Oh my, thank god for this thread, I was trying to post it on my own without the LR-Ressources and fucked up somewhere and everything fell apart, this was the happiest refresh ever
On August 24 2016 18:29 Arvendilin wrote: Oh my, thank god for this thread, I was trying to post it on my own without the LR-Ressources and fucked up somewhere and everything fell apart, this was the happiest refresh ever
Lol Was to hot to do anything last night and i forgot after the Chelsea game. Then this morning i had to pop to solicitors for the company and got back like 5 minutes ago xD
On August 24 2016 18:29 Arvendilin wrote: Oh my, thank god for this thread, I was trying to post it on my own without the LR-Ressources and fucked up somewhere and everything fell apart, this was the happiest refresh ever
Lol Was to hot to do anything last night and i forgot after the Chelsea game. Then this morning i had to pop to solicitors for the company and got back like 5 minutes ago xD
Well I now have found a new appreciation for the job you do over at the Ressources thread xD
On August 24 2016 18:36 Elentos wrote: Oh the Korean stream has English subtitles for the videos as well? Well then, goodbye English stream.
no love for eng casters ?
I didn't mind them in the past but Tastosis are getting worse. And I'm not interested in hearing them talk about sOs for 90 minutes.
I'd still take them over Wolf, but yea they both seem better when paired with someone else, and especially Rapid has brought so much energy to the casts lately I kinda miss him every time he doesn't cast, which is a good sign
On August 24 2016 18:36 Elentos wrote: Oh the Korean stream has English subtitles for the videos as well? Well then, goodbye English stream.
no love for eng casters ?
I didn't mind them in the past but Tastosis are getting worse. And I'm not interested in hearing them talk about sOs for 90 minutes.
I'd still take them over Wolf, but yea they both seem better when paired with someone else, and especially Rapid has brought so much energy to the casts lately I kinda miss him every time he doesn't cast, which is a good sign
I like wolfisms, they make me look smart in comparison
On August 24 2016 18:36 Elentos wrote: Oh the Korean stream has English subtitles for the videos as well? Well then, goodbye English stream.
no love for eng casters ?
I didn't mind them in the past but Tastosis are getting worse. And I'm not interested in hearing them talk about sOs for 90 minutes.
I'd still take them over Wolf, but yea they both seem better when paired with someone else, and especially Rapid has brought so much energy to the casts lately I kinda miss him every time he doesn't cast, which is a good sign
I like wolfisms, they make me look smart in comparison
Thats a very "make lemonade out of lemons" kinda approach! I like that
On August 24 2016 18:36 Elentos wrote: Oh the Korean stream has English subtitles for the videos as well? Well then, goodbye English stream.
no love for eng casters ?
I didn't mind them in the past but Tastosis are getting worse. And I'm not interested in hearing them talk about sOs for 90 minutes.
I'd still take them over Wolf, but yea they both seem better when paired with someone else, and especially Rapid has brought so much energy to the casts lately I kinda miss him every time he doesn't cast, which is a good sign
I like wolfisms, they make me look smart in comparison
On August 24 2016 18:36 Elentos wrote: Oh the Korean stream has English subtitles for the videos as well? Well then, goodbye English stream.
no love for eng casters ?
I didn't mind them in the past but Tastosis are getting worse. And I'm not interested in hearing them talk about sOs for 90 minutes.
I'd still take them over Wolf, but yea they both seem better when paired with someone else, and especially Rapid has brought so much energy to the casts lately I kinda miss him every time he doesn't cast, which is a good sign
I like wolfisms, they make me look smart in comparison
To be fair he got better lately
At least he's still trying.
Honestly Wolf says wrong and silly things a lot but that's half the fun, and I still like it when he casts.
I saw that, but I don't think that is enough to destroy LoL at this point this is one of their more stupid statements but even then I doubt the Korean scene (the one I care about imploding) cares at all, the whole OGN vs eSportsTV debacle had much more potential (in Korea atleast) but I don't think that will work out either
I saw that, but I don't think that is enough to destroy LoL at this point this is one of their more stupid statements but even then I doubt the Korean scene (the one I care about imploding) cares at all, the whole OGN vs eSportsTV debacle had much more potential (in Korea atleast) but I don't think that will work out either
League will continue going strong. Riot seems to do stupid shit every week lately but nothing will come of any of it.
On August 24 2016 19:04 Elentos wrote: So is the reason for the mass adept PvP meta that they're cheaper and easier to mass than any unit good against them?
I guess, yeah, and no-one has found a good counterbuild yet.
On August 24 2016 19:04 Elentos wrote: So is the reason for the mass adept PvP meta that they're cheaper and easier to mass than any unit good against them?
That and the ability to shade wherever you want and kill 20 probes unless the other guy also has adepts
On August 24 2016 19:14 Arvendilin wrote: sOs is basically if Mvp was Protoss #PleaseDon'tBanMe
Why? It's fun to watch sOs.
Woah there buddy, you take that back! Late No Wrist Jürgen Mvp was extremely fun to watch, and dominating everyone with Mechanics Mvp was also pretty cool
On August 24 2016 19:14 Arvendilin wrote: sOs is basically if Mvp was Protoss #PleaseDon'tBanMe
That is if Mvp had no GSLs :D
If he had no GSLs and hadn't defined the play of his race for years, maybe they could be somewhat similar but I'd say they're still completely different.
On August 24 2016 19:14 Noonius wrote: this series is Kardashian "reality tv" level bad
I don't see beautiful Kylie so therefore bad analysis. Oh wait i guess she could be Gyuri...mm Kylie and Gyuri
as far as I know there are no geniuses in the Kardashian family.
Idk, Kim seems pretty smart xD
I guess she got super famous for pretty much nothing so she has to be relatively clever.
She also looks pretty nice naked :D and does many nsfw stuff very well.
I'll announce my mom watched this show on a Sunday once like back2back many episodes and one of them had Kim K and her Mom discussing how many marble stone tiles they were going to buy for the bathroom and the bill was like $5million. If it wasn't for Kylie being shown in the next season i would have died!
On August 24 2016 19:14 Noonius wrote: this series is Kardashian "reality tv" level bad
I don't see beautiful Kylie so therefore bad analysis. Oh wait i guess she could be Gyuri...mm Kylie and Gyuri
as far as I know there are no geniuses in the Kardashian family.
Idk, Kim seems pretty smart xD
what does not make any sense is why is Kendall the only one with no ass, all the others got major bumpers but she's flat as a pancake. This just does not compute
On August 24 2016 19:14 Noonius wrote: this series is Kardashian "Reality tv" level bad
I don't see beautiful Kylie so therefore Bad analysis. Oh wait i guess she could be Gyuri...mm Kylie and Gyuri
as far as I know there are no geniuses in the Kardashian family.
Idk, Kim seems pretty smart xD
what does not make any Sense is why is Kendall the only one with no ass, all the others got MajOr bumpers but she's flat as a pancake. This just does not compute
She is defiently the most "NaTuRal beauty" out of them all though, she is a Tom boy to iirc but Yeah she Has Less curves than an ironing board. Still would though plus in fairness probably would enjoy her company more than the others.
On August 24 2016 19:14 Noonius wrote: this series is Kardashian "Reality tv" level bad
I don't see beautiful Kylie so therefore Bad analysis. Oh wait i guess she could be Gyuri...mm Kylie and Gyuri
as far as I know there are no geniuses in the Kardashian family.
Idk, Kim seems pretty smart xD
what does not make any Sense is why is Kendall the only one with no ass, all the others got MajOr bumpers but she's flat as a pancake. This just does not compute
She is defiently the most "NaTuRal beauty" out of them all though, she is a Tom boy to iirc but Yeah she Has Less curves than an ironing board. Still would though plus in fairness probably would enjoy her company more than the others.
I have never really understood why people say things like "still would though"... It's not like that's ever going to happen.
On August 24 2016 19:14 Noonius wrote: this series is Kardashian "Reality tv" level bad
I don't see beautiful Kylie so therefore Bad analysis. Oh wait i guess she could be Gyuri...mm Kylie and Gyuri
as far as I know there are no geniuses in the Kardashian family.
