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On November 02 2016 07:29 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 07:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 02 2016 07:14 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 06:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
TY 4-1 Dark Wow what? I really don't see TY getting that great of a scoreline in a finals against a player he's struggled so much against like Dark. Also I must express my disappointment that the semifinals are still not BO7. This is supposed to be THE biggest and most important event of the year and I think BO7 semis would help get the point across even more. Good point. But the finals need to be disappointing. 4-1 or 4-0 the other way is pretty likely too. I'd be so pissed if I got my Dark vs TY dream finals and it turned out to be a stomp.
Score lines can be that way but if the games are still close and good, it's not that bad. I think the games will be good no matter what tbh (if TY vs Dark happens)
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On November 02 2016 07:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 07:29 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 07:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 02 2016 07:14 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 06:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
TY 4-1 Dark Wow what? I really don't see TY getting that great of a scoreline in a finals against a player he's struggled so much against like Dark. Also I must express my disappointment that the semifinals are still not BO7. This is supposed to be THE biggest and most important event of the year and I think BO7 semis would help get the point across even more. Good point. But the finals need to be disappointing. 4-1 or 4-0 the other way is pretty likely too. I'd be so pissed if I got my Dark vs TY dream finals and it turned out to be a stomp. Score lines can be that way but if the games are still close and good, it's not that bad. I think the games will be good no matter what tbh (if TY vs Dark happens)
He said disappointing finals, so the games are few and shit.
Right now I think if Dark vs TY is the finals we'll get a better match than for the last Blizzcon finals (and that one was super hype), but there's still so much that can happen on the way. We can't even count out Elazer yet from reaching the Blizzcon finals, crazy year.
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On November 02 2016 07:37 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 07:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 02 2016 07:29 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 07:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 02 2016 07:14 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 06:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
TY 4-1 Dark Wow what? I really don't see TY getting that great of a scoreline in a finals against a player he's struggled so much against like Dark. Also I must express my disappointment that the semifinals are still not BO7. This is supposed to be THE biggest and most important event of the year and I think BO7 semis would help get the point across even more. Good point. But the finals need to be disappointing. 4-1 or 4-0 the other way is pretty likely too. I'd be so pissed if I got my Dark vs TY dream finals and it turned out to be a stomp. Score lines can be that way but if the games are still close and good, it's not that bad. I think the games will be good no matter what tbh (if TY vs Dark happens) He said disappointing finals, so the games are few and shit. Right now I think if Dark vs TY is the finals we'll get a better match than for the last Blizzcon finals (and that one was super hype), but there's still so much that can happen on the way. We can't even count out Elazer yet from reaching the Blizzcon finals, crazy year.
Like it was said before, we can't really count out anyone from reaching the finals. I think that's what's exciting about this ro8 is that I could see almost anyone getting to the finals.
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On November 02 2016 10:44 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 07:37 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 07:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 02 2016 07:29 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 07:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 02 2016 07:14 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 06:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
TY 4-1 Dark Wow what? I really don't see TY getting that great of a scoreline in a finals against a player he's struggled so much against like Dark. Also I must express my disappointment that the semifinals are still not BO7. This is supposed to be THE biggest and most important event of the year and I think BO7 semis would help get the point across even more. Good point. But the finals need to be disappointing. 4-1 or 4-0 the other way is pretty likely too. I'd be so pissed if I got my Dark vs TY dream finals and it turned out to be a stomp. Score lines can be that way but if the games are still close and good, it's not that bad. I think the games will be good no matter what tbh (if TY vs Dark happens) He said disappointing finals, so the games are few and shit. Right now I think if Dark vs TY is the finals we'll get a better match than for the last Blizzcon finals (and that one was super hype), but there's still so much that can happen on the way. We can't even count out Elazer yet from reaching the Blizzcon finals, crazy year. Like it was said before, we can't really count out anyone from reaching the finals. I think that's what's exciting about this ro8 is that I could see almost anyone getting to the finals.
Oh well now you are starting to be silly. I wholeheartedly support joking about foreigners in finals, but this posts seems almost serious about it, that's insane.
Anyway, this thread is deader than the game, so to get things moving, I am here with open arms for everyone foolish enough to think highly about foreigners, accepting sigbets with the proposal "there will be foreigner in the finals" at incredibly skewed odds (to be specified later). Anyone up? Or are you all just full of shit? 
