote: Really hoping for Trust here but Scarlett's rushes are just too strong You need to let it go, dude. | ||
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Fango
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Let what go? | ||
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Ej_
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The fact that Scarlett eliminated sOs and INnoVation with all-ins and which you've been lowkey emphasizing is all she can do for last week? | ||
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Durnuu
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On February 27 2018 02:27 Ej_ wrote: The fact that Scarlett eliminated sOs and INnoVation with all-ins and which you've been lowkey emphasizing is all she can do for last week? "lowkey" | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Nice signature | ||
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Fango
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On February 27 2018 02:27 Ej_ wrote: The fact that Scarlett eliminated sOs and INnoVation with all-ins and which you've been lowkey emphasizing is all she can do for last week? Did she not eliminate sOs and Innovation with rushes though? Trust is not as good as either of them, hence why I said he doesn't have a chance. | ||
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On February 27 2018 02:29 Fango wrote: Did she not eliminate sOs and Innovation with rushes though? Trust is not as good as either of them, hence why I said he doesn't have a chance. Thank god Scarlett isn't doing an all-in :o | ||
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On February 27 2018 02:32 Durnuu wrote: Trust, what a player. Doing one build and sticking with it every PvZ. Nice signature | ||
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Fango
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Gave Trust an extra few minutes of game time | ||
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Durnuu
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On February 27 2018 02:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Shocked Scarlett committed after it was scouted and countered It's not like you can transition out of a 13/12 in ZvP. | ||
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On February 27 2018 02:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Shocked Scarlett committed after it was scouted and countered To used to winning with it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | ||
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Vindicare605
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On February 27 2018 02:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Shocked Scarlett committed after it was scouted and countered. I guess you have to try Her first hatchery was so late, I think she felt that she was too committed already due to the build. | ||
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On February 27 2018 02:41 fastr wrote: Well I hate protoss, but that was really great defense from Trap The Protoss is Trust, not Trap | ||
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On February 27 2018 02:47 Penev wrote: top korean pro's Trust is like Code A level. He's good enough to qualify for Code S but I wouldn't call him a top pro at all. Byun looked like a cat playing with food when he knocked him out of the Ro32 this season. | ||
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On February 27 2018 02:48 Vindicare605 wrote: Trust is like Code A level. He's good enough to qualify for Code S but I wouldn't call him a top pro at all. Byun looked like a cat playing with food when he knocked him out of the Ro32 this season. He would be lucky to get 6.5k on eu | ||
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about half a serral | ||
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On February 27 2018 02:51 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I'd assumed proxy gates or a proxy Robo. Why an in-base Stargate? if you can get into the mineral line before the spore is done, it's gg at this level of play | ||
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Vindicare605
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On February 27 2018 02:51 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I'd assumed proxy gates or a proxy Robo. Why an in-base Stargate? Mind games bro. Trust is actually from 8 months in the future where that build is meta. | ||
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On February 27 2018 02:51 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I'd assumed proxy gates or a proxy Robo. Why an in-base Stargate? for laughs? I'd say it was successful | ||
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On February 27 2018 02:51 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I'd assumed proxy gates or a proxy Robo. Why an in-base Stargate? If unscouted it probably wins a lot of games. If scouted it's GG. | ||
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It's the only think that make sense to me Edit: happy I'm not the only crazy thinking about that | ||
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( <3 Zanster too, but I can't remember him ever making a deep run in a tournament, and he pretty much just had a 2011-HuK level bracket luck thus far in the tournament). | ||
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![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/1Myxps3.jpg) What keeps me up at night | ||
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On February 27 2018 03:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote: So Stats got eliminated? Unsurprising. I'm not sure why everyone thought Stats would do well considering everything he's done since Blizzcon. He's basically been Rogue levels of bad. Even on a bad day, Stats losing to a european terran most people haven't heard of is a big upset. Especially considering he just had a very long and close series against Maru. | ||
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On February 27 2018 03:08 Fango wrote: Even on a bad day, Stats losing to a european terran most people haven't heard of is a big upset. Especially considering he just had a very long and close series against Maru. Oh yeah it's an upset, but it just means Stats got destroyed slightly sooner than expectations. | ||
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Was a long SC2 day | ||
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Elentos
