I will say it now, do not rule out Ryung, I have seen him beat INnovation a few times on ladder recently and he has the moves, if he can counter Maru's doom drop play it will be a close match!
I like both herO and sOs so i don't any favorite player
And for the last quarter final let see if Ryung is able to beat Maru (TvT could be very surprising). But if Ryung is the last remaining terran, it's not really dangerous for Stats the terran killer!!
I bet on Maru and herO but i was totally wrong about Inno and TY so wait and see...
sOs 3-1 herO sOs will win the first 2 games with a double proxy gateway hidden in herO's base. herO will win game 3 with a build order victory when he goes for fast DTs against sOs's lack of detection. sOs will close out the series when he sniffs out and defends against herO's blink stalker all-in.
On February 25 2017 01:03 Boggyb wrote: sOs 3-1 herO sOs will win the first 2 games with a double proxy gateway hidden in herO's base. herO will win game 3 with a build order victory when he goes for fast DTs against sOs's lack of detection. sOs will close out the series when he sniffs out and defends against herO's blink stalker all-in.
That's called history repeats itself, not interesting. How about herO proxy gateway twice and failed, then sOs' DT rush failed, finally sOs win with blink all-in? Still we will get a 3-1 win for sOs
On February 25 2017 01:03 Boggyb wrote: sOs 3-1 herO sOs will win the first 2 games with a double proxy gateway hidden in herO's base. herO will win game 3 with a build order victory when he goes for fast DTs against sOs's lack of detection. sOs will close out the series when he sniffs out and defends against herO's blink stalker all-in.
That's called history repeats itself, not interesting. How about herO proxy gateway twice and failed, then sOs' DT rush failed, finally sOs win with blink all-in? Still we will get a 3-1 win for sOs
While I agree that games 3 and 4 in my prediction would be kind of boring, it would the height of SC2 hilarity if sOs once again beat herO with the same cheese twice in a row.
Can someone tell me please, why most people think sOs will win against herO?
Did you guys seen sOs in Ro.32 and Ro.16? Every Game i watched him in the last weeks was soooo bad, it's a wonder he advanced to the playoffs. HerO on the other side plays extremely well in all of his games so far.
On February 25 2017 02:06 Malgo wrote: Can someone tell me please, why most people think sOs will win against herO?
Did you guys seen sOs in Ro.32 and Ro.16? Every Game i watched him in the last weeks was soooo bad, it's a wonder he advanced to the playoffs. HerO on the other side plays extremely well in all of his games so far.
i go and say 3:0 or 3:1 for herO
Maru will also 3:0 or 3:1 Ryung
sOs has a history of embarrassing herO is big matches hehe.
herO looks more crisp right now, but if they both play at their peaks sOs is the winner. sOs is one of the few players that can really switch it on sometimes
edit: I think Maru and sOs should take it, but its just as likely to go either way as TY-soO and Stats-Inno. Ryung take games of anyone in a TvT, and sOs form is shaky.
On February 25 2017 02:06 Malgo wrote: Can someone tell me please, why most people think sOs will win against herO?
Did you guys seen sOs in Ro.32 and Ro.16? Every Game i watched him in the last weeks was soooo bad, it's a wonder he advanced to the playoffs. HerO on the other side plays extremely well in all of his games so far.
i go and say 3:0 or 3:1 for herO
Maru will also 3:0 or 3:1 Ryung
sOs has a history of embarrassing herO is big matches hehe.
herO looks more crisp right now, but if they both play at their peaks sOs is the winner. sOs is one of the few players that can really switch it on sometimes
edit: I think Maru and sOs should take it, but its just as likely to go either way as TY-soO and Stats-Inno. Ryung take games of anyone in a TvT, and sOs form is shaky.
Basically this. sOs obviously has a lot of really weird builds, whether or not they're optimal is up for debate but I think sOs can squeak out 3 wins vs herO before herO adapts or figures him out
On February 25 2017 02:06 Malgo wrote: Can someone tell me please, why most people think sOs will win against herO?
Did you guys seen sOs in Ro.32 and Ro.16? Every Game i watched him in the last weeks was soooo bad, it's a wonder he advanced to the playoffs. HerO on the other side plays extremely well in all of his games so far.
i go and say 3:0 or 3:1 for herO
Maru will also 3:0 or 3:1 Ryung
sOs has a history of embarrassing herO is big matches hehe.
herO looks more crisp right now, but if they both play at their peaks sOs is the winner. sOs is one of the few players that can really switch it on sometimes
edit: I think Maru and sOs should take it, but its just as likely to go either way as TY-soO and Stats-Inno. Ryung take games of anyone in a TvT, and sOs form is shaky.
before herO adapts or figures him out
herO's idea of adapting to an opponent is not scouting his main after losing 2 games in a row to the same proxy gate.
edit: fun fact, according to aligulac sOs has faced herO in four bo5+ series in premier tournaments, and won every time (3-1, 4-1, 3-2, 3-0). he then went on to win $230K in total from those tournaments.