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On November 02 2016 16:17 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 10:44 FrkFrJss wrote:On November 02 2016 07:37 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 07:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 02 2016 07:29 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 07:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 02 2016 07:14 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 06:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
TY 4-1 Dark Wow what? I really don't see TY getting that great of a scoreline in a finals against a player he's struggled so much against like Dark. Also I must express my disappointment that the semifinals are still not BO7. This is supposed to be THE biggest and most important event of the year and I think BO7 semis would help get the point across even more. Good point. But the finals need to be disappointing. 4-1 or 4-0 the other way is pretty likely too. I'd be so pissed if I got my Dark vs TY dream finals and it turned out to be a stomp. Score lines can be that way but if the games are still close and good, it's not that bad. I think the games will be good no matter what tbh (if TY vs Dark happens) He said disappointing finals, so the games are few and shit. Right now I think if Dark vs TY is the finals we'll get a better match than for the last Blizzcon finals (and that one was super hype), but there's still so much that can happen on the way. We can't even count out Elazer yet from reaching the Blizzcon finals, crazy year. Like it was said before, we can't really count out anyone from reaching the finals. I think that's what's exciting about this ro8 is that I could see almost anyone getting to the finals. Oh well now you are starting to be silly. I wholeheartedly support joking about foreigners in finals, but this posts seems almost serious about it, that's insane. Anyway, this thread is deader than the game, so to get things moving, I am here with open arms for everyone foolish enough to think highly about foreigners, accepting sigbets with the proposal "there will be foreigner in the finals" at incredibly skewed odds (to be specified later). Anyone up? Or are you all just full of shit?
I'll admit that the odds are against a foreigner being in the finals, but did we think that a foreigner would win KeSPA cup? Did we think that a foreigner would even get out of the groups in KeSPA cup?
Though foreigners generally are and have been on a lower level to the top Koreans nowadays, we are seeing the gap closing (whether due to foreigners practicing more and/or Koreans having less motivation).
Having seen Neeb do what most people thought to be crazy at the beginning of KeSPA cup, can we truly rule out the possibility of a foreigner making the finals? It seems to me that the more people try to downplay foreigners against Koreans, the more they are proven wrong.
Or were you one of those visionaries who thought that both Nerchio and Elazer would beat Solar, who had just come off of one of the biggest ZvZ wins in his career? Or did you think that Showtime would 4-0 his group?
By no means am I saying that foreigners will make the finals or that they have a good percentage of making the finals. All I am saying is that counting out anybody at this point in the competition would be unwise.
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On November 02 2016 17:25 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 16:17 opisska wrote:On November 02 2016 10:44 FrkFrJss wrote:On November 02 2016 07:37 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 07:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 02 2016 07:29 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 07:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 02 2016 07:14 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 06:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
TY 4-1 Dark Wow what? I really don't see TY getting that great of a scoreline in a finals against a player he's struggled so much against like Dark. Also I must express my disappointment that the semifinals are still not BO7. This is supposed to be THE biggest and most important event of the year and I think BO7 semis would help get the point across even more. Good point. But the finals need to be disappointing. 4-1 or 4-0 the other way is pretty likely too. I'd be so pissed if I got my Dark vs TY dream finals and it turned out to be a stomp. Score lines can be that way but if the games are still close and good, it's not that bad. I think the games will be good no matter what tbh (if TY vs Dark happens) He said disappointing finals, so the games are few and shit. Right now I think if Dark vs TY is the finals we'll get a better match than for the last Blizzcon finals (and that one was super hype), but there's still so much that can happen on the way. We can't even count out Elazer yet from reaching the Blizzcon finals, crazy year. Like it was said before, we can't really count out anyone from reaching the finals. I think that's what's exciting about this ro8 is that I could see almost anyone getting to the finals. Oh well now you are starting to be silly. I wholeheartedly support joking about foreigners in finals, but this posts seems almost serious about it, that's insane. Anyway, this thread is deader than the game, so to get things moving, I am here with open arms for everyone foolish enough to think highly about foreigners, accepting sigbets with the proposal "there will be foreigner in the finals" at incredibly skewed odds (to be specified later). Anyone up? Or are you all just full of shit? I'll admit that the odds are against a foreigner being in the finals, but did we think that a foreigner would win KeSPA cup? Did we think that a foreigner would even get out of the groups in KeSPA cup? Though foreigners generally are and have been on a lower level to the top Koreans nowadays, we are seeing the gap closing (whether due to foreigners practicing more and/or Koreans having less motivation). Having seen Neeb do what most people thought to be crazy at the beginning of KeSPA cup, can we truly rule out the possibility of a foreigner making the finals? It seems to me that the more people try to downplay foreigners against Koreans, the more they are proven wrong. Or were you one of those visionaries who thought that both Nerchio and Elazer would beat Solar, who had just come off of one of the biggest ZvZ wins in his career? Or did you think that Showtime would 4-0 his group? By no means am I saying that foreigners will make the finals or that they have a good percentage of making the finals. All I am saying is that counting out anybody at this point in the competition would be unwise.