Idk, Kim seems pretty smart xD
what does not make any Sense is why is Kendall the only one with no ass, all the others got MajOr bumpers but she's flat as a pancake. This just does not compute
She is defiently the most "NaTuRal beauty" out of them all though, she is a Tom boy to iirc but Yeah she Has Less curves than an ironing board. Still would though plus in fairness probably would enjoy her company more than the others.
I have literally no idea what all of this is about .-.
On August 24 2016 19:14 Noonius wrote: this series is Kardashian "Reality tv" level bad
I don't see beautiful Kylie so therefore Bad analysis. Oh wait i guess she could be Gyuri...mm Kylie and Gyuri
as far as I know there are no geniuses in the Kardashian family.
Idk, Kim seems pretty smart xD
what does not make any Sense is why is Kendall the only one with no ass, all the others got MajOr bumpers but she's flat as a pancake. This just does not compute
She is defiently the most "NaTuRal beauty" out of them all though, she is a Tom boy to iirc but Yeah she Has Less curves than an ironing board. Still would though plus in fairness probably would enjoy her company more than the others.
On August 24 2016 19:14 Noonius wrote: this series is Kardashian "Reality tv" level bad
I don't see beautiful Kylie so therefore Bad analysis. Oh wait i guess she could be Gyuri...mm Kylie and Gyuri
as far as I know there are no geniuses in the Kardashian family.
Idk, Kim seems pretty smart xD
what does not make any Sense is why is Kendall the only one with no ass, all the others got MajOr bumpers but she's flat as a pancake. This just does not compute
She is defiently the most "NaTuRal beauty" out of them all though, she is a Tom boy to iirc but Yeah she Has Less curves than an ironing board. Still would though plus in fairness probably would enjoy her company more than the others.
I have never really understood why people say things like "still would though"... It's not like that's ever going to happen.
Because you sir, are a pessimist who lives for crushing dreams left and right. If you were a pokemon you would be a Gengar and spam casting Dream Eater
On August 24 2016 19:14 Noonius wrote: this series is Kardashian "Reality tv" level bad
I don't see beautiful Kylie so therefore Bad analysis. Oh wait i guess she could be Gyuri...mm Kylie and Gyuri
as far as I know there are no geniuses in the Kardashian family.
Idk, Kim seems pretty smart xD
what does not make any Sense is why is Kendall the only one with no ass, all the others got MajOr bumpers but she's flat as a pancake. This just does not compute
She is defiently the most "NaTuRal beauty" out of them all though, she is a Tom boy to iirc but Yeah she Has Less curves than an ironing board. Still would though plus in fairness probably would enjoy her company more than the others.
I have literally no idea what all of this is about .-.
Google Kylie Jenner - Kendal Jenner but i warn you it would be very NSFW eventually xD
On August 24 2016 19:14 Noonius wrote: this series is Kardashian "Reality tv" level bad
I don't see beautiful Kylie so therefore Bad analysis. Oh wait i guess she could be Gyuri...mm Kylie and Gyuri
as far as I know there are no geniuses in the Kardashian family.
Idk, Kim seems pretty smart xD
what does not make any Sense is why is Kendall the only one with no ass, all the others got MajOr bumpers but she's flat as a pancake. This just does not compute
She is defiently the most "NaTuRal beauty" out of them all though, she is a Tom boy to iirc but Yeah she Has Less curves than an ironing board. Still would though plus in fairness probably would enjoy her company more than the others.
I have never really understood why people say things like "still would though"... It's not like that's ever going to happen.
they are all about money. Have some and Kris will pimp out any of the daughters
On August 24 2016 19:14 Noonius wrote: this series is Kardashian "Reality tv" level bad
I don't see beautiful Kylie so therefore Bad analysis. Oh wait i guess she could be Gyuri...mm Kylie and Gyuri
as far as I know there are no geniuses in the Kardashian family.
Idk, Kim seems pretty smart xD
what does not make any Sense is why is Kendall the only one with no ass, all the others got MajOr bumpers but she's flat as a pancake. This just does not compute
She is defiently the most "NaTuRal beauty" out of them all though, she is a Tom boy to iirc but Yeah she Has Less curves than an ironing board. Still would though plus in fairness probably would enjoy her company more than the others.
I have never really understood why people say things like "still would though"... It's not like that's ever going to happen.
they are all about money. Have some and Kris will pimp out any of the daughters
On August 24 2016 19:14 Noonius wrote: this series is Kardashian "Reality tv" level bad
I don't see beautiful Kylie so therefore Bad analysis. Oh wait i guess she could be Gyuri...mm Kylie and Gyuri
as far as I know there are no geniuses in the Kardashian family.
Idk, Kim seems pretty smart xD
what does not make any Sense is why is Kendall the only one with no ass, all the others got MajOr bumpers but she's flat as a pancake. This just does not compute
She is defiently the most "NaTuRal beauty" out of them all though, she is a Tom boy to iirc but Yeah she Has Less curves than an ironing board. Still would though plus in fairness probably would enjoy her company more than the others.
I have literally no idea what all of this is about .-.
Google Kylie Jenner - Kendal Jenner but i warn you it would be very NSFW eventually xD
On August 24 2016 19:14 Noonius wrote: this series is Kardashian "Reality tv" level bad
I don't see beautiful Kylie so therefore Bad analysis. Oh wait i guess she could be Gyuri...mm Kylie and Gyuri
as far as I know there are no geniuses in the Kardashian family.
Idk, Kim seems pretty smart xD
what does not make any Sense is why is Kendall the only one with no ass, all the others got MajOr bumpers but she's flat as a pancake. This just does not compute
She is defiently the most "NaTuRal beauty" out of them all though, she is a Tom boy to iirc but Yeah she Has Less curves than an ironing board. Still would though plus in fairness probably would enjoy her company more than the others.
I have literally no idea what all of this is about .-.
Google Kylie Jenner - Kendal Jenner but i warn you it would be very NSFW eventually xD
he has to google Kim for that
Yeah that would be extreme NSFW, but the Jenner's still have more nipples, ass' and what not floating around google images too xD
On August 24 2016 19:14 Noonius wrote: this series is Kardashian "Reality tv" level bad
I don't see beautiful Kylie so therefore Bad analysis. Oh wait i guess she could be Gyuri...mm Kylie and Gyuri
as far as I know there are no geniuses in the Kardashian family.
Idk, Kim seems pretty smart xD
what does not make any Sense is why is Kendall the only one with no ass, all the others got MajOr bumpers but she's flat as a pancake. This just does not compute
She is defiently the most "NaTuRal beauty" out of them all though, she is a Tom boy to iirc but Yeah she Has Less curves than an ironing board. Still would though plus in fairness probably would enjoy her company more than the others.
I have literally no idea what all of this is about .-.
Google Kylie Jenner - Kendal Jenner but i warn you it would be very NSFW eventually xD
On August 24 2016 19:14 Noonius wrote: this series is Kardashian "Reality tv" level bad
I don't see beautiful Kylie so therefore Bad analysis. Oh wait i guess she could be Gyuri...mm Kylie and Gyuri
as far as I know there are no geniuses in the Kardashian family.
Idk, Kim seems pretty smart xD
what does not make any Sense is why is Kendall the only one with no ass, all the others got MajOr bumpers but she's flat as a pancake. This just does not compute
She is defiently the most "NaTuRal beauty" out of them all though, she is a Tom boy to iirc but Yeah she Has Less curves than an ironing board. Still would though plus in fairness probably would enjoy her company more than the others.
I have never really understood why people say things like "still would though"... It's not like that's ever going to happen.
Because you sir, are a pessimist who lives for crushing dreams left and right. If you were a pokemon you would be a Gengar and spam casting Dream Eater
On August 24 2016 19:14 Noonius wrote: this series is Kardashian "Reality tv" level bad
I don't see beautiful Kylie so therefore Bad analysis. Oh wait i guess she could be Gyuri...mm Kylie and Gyuri
as far as I know there are no geniuses in the Kardashian family.
Idk, Kim seems pretty smart xD
what does not make any Sense is why is Kendall the only one with no ass, all the others got MajOr bumpers but she's flat as a pancake. This just does not compute
She is defiently the most "NaTuRal beauty" out of them all though, she is a Tom boy to iirc but Yeah she Has Less curves than an ironing board. Still would though plus in fairness probably would enjoy her company more than the others.
I have literally no idea what all of this is about .-.
