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Poll: Stats vs ByuLStats Wins (15) 71% ByuL Wins (6) 29% 21 total votes Your vote: Stats vs ByuL (Vote): Stats Wins
(Vote): ByuL Wins
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France12883 Posts
Go ByuL even tho I don't wanna see mech anymore
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Stats 1-0 ByuL
ByuL gets trashed so hard game 1 he runs away from IEM as fast as he can
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The only thing is that, if you cheer for Zerg, the likely outcome is Innovation's mech. So it's either the guy you root for wins, and he faces mech a bunch, or the guy you cheer for loses... unless of course we think that Byul has a better chance against Innovation than Dark.
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On December 17 2016 09:31 FrkFrJss wrote:
The only thing is that, if you cheer for Zerg, the likely outcome is Innovation's mech. So it's either the guy you root for wins, and he faces mech a bunch, or the guy you cheer for loses... unless of course we think that Byul has a better chance against Innovation than Dark.
byul is probably the best Zerg vs mech by quite a margin. the problem is that it's a finale 
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On December 17 2016 09:31 FrkFrJss wrote:
The only thing is that, if you cheer for Zerg, the likely outcome is Innovation's mech. So it's either the guy you root for wins, and he faces mech a bunch, or the guy you cheer for loses... unless of course we think that Byul has a better chance against Innovation than Dark.
Well...one of his defining attributes is being one of the best anti-mech Zergs we've ever had. Don't know if he's made a full recovery or not but his ZvT looks quite good lately from what I've seen.
I'd be more concerned if ByuL can defeat 1st place :p
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ByuL's anti-mech peak was vs. a terrifically different playstyle though. Inno's new mech style is extremely aggressive early-mid game until the death push that's supposed to hit pre-hive.
Just consider: ByuL's peak came before vipers, ravagers and anti-air queen buff, and he's playing an innovation that now has cyclones, libs and t-OP-nks. Given that all of those units are pretty key to the mech vs z that inno plays (except libs since machines don't need no freedom), I think it's a complete tossup how good ByuL's zvmech is compared to Dark's
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United States97276 Posts
Stats should win easily. then fall np to god Inno in the final
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Man these times are terrible for EU. I hope I can stay up long enough this time.
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On December 17 2016 10:12 Shellshock wrote:
Stats should win easily. then fall np to god Inno in the final
I see that the Church is recruiting. We can finally stop hiding and praise the best terran in the world (and not this maniac baneling sniper)
On December 17 2016 10:15 KeksX wrote:
Man these times are terrible for EU. I hope I can stay up long enough this time.
6am is okish. 2am was terrible tho.
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On December 17 2016 10:15 imre wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2016 10:12 Shellshock wrote:
Stats should win easily. then fall np to god Inno in the final I see that the Church is recruiting. We can finally stop hiding and praise the best terran in the world (and not this maniac baneling sniper) Show nested quote +On December 17 2016 10:15 KeksX wrote:
Man these times are terrible for EU. I hope I can stay up long enough this time.
6am is okish. 2am was terrible tho.
2 AM - 3:30 AM is what all the MST people had to deal with for a lot of the GSL, so it's wierd to actually have nice NA times.
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On December 17 2016 11:39 Za7oX wrote:
Only 1 game?
Yes 
Finals tomorrow
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On December 17 2016 10:15 imre wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2016 10:15 KeksX wrote:
Man these times are terrible for EU. I hope I can stay up long enough this time.
6am is okish. 2am was terrible tho.
I can stay up to 2am more easily on the weekend(not weekdays) than to 6am, or wake up at 6am on a saturday...
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1 more fucking hour and I can't wait!!! Pulling out my hair trying to wait out the last hour. arghasldjfoawiemflskjdfalwiejflksdjfoa;weif;laskdfj;oawiejfla;skjdf;iawjef!!!!!!11!!!
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Canada8157 Posts
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start already!!!! i have to sleep!
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Nice, drunkenly log in to TL for no reason and IEM is just starting. :D
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Adept/Corsair into carrier good build
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Thanks for the blessing Artie
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is the final at the same time?
edit: liquipedia say it is
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On December 17 2016 14:25 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
have they started?
About to
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seeing all the empty seats makes my heart ache
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2 spores don't even matter when you have that many phoenix
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Wow, didn't think that would work for ByuL =o
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Don't like that gold...think ByuL should start massing spores and get to Hive for vipers
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Are carriers the old ultralisk?