On February 25 2017 02:06 Malgo wrote: Can someone tell me please, why most people think sOs will win against herO?
Did you guys seen sOs in Ro.32 and Ro.16? Every Game i watched him in the last weeks was soooo bad, it's a wonder he advanced to the playoffs. HerO on the other side plays extremely well in all of his games so far.
i go and say 3:0 or 3:1 for herO
Maru will also 3:0 or 3:1 Ryung
sOs has a history of embarrassing herO is big matches hehe.
herO looks more crisp right now, but if they both play at their peaks sOs is the winner. sOs is one of the few players that can really switch it on sometimes
edit: I think Maru and sOs should take it, but its just as likely to go either way as TY-soO and Stats-Inno. Ryung take games of anyone in a TvT, and sOs form is shaky.
before herO adapts or figures him out
herO's idea of adapting to an opponent is not scouting his main after losing 2 games in a row to the same proxy gate.
edit: fun fact, according to aligulac sOs has faced herO in four bo5+ series in premier tournaments, and won every time (3-1, 4-1, 3-2, 3-0). he then went on to win $230K in total from those tournaments.
And that's why herO is not a top tier PvPer. sOs made him forever living under the shadow of La Cucaracha.
On February 25 2017 01:03 Boggyb wrote: sOs 3-1 herO sOs will win the first 2 games with a double proxy gateway hidden in herO's base. herO will win game 3 with a build order victory when he goes for fast DTs against sOs's lack of detection. sOs will close out the series when he sniffs out and defends against herO's blink stalker all-in.
That's called history repeats itself, not interesting. How about herO proxy gateway twice and failed, then sOs' DT rush failed, finally sOs win with blink all-in? Still we will get a 3-1 win for sOs
While I agree that games 3 and 4 in my prediction would be kind of boring, it would the height of SC2 hilarity if sOs once again beat herO with the same cheese twice in a row.
Then little herO probably has to retire right after that because his mental health will be destroyed completely. Overall he is a good player, I don't want to see such situation happens.
On February 25 2017 08:29 Shellshock wrote: on one hand I want the double jin air win but on the other hand maru vs sos will probably be a shitty semi
they aren't on the same side of the bracket bud. winner of the tvt plays Stats, and winner of pvp plays soO
oh well that's good. didnt even bother looking. i just assumed we were doing the quarters by halves. now I remember they were in the same ro16 group so they couldnt have even been on the same half D:
I've never assumed sOs to be fundamentally a stronger player than HerO in the general sense. That said in PvP it seems more of a tossup. HerO's standard play is stronger but sOs seems better in longer series and against standard play in ]General. Not to mention the previous history of these two players. I think it will be a close series at the very least (rooting for 3-2 HerO).
On February 25 2017 12:47 KingofdaHipHop wrote: First day of new job is over and I get to unwind with GSL. Let's get some great games, love all these players (but herO just a little bit more)
On February 25 2017 13:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Could you imagine traveling all the way to Korea and going to a GSL... and Tastosis isn't there casting?
On February 25 2017 13:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Could you imagine traveling all the way to Korea and going to a GSL... and Tastosis isn't there casting?
You get to hear Korean cast, you can always hear tastosis at home anyways.
On February 25 2017 13:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Could you imagine traveling all the way to Korea and going to a GSL... and Tastosis isn't there casting?
You get to hear Korean cast, you can always hear tastosis at home anyways.
They used to give out radios to hear the English cast. Not sure if they still do.
On February 25 2017 13:26 stuchiu wrote: I feel so disgusted there is no proxy 2gate in PvP anymore.
lotv killed the S in RTS
Nah strategy is still well alive, I got 3 gate proxi dt yesterday. And by proxi I mean he literally build the dark shrine, the Twilight and the 3 gates at my 3rth
On February 25 2017 13:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Just got here. In what way did sOs cheese out herO in the first two games?
hero cannon rushed g1 and did nothing with it. g2 was phenoix v pheonix but hero gave up halfway through for blink and ran his 5 phenoix into sOs 8 and jsut got roflstomped from there
On February 25 2017 13:47 geokilla wrote: If they want foreigners to watch and support the Korean league, maybe we should get some ads targeted to the English audience...
On February 25 2017 13:47 geokilla wrote: If they want foreigners to watch and support the Korean league, maybe we should get some ads targeted to the English audience...
Fuck that. These ads are better.
Yeah, I'd love it if I only got served Japanese and Korean ads.
On February 25 2017 13:47 geokilla wrote: If they want foreigners to watch and support the Korean league, maybe we should get some ads targeted to the English audience...
On February 25 2017 14:18 Comedy wrote: this result really blows,
sOs is so bad at anything except pvp and being tricky/gimmicky , he's just gonna get stomped on by soO, hero vs soo woulda been much cooler
ehh it does seem that way based on both their historical encounters and recent form.
Still, you should also know by now that sOs is one of those rare players with a real X-factor like Taeja, Life and Mvp. He could totally knock out soO.