I think most people value Dark as either the best player or 2nd in the world right now. If neeb/elazer/showtime wets against Solar or Patience or Dear I'd say there's a decent chance of a KR vs foreigner finals.
To be honest I thought Dark would get to the finals no matter what, without TY or Zest on his half he is almost guaranteed it.
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On November 02 2016 17:59 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 17:25 FrkFrJss wrote:On November 02 2016 16:17 opisska wrote:On November 02 2016 10:44 FrkFrJss wrote:On November 02 2016 07:37 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 07:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 02 2016 07:29 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 07:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 02 2016 07:14 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 06:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
TY 4-1 Dark Wow what? I really don't see TY getting that great of a scoreline in a finals against a player he's struggled so much against like Dark. Also I must express my disappointment that the semifinals are still not BO7. This is supposed to be THE biggest and most important event of the year and I think BO7 semis would help get the point across even more. Good point. But the finals need to be disappointing. 4-1 or 4-0 the other way is pretty likely too. I'd be so pissed if I got my Dark vs TY dream finals and it turned out to be a stomp. Score lines can be that way but if the games are still close and good, it's not that bad. I think the games will be good no matter what tbh (if TY vs Dark happens) He said disappointing finals, so the games are few and shit. Right now I think if Dark vs TY is the finals we'll get a better match than for the last Blizzcon finals (and that one was super hype), but there's still so much that can happen on the way. We can't even count out Elazer yet from reaching the Blizzcon finals, crazy year. Like it was said before, we can't really count out anyone from reaching the finals. I think that's what's exciting about this ro8 is that I could see almost anyone getting to the finals. Oh well now you are starting to be silly. I wholeheartedly support joking about foreigners in finals, but this posts seems almost serious about it, that's insane. Anyway, this thread is deader than the game, so to get things moving, I am here with open arms for everyone foolish enough to think highly about foreigners, accepting sigbets with the proposal "there will be foreigner in the finals" at incredibly skewed odds (to be specified later). Anyone up? Or are you all just full of shit? I'll admit that the odds are against a foreigner being in the finals, but did we think that a foreigner would win KeSPA cup? Did we think that a foreigner would even get out of the groups in KeSPA cup? Though foreigners generally are and have been on a lower level to the top Koreans nowadays, we are seeing the gap closing (whether due to foreigners practicing more and/or Koreans having less motivation). Having seen Neeb do what most people thought to be crazy at the beginning of KeSPA cup, can we truly rule out the possibility of a foreigner making the finals? It seems to me that the more people try to downplay foreigners against Koreans, the more they are proven wrong. Or were you one of those visionaries who thought that both Nerchio and Elazer would beat Solar, who had just come off of one of the biggest ZvZ wins in his career? Or did you think that Showtime would 4-0 his group? By no means am I saying that foreigners will make the finals or that they have a good percentage of making the finals. All I am saying is that counting out anybody at this point in the competition would be unwise. I think most people value Dark as either the best player or 2nd in the world right now. If neeb/elazer/showtime wets against Solar or Patience or Dear I'd say there's a decent chance of a KR vs foreigner finals. To be honest I thought Dark would get to the finals no matter what, without TY or Zest on his half he is almost guaranteed it.
Dark is the big favorite for me as well, but the potential ZvZ against Elazer is so scary.
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On November 02 2016 16:17 opisska wrote:Oh well now you are starting to be silly. I wholeheartedly support joking about foreigners in finals, but this posts seems almost serious about it, that's insane. Anyway, this thread is deader than the game, so to get things moving, I am here with open arms for everyone foolish enough to think highly about foreigners, accepting sigbets with the proposal "there will be foreigner in the finals" at incredibly skewed odds (to be specified later). Anyone up? Or are you all just full of shit?
Skewed odds ? I'm in. You choose one korean to be in the finals. I'll pick all foreigners. If I win, you get 2 week tempban. If I lose, I get the same.
