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On March 26 2017 21:30 VengefulTree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2017 21:23 Elentos wrote:On March 26 2017 21:20 VengefulTree wrote:On March 26 2017 21:17 Poopi wrote:On March 26 2017 21:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Sigh...
just complete and total disappointment in every way.
Why aren't you for Stats? soO is washed up whereas Stats is the new topdog around :o Because he is as inspiring as ramen? He is crazy good obviously, but there is nothing interesting about him. Still very happy for him, he deserves it. Someone who has given it his all in progaming for over 7 years, steadily improving but without ever winning anything, finally won his first big title. Now I don't know what you have in your ramen, but I'm usually not nearly as inspired by a bowl of noodles as I am by the story of Stats' career. I agree the storyline is great, he seem like a great guy and I'm genuinely happy that he won. His gameplay just does nothing for me. I have trouble finding pleasure in protoss victories (unless I dislike the losing player), and adepts + the Rain-esque style just make it even harder to cheer for him. The TL writers said it best : "He is unenthusiastic and methodical, clean but oftentimes uninspiring."
Full disclosure here that I cheer for soO but I totally agree with you said. Stats is great guy. Solid player and as Stats said himself a happy programer. But his style is just boring. It really took me by surprise with a cheese on Echo that he did (kind of Has-ish, like 5% of Has). But then, same old same old. Also, after he won, he didn't show much emotion and he said on the interview he felt nothing. I was like "Seriously?". Imagine what soO would show if he finally won.
Make no mistake, Stats won fair and square and he deserved it.
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On March 26 2017 21:31 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2017 21:30 VengefulTree wrote:On March 26 2017 21:23 Elentos wrote:On March 26 2017 21:20 VengefulTree wrote:On March 26 2017 21:17 Poopi wrote:On March 26 2017 21:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Sigh...
just complete and total disappointment in every way.
Why aren't you for Stats? soO is washed up whereas Stats is the new topdog around :o Because he is as inspiring as ramen? He is crazy good obviously, but there is nothing interesting about him. Still very happy for him, he deserves it. Someone who has given it his all in progaming for over 7 years, steadily improving but without ever winning anything, finally won his first big title. Now I don't know what you have in your ramen, but I'm usually not nearly as inspired by a bowl of noodles as I am by the story of Stats' career. I agree the storyline is great, he seem like a great guy and I'm genuinely happy that he won. His gameplay just does nothing for me. I have trouble finding pleasure in protoss victories (unless I dislike the losing player), and adepts + the Rain-esque style just make it even harder to cheer for him. The TL writers said it best : "He is unenthusiastic and methodical, clean but oftentimes uninspiring." then who's an interesting player for you?
Aggressive players, creative players, micro-oriented players. Maru, SoS, Life, Parting, Polt ... It's a personal thing, I agree that someone like Lilbow winning by blinking everygame was super dumb and that Stats is a much more "objectively" interesting and intelligent player, but it just was much more fun.
I think the two main things are
1. Protoss wins have a tendency to feel cheap even when they're deserved. This might be due to design, or to our own expectations and bias against toss.
2. Rain-esque, clean and perfect wins have a tendency to feel cheap even when they're deserved, at least for me. Aggressive playstyles are just more entertaining, exciting and shiny. It feels like those players really seize their victories.
(Now I realize there are flaws in this argument considering Stats was aggressive in almost all the games today, but that's mostly the adept meta. I think the core of the argument still stands)
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Ya know, sometimes you just gotta ask yourself why do you care so much about some guy half way around the world losing in a video game. I really shouldn't, but goddamn I am really torn up for soO. I didn't actually think he'd win, but I'm still depressed
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On March 26 2017 21:38 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Ya know, sometimes you just gotta ask yourself why do you care so much about some guy half way around the world losing in a video game. I really shouldn't, but goddamn I am really torn up for soO. I didn't actually think he'd win, but I'm still depressed
Because you are a human being with empathy.
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On March 26 2017 21:40 RaFox17 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2017 21:38 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Ya know, sometimes you just gotta ask yourself why do you care so much about some guy half way around the world losing in a video game. I really shouldn't, but goddamn I am really torn up for soO. I didn't actually think he'd win, but I'm still depressed Because you are a human being with empathy.