Now that herO is out, there is a grand total of 0 people that are both in IEM Katowice Ro24 and GSL Ro4. Though Stats is in the Ro64, the greedy bastard.
Wheres the archon? Valdez is ok but I can't stand the other guy. Tries so hard to be like the archon and talks so much shit without the charisma and likability to back it up.
On February 25 2017 14:54 vol_ wrote: Wheres the archon? Valdez is ok but I can't stand the other guy. Tries so hard to be like the archon and talks so much shit without the charisma to back it up.
On February 25 2017 14:54 vol_ wrote: Wheres the archon? Valdez is ok but I can't stand the other guy. Tries so hard to be like the archon and talks so much shit without the charisma to back it up.
On February 25 2017 14:54 vol_ wrote: Wheres the archon? Valdez is ok but I can't stand the other guy. Tries so hard to be like the archon and talks so much shit without the charisma to back it up.
they took an early flight to Katowice
Oh I assumed they were casting the ASL thing later today. My bad.
On February 25 2017 14:54 vol_ wrote: Wheres the archon? Valdez is ok but I can't stand the other guy. Tries so hard to be like the archon and talks so much shit without the charisma and likability to back it up.
On February 25 2017 15:12 aaronlolol wrote: So the splash info on the first post says Tastosis is casting this. They are not. Where can I find these casters :O
I feel we are in the most random era of SC2. There's so many gimicks in the game that even the best players can lose out on a bad day, which leads to results that defy logic, like Byun and Solar going out in the Ro32, and players like TY, Inno, and Maru going out in the Ro8, when they could have gone all the way to the finals. Player skill just fluctuates too much. Someone can be the best player in the world one week and a mid-tier player the next.
On February 25 2017 15:17 Solar424 wrote: I feel we are in the most random era of SC2. There's so many gimicks in the game that even the best players can lose out on a bad day, which leads to results that defy logic, like Byun and Solar going out in the Ro32, and players like TY, Inno, and Maru going out in the Ro8, when they could have gone all the way to the finals. Player skill just fluctuates too much. Someone can be the best player in the world one week and a mid-tier player the next.
SCII in previous years wasn't any less random tbh.
On February 25 2017 15:17 Solar424 wrote: I feel we are in the most random era of SC2. There's so many gimicks in the game that even the best players can lose out on a bad day, which leads to results that defy logic, like Byun and Solar going out in the Ro32, and players like TY and Inno going out in the Ro8, when they could have gone all the way to the finals. Player skill just fluctuates too much. Someone can be the best player in the world one week and a mid-tier palyer the next.
I don't remember Solar, but ByuN losing is exactly how I'd imagine he'd lose.
TY losing is exactly how I'd imagine he'd lose.
Inno losing is exactly how I'd imagine he'd lose.
Basically those 3 upsets in particular happened exactly how I'd have predicted them to happen if I was asked for a scenario in which all 3 could lose out to those particular opponents.
On February 25 2017 15:17 Solar424 wrote: I feel we are in the most random era of SC2. There's so many gimicks in the game that even the best players can lose out on a bad day, which leads to results that defy logic, like Byun and Solar going out in the Ro32, and players like TY, Inno, and Maru going out in the Ro8, when they could have gone all the way to the finals. Player skill just fluctuates too much. Someone can be the best player in the world one week and a mid-tier player the next.
I too have never seen a good player lose a match I expected him to win.
On February 25 2017 15:17 Solar424 wrote: I feel we are in the most random era of SC2. There's so many gimicks in the game that even the best players can lose out on a bad day, which leads to results that defy logic, like Byun and Solar going out in the Ro32, and players like TY, Inno, and Maru going out in the Ro8, when they could have gone all the way to the finals. Player skill just fluctuates too much. Someone can be the best player in the world one week and a mid-tier player the next.
terran is the worst race, losing to all 3 races in the quarters
On February 25 2017 15:17 Solar424 wrote: I feel we are in the most random era of SC2. There's so many gimicks in the game that even the best players can lose out on a bad day, which leads to results that defy logic, like Byun and Solar going out in the Ro32, and players like TY and Inno going out in the Ro8, when they could have gone all the way to the finals. Player skill just fluctuates too much. Someone can be the best player in the world one week and a mid-tier palyer the next.
I don't remember Solar, but ByuN losing is exactly how I'd imagine he'd lose.
On February 25 2017 15:17 Solar424 wrote: I feel we are in the most random era of SC2. There's so many gimicks in the game that even the best players can lose out on a bad day, which leads to results that defy logic, like Byun and Solar going out in the Ro32, and players like TY, Inno, and Maru going out in the Ro8, when they could have gone all the way to the finals. Player skill just fluctuates too much. Someone can be the best player in the world one week and a mid-tier player the next.
I too have never seen a good player lose a match I expected him to win.