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On November 02 2016 18:26 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 16:17 opisska wrote:Oh well now you are starting to be silly. I wholeheartedly support joking about foreigners in finals, but this posts seems almost serious about it, that's insane. Anyway, this thread is deader than the game, so to get things moving, I am here with open arms for everyone foolish enough to think highly about foreigners, accepting sigbets with the proposal "there will be foreigner in the finals" at incredibly skewed odds (to be specified later). Anyone up? Or are you all just full of shit? Skewed odds ? I'm in. You choose one korean to be in the finals. I'll pick all foreigners. If I win, you get 2 week tempban. If I lose, I get the same.
What if you both lose?
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On November 02 2016 18:26 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 16:17 opisska wrote:Oh well now you are starting to be silly. I wholeheartedly support joking about foreigners in finals, but this posts seems almost serious about it, that's insane. Anyway, this thread is deader than the game, so to get things moving, I am here with open arms for everyone foolish enough to think highly about foreigners, accepting sigbets with the proposal "there will be foreigner in the finals" at incredibly skewed odds (to be specified later). Anyone up? Or are you all just full of shit? Skewed odds ? I'm in. You choose one korean to be in the finals. I'll pick all foreigners. If I win, you get 2 week tempban. If I lose, I get the same.
That doesn't really work very well, because I can pick Dark and that's a tautology for "no foreigners". By "skewed odds", excuse me my poor English, I meant that I am willing to have you get a much better payoff than I do.
I don't think that TL endorses ban bets anymore and I don't want us both get banned for that preemtpively, so shouldn't we stick to sigs? I am willing to 1:6 (I get yours for a month, you get mine for six) for the "no foreigners:a foreigner" bet (which, as I described, is actually factually equivalent to yours, by the power of the bracket).,
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On November 02 2016 18:15 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 17:59 Fango wrote:On November 02 2016 17:25 FrkFrJss wrote:On November 02 2016 16:17 opisska wrote:On November 02 2016 10:44 FrkFrJss wrote:On November 02 2016 07:37 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 07:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 02 2016 07:29 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 07:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 02 2016 07:14 Elentos wrote:
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Wow what? I really don't see TY getting that great of a scoreline in a finals against a player he's struggled so much against like Dark.
Also I must express my disappointment that the semifinals are still not BO7. This is supposed to be THE biggest and most important event of the year and I think BO7 semis would help get the point across even more. Good point. But the finals need to be disappointing. 4-1 or 4-0 the other way is pretty likely too. I'd be so pissed if I got my Dark vs TY dream finals and it turned out to be a stomp. Score lines can be that way but if the games are still close and good, it's not that bad. I think the games will be good no matter what tbh (if TY vs Dark happens) He said disappointing finals, so the games are few and shit. Right now I think if Dark vs TY is the finals we'll get a better match than for the last Blizzcon finals (and that one was super hype), but there's still so much that can happen on the way. We can't even count out Elazer yet from reaching the Blizzcon finals, crazy year. Like it was said before, we can't really count out anyone from reaching the finals. I think that's what's exciting about this ro8 is that I could see almost anyone getting to the finals. Oh well now you are starting to be silly. I wholeheartedly support joking about foreigners in finals, but this posts seems almost serious about it, that's insane. Anyway, this thread is deader than the game, so to get things moving, I am here with open arms for everyone foolish enough to think highly about foreigners, accepting sigbets with the proposal "there will be foreigner in the finals" at incredibly skewed odds (to be specified later). Anyone up? Or are you all just full of shit? I'll admit that the odds are against a foreigner being in the finals, but did we think that a foreigner would win KeSPA cup? Did we think that a foreigner would even get out of the groups in KeSPA cup? Though foreigners generally are and have been on a lower level to the top Koreans nowadays, we are seeing the gap closing (whether due to foreigners practicing more and/or Koreans having less motivation). Having seen Neeb do what most people thought to be crazy at the beginning of KeSPA cup, can we truly rule out the possibility of a foreigner making the finals? It seems to me that the more people try to downplay foreigners against Koreans, the more they are proven wrong. Or were you one of those visionaries who thought that both Nerchio and Elazer would beat Solar, who had just come off of one of the biggest ZvZ wins in his career? Or did you think that Showtime would 4-0 his group? By no means am I saying that foreigners will make the finals or that they have a good percentage of making the finals. All I am saying is that counting out anybody at this point in the competition would be unwise. I think most people value Dark as either the best player or 2nd in the world right now. If neeb/elazer/showtime wets against Solar or Patience or Dear I'd say there's a decent chance of a KR vs foreigner finals. To be honest I thought Dark would get to the finals no matter what, without TY or Zest on his half he is almost guaranteed it. Dark is the big favorite for me as well, but the potential ZvZ against Elazer is so scary.