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the overseer transfusion ♥
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I don't like Byul's strategy here at all, even though he probably is gonna win this game
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Damn well done by Byul. I thought he was fucked this game. I think the lack of splash really hurts Stats, if he had templar earlier with carriers I think he would have won this easily.
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don't know why Stats moved out for no reason
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Byul playing so well. Color me impressed
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Finally! He stopped skimping on the spores
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ByuL makes ZvP look so easy....
Against Stats as well..
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I don't get it either ToD. Need more spores
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fuck now i thought stats was dead
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Mhm.. What did ByuL do differently this time that he lost the fight so badly? Was is really just the extra carriers?
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Moral of this series: dont' get ahead in the early game
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On December 17 2016 15:00 Topin wrote:
fuck now i thought stats was dead
this doesn't make sense. does the +2 carapace make such a big difference against carriers?
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Yikes, ByuL had the ultimate timing, right before +2 air, +1 ground weapons, graviton catapult, AND the 3 extra carriers... if he attacked any earlier he wouldve rolled over Stats
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Close Byul, but I don't see him winning this game. Storm/Carrier so strong. Maybe if he could get some corruptors, a couple ultras and hydras, I think that could beat this composition.
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He needs burrowed infestors and vipers and to slowly try to out-position Stats as he tries to take his 5th.
Stats not getting an oracle at this point is actually extremely surprising... Envision is so powerful late game and necessary to not get randomly pulled in or fungal + parasitic bombed.
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ByuL is doing great moves but i dont think he can win at the end
why ultras?
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What is Hasuobs doing these days? Still Heroes?
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On December 17 2016 15:08 Topin wrote:
ByuL is doing great moves but i dont think he can win at the end
why ultras?
Carriers actually do pretty much 0 damage to fully upgraded ultras, so he can freely chase down all the high templar and force more gas out of Stats if he wants to replace them..
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Australia18228 Posts
If ByuL killed the fifth, maybe he could've won this
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On December 17 2016 15:08 Topin wrote:
ByuL is doing great moves but i dont think he can win at the end
why ultras?
Ultras can tank/kill High templar/zealots easily and can tank interceptor shots. Great combination, until Protoss has a ton of immortals/archons. Byul can still win this game if he takes a good engagement, that last one wasn't the best.
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On December 17 2016 15:11 SaroVati wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2016 15:08 Topin wrote:
ByuL is doing great moves but i dont think he can win at the end
why ultras? Carriers actually do pretty much 0 damage to fully upgraded ultras, so he can freely chase down all the high templar and force more gas out of Stats if he wants to replace them..
i see... so smart :D
ByuL is playing amazingly
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Guess ByuL's anti-mech prowess transferred over to his anti-carrier play.
He's so patient and good with the tactical plays
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Stats is out of ressources, if ByuL keeps trading he can definitely win this.
EDIT: Well I meant trading units, not HT energy for units.
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aww, guess storm is pretty good
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This game didn't make any sense
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Yeah Byul didn't take the best engagements. Very winnable by him, but good game although a little passive for my tastes.
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stats could have won that ages ago
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Man that went from okay to a disastrous for Byul in a second. Storm good unit.
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Has the stadium been this empty for LoL and OW or just SC2?
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I think it was a mistake to split his army to kill that base. That base wasn't worth much and the units were needed in the fight.
Or am I wrong?
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Man, that empty audience =\
Kudos to the Korean casters for trying to make that game feel exciting.
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On December 17 2016 15:16 blade55555 wrote:
Yeah Byul didn't take the best engagements. Very winnable by him, but good game although a little passive for my tastes.
Only a little passive? :p
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Each of them threw that like 3 times
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I think he underestimated the usefulness of cracklings late game, it couldve been 10 cracklings instead of half his army killing the 5th base and it wouldve died just as quick.
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On December 17 2016 15:16 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2016 15:16 blade55555 wrote:
Yeah Byul didn't take the best engagements. Very winnable by him, but good game although a little passive for my tastes. Only a little passive? :p
I was trying to be nice 
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On December 17 2016 15:16 purakushi wrote:
Man, that empty audience =\
Kudos to the Korean casters for trying to make that game feel exciting.
"SC2 died in Korea because of the region lock"
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a spore forest would have worked well too
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On December 17 2016 15:18 Charoisaur wrote:
a spore forest would have worked well too
Void Rays say hi
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cause he's too good Tastless!
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Toss casually a-moving into biles and banelings
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Oh man what a throw . My dream of a zvt finals is going down...
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what a throw. Damn it ByuL
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That was just the wrong army from ByuL.
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This wasn't really worth staying up for. Meh
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ByuL wtf!