On February 25 2017 15:17 Solar424 wrote: I feel we are in the most random era of SC2. There's so many gimicks in the game that even the best players can lose out on a bad day, which leads to results that defy logic, like Byun and Solar going out in the Ro32, and players like TY, Inno, and Maru going out in the Ro8, when they could have gone all the way to the finals. Player skill just fluctuates too much. Someone can be the best player in the world one week and a mid-tier player the next.
I too have never seen a good player lose a match I expected him to win.
On February 25 2017 15:17 Solar424 wrote: I feel we are in the most random era of SC2. There's so many gimicks in the game that even the best players can lose out on a bad day, which leads to results that defy logic, like Byun and Solar going out in the Ro32, and players like TY and Inno going out in the Ro8, when they could have gone all the way to the finals. Player skill just fluctuates too much. Someone can be the best player in the world one week and a mid-tier palyer the next.
I don't remember Solar, but ByuN losing is exactly how I'd imagine he'd lose.
TY losing is exactly how I'd imagine he'd lose.
Inno losing is exactly how I'd imagine he'd lose.
how do you imagine maru loses?
Maru will try to play a standard game against Ryung because he thinks he's better without realizing a standard game emphasizes Ryungs strengths of positioning and strategy.
On February 25 2017 15:17 Solar424 wrote: I feel we are in the most random era of SC2. There's so many gimicks in the game that even the best players can lose out on a bad day, which leads to results that defy logic, like Byun and Solar going out in the Ro32, and players like TY and Inno going out in the Ro8, when they could have gone all the way to the finals. Player skill just fluctuates too much. Someone can be the best player in the world one week and a mid-tier palyer the next.
I don't remember Solar, but ByuN losing is exactly how I'd imagine he'd lose.
TY losing is exactly how I'd imagine he'd lose.
Inno losing is exactly how I'd imagine he'd lose.
how do you imagine maru loses?
Maru will try to play a standard game against Ryung because he thinks he's better without realizing a standard game emphasizes Ryungs strengths of positioning and strategy.
he's still a true 2 raxxer in the heart. He simply can't play proper macro
ByuN lost to Ryung because he couldn't pure mechanic against Ryung and choked (And ByuN is a fucking choker)
TY lost cause he is shit at series prep while soO is great. He got surprised by the constant changes of all-ins and strategies and got overwhelmed.
INnoVation lost because he was unable to stop Stats from taking it to a tactical/strategic game which has always been INnoVation's weakness and he got outplayed.
On February 25 2017 15:25 negativedge wrote: rapid would be fine if he decided to breathe every now and then instead of filling every possible second with everything that entered his mind
Maru FINALLY playing a proper game. Please Maru, just cover your bases and do what you do best. The reverse sweep is yours..... and of course, Stats awaits you, so please win this so that we can see your epic TvP as it was in years gone by (AKA Hots gosu TvP).
On February 25 2017 15:28 Togekiss wrote: Maru FINALLY playing a proper game. Please Maru, just cover your bases and do what you do best. The reverse sweep is yours..... and of course, Stats awaits you, so please win this so that we can see your epic TvP as it was in years gone by (AKA Hots gosu TvP).
On February 25 2017 15:29 starkiller123 wrote: Rapid really bothered me the first couple times but now it's fine, tbh it is kinda nice to hear something other than Tastosis now and again
people need time to get used to "new" things. Team Salmon used to annoy the hell out of me but now I miss them
On February 25 2017 15:31 Argonauta wrote: Can anyone explain why maru is playing so poorly today? He looks so bad it seems Ryung is playing both sides
On February 25 2017 15:31 Argonauta wrote: Can anyone explain why maru is playing so poorly today? He looks so bad it seems Ryung is playing both sides
Why are you going on the battle.net forums? Do you hate yourself?
Twitch chat won't stop linking it. And to be honest, I'm having way more fun seeing people bitch about the casting then actually listening to the cast.
Why are you going on the battle.net forums? Do you hate yourself?
Twitch chat won't stop linking it. And to be honest, I'm having way more fun seeing people bitch about the casting then actually listening to the cast.
Why are you going on Twitch chat? Do you hate yourself?
On February 25 2017 15:39 Nakajin wrote: God tvt is being ignore for crickets, how far has we fell
Cricket 2.5billion fans. SC2 10k fans.
It's cool.
As a good north american I am proud to find every sport we don't play silly and lose my shit when other don't know the sports we are the only one to play.
I'm happy GSL setup this showmatch where we send one of the best players of today against an above average player from 2011 to show how much more skilled the era is.
In a much more serious comment, Ryung has always been great in TvT.
The only things worse than Maru's play tonight are the casters of said game. Holy shit i'll never turn on volume again if either of these two are casting a game of any type.
On February 25 2017 15:50 stuchiu wrote: I'm happy GSL setup this showmatch where we send one of the best players of today against an above average player from 2011 to show how much more skilled the era is.
In a much more serious comment, Ryung has always been great in TvT.
Any Terran would have beaten Maru with how poorly he played today. Not to take anything from Ryung who played very well, but that was not the Maru people expected to see.