I'd still favour Dark ovet Elazer in a bo5. I think in long series Dark's expirience will make him favoured. But that is the best chance of getting a foreigner in the finals.
I don't know much about either elazer or showtime tbh but I think we will see Dark vs ShowtimE semi for sure
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I know we can't do banbets 
1 to 6 in term of duration is actually not very interesting. I'd want at least you to keep the sig until the end of the next WCS/GSL event (finals included). And I'm willing to do the same.
No, if you're confident in the fact that no foreigner will reach the finals, you must risk more. So your pick must be more restrictive.
Also this 5K posts is dedicated to the french crew on TL. You know who you are, you guys rock
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On November 02 2016 18:38 Otolia wrote:I know we can't do banbets 1 to 6 in term of duration is actually not very interesting. I'd want at least you to keep the sig until the end of the next WCS/GSL event (finals included). And I'm willing to do the same. No, if you're confident in the fact that no foreigner will reach the finals, you must risk more. So your pick must be more restrictive.
Also this 5K posts is dedicated to the french crew on TL. You know who you are, you guys rock
No foreigner in finals is exactly what I am confident about, so picking the other Korean who will face Dark does not make any sense to me. If you want to take it to the next event, I can take it to the next Blizzcon if you want to
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On November 02 2016 16:17 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 10:44 FrkFrJss wrote:On November 02 2016 07:37 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 07:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 02 2016 07:29 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 07:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 02 2016 07:14 Elentos wrote:On November 02 2016 06:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
TY 4-1 Dark Wow what? I really don't see TY getting that great of a scoreline in a finals against a player he's struggled so much against like Dark. Also I must express my disappointment that the semifinals are still not BO7. This is supposed to be THE biggest and most important event of the year and I think BO7 semis would help get the point across even more. Good point. But the finals need to be disappointing. 4-1 or 4-0 the other way is pretty likely too. I'd be so pissed if I got my Dark vs TY dream finals and it turned out to be a stomp. Score lines can be that way but if the games are still close and good, it's not that bad. I think the games will be good no matter what tbh (if TY vs Dark happens) He said disappointing finals, so the games are few and shit. Right now I think if Dark vs TY is the finals we'll get a better match than for the last Blizzcon finals (and that one was super hype), but there's still so much that can happen on the way. We can't even count out Elazer yet from reaching the Blizzcon finals, crazy year. Like it was said before, we can't really count out anyone from reaching the finals. I think that's what's exciting about this ro8 is that I could see almost anyone getting to the finals. Oh well now you are starting to be silly. I wholeheartedly support joking about foreigners in finals, but this posts seems almost serious about it, that's insane. Anyway, this thread is deader than the game, so to get things moving, I am here with open arms for everyone foolish enough to think highly about foreigners, accepting sigbets with the proposal "there will be foreigner in the finals" at incredibly skewed odds (to be specified later). Anyone up? Or are you all just full of shit?
How about a money bet? €10 on the line not a lot but for fun. If a foreigner reaches the finals I get €10 if one doesn't you get €10. Or are you just full of shit?
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he has to pick dark other way he already lost bc a foreigner in finals
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It's true. Artosis > all.
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I think this bracket is about as good as we could have asked for, to be honest. Every player here is in excellent form, sharp as a tack, and ready to win the entire thing. We've got an amazing ZvP between Showtime who's looked unstoppable against literally everyone and Elazer, the upsetter. We've got an amazing ZvP between the best zerg in the world, Dark, and Neeb, one of the most hyped up foreigners in history and Kespa Cup champion. We've got an amazing TvT coming up with Byun vs TY, and we've got what guarantees to be a scrappy series between Zest and Stats. No matter what happens, the rest of this tourney is sure to be amazing.
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Wouldn't it be funny if Elazer made it to the finals?
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On November 03 2016 00:13 Sakat wrote:
Wouldn't it be funny if Elazer made it to the finals?
Perversely funny because if either of the Terrans make the finals he will get destroyed, or genuinely funny because nobody expected Elazer to even get out of the groups?
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