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On February 27 2018 03:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote: So Stats got eliminated? Unsurprising. I'm not sure why everyone thought Stats would do well considering everything he's done since Blizzcon. He's basically been Rogue levels of bad. Rogue wishes he could be bad enough to make top 8 in GSL | ||
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On February 27 2018 03:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote: So Stats got eliminated? Unsurprising. I'm not sure why everyone thought Stats would do well considering everything he's done since Blizzcon. He's basically been Rogue levels of bad. He's currently top 8 in gsl and you say it's "unsurprising". How dare you call him bad. | ||
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On February 27 2018 03:12 Elentos wrote: Rogue wishes he could be bad enough to make top 8 in GSL Mirror match-ups giveth and mirror match-ups taketh away. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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On February 27 2018 03:12 Elentos wrote: Rogue wishes he could be bad enough to make top 8 in GSL He has the talent too, it's unfortunate that he ran into the ZvZ titan that is Scarlett | ||
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On February 27 2018 03:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: He has the talent too, it's unfortunate that he ran into the ZvZ titan that is Scarlett Could've been worse, he could've encountered Guru in the qualifiers. | ||
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On February 27 2018 03:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: He has the talent too, it's unfortunate that he ran into the ZvZ titan that is Scarlett Talent is one way to say "patchzerg" yeah | ||
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it is? Ziktomini rejoice | ||
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and then soO is a choker | ||
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On February 27 2018 03:24 Ej_ wrote: Dark isn't a patchzerg. Life isn't either he's a fixzerg | ||
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On February 27 2018 03:23 starkiller123 wrote: every zerg other than soO is a patchzerg and then soO is a choker You forgot the Nestea - creatorZerg | ||
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starkiller123
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On February 27 2018 03:24 Ej_ wrote: Dark isn't a patchzerg. well he hasn't won anything since zerg was super strong at the start of lotv don't worry I'm just trolling...mostly | ||
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Somewhere, JohnnyRecco nods in approvement. | ||
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Nestea is the GrandpaZerg WhiteRa and Boxer were the other two Grandpas of their respective races. | ||
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Creator's looking in good form but Scarlett's ZvP has been solid lately. Scarlett vs True is a toss up but we'll see... | ||
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On February 27 2018 03:50 Mike L wrote: this in somehow way reminds me her MLG Anaheim 2014 deep lower bracket run Offrace vs TRUE? | ||
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i don`t think it`s allowed according to rules right now | ||
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On February 27 2018 04:16 Seeker wrote: ...Creator looks like he's going to cry As is tradition. RIP SC2 Proleague 2014-2016 | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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On February 27 2018 04:17 Durnuu wrote: As is tradition. RIP SC2 Proleague 2014-2016 Don't worry when I win the lottery I'll use the money to bring back Proleague | ||
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On February 27 2018 04:17 Durnuu wrote: As is tradition. RIP SC2 Proleague 2014-2016 Wow going full FAKE NEWS on 2012-2013 Proleague? Trying to pretend Inno and Flash didn't win 90 games combined? Pro Terran agenda confirmed? | ||
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On February 27 2018 04:18 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Don't worry when I win the lottery I'll use the money to bring back Proleague I'd just sponsor a cage fight between Life and iloveoov. | ||
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Durnuu
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On February 27 2018 04:20 Elentos wrote: Wow going full FAKE NEWS on 2012-2013 Proleague? Trying to pretend Inno and Flash didn't win 90 games combined? Pro Terran agenda confirmed? Not gonna lie, 2012-2013 was the hybrid Proleague in my mind. | ||
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On February 27 2018 04:16 Seeker wrote: ...Creator looks like he's going to cry wow you werent kidding his eyes are so red | ||
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On February 27 2018 04:20 Durnuu wrote: Not gonna lie, 2012-2013 was the hybrid Proleague in my mind. Yeah it was hybrid, half Protoss and half Hellbat | ||
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On February 27 2018 04:27 Solar424 wrote: TRUE is like NoRegret with better mechanics. Creator is like Durn with worse mechanics. | ||
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On February 27 2018 04:32 Seeker wrote: Poor Creator... He'll never be as dominant as he was in 2012 :/ When you peak at the beginning of your career | ||
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On February 27 2018 04:32 Seeker wrote: Poor Creator... He'll never be as dominant as he was in 2012 :/ Still gets to be the reigning TSL champion though | ||
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Creator | ||
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the trueening | ||
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On February 27 2018 04:59 Solar424 wrote: Every time I watch TRUE play I'm baffled by how he's able to win. For starters, he's better at LBM than Rogue :D | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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On February 27 2018 04:59 Solar424 wrote: Every time I watch TRUE play I'm baffled by how he's able to win. Good mindgames. Double tricked Scarlett by going mutas, and then committing hard to mutas when she under-spored | ||