On February 25 2017 15:50 stuchiu wrote: I'm happy GSL setup this showmatch where we send one of the best players of today against an above average player from 2011 to show how much more skilled the era is.
In a much more serious comment, Ryung has always been great in TvT.
Any Terran would have beaten Maru with how poorly he played today. Not to take anything from Ryung who played very well, but that was not the Maru people expected to see.
On February 25 2017 15:50 stuchiu wrote: I'm happy GSL setup this showmatch where we send one of the best players of today against an above average player from 2011 to show how much more skilled the era is.
it's almost like you should write some some obscure niche website. Possibly in a top 15 list format with an additional 3 when pressure gets too much
On February 25 2017 15:50 stuchiu wrote: I'm happy GSL setup this showmatch where we send one of the best players of today against an above average player from 2011 to show how much more skilled the era is.
In a much more serious comment, Ryung has always been great in TvT.
Any Terran would have beaten Maru with how poorly he played today. Not to take anything from Ryung who played very well, but that was not the Maru people expected to see.
I'll give you that Maru doesn't break until ro4 usually.
Problem is Ryung didnt outplay maru at all but in game 4, which was an amazing mistake by Maru again. He's only chance is to expect big mistakes from Stats again, but hey it may happen.
can see it now ryung about to make it to the GSL finals for the first time has PTSD flash back to 2012 were sniper beats him and blows a 3-0 lead and loses 4-3 to stats
On February 25 2017 15:57 Carminedust wrote: can see it now ryung about to make it to the GSL finals for the first time has PTSD flash back to 2012 were sniper beats him and blows a 3-0 lead and loses 4-3 to stats
On February 25 2017 15:57 Carminedust wrote: can see it now ryung about to make it to the GSL finals for the first time has PTSD flash back to 2012 were sniper beats him and blows a 3-0 lead and loses 4-3 to stats
Adepted 4 games in a row. Make it so.
Whatever can cause Ryung to have flash backs to BroodLord/infestor !!!!!
Im still shocked about that series, How could Maru play so poorly after his ro16? i feel like that his opponent was Ryung didnt matter, he just lost due his big diamond league mistakes.
I think sOs is the only one who can stop Stats right now. I just don't see Stats losing a bo5/bo7 against Ryung or soO. Then I hope for a pvp finals so the finals won't be as onesided and soO doesn't get a 5th silver medal.
But a Ryung vs soO gsl finals would be pretty hype too
On February 25 2017 19:11 VavPK wrote: Maybe people will quit overhyping Maru, it's getting old. Glad the better player made it out today, I wish herO made it as well though.
On February 25 2017 19:39 imre wrote: Hello at all those who told me Maru was gonna crush Ryung
But you said he was gonna win with positioning in spite of doom drops. Not that he's gonna win with doom drops. And Maru going for the "Throw of the Century" award.
On February 25 2017 19:39 imre wrote: Hello at all those who told me Maru was gonna crush Ryung
But you said he was gonna win with positioning in spite of doom drops. Not that he's gonna win because of doom drops. And Maru going for the "Throw of the Century" award.
Throw of the century? Even though that Has game happened?
On February 25 2017 19:11 VavPK wrote: Maybe people will quit overhyping Maru, it's getting old. Glad the better player made it out today, I wish herO made it as well though.
NEVER! Maru is a god
Yeah! Maru is absolutely unique in that how he plays doesn't affect how good people think he is
On February 25 2017 19:39 imre wrote: Hello at all those who told me Maru was gonna crush Ryung
But you said he was gonna win with positioning in spite of doom drops. Not that he's gonna win with doom drops. And Maru going for the "Throw of the Century" award.
I said he was better now that positionning is more relevant than during the tankivac era. However doom dropping is still the best way. It was really that bad of a TvT ?
On February 25 2017 19:39 imre wrote: Hello at all those who told me Maru was gonna crush Ryung
But you said he was gonna win with positioning in spite of doom drops. Not that he's gonna win because of doom drops. And Maru going for the "Throw of the Century" award.
Throw of the century? Even though that Has game happened?
He tried.
Also it was Has. He doesn't know what to do if a game goes past 10 minutes. Of course he wouldn't know what to spend all his money from his free 5 bases on, I didn't expect much more of him. But I'd expect Maru to know that if the only way you can lose the game is to leave 10 tanks to die unsieged across the map, you better not do that.
On February 25 2017 19:39 imre wrote: Hello at all those who told me Maru was gonna crush Ryung
But you said he was gonna win with positioning in spite of doom drops. Not that he's gonna win because of doom drops. And Maru going for the "Throw of the Century" award.
Throw of the century? Even though that Has game happened?
He tried.
Also it was Has. He doesn't know what to do if a game goes past 10 minutes. Of course he wouldn't know what to spend all his money from his free 5 bases on, I didn't expect much more of him. But I'd expect Maru to know that if the only way you can lose the game is to leave 10 tanks to die unsieged across the map, you better not do that.