Google Kylie Jenner - Kendal Jenner but i warn you it would be very NSFW eventually xD
On August 24 2016 19:14 Noonius wrote: this series is Kardashian "Reality tv" level bad
I don't see beautiful Kylie so therefore Bad analysis. Oh wait i guess she could be Gyuri...mm Kylie and Gyuri
as far as I know there are no geniuses in the Kardashian family.
Idk, Kim seems pretty smart xD
what does not make any Sense is why is Kendall the only one with no ass, all the others got MajOr bumpers but she's flat as a pancake. This just does not compute
She is defiently the most "NaTuRal beauty" out of them all though, she is a Tom boy to iirc but Yeah she Has Less curves than an ironing board. Still would though plus in fairness probably would enjoy her company more than the others.
I have never really understood why people say things like "still would though"... It's not like that's ever going to happen.
Because you sir, are a pessimist who lives for crushing dreams left and right. If you were a pokemon you would be a Gengar and spam casting Dream Eater
On August 24 2016 19:14 Noonius wrote: this series is Kardashian "Reality tv" level bad
I don't see beautiful Kylie so therefore Bad analysis. Oh wait i guess she could be Gyuri...mm Kylie and Gyuri
as far as I know there are no geniuses in the Kardashian family.
Idk, Kim seems pretty smart xD
what does not make any Sense is why is Kendall the only one with no ass, all the others got MajOr bumpers but she's flat as a pancake. This just does not compute
She is defiently the most "NaTuRal beauty" out of them all though, she is a Tom boy to iirc but Yeah she Has Less curves than an ironing board. Still would though plus in fairness probably would enjoy her company more than the others.
I have never really understood why people say things like "still would though"... It's not like that's ever going to happen.
Because you sir, are a pessimist who lives for crushing dreams left and right. If you were a pokemon you would be a Gengar and spam casting Dream Eater
On August 24 2016 19:14 Noonius wrote: this series is Kardashian "Reality tv" level bad
I don't see beautiful Kylie so therefore Bad analysis. Oh wait i guess she could be Gyuri...mm Kylie and Gyuri
as far as I know there are no geniuses in the Kardashian family.
Idk, Kim seems pretty smart xD
what does not make any Sense is why is Kendall the only one with no ass, all the others got MajOr bumpers but she's flat as a pancake. This just does not compute
She is defiently the most "NaTuRal beauty" out of them all though, she is a Tom boy to iirc but Yeah she Has Less curves than an ironing board. Still would though plus in fairness probably would enjoy her company more than the others.
I have never really understood why people say things like "still would though"... It's not like that's ever going to happen.
Because you sir, are a pessimist who lives for crushing dreams left and right. If you were a pokemon you would be a Gengar and spam casting Dream Eater
On August 24 2016 19:14 Noonius wrote: this series is Kardashian "Reality tv" level bad
I don't see beautiful Kylie so therefore Bad analysis. Oh wait i guess she could be Gyuri...mm Kylie and Gyuri
as far as I know there are no geniuses in the Kardashian family.
Idk, Kim seems pretty smart xD
what does not make any Sense is why is Kendall the only one with no ass, all the others got MajOr bumpers but she's flat as a pancake. This just does not compute
She is defiently the most "NaTuRal beauty" out of them all though, she is a Tom boy to iirc but Yeah she Has Less curves than an ironing board. Still would though plus in fairness probably would enjoy her company more than the others.
I have never really understood why people say things like "still would though"... It's not like that's ever going to happen.
Because you sir, are a pessimist who lives for crushing dreams left and right. If you were a pokemon you would be a Gengar and spam casting Dream Eater
Pokemon is for children.
The Moomins fucked you up when you were a kid didn't they?
On August 24 2016 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Shitty series but I still love you sOs
I don't remember the last time I watched an sOs series and it wasn't total shit
sOs in LotV isn't really great to watch yeah. In HotS he had these mind games and crazy builds but in LotV...
I'm pretty sure a ton of his matches in HotS were also total shit gameplay wise.
U just salty cuz sOs makes this work. Seriously gameplay was shit? And zest's play is marvelous as always? Pls tell me how zest play so much better than sOs that zest is godly and sOs is not.
On August 24 2016 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Shitty series but I still love you sOs
I don't remember the last time I watched an sOs series and it wasn't total shit
sOs in LotV isn't really great to watch yeah. In HotS he had these mind games and crazy builds but in LotV...
I'm pretty sure a ton of his matches in HotS were also total shit gameplay wise.
U just salty cuz sOs makes this work. Seriously gameplay was shit? And zest's play is marvelous as always? Pls tell me how zest play so much better than sOs that zest is godly and sOs is not.
They're completely different players. Zest is just a better standard macro player, not that that matters.
On August 24 2016 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Shitty series but I still love you sOs
I don't remember the last time I watched an sOs series and it wasn't total shit
sOs in LotV isn't really great to watch yeah. In HotS he had these mind games and crazy builds but in LotV...
I'm pretty sure a ton of his matches in HotS were also total shit gameplay wise.
U just salty cuz sOs makes this work. Seriously gameplay was shit? And zest's play is marvelous as always? Pls tell me how zest play so much better than sOs that zest is godly and sOs is not.
They're completely different players. Zest is just a better standard macro player, not that that matters.
I am just asking why elentos is hating on sOs so much today. I thought elentos still repected sOs as a good player
On August 24 2016 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Shitty series but I still love you sOs
I don't remember the last time I watched an sOs series and it wasn't total shit
sOs in LotV isn't really great to watch yeah. In HotS he had these mind games and crazy builds but in LotV...
I'm pretty sure a ton of his matches in HotS were also total shit gameplay wise.
U just salty cuz sOs makes this work. Seriously gameplay was shit? And zest's play is marvelous as always? Pls tell me how zest play so much better than sOs that zest is godly and sOs is not.
You wanna know why Zest is best? Because look at how hot that man is, thats how life works!
On August 24 2016 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Shitty series but I still love you sOs
I don't remember the last time I watched an sOs series and it wasn't total shit
sOs in LotV isn't really great to watch yeah. In HotS he had these mind games and crazy builds but in LotV...
I'm pretty sure a ton of his matches in HotS were also total shit gameplay wise.
U just salty cuz sOs makes this work. Seriously gameplay was shit? And zest's play is marvelous as always? Pls tell me how zest play so much better than sOs that zest is godly and sOs is not.
On August 24 2016 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Shitty series but I still love you sOs
I don't remember the last time I watched an sOs series and it wasn't total shit
sOs in LotV isn't really great to watch yeah. In HotS he had these mind games and crazy builds but in LotV...
I'm pretty sure a ton of his matches in HotS were also total shit gameplay wise.
U just salty cuz sOs makes this work. Seriously gameplay was shit? And zest's play is marvelous as always? Pls tell me how zest play so much better than sOs that zest is godly and sOs is not.
They're completely different players. Zest is just a better standard macro player, not that that matters.
I am just asking why elentos is hating on sOs so much today. I thought elentos still repected sOs as a good player
I'm not saying sOs isn't good. That would be stupid. I'm saying his games aren't enjoyable for me. Most of them anyway.
On August 24 2016 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Shitty series but I still love you sOs
I don't remember the last time I watched an sOs series and it wasn't total shit
sOs in LotV isn't really great to watch yeah. In HotS he had these mind games and crazy builds but in LotV...
still the most innovative player to watch nowadays other than maybe myungsik
Erm. I don't think he has really innovated jack in LotV.
When I mean "innovated" his plays are very different from the norm. He has shown us double collosi in PvP, eco cheese against hyun at iem and stats at proleague round 2 finals. Storm drops vs zest at round 3 finals when the meta was(and still is) mass adepts. Voidray sentry vs TY at round 3 finals. the list goes on. Please give me any player who is experimental and varied as sOs is. Even if he was never the one to make teh builds, he was always the pioneer in terms of trying to make it work at offline matches so how did he not innovate jack s***?
On August 24 2016 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Shitty series but I still love you sOs
I don't remember the last time I watched an sOs series and it wasn't total shit
sOs in LotV isn't really great to watch yeah. In HotS he had these mind games and crazy builds but in LotV...
still the most innovative player to watch nowadays other than maybe myungsik
Erm. I don't think he has really innovated jack in LotV.