SGKT and empathy in the same sentence ? :>
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On March 26 2017 21:26 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2017 21:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Is P the most decorated race in GSL now ? Still Terran.
Terran won 8 code S+open season, protoss 9, zerg 10.
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On March 26 2017 21:42 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2017 21:26 Elentos wrote:On March 26 2017 21:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Is P the most decorated race in GSL now ? Still Terran. Terran won 8 code S+open season, protoss 9, zerg 10.
Thank you Sniper.
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On March 26 2017 21:38 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Ya know, sometimes you just gotta ask yourself why do you care so much about some guy half way around the world losing in a video game. I really shouldn't, but goddamn I am really torn up for soO. I didn't actually think he'd win, but I'm still depressed
Man, feel the same way  . I always think about how he felt after he lost and standing there on the stage and tried to kind of crack a smile for the TV. People say third time's the charm but this is his fifth ones already. I just wish before he retires he will at least have the taste of big tournament victory for once.
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On March 26 2017 21:38 VengefulTree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2017 21:31 Charoisaur wrote:On March 26 2017 21:30 VengefulTree wrote:On March 26 2017 21:23 Elentos wrote:On March 26 2017 21:20 VengefulTree wrote:On March 26 2017 21:17 Poopi wrote:On March 26 2017 21:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Sigh...
just complete and total disappointment in every way.
Why aren't you for Stats? soO is washed up whereas Stats is the new topdog around :o Because he is as inspiring as ramen? He is crazy good obviously, but there is nothing interesting about him. Still very happy for him, he deserves it. Someone who has given it his all in progaming for over 7 years, steadily improving but without ever winning anything, finally won his first big title. Now I don't know what you have in your ramen, but I'm usually not nearly as inspired by a bowl of noodles as I am by the story of Stats' career. I agree the storyline is great, he seem like a great guy and I'm genuinely happy that he won. His gameplay just does nothing for me. I have trouble finding pleasure in protoss victories (unless I dislike the losing player), and adepts + the Rain-esque style just make it even harder to cheer for him. The TL writers said it best : "He is unenthusiastic and methodical, clean but oftentimes uninspiring." then who's an interesting player for you? Aggressive players, creative players, micro-oriented players. Maru, SoS, Life, Parting, Polt ... It's a personal thing, I agree that someone like Lilbow winning by blinking everygame was super dumb and that Stats is a much more "objectively" interesting and intelligent player, but it just was much more fun. I think the two main things are 1. Protoss wins have a tendency to feel cheap even when they're deserved. This might be due to design, or to our own expectations and bias against toss. 2. Rain-esque, clean and perfect wins have a tendency to feel cheap even when they're deserved, at least for me. Aggressive playstyles are just more entertaining, exciting and shiny. It feels like those players really seize their victories. (Now I realize there are flaws in this argument considering Stats was aggressive in almost all the games today, but that's mostly the adept meta. I think the core of the argument still stands)
I think that is also one of the reasons why we have less protoss players in ladder
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On March 26 2017 21:42 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2017 21:26 Elentos wrote:On March 26 2017 21:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Is P the most decorated race in GSL now ? Still Terran. Terran won 8 code S+open season, protoss 9, zerg 10.
Confirmed by Poopi, Mvp only won 3 GSLs
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i think it's kind of stupid to gauge how much people deserve victory by how they react emotionally
kinda like criticizing someone for how they grieve - everyone does things in their own way
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On March 26 2017 21:43 RaFox17 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2017 21:42 Poopi wrote:On March 26 2017 21:26 Elentos wrote:On March 26 2017 21:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Is P the most decorated race in GSL now ? Still Terran. Terran won 8 code S+open season, protoss 9, zerg 10. Thank you Sniper.
If we count Super Tournament (Polt), World Championship (Mvp), Global Championship (Zest) it's 10-10-10.
Counting Invitational as well it's 13 for T, 13 for Z and 12 for P, and counting code A as well it's 16T, 13P, 15Z.
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On March 26 2017 21:38 VengefulTree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2017 21:31 Charoisaur wrote:On March 26 2017 21:30 VengefulTree wrote:On March 26 2017 21:23 Elentos wrote:On March 26 2017 21:20 VengefulTree wrote:On March 26 2017 21:17 Poopi wrote:On March 26 2017 21:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Sigh...
just complete and total disappointment in every way.