On February 25 2017 19:53 The_Red_Viper wrote: He played very well overall the last few weeks. A ro8 loss in the GSL doesn't change that Because if we go there Byun is pretty bad
ByuN ladders on an account called ByuNuPRGNANT, I feel like that makes up for his poor GSL result. Also what could he possibly do, he was in a group with not one but 2 GSL semifinalists?
Yeah this is a bit of a weird season. No Ro16 group winner advances past the Ro8. sOs who couldn't have complained if he went out in the Ro32 is now top 4. Ryung was gonna be in the group of death in the Ro16, instead, TY saved him and now here he is in the top 4.
On February 25 2017 20:14 i-MajiN wrote: I didn't expect that Ryung won... but this is TvT after all.
Now Stats has big chance to reach final
Poor herO sOs is really his nightmare. Was it a close serie or not (speaking of skill not result ?) herO is curse in gsl
hero lost game 1 with a failed cheese and game 2 by a mistake (losing all his phenix early to sos). The other were herO ahead in terms of macro game. Game 5 I though herO had it but somehow he threw so hard.
On February 25 2017 21:49 [PkF] Wire wrote: Very very weird season. T players trying their best not to win this GSL but this won't keep them from getting mines nerfed ^^
Rooting for soO from now on.
what are you talking about ? All the favorite Terrans are eliminated (only 1 advanced by TvT) and you are here, still complaining about wm ?
On February 25 2017 21:49 [PkF] Wire wrote: Very very weird season. T players trying their best not to win this GSL but this won't keep them from getting mines nerfed ^^
Rooting for soO from now on.
what are you talking about ? All the favorite Terrans are eliminated (only 1 advanced by TvT) and you are here, still complaining about wm ?
It's simply because Terran losing in two incredibly close sets does not mean that Terran isn't imbalanced. I mean two fairly equally skilled people can win against each other on a given day, and one race can be stronger than the other.
But regardless, soO, Stats, sOs, and Ryung are left, and they are all players who have done well in tournaments but have never won a GSL before. I think it is very gratifying that this GSL will be a great storyline for anyone of this players.
I mean Ryung:Avenging his ro4 loss to finally claim the GSL sOs:Blizzcon and IEM champion finally adds the elusive GSL to his titles soO: Ultimate vindication and ending of his Kong line Stats: Out of the shadows to win his first Premier tournament
I mean these guys have never won a Starleague, but they've all come within at least a ro4 of making it.
On February 25 2017 21:49 [PkF] Wire wrote: Very very weird season. T players trying their best not to win this GSL but this won't keep them from getting mines nerfed ^^
Rooting for soO from now on.
what are you talking about ? All the favorite Terrans are eliminated (only 1 advanced by TvT) and you are here, still complaining about wm ?
I don't think that's him complaining about widow mines as much as it is him saying Blizzard are gonna nerf them no matter how the Terrans would have done.
On February 25 2017 19:39 imre wrote: Hello at all those who told me Maru was gonna crush Ryung
But you said he was gonna win with positioning in spite of doom drops. Not that he's gonna win because of doom drops. And Maru going for the "Throw of the Century" award.
Throw of the century? Even though that Has game happened?
I enoyed today's games, was really happy for Ryung that he made it through. Also quite shocked at the amount of negativity in Twitch chat during the games though. (On re-reading that last sentence, I shouldn't have been.) I'll admit I enjoy watching GSL more with Tastosis too, but there's other ways to voice your criticism. So, Rapid and Valdez: thanks for casting, but next time I would enjoy some actual analysis of the games being played.
On February 25 2017 19:39 imre wrote: Hello at all those who told me Maru was gonna crush Ryung
But you said he was gonna win with positioning in spite of doom drops. Not that he's gonna win because of doom drops. And Maru going for the "Throw of the Century" award.
Throw of the century? Even though that Has game happened?
It terms of what actually happened in game. Has was a bigger throw, he could have done anything and won but he choose to sit on 5K/5K and litterally not do anything, then suicide most of his army.
In terms of perspective, Maru's blunder was a much smaller mistake (unseigeing all his tanks at once) but cost him a lot more (he could very well have taken this GSL), wheras Has would have qualified for a cup and been knocked out straight away.
I guess it's debatable I guess which is the bigger throw
On February 25 2017 21:49 [PkF] Wire wrote: Very very weird season. T players trying their best not to win this GSL but this won't keep them from getting mines nerfed ^^
Rooting for soO from now on.
what are you talking about ? All the favorite Terrans are eliminated (only 1 advanced by TvT) and you are here, still complaining about wm ?
I don't think that's him complaining about widow mines as much as it is him saying Blizzard are gonna nerf them no matter how the Terrans would have done.
exactly this, but some people seem to be rather short-tempered here
On February 25 2017 19:39 imre wrote: Hello at all those who told me Maru was gonna crush Ryung
But you said he was gonna win with positioning in spite of doom drops. Not that he's gonna win because of doom drops. And Maru going for the "Throw of the Century" award.