When I mean "innovated" his plays are very different from the norm. He has shown us double collosi in PvP, eco cheese against hyun at iem and stats at proleague round 2 finals. Storm drops vs zest at round 3 finals when the meta was(and still is) mass adepts. Voidray sentry vs TY at round 3 finals. the list goes on. Please give me any player who is experimental and varied as sOs is. Even if he was never the one to make teh builds, he was always the pioneer in terms of trying to make it work at offline matches so how did he not innovate jack s***?
On August 24 2016 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Shitty series but I still love you sOs
I don't remember the last time I watched an sOs series and it wasn't total shit
sOs in LotV isn't really great to watch yeah. In HotS he had these mind games and crazy builds but in LotV...
I'm pretty sure a ton of his matches in HotS were also total shit gameplay wise.
U just salty cuz sOs makes this work. Seriously gameplay was shit? And zest's play is marvelous as always? Pls tell me how zest play so much better than sOs that zest is godly and sOs is not.
They're completely different players. Zest is just a better standard macro player, not that that matters.
I am just asking why elentos is hating on sOs so much today. I thought elentos still repected sOs as a good player
I'm not saying sOs isn't good. That would be stupid. I'm saying his games aren't enjoyable for me. Most of them anyway.
I am sorry but I was triggered by the comment that you thought most of his games at elast were "total shit". Would you be calm if I said the same thing for zest? Cuz I don't find his games enjoyable but I don't say they are total shit most of the time. That's just unnecessarily rude.
On August 24 2016 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Shitty series but I still love you sOs
I don't remember the last time I watched an sOs series and it wasn't total shit
sOs in LotV isn't really great to watch yeah. In HotS he had these mind games and crazy builds but in LotV...
I'm pretty sure a ton of his matches in HotS were also total shit gameplay wise.
U just salty cuz sOs makes this work. Seriously gameplay was shit? And zest's play is marvelous as always? Pls tell me how zest play so much better than sOs that zest is godly and sOs is not.
They're completely different players. Zest is just a better standard macro player, not that that matters.
I am just asking why elentos is hating on sOs so much today. I thought elentos still repected sOs as a good player
I'm not saying sOs isn't good. That would be stupid. I'm saying his games aren't enjoyable for me. Most of them anyway.
I am sorry but I was triggered by the comment that you thought most of his games at elast were "total shit". Would you be calm if I said the same thing for zest? Cuz I don't find his games enjoyable but I don't say they are total shit most of the time. That's just unnecessarily rude.
ye Zest plays plenty of totally shit games actually
On August 24 2016 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Shitty series but I still love you sOs
I don't remember the last time I watched an sOs series and it wasn't total shit
sOs in LotV isn't really great to watch yeah. In HotS he had these mind games and crazy builds but in LotV...
still the most innovative player to watch nowadays other than maybe myungsik
Erm. I don't think he has really innovated jack in LotV.
When I mean "innovated" his plays are very different from the norm. He has shown us double collosi in PvP, eco cheese against hyun at iem and stats at proleague round 2 finals. Storm drops vs zest at round 3 finals when the meta was(and still is) mass adepts. Voidray sentry vs TY at round 3 finals. the list goes on. Please give me any player who is experimental and varied as sOs is. Even if he was never the one to make teh builds, he was always the pioneer in terms of trying to make it work at offline matches so how did he not innovate jack s***?
that's still Dark
Last time I checked Dark plays really different in only one matchup-- which is impressive, but not as all around
On August 24 2016 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Shitty series but I still love you sOs
I don't remember the last time I watched an sOs series and it wasn't total shit
sOs in LotV isn't really great to watch yeah. In HotS he had these mind games and crazy builds but in LotV...
still the most innovative player to watch nowadays other than maybe myungsik
Erm. I don't think he has really innovated jack in LotV.
When I mean "innovated" his plays are very different from the norm. He has shown us double collosi in PvP, eco cheese against hyun at iem and stats at proleague round 2 finals. Storm drops vs zest at round 3 finals when the meta was(and still is) mass adepts. Voidray sentry vs TY at round 3 finals. the list goes on. Please give me any player who is experimental and varied as sOs is. Even if he was never the one to make teh builds, he was always the pioneer in terms of trying to make it work at offline matches so how did he not innovate jack s***?
So you just said he hasn't actually innovated, so you answered your own question..
On August 24 2016 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Shitty series but I still love you sOs
I don't remember the last time I watched an sOs series and it wasn't total shit
sOs in LotV isn't really great to watch yeah. In HotS he had these mind games and crazy builds but in LotV...
still the most innovative player to watch nowadays other than maybe myungsik
Erm. I don't think he has really innovated jack in LotV.
When I mean "innovated" his plays are very different from the norm. He has shown us double collosi in PvP, eco cheese against hyun at iem and stats at proleague round 2 finals. Storm drops vs zest at round 3 finals when the meta was(and still is) mass adepts. Voidray sentry vs TY at round 3 finals. the list goes on. Please give me any player who is experimental and varied as sOs is. Even if he was never the one to make teh builds, he was always the pioneer in terms of trying to make it work at offline matches so how did he not innovate jack s***?
that's still Dark
Last time I checked Dark plays really different in only one matchup-- which is impressive, but not as all around
On August 24 2016 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Shitty series but I still love you sOs
I don't remember the last time I watched an sOs series and it wasn't total shit
sOs in LotV isn't really great to watch yeah. In HotS he had these mind games and crazy builds but in LotV...
I'm pretty sure a ton of his matches in HotS were also total shit gameplay wise.
U just salty cuz sOs makes this work. Seriously gameplay was shit? And zest's play is marvelous as always? Pls tell me how zest play so much better than sOs that zest is godly and sOs is not.
They're completely different players. Zest is just a better standard macro player, not that that matters.
I am just asking why elentos is hating on sOs so much today. I thought elentos still repected sOs as a good player
I'm not saying sOs isn't good. That would be stupid. I'm saying his games aren't enjoyable for me. Most of them anyway.
I am sorry but I was triggered by the comment that you thought most of his games at elast were "total shit". Would you be calm if I said the same thing for zest? Cuz I don't find his games enjoyable but I don't say they are total shit most of the time. That's just unnecessarily rude.
I probably wouldn't give a shit honestly. And he does have a lot of shitty games, too.
On August 24 2016 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Shitty series but I still love you sOs
I don't remember the last time I watched an sOs series and it wasn't total shit
sOs in LotV isn't really great to watch yeah. In HotS he had these mind games and crazy builds but in LotV...
still the most innovative player to watch nowadays other than maybe myungsik
Erm. I don't think he has really innovated jack in LotV.
When I mean "innovated" his plays are very different from the norm. He has shown us double collosi in PvP, eco cheese against hyun at iem and stats at proleague round 2 finals. Storm drops vs zest at round 3 finals when the meta was(and still is) mass adepts. Voidray sentry vs TY at round 3 finals. the list goes on. Please give me any player who is experimental and varied as sOs is. Even if he was never the one to make teh builds, he was always the pioneer in terms of trying to make it work at offline matches so how did he not innovate jack s***?
that's still Dark
Last time I checked Dark plays really different in only one matchup-- which is impressive, but not as all around
he laid the foundation for LotV ZvP and ZvT
I don't know about ZvP, but I still don't see anyone really following what dark's doing in ZvT. He just does things better and plays late game really well. I don't think we can say he laid the foundation so far
On August 24 2016 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Shitty series but I still love you sOs
I don't remember the last time I watched an sOs series and it wasn't total shit
sOs in LotV isn't really great to watch yeah. In HotS he had these mind games and crazy builds but in LotV...
still the most innovative player to watch nowadays other than maybe myungsik
Erm. I don't think he has really innovated jack in LotV.
When I mean "innovated" his plays are very different from the norm. He has shown us double collosi in PvP, eco cheese against hyun at iem and stats at proleague round 2 finals. Storm drops vs zest at round 3 finals when the meta was(and still is) mass adepts. Voidray sentry vs TY at round 3 finals. the list goes on. Please give me any player who is experimental and varied as sOs is. Even if he was never the one to make teh builds, he was always the pioneer in terms of trying to make it work at offline matches so how did he not innovate jack s***?
that's still Dark
Last time I checked Dark plays really different in only one matchup-- which is impressive, but not as all around
he laid the foundation for LotV ZvP and ZvT
I don't know about ZvP, but I still don't see anyone really following what dark's doing in ZvT. He just does things better and plays late game really well. I don't think we can say he laid the foundation so far
He made ling/bane into broodlords a thing in ZvP by himself.