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On February 27 2018 04:59 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Watching armies evaporate to Banelings has been one of my consistent joys in StarCraft 2 since the beta. Even as a protoss, just a-moving banelings into enemy army is so satisfying feeling. | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:01 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Even as a protoss, just a-moving banelings into enemy army is so satisfying feeling. I lost one of my first games ever by losing all my Zealots to burrowed Banelings on Desert Oasis. Good times. EDIT: Wasn't being sarcastic either, the whole Roach/Marauder/Immortal thing that was going on at the time was much more boring. | ||
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On February 27 2018 04:59 Solar424 wrote: Every time I watch TRUE play I'm baffled by how he's able to win. TRUE is similar to sOs in that instead of looking good they just make their opponent look worse than they are. | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:09 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Now just please scout the spire and she wins Scouting? This is Scarlett we're talking about here, not Dark. | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:09 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Now just please scout the spire and she wins this game was over when true attacked into 1/1 roaches | ||
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that was awesome. | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:12 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Amazing hold, I'd given her up for dead. wow same | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:14 usopsama wrote: Can TRUE, who is basically a foreigner, beat his foreigner opponent???? If TRUE is a foreigner then Scarlett is a Korean | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: If TRUE is a foreigner then Scarlett is a Korean This logic checks out. | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: If TRUE is a foreigner then Scarlett is a Korean Nah, Koreans can't play in both WCS and GSL | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:17 Geo.Rion wrote: the amount of commercial brakes this tournament has really diminished the viewer experience for me. I know they need to make money off of this, but WTF sometimes they even took breaks when they werent showin video-ads, just not-showing actual game-play Like I said earlier in the thread, that's every non-Korean tournament in SC2. Better get used to it, it won't change | ||
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seems to be happening in Scarlett's games. | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:17 Geo.Rion wrote: the amount of commercial brakes this tournament has really diminished the viewer experience for me. I know they need to make money off of this, but WTF sometimes they even took breaks when they werent showin video-ads, just not-showing actual game-play ESL are probably the greediest tournament organizers there are. They recently started streaming their CS:GO and Dota tournaments on Facebook, presumably because they were paid, and tried to take down people restreaming on Twitch. | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:20 Solar424 wrote: ESL are probably the greediest tournament organizers there are. They recently started streaming their CS:GO and Dota tournaments on Facebook, presumably because they were paid, and tried to take down people restreaming on Twitch. do you remember MLG? | ||
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MLG no longer exists. | ||
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I know. | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:24 Penev wrote: gap widened? Closed, if anything. Scarlett spent more time in Korea this year of the 2. | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:25 Solar424 wrote: TRUE is Scarlett's nemesis, he always beats her, especially when it matters T_T http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=&before=&players=TRUE 422 Scarlett 23&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op= | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:26 geokilla wrote: Scarlett is up an upgrade and she's still losing. Come on Scarlett... Upgrades don't matter when you're down 30 army supply | ||
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5 kr/6, 1kr/6 last year ( with a lot of forfeit etc in 2017 ) And more viewers btw | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:27 Solar424 wrote: Upgrades don't matter when you're down 30 army supply +1 literally doesn't matter in roach vs roach, you need +2 carapace to negate each attack upgrade for roaches | ||
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Ah well, still made a good showing after a disastrous start. | ||
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Such irony | ||
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Almost got to ro24 tho so thats cool for her | ||
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I'm really badly disappointed with Stephano elimination (couldn't see the games), hope he manages to come back to the top level one day. | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
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now I wait to read how it is protoss fault for Scarlett not advancing | ||
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DieuCure
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On February 27 2018 05:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: This is a really long and painful death animation. Scarlett just can't beat foreigners on foreign ground She can't beat ro32 wcs players without fancy builds. | ||
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But seriously good showing by her, playing against those crazy zerg has to be tought | ||
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That was a win for the the WCS Circuit! | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:29 Nakajin wrote: Yep True is to much of a foreigner, Scarlett had no chance But seriously good showing by her, playing against those crazy zerg has to be tought Didn't seem too tough for the aligulac king. :^) | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:29 OsaX Nymloth wrote: Good. Would still way much prefer Creator to advance now I wait to read how it is protoss fault for Scarlett not advancing Why would that he the case? | ||