Throw of the century? Even though that Has game happened?
On February 25 2017 19:39 imre wrote: Hello at all those who told me Maru was gonna crush Ryung
But you said he was gonna win with positioning in spite of doom drops. Not that he's gonna win because of doom drops. And Maru going for the "Throw of the Century" award.
Throw of the century? Even though that Has game happened?
Even though Life was a person?
they took Life's personship!?
D:
Stuchiu left the body in a ditch somewhere in Korea.
On February 25 2017 19:39 imre wrote: Hello at all those who told me Maru was gonna crush Ryung
But you said he was gonna win with positioning in spite of doom drops. Not that he's gonna win because of doom drops. And Maru going for the "Throw of the Century" award.
Throw of the century? Even though that Has game happened?
It terms of what actually happened in game. Has was a bigger throw, he could have done anything and won but he choose to sit on 5K/5K and litterally not do anything, then suicide most of his army.
In terms of perspective, Maru's blunder was a much smaller mistake (unseigeing all his tanks at once) but cost him a lot more (he could very well have taken this GSL), wheras Has would have qualified for a cup and been knocked out straight away.
I guess it's debatable I guess which is the bigger throw
On February 26 2017 00:47 The_Red_Viper wrote: Also Maru is still a god, he simply cannot win GSL. It's a curse
literally a puny god
Dunno i think overall Maru's results are amazing tbh. Especially when we add proleague as well (we should) His only failure really is that he couldn't win a GSL yet, but his results in GSL aren't bad by any means.
On February 26 2017 00:47 The_Red_Viper wrote: Also Maru is still a god, he simply cannot win GSL. It's a curse
literally a puny god
Dunno i think overall Maru's results are amazing tbh. Especially when we add proleague as well (we should) His only failure really is that he couldn't win a GSL yet, but his results in GSL aren't bad by any means.
On February 26 2017 01:11 c0sm0naut wrote: its funny how many ppl are saying stuff like "most skilled era lul" but the f2 mashers are finally losing now
Well "most skilled" is surely true. As in the total skill players have increases over time (a lot of it due to metagame development). Though if we talk about mechanical skill only i don't think that top players these days are necessarily better than top players three years ago. At least not by any meaningful margin. Like you have to practice certain things a lot to even manage to stay at the same mechanical lvl. I will use a BW example here because i watch a lot of JD's stream and iirc he even said that the muta micro simply isn't the same anymore. back in the day the zerg players trained that aspect of the game every single day for a few hours on custom maps. Now nobody does that, it's not on the same lvl anymore. Point being: Mechanical skill doesn't necessarily increase over time when we are basically at the limit what humans can do anyway. No we won't see better marine splits in the future even though that AI showed it is theoretically possible.
Oh and what i personally mean when i question the concept of most skilled era is actually the lvl of competition in general. So many top talents retired over the years, everybody capable of beating top players with enough preparation, etc. I am not even only talking about people like Parting, Rain, Soulkey, Life, Flash, Taeja. I am also talking about people like Jangbi, Effort, Last, Fantasy, etc. It's not comparable to the lvl of competition a few years ago. Some people even think the competition was more fierce back when Mvp won his titles, i disagree though. It's comparable to now though all things considered imo.
On February 26 2017 00:45 The_Red_Viper wrote: Life would have won a few korean tournaments most likely, but he would never have achieved the GOAT status because he had no health problems
I don't blame him that much for what happened there. who would think in that situation that Byul would move a drone to the island base via dropperlord? not nearly as bad as suiciding your entire army into a depot liberator tank wall when you're 2 base to 1 base.
On February 26 2017 00:45 The_Red_Viper wrote: Life would have won a few korean tournaments most likely, but he would never have achieved the GOAT status because he had no health problems
I don't blame him that much for what happened there. who would think in that situation that Byul would move a drone to the island base via dropperlord? not nearly as bad as suiciding your entire army into a depot liberator tank wall when you're 2 base to 1 base.
Well regardless, nothing beats ByuL vs Revival.
That was a throw so foul I can't even bring myself to link it
I don't blame him that much for what happened there. who would think in that situation that Byul would move a drone to the island base via dropperlord? not nearly as bad as suiciding your entire army into a depot liberator tank wall when you're 2 base to 1 base.
Well regardless, nothing beats ByuL vs Revival.
That was a throw so foul I can't even bring myself to link it
oh yeah I forgot about that that's certainly a serious contender for throw of the century.
also Zest vs TaeJa on new gettysburgh was a pretty huge throw
herO had that game vs Dark where he had almost won, then danced his army too soon and lost all of it. Dark came back for quite a while but herO still won. If he'd lost I think that would be up there
So many Dear derps posted in here. Always good to see.
I always like to think of Inno throwing his 30 to 10 scv lead against Mvp on Akilon though. Couldn't even beat a broken backed has been with that lead.
I don't blame him that much for what happened there. who would think in that situation that Byul would move a drone to the island base via dropperlord? not nearly as bad as suiciding your entire army into a depot liberator tank wall when you're 2 base to 1 base.