On August 24 2016 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Shitty series but I still love you sOs
I don't remember the last time I watched an sOs series and it wasn't total shit
sOs in LotV isn't really great to watch yeah. In HotS he had these mind games and crazy builds but in LotV...
still the most innovative player to watch nowadays other than maybe myungsik
Erm. I don't think he has really innovated jack in LotV.
When I mean "innovated" his plays are very different from the norm. He has shown us double collosi in PvP, eco cheese against hyun at iem and stats at proleague round 2 finals. Storm drops vs zest at round 3 finals when the meta was(and still is) mass adepts. Voidray sentry vs TY at round 3 finals. the list goes on. Please give me any player who is experimental and varied as sOs is. Even if he was never the one to make teh builds, he was always the pioneer in terms of trying to make it work at offline matches so how did he not innovate jack s***?
that's still Dark
Last time I checked Dark plays really different in only one matchup-- which is impressive, but not as all around
he laid the foundation for LotV ZvP and ZvT
I don't know about ZvP, but I still don't see anyone really following what dark's doing in ZvT. He just does things better and plays late game really well. I don't think we can say he laid the foundation so far
The fact that he does standard play but better, kinda shows that, because standard play was based off of what he was doing, thats literally what laying the foundation means
On August 24 2016 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Shitty series but I still love you sOs
I don't remember the last time I watched an sOs series and it wasn't total shit
sOs in LotV isn't really great to watch yeah. In HotS he had these mind games and crazy builds but in LotV...
still the most innovative player to watch nowadays other than maybe myungsik
Erm. I don't think he has really innovated jack in LotV.
When I mean "innovated" his plays are very different from the norm. He has shown us double collosi in PvP, eco cheese against hyun at iem and stats at proleague round 2 finals. Storm drops vs zest at round 3 finals when the meta was(and still is) mass adepts. Voidray sentry vs TY at round 3 finals. the list goes on. Please give me any player who is experimental and varied as sOs is. Even if he was never the one to make teh builds, he was always the pioneer in terms of trying to make it work at offline matches so how did he not innovate jack s***?
For the record, Dear did storm drops in adept PvP earlier than sOs.
On August 24 2016 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Shitty series but I still love you sOs
I don't remember the last time I watched an sOs series and it wasn't total shit
sOs in LotV isn't really great to watch yeah. In HotS he had these mind games and crazy builds but in LotV...
still the most innovative player to watch nowadays other than maybe myungsik
Erm. I don't think he has really innovated jack in LotV.
When I mean "innovated" his plays are very different from the norm. He has shown us double collosi in PvP, eco cheese against hyun at iem and stats at proleague round 2 finals. Storm drops vs zest at round 3 finals when the meta was(and still is) mass adepts. Voidray sentry vs TY at round 3 finals. the list goes on. Please give me any player who is experimental and varied as sOs is. Even if he was never the one to make teh builds, he was always the pioneer in terms of trying to make it work at offline matches so how did he not innovate jack s***?
For the record, Dear did storm drops in adept PvP earlier than sOs.
to be fair, Dear has been doing storm drops since 2014
On August 24 2016 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Shitty series but I still love you sOs
I don't remember the last time I watched an sOs series and it wasn't total shit
sOs in LotV isn't really great to watch yeah. In HotS he had these mind games and crazy builds but in LotV...
still the most innovative player to watch nowadays other than maybe myungsik
Erm. I don't think he has really innovated jack in LotV.
When I mean "innovated" his plays are very different from the norm. He has shown us double collosi in PvP, eco cheese against hyun at iem and stats at proleague round 2 finals. Storm drops vs zest at round 3 finals when the meta was(and still is) mass adepts. Voidray sentry vs TY at round 3 finals. the list goes on. Please give me any player who is experimental and varied as sOs is. Even if he was never the one to make teh builds, he was always the pioneer in terms of trying to make it work at offline matches so how did he not innovate jack s***?
For the record, Dear did storm drops in adept PvP earlier than sOs.
to be fair, Dear has been doing storm drops since 2014
The reason why he climbed up my favorite player/protoss ranking
On August 24 2016 20:08 las91 wrote: 3 base turtle into Colossus push, WHAT GAME AM I EVEN WATCHING
Excuse me, but what was protoss supposed to do when he knew terran is fishing for drops? That was what Gumiho was trying to do whole game, drop or run with stimmed bio and cause terrible damage. Myungsik was constantly repositioning his forces to answer Gumiho movements and that was brilliant.
On August 24 2016 20:08 las91 wrote: 3 base turtle into Colossus push, WHAT GAME AM I EVEN WATCHING
Excuse me, but what was protoss supposed to do when he knew terran is fishing for drops? That was what Gumiho was trying to do whole game, drop or run with stimmed bio and cause terrible damage. Myungsik was constantly repositioning his forces to answer Gumiho movements and that was brilliant.
didn't say it was bad, just brought back ptsd from my WoL days
On August 24 2016 20:08 las91 wrote: 3 base turtle into Colossus push, WHAT GAME AM I EVEN WATCHING
Excuse me, but what was protoss supposed to do when he knew terran is fishing for drops? That was what Gumiho was trying to do whole game, drop or run with stimmed bio and cause terrible damage. Myungsik was constantly repositioning his forces to answer Gumiho movements and that was brilliant.
didn't say it was bad, just brought back ptsd from my WoL days
On August 24 2016 20:08 las91 wrote: 3 base turtle into Colossus push, WHAT GAME AM I EVEN WATCHING
Excuse me, but what was protoss supposed to do when he knew terran is fishing for drops? That was what Gumiho was trying to do whole game, drop or run with stimmed bio and cause terrible damage. Myungsik was constantly repositioning his forces to answer Gumiho movements and that was brilliant.
didn't say it was bad, just brought back ptsd from my WoL days
Good old times yo Makes me miss Rain even more
Makes me miss metagaming all Terrans in Plat so hard.
Myungsik's building placement in this match reminds me of that time in war3 where Moon for a few weeks decided making any buildings whatsoever in your own base is overrated
On August 24 2016 20:33 CynicalDeath wrote: ...MyuNgSiK vs sOs for the most deviated pvp match of recent times...
They'll just both play "standard" PvP the entire time and people still won't like the match-up
haha standard? What's standard in PvP anymore. Meta shifted to adepts but sOs grabbed blink today. Haha. The more you try to understand PvP, the less you understand.
On August 24 2016 20:39 Loccstana wrote: How come Gumiho didn't build that Jim Raynor hero unit which can cast a spell to transform his supply depots into 400hp sentry turrets?
On August 24 2016 20:33 CynicalDeath wrote: ...MyuNgSiK vs sOs for the most deviated pvp match of recent times...
They'll just both play "standard" PvP the entire time and people still won't like the match-up
haha standard? What's standard in PvP anymore. Meta shifted to adepts but sOs grabbed blink today. Haha. The more you try to understand PvP, the less you understand.
You can still get blink and other stuff. But in the end it's adepts and/or bust
On August 24 2016 20:33 CynicalDeath wrote: ...MyuNgSiK vs sOs for the most deviated pvp match of recent times...
They'll just both play "standard" PvP the entire time and people still won't like the match-up
haha standard? What's standard in PvP anymore. Meta shifted to adepts but sOs grabbed blink today. Haha. The more you try to understand PvP, the less you understand.
You can still get blink and other stuff. But in the end it's adepts and/or bust
Okay but what about classics storm rush into 0 upgrades vs +2 weps.
On August 24 2016 20:33 djraphi23 wrote: I hate Myungsik. This kind of player is just toxic.
Tasteless and Artosis were talking about you earlier.
I don't care what they think about it. I wanted to see some good StarCraft and this player doesn't provide any. I like sOs or Parting who cheese also but way smarter and they adapt their player. This guy just pick abusive builds over and over. If there were only players like this, I would have quit watching competitive games for a long time.
On August 24 2016 20:33 djraphi23 wrote: I hate Myungsik. This kind of player is just toxic.
Tasteless and Artosis were talking about you earlier.