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On December 17 2016 15:34 blade55555 wrote:Oh man what a throw . My dream of a zvt finals is going down...
why was it a throw?
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Byul threw that, he could've traded at any point in that game but just sat there on a crap army and took a terrible fight with only half of his non-bantling army
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
ByuL got a massive advantage and had 2 choices:
1. Make an army and keep attacking and keeping Stats contained or kill him.
2. Tech/expand and then get the ultimate army to crush Stats max out.
Instead he made an army, did nothing then expanded and teched slower. By the time the lurker den/greater spire/ultra den came out Stats was maxed an on the doorstep.
Basically, ByuL is a half stepper.
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i cant go to sleep now, i need to see how this series end!
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On December 17 2016 15:34 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2016 15:34 blade55555 wrote:Oh man what a throw . My dream of a zvt finals is going down... why was it a throw?
Byul had a huge advantage. He could have kept attacking and win (he was 200/200 with a bank and Stats had 120 supply I believe). Since he chose not to keep attacking, he should have stopped making banelings and roaches/ravagers, instead adding in Hydras a lot sooner or adding infestors, anything but making ling/bane/ravager/roaches.
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On December 17 2016 15:39 stuchiu wrote:
ByuL got a massive advantage and had 2 choices:
1. Make an army and keep attacking and keeping Stats contained or kill him.
2. Tech/expand and then get the ultimate army to crush Stats max out.
Instead he made an army, did nothing then expanded and teched slower. By the time the lurker den/greater spire/ultra den came out Stats was maxed an on the doorstep.
Basically, ByuL is a half stepper.
I think he was scared of Stats going for a strong push as Stats was poking with his army multiple times without actually committing. I wouldn't call that a throw, it was really smart by Stats.
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On December 17 2016 15:49 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2016 15:39 stuchiu wrote:
ByuL got a massive advantage and had 2 choices:
1. Make an army and keep attacking and keeping Stats contained or kill him.
2. Tech/expand and then get the ultimate army to crush Stats max out.
Instead he made an army, did nothing then expanded and teched slower. By the time the lurker den/greater spire/ultra den came out Stats was maxed an on the doorstep.
Basically, ByuL is a half stepper. I think he was scared of Stats going for a strong push as Stats was poking with his army multiple times without actually committing. I wouldn't call that a throw, it was really smart by Stats.
The upgrade disadvantage must have dissuaded him too. While it was smart by Stats, ByuL could still have won that handily if he'd been decisive.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 17 2016 15:49 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2016 15:39 stuchiu wrote:
ByuL got a massive advantage and had 2 choices:
1. Make an army and keep attacking and keeping Stats contained or kill him.
2. Tech/expand and then get the ultimate army to crush Stats max out.
Instead he made an army, did nothing then expanded and teched slower. By the time the lurker den/greater spire/ultra den came out Stats was maxed an on the doorstep.
Basically, ByuL is a half stepper. I think he was scared of Stats going for a strong push as Stats was poking with his army multiple times without actually committing. I wouldn't call that a throw, it was really smart by Stats.
I call it a choke.
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Games are whatever, but OGN does not disappoint with their production. Love the face zooms. Hate how non-Korean broadcasts don't do this enough and how general foreigner attitude is against it.
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Byul quit playing with your food and finish this
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I love watching lurkers demolish an army, so gooooood.
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That's what happens when you leave a zerg alone for ten minutes.
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On December 17 2016 16:00 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Byul quit playing with your food and finish this
playing with Stats mind before the last game
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On December 17 2016 16:00 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Byul quit playing with your food and finish this
His strength and his weakness. Great patience and tactical plays but lacks the decisiveness of great Zergs like Life :/
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both semifinals get to G5. great tournament
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People finding seats for the next game.
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Couple bad supply blocks for Byul
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Damn . Wp'd stats.
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Well some things never change. Force fields did work
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what an awful last game TT
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Ugh, so sad. ByuL could've had this series :/
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Would be nice to see Stats finally win a tournament
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INnovation will have a slightly harder time beating Stats than ByuL.
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GGWP ByuL and Stats, that was a close series. Hope Stats goes on to win the whole thing.
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We watched both semifinals today and they were incredibly good. Innovation playing one build over and over was a little silly, but apparently the strategy of not changing the winning horse is the correct one. The Habitation game of Stats vs. ByuL made me really angry though, I would really have loved to see the stupid golden shit get demolished and at one point it really looked that way, with the great BM gold steal
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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On December 18 2016 11:32 juicyjames wrote:
Any recommended matches?
game 2 was pretty cool
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