Why aren't you for Stats? soO is washed up whereas Stats is the new topdog around :o Because he is as inspiring as ramen? He is crazy good obviously, but there is nothing interesting about him. Still very happy for him, he deserves it. Someone who has given it his all in progaming for over 7 years, steadily improving but without ever winning anything, finally won his first big title. Now I don't know what you have in your ramen, but I'm usually not nearly as inspired by a bowl of noodles as I am by the story of Stats' career. I agree the storyline is great, he seem like a great guy and I'm genuinely happy that he won. His gameplay just does nothing for me. I have trouble finding pleasure in protoss victories (unless I dislike the losing player), and adepts + the Rain-esque style just make it even harder to cheer for him. The TL writers said it best : "He is unenthusiastic and methodical, clean but oftentimes uninspiring." then who's an interesting player for you? Aggressive players, creative players, micro-oriented players. Maru, SoS, Life, Parting, Polt ... It's a personal thing, I agree that someone like Lilbow winning by blinking everygame was super dumb and that Stats is a much more "objectively" interesting and intelligent player, but it just was much more fun. I think the two main things are 1. Protoss wins have a tendency to feel cheap even when they're deserved. This might be due to design, or to our own expectations and bias against toss. 2. Rain-esque, clean and perfect wins have a tendency to feel cheap even when they're deserved, at least for me. Aggressive playstyles are just more entertaining, exciting and shiny. It feels like those players really seize their victories. (Now I realize there are flaws in this argument considering Stats was aggressive in almost all the games today, but that's mostly the adept meta. I think the core of the argument still stands)
Well this is LotV not HotS, if you be too aggressive in the early game and gain nothing (which will highly likely happens), your deficit snowball will growing bigger much faster and there is no way for you to comeback like HotS, so even sOs has to play more standard openings. Also don't forget the pylon change which will probably affect no one but sOs.
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On March 26 2017 21:46 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2017 21:42 Poopi wrote:On March 26 2017 21:26 Elentos wrote:On March 26 2017 21:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Is P the most decorated race in GSL now ? Still Terran. Terran won 8 code S+open season, protoss 9, zerg 10. Confirmed by Poopi, Mvp only won 3 GSLs
3 actual code S ones, yes 
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On March 26 2017 21:35 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2017 21:31 Charoisaur wrote:On March 26 2017 21:30 VengefulTree wrote:On March 26 2017 21:23 Elentos wrote:On March 26 2017 21:20 VengefulTree wrote:On March 26 2017 21:17 Poopi wrote:On March 26 2017 21:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Sigh...
just complete and total disappointment in every way.
Why aren't you for Stats? soO is washed up whereas Stats is the new topdog around :o Because he is as inspiring as ramen? He is crazy good obviously, but there is nothing interesting about him. Still very happy for him, he deserves it. Someone who has given it his all in progaming for over 7 years, steadily improving but without ever winning anything, finally won his first big title. Now I don't know what you have in your ramen, but I'm usually not nearly as inspired by a bowl of noodles as I am by the story of Stats' career. I agree the storyline is great, he seem like a great guy and I'm genuinely happy that he won. His gameplay just does nothing for me. I have trouble finding pleasure in protoss victories (unless I dislike the losing player), and adepts + the Rain-esque style just make it even harder to cheer for him. The TL writers said it best : "He is unenthusiastic and methodical, clean but oftentimes uninspiring." then who's an interesting player for you? hyvaa :D
sniper
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Counting just code S (so no super tournament, no code A, no world championship, no invitational) I count 8.
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On March 26 2017 21:53 Poopi wrote:Counting just code S (so no super tournament, no code A, no world championship, no invitational) I count 8.
Why you count open seasons then?
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On March 26 2017 21:48 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2017 21:43 RaFox17 wrote:On March 26 2017 21:42 Poopi wrote:On March 26 2017 21:26 Elentos wrote:On March 26 2017 21:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Is P the most decorated race in GSL now ? Still Terran. Terran won 8 code S+open season, protoss 9, zerg 10. Thank you Sniper. If we count Super Tournament (Polt), World Championship (Mvp), Global Championship (Zest) it's 10-10-10. Counting Invitational as well it's 13 for T, 13 for Z and 12 for P, and counting code A as well it's 16T, 13P, 15Z.
then why you don't count Blizzard cup?
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