I don't care what they think about it. I wanted to see some good StarCraft and this player doesn't provide any. I like sOs or Parting who cheese also but way smarter and they adapt their player. This guy just pick abusive builds over and over. If there were only players like this, I would have quit watching competitive games for a long time.
haha fair enough man, i think we all think a bit like that.
On August 24 2016 20:33 CynicalDeath wrote: ...MyuNgSiK vs sOs for the most deviated pvp match of recent times...
They'll just both play "standard" PvP the entire time and people still won't like the match-up
...so I am the only one to love pvp nowadays?
Probably. It's pretty terrible unless both players survive the mass adept phase. And that surely never happens.
...ok, I'll reitre in my angle now and cry alone...
You could try to argue why you like it first I think it has regressed in entertainment value since mass adepts became a thing that happens every game. So like the other Protoss match-ups actually. TvP also has a hard time producing good games atm.
After a pretty crap day at work, this really made me chuckle. Thank you
OT: I'm disappointed GuMigod lost to Myungsik; but now it seems that his success recently isn't just because of the stupid gun (that or he's learned to wield it for maximum effect)
Personally, I'm pleased Myungsik won: - Gumiho is a gimmicky player playing a race that does not need to rely on gimmicks to win - Gumiho knocked out Classic (one of the more well-balanced Protoss player who mixes gimmicky and standard plays well, and who had been in the running for double Starleagues) - Myungsik, although gimmicky, plays a race that by nature relies heavily on gimmicks
(Yes, I'm not a fan of Gumiho. The main reason why he's on the rise, I feel, is due to the current LoTV meta favouring abusive gimmicky plays. Entertaining and innovative he may be, but a top Terran he is not.)
On August 25 2016 12:13 RKC wrote: Personally, I'm pleased Myungsik won: - Gumiho is a gimmicky player playing a race that does not need to rely on gimmicks to win - Gumiho knocked out Classic (one of the more well-balanced Protoss player who mixes gimmicky and standard plays well, and who had been in the running for double Starleagues) - Myungsik, although gimmicky, plays a race that by nature relies heavily on gimmicks
(Yes, I'm not a fan of Gumiho. The main reason why he's on the rise, I feel, is due to the current LoTV meta favouring abusive gimmicky plays. Entertaining and innovative he may be, but a top Terran he is not.)
"I don't like GuMiho because he's gimmicky. MyuNgSiK is also gimmicky but that's okay because he's Protoss"
On August 25 2016 12:13 RKC wrote: Personally, I'm pleased Myungsik won: - Gumiho is a gimmicky player playing a race that does not need to rely on gimmicks to win - Gumiho knocked out Classic (one of the more well-balanced Protoss player who mixes gimmicky and standard plays well, and who had been in the running for double Starleagues) - Myungsik, although gimmicky, plays a race that by nature relies heavily on gimmicks
(Yes, I'm not a fan of Gumiho. The main reason why he's on the rise, I feel, is due to the current LoTV meta favouring abusive gimmicky plays. Entertaining and innovative he may be, but a top Terran he is not.)
"I don't like GuMiho because he's gimmicky. MyuNgSiK is also gimmicky but that's okay because he's Protoss"
What?
It's very simple. Let me use a footballing analogy. On one side, there is a less skilful team like Italy that has to rely more on physicality, tactical fouls and the occasional dirty plays to win (Protoss). On the other side, there is a team brimming with talent and skills like Brazil (Terran), and yet the coach decides to play the team using the style of a Protoss (Gumiho).
Italy and Brazil are both capable of winning the World Cup, provided they play according to their strengths.
Not a very exact equivalent, but that's the rough logic.
(Afterthought: Maybe I got the countries-race in reverse order, since Brazil-Protoss has been winning more tourneys.)
On August 25 2016 12:13 RKC wrote: Personally, I'm pleased Myungsik won: - Gumiho is a gimmicky player playing a race that does not need to rely on gimmicks to win - Gumiho knocked out Classic (one of the more well-balanced Protoss player who mixes gimmicky and standard plays well, and who had been in the running for double Starleagues) - Myungsik, although gimmicky, plays a race that by nature relies heavily on gimmicks
(Yes, I'm not a fan of Gumiho. The main reason why he's on the rise, I feel, is due to the current LoTV meta favouring abusive gimmicky plays. Entertaining and innovative he may be, but a top Terran he is not.)
"I don't like GuMiho because he's gimmicky. MyuNgSiK is also gimmicky but that's okay because he's Protoss"
What?
It's very simple. Let me use a footballing analogy. On one side, there is a less skilful team like Italy that has to rely more on physicality, tactical fouls and the occasional dirty plays to win (Protoss). On the other side, there is a team brimming with talent and skills like Brazil (Terran), and yet the coach decides to play the team using the style of a Protoss (Gumiho).
Italy and Brazil are both capable of winning the World Cup, provided they play according to their strengths.
Not a very exact equivalent, but that's the rough logic.
(Afterthought: Maybe I got the countries-race in reverse order, since Brazil-Protoss has been winning more tourneys.)
Every player has to play to their own strengths as well as the strengths of their race. That's what both GuMiho and MyuNgSiK are doing. Every Starcraft player is different. There are Protoss players who don't cheese (or "rely on gimmicks") a lot (Zest or Rain from the past come to mind) if at all, and then there is someone like MyuNgSiK who in the eyes of some people only does that.
Everyone has to do what works for them to be successful, and I don't see why it's okay if one player does it but not the other just because they play a different race. Not to mention, GuMiho is not a gimmicky player in TvT or TvZ at all, he plays quite standard most of the time, except in TvP. But if you watch other top Terrans recently, you will see a ton of gimmicky shit in TvP, so it's not like GuMiho is actually falling out of the norm there.
On August 25 2016 12:13 RKC wrote: Personally, I'm pleased Myungsik won: - Gumiho is a gimmicky player playing a race that does not need to rely on gimmicks to win - Gumiho knocked out Classic (one of the more well-balanced Protoss player who mixes gimmicky and standard plays well, and who had been in the running for double Starleagues) - Myungsik, although gimmicky, plays a race that by nature relies heavily on gimmicks
(Yes, I'm not a fan of Gumiho. The main reason why he's on the rise, I feel, is due to the current LoTV meta favouring abusive gimmicky plays. Entertaining and innovative he may be, but a top Terran he is not.)
"I don't like GuMiho because he's gimmicky. MyuNgSiK is also gimmicky but that's okay because he's Protoss"
What?
It's very simple. Let me use a footballing analogy. On one side, there is a less skilful team like Italy that has to rely more on physicality, tactical fouls and the occasional dirty plays to win (Protoss). On the other side, there is a team brimming with talent and skills like Brazil (Terran), and yet the coach decides to play the team using the style of a Protoss (Gumiho).
Italy and Brazil are both capable of winning the World Cup, provided they play according to their strengths.
Not a very exact equivalent, but that's the rough logic.
(Afterthought: Maybe I got the countries-race in reverse order, since Brazil-Protoss has been winning more tourneys.)
Every player has to play to their own strengths as well as the strengths of their race. That's what both GuMiho and MyuNgSiK are doing. Every Starcraft player is different. There are Protoss players who don't cheese (or "rely on gimmicks") a lot (Zest or Rain from the past come to mind) if at all, and then there is someone like MyuNgSiK who in the eyes of some people only does that.
Everyone has to do what works for them to be successful, and I don't see why it's okay if one player does it but not the other just because they play a different race. Not to mention, GuMiho is not a gimmicky player in TvT or TvZ at all, he plays quite standard most of the time, except in TvP. But if you watch other top Terrans recently, you will see a ton of gimmicky shit in TvP, so it's not like GuMiho is actually falling out of the norm there.
I was just using a simple analogy. Of course, in actual fact, football teams aren't that one-dimensional. Italy has great technical ability too, and can play a patient, positional and defensive game (somewhat like macro Toss ala Zest and Rain).
Yes, players should play to their strengths, and pick a race that suits their strengths. In my mind, Gumiho fits more in the Protoss mould. Just as Classic probably realised early on in SC2. Flash? Arguably Protoss would've fit him better too - he can turtle and macro up, and fall back to his early cheesy ways if he wish. (In general, I feel Profoss is strong early and late game - hence a player can be successful either by being gimmicky ala sOs or solid ala Zest. Whereas Terran is stronger at mid game in most matchups - which is arguably where Maru and Inno shines.)