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Just poking a bit, because Scarlett usually drops here and whines about toss even when ZvP is broken So I'm sure toss is at fault today too! Somehow x] | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:30 HolydaKing wrote: The 2nd foreign Korean after Jürgen. ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1Y190jIUAAKgVT.jpg) | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:30 HolydaKing wrote: The 2nd foreign Korean after Jürgen. I like how if I type in google "starcraft jurgen" I get MVP's photos. Those were fun times. | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:31 OsaX Nymloth wrote: Just poking a bit, because Scarlett usually drops here and whines about toss even when ZvP is broken So I'm sure toss is at fault today too! Somehow x] Yeah, toss is bad enough in PvZ for Creator to lose to TRUE so Scarlett couldn't beat Creator to advance! It's a bit sad that she is eliminated early but there was too much hype after GSL so it's a good thing Plus EU>NA still | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:33 Poopi wrote: Yeah, toss is bad enough in PvZ for Creator to lose to TRUE so Scarlett couldn't beat Creator to advance! It's a bit sad that she is eliminated early but there was too much hype after GSL so it's a good thing Plus EU>NA still | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:34 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Wow bracket 3 is so weak More Blizzcon players than in group B though | ||
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On February 27 2018 06:05 Fango wrote: Shame to see Stats and Scarlett lose to players I think everyone can agree they are better than. It is indeed a shame to see Stats lose to Maru | ||
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On February 27 2018 05:36 usopsama wrote: There aren't enough Koreans in Bracket #3, so another foreigner will sneak through. the bottom bracket has no koreans in it so a foreigner 100% will go through | ||
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On February 27 2018 06:06 Durnuu wrote: It is indeed a shame to see Stats lose to Maru well Maru recent results against P is pretty good and i`m actually surprised with it as i guess that TvP isn`t the thing where he`s going to shine | ||
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On February 27 2018 06:08 sirax067 wrote: the bottom bracket has no koreans in it so a foreigner 100% will go through Code S Zerg NoRegreT is basically a Korean (since he plays in GSL, but can't play in WCS (can't in the sense "is unable to make it through"))  . | ||
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On February 27 2018 06:05 Fango wrote: Shame to see Stats and Scarlett lose to players I think everyone can agree they are better than. For Stats I agree but not for Scarlett, a complete stomp against Guru and then a legit loss against TRUE | ||
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On February 27 2018 06:20 DieuCure wrote: For Stats I agree but not for Scarlett, a complete stomp against Guru and then a legit loss against TRUE Yeah, Stats would probably be a favorite to win the whole tournament if he had made it through. | ||
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On February 27 2018 06:20 DieuCure wrote: For Stats I agree but not for Scarlett, a complete stomp against Guru and then a legit loss against TRUE Scarlett is a better player than either of those two. She got unlucky that ZvZ is her weakest MU and those guys can just win win in it sometimes. In terms of macro play, ZvT, ZvP etc, Scarlett is miles ahead of True or Guru. | ||
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On February 27 2018 06:41 Fango wrote: Scarlett is a better player than either of those two. She got unlucky that ZvZ is her weakest MU and those guys can just win win in it sometimes. In terms of macro play, ZvT, ZvP etc, Scarlett is miles ahead of True or Guru. Upsets happen That has worked in Scarlett's favor for awhile, but it was inevitable that it would come back and bite her. | ||
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On February 27 2018 07:17 usopsama wrote: TY, Maru, Solar 14-0 foreigners. 2018 is a good year. and the foreigner who eat Korean monney is also out, wonderful day | ||
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On February 27 2018 07:17 pvsnp wrote: Upsets happen That has worked in Scarlett's favor for awhile, but it was inevitable that it would come back and bite her. Upsets only help her on Korean soil. | ||
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On February 27 2018 07:17 usopsama wrote: TY, Maru, Solar 14-0 foreigners. 2018 is a good year. souL beating Stats tho I'd say it's shameful enough for Maru/TY/Solar results not to matter Plus Serral gonna crush korean hopes soon enough :D | ||
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DieuCure
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On February 27 2018 06:41 Fango wrote: Scarlett is a better player than either of those two. She got unlucky that ZvZ is her weakest MU and those guys can just win win in it sometimes. In terms of macro play, ZvT, ZvP etc, Scarlett is miles ahead of True or Guru. Lol wtf ZvZ is her best matchup and, yes, you cant win everytime/every MU using fancy builds. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On February 27 2018 07:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Upsets only help her on Korean soil. False Korean defeats false foreigner The irony is real | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On February 27 2018 08:31 Shellshock wrote: if a Foreigner Korean beats a Korean Foreigner like TRUE vs Scarlett, what does it mean about the gap? i need to know which way its opening/closing Even the most foreign of koreans can beat the most korean foreigner | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On February 27 2018 10:22 juicyjames wrote: Any recommended matches? Maru vs Stats Game 3 | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
Maru vs PtitDrogo Game 2. Closest game I have seen in years. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On February 27 2018 10:22 juicyjames wrote: Any recommended matches? I thought Maru vs Stats was pretty good. | ||
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engesser1
264 Posts
On February 27 2018 11:18 usopsama wrote: Maru vs PtitDrogo Game 2. Closest game I have seen in years. you kidding, right? closest to what? | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
Closest to what he wants every single foreigner vs korean game to be | ||
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engesser1
264 Posts
On February 27 2018 14:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Closest to what he wants every single foreigner vs korean game to be 12/10 oh snap | ||
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jarodtou
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Edit: fuck wrong thread | ||
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