Dear vs Leenock (or was it roro?) where he mannered 6 nexi and lost??!
I cant belive sOs is so far in code s, i mean he is so bad this year, his games vs Nerchio were 1-6 and then Showtime came in and 6-0 Nerchio, i was like damn this sOs is trash, dude is joke. If soO dont 3-0 this guy means gsl is not so scary anymore. Stats vs soO in finals. Hope so.
On February 26 2017 20:17 sickkkciiityyy wrote: I cant belive sOs is so far in code s, i mean he is so bad this year, his games vs Nerchio were 1-6 and then Showtime came in and 6-0 Nerchio, i was like damn this sOs is trash, dude is joke. If soO dont 3-0 this guy means gsl is not so scary anymore. Stats vs soO in finals. Hope so.
IEM qualis - he tried 2x and was raped left and right Nation Wars - he came out vs Germany, lost first match and thats it, in finals vs Poland - came for 1 game and lost Then i watched how he was raped by Nerchio in some cup and next round Nerchio got 0-3 by Showtime i mean i know your a fanboy etc but i watch alooooot of SC2 and sOs is semis of code s is bad joke for me.
On February 27 2017 08:06 sickkkciiityyy wrote: IEM qualis - he tried 2x and was raped left and right Nation Wars - he came out vs Germany, lost first match and thats it, in finals vs Poland - came for 1 game and lost Then i watched how he was raped by Nerchio in some cup and next round Nerchio got 0-3 by Showtime i mean i know your a fanboy etc but i watch alooooot of SC2 and sOs is semis of code s is bad joke for me.
On February 27 2017 08:06 sickkkciiityyy wrote: IEM qualis - he tried 2x and was raped left and right Nation Wars - he came out vs Germany, lost first match and thats it, in finals vs Poland - came for 1 game and lost Then i watched how he was raped by Nerchio in some cup and next round Nerchio got 0-3 by Showtime i mean i know your a fanboy etc but i watch alooooot of SC2 and sOs is semis of code s is bad joke for me.
if you watch a lot of sc2 than you would know that those aren't the only games sOs has played
On February 27 2017 08:06 sickkkciiityyy wrote: IEM qualis - he tried 2x and was raped left and right Nation Wars - he came out vs Germany, lost first match and thats it, in finals vs Poland - came for 1 game and lost Then i watched how he was raped by Nerchio in some cup and next round Nerchio got 0-3 by Showtime i mean i know your a fanboy etc but i watch alooooot of SC2 and sOs is semis of code s is bad joke for me.
if you watch a lot of sc2 than you would know that those aren't the only games sOs has played
In 2017 they are. Honestly he had 2 easy groups (even though God Billowy almost eliminated him) and his personal punching bag in the Ro8. He hasn't looked like someone who should get top 4 in GSL this year so far but yet there he is. Meanwhile someone like INnoVation (who has looked leagues better) is out in the Ro8.
Of course it's also not sOs' fault that all the other top players that didn't make top 4 are chokers or fools making their own Ro16 groups too difficult. So good on him for not choking, making an easy group and getting top 4.
Obviously he deserves being in the top 4 this season though, if he didn't, he wouldn't have made it. But it's still kinda strange because this really hasn't been a good start to the year for him other than this GSL run.
To be fair to sOs although he is inconsistent he can pull of incredible wins when he actually puts in the effort. His own teammates said he's the laziest sc2 player they know.
Although he has had by far the easiest road to the semis. If inno, ty, maru, dark, classic etc got his seeding they would have cruised through it. sOs on a bad day will always have fun playing herO lol
On February 28 2017 02:59 Fango wrote: Although he has had by far the easiest road to the semis. If inno, ty, maru, dark, classic etc got his seeding they would have cruised through it. sOs on a bad day will always have fun playing herO lol
Until the Ro8 yes. But herO is a harder opponent for any of those guys than for sOs.
On February 28 2017 02:59 Fango wrote: Although he has had by far the easiest road to the semis. If inno, ty, maru, dark, classic etc got his seeding they would have cruised through it. sOs on a bad day will always have fun playing herO lol
Until the Ro8 yes. But herO is a harder opponent for any of those guys than for sOs.
I don't think sOs beats anyone else in the ro8. maybe ryung or maru he could take, but only maybe
On February 28 2017 02:59 Fango wrote: Although he has had by far the easiest road to the semis. If inno, ty, maru, dark, classic etc got his seeding they would have cruised through it. sOs on a bad day will always have fun playing herO lol
Until the Ro8 yes. But herO is a harder opponent for any of those guys than for sOs.
I don't think sOs beats anyone else in the ro8. maybe ryung or maru he could take, but only maybe
Outside of TvT Ryung is probably the weakest player in the top 8.
Also I didn't say he would. I said herO is a much tougher opponent for everyone who isn't sOs. So for anyone not called sOs getting to the Ro4 with the same set of opponents would be a lot less trivial.
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