I just don't see Gumiho ever becoming a Top Terran and winning tourneys. He probably might not be a champion had he switched to Protoss anyway, but he would've achieved more and gone deeper (as Myungsik and Patience has).
Just a random musing I have, don't mean to start a shitstorm.
On August 25 2016 12:13 RKC wrote: Personally, I'm pleased Myungsik won: - Gumiho is a gimmicky player playing a race that does not need to rely on gimmicks to win - Gumiho knocked out Classic (one of the more well-balanced Protoss player who mixes gimmicky and standard plays well, and who had been in the running for double Starleagues) - Myungsik, although gimmicky, plays a race that by nature relies heavily on gimmicks
(Yes, I'm not a fan of Gumiho. The main reason why he's on the rise, I feel, is due to the current LoTV meta favouring abusive gimmicky plays. Entertaining and innovative he may be, but a top Terran he is not.)
"I don't like GuMiho because he's gimmicky. MyuNgSiK is also gimmicky but that's okay because he's Protoss"
What?
It's very simple. Let me use a footballing analogy. On one side, there is a less skilful team like Italy that has to rely more on physicality, tactical fouls and the occasional dirty plays to win (Protoss). On the other side, there is a team brimming with talent and skills like Brazil (Terran), and yet the coach decides to play the team using the style of a Protoss (Gumiho).
Italy and Brazil are both capable of winning the World Cup, provided they play according to their strengths.
Not a very exact equivalent, but that's the rough logic.
(Afterthought: Maybe I got the countries-race in reverse order, since Brazil-Protoss has been winning more tourneys.)
Every player has to play to their own strengths as well as the strengths of their race. That's what both GuMiho and MyuNgSiK are doing. Every Starcraft player is different. There are Protoss players who don't cheese (or "rely on gimmicks") a lot (Zest or Rain from the past come to mind) if at all, and then there is someone like MyuNgSiK who in the eyes of some people only does that.
Everyone has to do what works for them to be successful, and I don't see why it's okay if one player does it but not the other just because they play a different race. Not to mention, GuMiho is not a gimmicky player in TvT or TvZ at all, he plays quite standard most of the time, except in TvP. But if you watch other top Terrans recently, you will see a ton of gimmicky shit in TvP, so it's not like GuMiho is actually falling out of the norm there.
I was just using a simple analogy. Of course, in actual fact, football teams aren't that one-dimensional. Italy has great technical ability too, and can play a patient, positional and defensive game (somewhat like macro Toss ala Zest and Rain).
Yes, players should play to their strengths, and pick a race that suits their strengths. In my mind, Gumiho fits more in the Protoss mould. Just as Classic probably realised early on in SC2. Flash? Arguably Protoss would've fit him better too - he can turtle and macro up, and fall back to his early cheesy ways if he wish.
I just don't see Gumiho ever becoming a Top Terran and winning tourneys. He probably might not be a champion had he switched to Protoss anyway, but he would've achieved more and gone deeper (as Myungsik and Patience has).
Just a random musing I have, don't mean to start a shitstorm.
He originally played Random professionally and then decided that Terran was the race that played the most to his strengths. Probably because he is one of the best multitaskers in the game.
Besides, he's had multiple high tournament finishes in the past and was always a beast in teamleague play. He just never managed to make the final step and win an individual tournament. But I doubt if he picked Protoss back in Wings he would have won GSL in 2012 instead of going out in the semifinals.
On August 25 2016 12:13 RKC wrote: Personally, I'm pleased Myungsik won: - Gumiho is a gimmicky player playing a race that does not need to rely on gimmicks to win - Gumiho knocked out Classic (one of the more well-balanced Protoss player who mixes gimmicky and standard plays well, and who had been in the running for double Starleagues) - Myungsik, although gimmicky, plays a race that by nature relies heavily on gimmicks
(Yes, I'm not a fan of Gumiho. The main reason why he's on the rise, I feel, is due to the current LoTV meta favouring abusive gimmicky plays. Entertaining and innovative he may be, but a top Terran he is not.)
"I don't like GuMiho because he's gimmicky. MyuNgSiK is also gimmicky but that's okay because he's Protoss"
What?
It's very simple. Let me use a footballing analogy. On one side, there is a less skilful team like Italy that has to rely more on physicality, tactical fouls and the occasional dirty plays to win (Protoss). On the other side, there is a team brimming with talent and skills like Brazil (Terran), and yet the coach decides to play the team using the style of a Protoss (Gumiho).
Italy and Brazil are both capable of winning the World Cup, provided they play according to their strengths.
Not a very exact equivalent, but that's the rough logic.
(Afterthought: Maybe I got the countries-race in reverse order, since Brazil-Protoss has been winning more tourneys.)
Every player has to play to their own strengths as well as the strengths of their race. That's what both GuMiho and MyuNgSiK are doing. Every Starcraft player is different. There are Protoss players who don't cheese (or "rely on gimmicks") a lot (Zest or Rain from the past come to mind) if at all, and then there is someone like MyuNgSiK who in the eyes of some people only does that.
Everyone has to do what works for them to be successful, and I don't see why it's okay if one player does it but not the other just because they play a different race. Not to mention, GuMiho is not a gimmicky player in TvT or TvZ at all, he plays quite standard most of the time, except in TvP. But if you watch other top Terrans recently, you will see a ton of gimmicky shit in TvP, so it's not like GuMiho is actually falling out of the norm there.
I was just using a simple analogy. Of course, in actual fact, football teams aren't that one-dimensional. Italy has great technical ability too, and can play a patient, positional and defensive game (somewhat like macro Toss ala Zest and Rain).
Yes, players should play to their strengths, and pick a race that suits their strengths. In my mind, Gumiho fits more in the Protoss mould. Just as Classic probably realised early on in SC2. Flash? Arguably Protoss would've fit him better too - he can turtle and macro up, and fall back to his early cheesy ways if he wish.
I just don't see Gumiho ever becoming a Top Terran and winning tourneys. He probably might not be a champion had he switched to Protoss anyway, but he would've achieved more and gone deeper (as Myungsik and Patience has).
Just a random musing I have, don't mean to start a shitstorm.
He originally played Random professionally and then decided that Terran was the race that played the most to his strengths. Probably because he is one of the best multitaskers in the game.
Besides, he's had multiple high tournament finishes in the past and was always a beast in teamleague play. He just never managed to make the final step and win an individual tournament. But I doubt if he picked Protoss back in Wings he would have won GSL in 2012 instead of going out in the semifinals.
I didn't watch as much in the early years. But yes, I vaguely recall him having some sick Maru-esque drop plays.
Maybe the meta has changed somewhat in LoTV too, favouring stronger Terran early game strats (which Gumiho adapted better than Maru). Still, I feel that Gumiho needs to strengthen up his mid game play to be a serious contender (like TY and Byun), which entails to cutting back on gimmicks.
On August 25 2016 12:13 RKC wrote: Personally, I'm pleased Myungsik won: - Gumiho is a gimmicky player playing a race that does not need to rely on gimmicks to win - Gumiho knocked out Classic (one of the more well-balanced Protoss player who mixes gimmicky and standard plays well, and who had been in the running for double Starleagues) - Myungsik, although gimmicky, plays a race that by nature relies heavily on gimmicks
(Yes, I'm not a fan of Gumiho. The main reason why he's on the rise, I feel, is due to the current LoTV meta favouring abusive gimmicky plays. Entertaining and innovative he may be, but a top Terran he is not.)
"I don't like GuMiho because he's gimmicky. MyuNgSiK is also gimmicky but that's okay because he's Protoss"
What?
It's very simple. Let me use a footballing analogy. On one side, there is a less skilful team like Italy that has to rely more on physicality, tactical fouls and the occasional dirty plays to win (Protoss). On the other side, there is a team brimming with talent and skills like Brazil (Terran), and yet the coach decides to play the team using the style of a Protoss (Gumiho).
Italy and Brazil are both capable of winning the World Cup, provided they play according to their strengths.
Not a very exact equivalent, but that's the rough logic.
(Afterthought: Maybe I got the countries-race in reverse order, since Brazil-Protoss has been winning more tourneys.)
Every player has to play to their own strengths as well as the strengths of their race. That's what both GuMiho and MyuNgSiK are doing. Every Starcraft player is different. There are Protoss players who don't cheese (or "rely on gimmicks") a lot (Zest or Rain from the past come to mind) if at all, and then there is someone like MyuNgSiK who in the eyes of some people only does that.
