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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On February 12 2017 18:20 Elentos wrote: I think he should just stop being a general prick and always forcing teamkills upon himself  Doesn't really look like that was the general problem tbh  Believe me, GSL curse. | ||
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Elentos
55571 Posts
On February 12 2017 18:24 The_Red_Viper wrote: Doesn't really look like that was the general problem tbh Believe me, GSL curse.I dunno. Dark has played 7 Ro16 group stages across SSL and GSL. 6 of those had some sort of teamkill in them. Maybe he should change his approach a little bit. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Similar to Maru, well Maru at least made it quite far a few times :D | ||
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Elentos
55571 Posts
On February 12 2017 18:41 The_Red_Viper wrote: I only looked at last years GSL because that's where Dark was strong. I mean sure he had Dream in his group, but he still could have made it. In SSL he also had to beat Classic and did it. Seems like a GSL curse to me Similar to Maru, well Maru at least made it quite far a few times :D Maru just had a shit 2016 outside of Proleague. The only curse he seems to have is that he either becomes a Royal Roader or never wins the tournament at all. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On February 12 2017 18:15 Elentos wrote: There was no 3-way fight in 2016. Dark was at the top, Solar was trying his best to outdo him but it didn't really work. Everyone else you mentioned couldn't even make a top 8 offline before 3.8.0, they were non-factors in the fight for the Zerg throne. I should've written that better. I meant a 3-way fight in the long-run. I said "always" as I've been eying those 3 for as far back as HotS. soO and Dark for their insane mechanics, ByuL for being the closest I've seen to Life in playstyle. Of course 2016 belonged to Dark, but I really wanted to see if he had the staying power like Life did, especially given the astronomical hype. We'll see how he does at IEM... | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On February 12 2017 18:48 Elentos wrote: Maru just had a shit 2016 outside of Proleague. The only curse he seems to have is that he either becomes a Royal Roader or never wins the tournament at all. Haha well Maru had a few top finishes which is also worth something imo But yeah last year Maru was only good in proleague pretty much (at least we don't have to consider that anymore, one good thing about PL being gone  ) On February 12 2017 18:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I should've written that better. I meant a 3-way fight in the long-run. I said "always" as I've been eying those 3 for as far back as HotS. soO and Dark for their insane mechanics, ByuL for being the closest I've seen to Life in playstyle. Of course 2016 belonged to Dark, but I really wanted to see if he had the staying power like Life did, especially given the astronomical hype. We'll see how he does at IEM... Dark is legit, zerg just isn't strong enough atm at the very top lvl i think. Talking about Life though, Life actually had fairly mediocre results outside of his tournament wins in korea tbh. | ||
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Elentos
55571 Posts
On February 12 2017 19:10 The_Red_Viper wrote: zerg just isn't strong enough atm at the very top lvl i think. You know, I'm not opposed to the idea that for most of LotV, Dark's mere existence has been preventing Zerg buffs. When Dark is at his best it doesn't seem like it matters what state Zerg is in, in a best of 5+ he'll still drive you to the edge. Especially against Terran, I consider Dark at his best to be in a genuinely different league from any other Zerg. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On February 12 2017 19:35 Elentos wrote: You know, I'm not opposed to the idea that for most of LotV, Dark's mere existence has been preventing Zerg buffs. When Dark is at his best it doesn't seem like it matters what state Zerg is in, in a best of 5+ he'll still drive you to the edge. Especially against Terran, I consider Dark at his best to be in a genuinely different league from any other Zerg. Haha that's probably the case tbh. I think soO should be able to get to that lvl though. Talking about direct buffs though: I am not sure what we should buff tbh ^^ | ||
Poopi
France12911 Posts
On February 12 2017 19:10 The_Red_Viper wrote: Haha well Maru had a few top finishes which is also worth something imo But yeah last year Maru was only good in proleague pretty much (at least we don't have to consider that anymore, one good thing about PL being gone ) Dark is legit, zerg just isn't strong enough atm at the very top lvl i think. Talking about Life though, Life actually had fairly mediocre results outside of his tournament wins in korea tbh. It has nothing to do with zerg if freaking sOo is the zerg to qualify instead of Dark uh. 0-4 isn't legit for such a player :/. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
that being said he also didn't play against Innovation - he lost to Classic and SoO. | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
On February 13 2017 00:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: I am not saying Dark lost the group because of zerg being weak, but i still think that zerg is fairly weak atm. Or rather terran too strong :D On February 13 2017 00:36 intotheheart wrote: He was also in a group with Innovation... that being said he also didn't play against Innovation - he lost to Classic and SoO. Right, but im sure he spend more time preparing vs terran than vs Protoss or Zerg just based on who was in the group. if i was him, i would have prepared mostly for zvt cuz he has done well vs classic in the past and dark is pretty good at zvz. i play all the races , always hve because i love this franchise but i do think zvt at the highest levels is probably a nightmare for these zergs. i dont even think its due to liberators or siege tank improvements, i think its just ppl getting better at the 2-1-1, reaper cheese existing and just their existence is forcing the zergs to play really safe and take gas so early. the best terrans play the game so well, you cant help but think "wtf do u actually do as dark here?." i was watching TY's stream the other day, just playing a solid tvz bio game, and thinking that "if i played like this, i would literally never lose on ladder here in NA." level of refinement is getting so high that it is scraping the skill ceiling of this game, and the game is starting to feel more and more like brooodwar (where the top terans tend to just always beat top zerg). zerg is my weakest race for sure and this is just my opinion, but i have played and watched a lot of RTS over the years and these trends seem like they will continue in the forseeable future | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
He was also in a group with Innovation... that being said he also didn't play against Innovation - he lost to Classic and SoO. At a guess, I would assume that Dark spent the bulk of his time honing his ZvT. Given the history between him and Classic (up until yesterday) I'm thinking he kind of just took it for granted that he could easily beat Classic and move on to the winner's match. Since it was always a safe bet that Inno > soO, he would then be fighting Inno for first place. So he focused on ZvT, gambling that he would never even have to face soO. I think he got totally blindsided by Classic, he looked pretty shocked both times when he lost. Then he went into his match against soO completely unprepared and against somebody whose ZvZ has always been better than his. Just my hypothesis on Dark's preparation and why he went out 0-4. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On February 13 2017 00:43 c0sm0naut wrote: i was watching TY's stream the other day, just playing a solid tvz bio game, and thinking that "if i played like this, i would literally never lose on ladder here in NA." that's true for every race. soO went 70-0 on stream when he played on NA. he made #1 GM without dropping a game. | ||
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