Everyone has to do what works for them to be successful, and I don't see why it's okay if one player does it but not the other just because they play a different race. Not to mention, GuMiho is not a gimmicky player in TvT or TvZ at all, he plays quite standard most of the time, except in TvP. But if you watch other top Terrans recently, you will see a ton of gimmicky shit in TvP, so it's not like GuMiho is actually falling out of the norm there.
I was just using a simple analogy. Of course, in actual fact, football teams aren't that one-dimensional. Italy has great technical ability too, and can play a patient, positional and defensive game (somewhat like macro Toss ala Zest and Rain).
Yes, players should play to their strengths, and pick a race that suits their strengths. In my mind, Gumiho fits more in the Protoss mould. Just as Classic probably realised early on in SC2. Flash? Arguably Protoss would've fit him better too - he can turtle and macro up, and fall back to his early cheesy ways if he wish.
I just don't see Gumiho ever becoming a Top Terran and winning tourneys. He probably might not be a champion had he switched to Protoss anyway, but he would've achieved more and gone deeper (as Myungsik and Patience has).
Just a random musing I have, don't mean to start a shitstorm.
He originally played Random professionally and then decided that Terran was the race that played the most to his strengths. Probably because he is one of the best multitaskers in the game.
Besides, he's had multiple high tournament finishes in the past and was always a beast in teamleague play. He just never managed to make the final step and win an individual tournament. But I doubt if he picked Protoss back in Wings he would have won GSL in 2012 instead of going out in the semifinals.
I didn't watch as much in the early years. But yes, I vaguely recall him having some sick Maru-esque drop plays.
Maybe the meta has changed somewhat in LoTV too, favouring stronger Terran early game strats (which Gumiho adapted better than Maru). Still, I feel that Gumiho needs to strengthen up his mid game play to be a serious contender (like TY and Byun), which entails to cutting back on gimmicks.
Terrans in general are playing their TvP a bit more gimmicky these days. Things we've seen recently:
TY - proxy mine drop into 1-1-1 with cyclones & liberators - upgraded cyclone push/contain
INnoVation - mech - double factory on 1 base
I think that's just kinda the direction it's going atm at least for that one match-up. I don't really recall GuMiho doing too many crazy things in TvT or TvZ, and his mid-game in those looks pretty good most of the time.
On August 25 2016 12:13 RKC wrote: Personally, I'm pleased Myungsik won: - Gumiho is a gimmicky player playing a race that does not need to rely on gimmicks to win - Gumiho knocked out Classic (one of the more well-balanced Protoss player who mixes gimmicky and standard plays well, and who had been in the running for double Starleagues) - Myungsik, although gimmicky, plays a race that by nature relies heavily on gimmicks
(Yes, I'm not a fan of Gumiho. The main reason why he's on the rise, I feel, is due to the current LoTV meta favouring abusive gimmicky plays. Entertaining and innovative he may be, but a top Terran he is not.)
"I don't like GuMiho because he's gimmicky. MyuNgSiK is also gimmicky but that's okay because he's Protoss"
What?
It's very simple. Let me use a footballing analogy. On one side, there is a less skilful team like Italy that has to rely more on physicality, tactical fouls and the occasional dirty plays to win (Protoss). On the other side, there is a team brimming with talent and skills like Brazil (Terran), and yet the coach decides to play the team using the style of a Protoss (Gumiho).
Italy and Brazil are both capable of winning the World Cup, provided they play according to their strengths.
Not a very exact equivalent, but that's the rough logic.
(Afterthought: Maybe I got the countries-race in reverse order, since Brazil-Protoss has been winning more tourneys.)
Every player has to play to their own strengths as well as the strengths of their race. That's what both GuMiho and MyuNgSiK are doing. Every Starcraft player is different. There are Protoss players who don't cheese (or "rely on gimmicks") a lot (Zest or Rain from the past come to mind) if at all, and then there is someone like MyuNgSiK who in the eyes of some people only does that.
Everyone has to do what works for them to be successful, and I don't see why it's okay if one player does it but not the other just because they play a different race. Not to mention, GuMiho is not a gimmicky player in TvT or TvZ at all, he plays quite standard most of the time, except in TvP. But if you watch other top Terrans recently, you will see a ton of gimmicky shit in TvP, so it's not like GuMiho is actually falling out of the norm there.
I was just using a simple analogy. Of course, in actual fact, football teams aren't that one-dimensional. Italy has great technical ability too, and can play a patient, positional and defensive game (somewhat like macro Toss ala Zest and Rain).
Yes, players should play to their strengths, and pick a race that suits their strengths. In my mind, Gumiho fits more in the Protoss mould. Just as Classic probably realised early on in SC2. Flash? Arguably Protoss would've fit him better too - he can turtle and macro up, and fall back to his early cheesy ways if he wish.
I just don't see Gumiho ever becoming a Top Terran and winning tourneys. He probably might not be a champion had he switched to Protoss anyway, but he would've achieved more and gone deeper (as Myungsik and Patience has).
Just a random musing I have, don't mean to start a shitstorm.
He originally played Random professionally and then decided that Terran was the race that played the most to his strengths. Probably because he is one of the best multitaskers in the game.
Besides, he's had multiple high tournament finishes in the past and was always a beast in teamleague play. He just never managed to make the final step and win an individual tournament. But I doubt if he picked Protoss back in Wings he would have won GSL in 2012 instead of going out in the semifinals.
I didn't watch as much in the early years. But yes, I vaguely recall him having some sick Maru-esque drop plays.
Maybe the meta has changed somewhat in LoTV too, favouring stronger Terran early game strats (which Gumiho adapted better than Maru). Still, I feel that Gumiho needs to strengthen up his mid game play to be a serious contender (like TY and Byun), which entails to cutting back on gimmicks.
Terrans in general are playing their TvP a bit more gimmicky these days. Things we've seen recently:
TY - proxy mine drop into 1-1-1 with cyclones & liberators - upgraded cyclone push/contain
INnoVation - mech - double factory on 1 base
I think that's just kinda the direction it's going atm at least for that one match-up. I don't really recall GuMiho doing too many crazy things in TvT or TvZ, and his mid-game in those looks pretty good most of the time.
Nice breakdown.
Inno's early game strats are just bad lol... or maybe it's the execution
On August 25 2016 12:13 RKC wrote: Personally, I'm pleased Myungsik won: - Gumiho is a gimmicky player playing a race that does not need to rely on gimmicks to win - Gumiho knocked out Classic (one of the more well-balanced Protoss player who mixes gimmicky and standard plays well, and who had been in the running for double Starleagues) - Myungsik, although gimmicky, plays a race that by nature relies heavily on gimmicks
(Yes, I'm not a fan of Gumiho. The main reason why he's on the rise, I feel, is due to the current LoTV meta favouring abusive gimmicky plays. Entertaining and innovative he may be, but a top Terran he is not.)
"I don't like GuMiho because he's gimmicky. MyuNgSiK is also gimmicky but that's okay because he's Protoss"
What?
It's very simple. Let me use a footballing analogy. On one side, there is a less skilful team like Italy that has to rely more on physicality, tactical fouls and the occasional dirty plays to win (Protoss). On the other side, there is a team brimming with talent and skills like Brazil (Terran), and yet the coach decides to play the team using the style of a Protoss (Gumiho).
Italy and Brazil are both capable of winning the World Cup, provided they play according to their strengths.
Not a very exact equivalent, but that's the rough logic.
(Afterthought: Maybe I got the countries-race in reverse order, since Brazil-Protoss has been winning more tourneys.)
Every player has to play to their own strengths as well as the strengths of their race. That's what both GuMiho and MyuNgSiK are doing. Every Starcraft player is different. There are Protoss players who don't cheese (or "rely on gimmicks") a lot (Zest or Rain from the past come to mind) if at all, and then there is someone like MyuNgSiK who in the eyes of some people only does that.
Everyone has to do what works for them to be successful, and I don't see why it's okay if one player does it but not the other just because they play a different race. Not to mention, GuMiho is not a gimmicky player in TvT or TvZ at all, he plays quite standard most of the time, except in TvP. But if you watch other top Terrans recently, you will see a ton of gimmicky shit in TvP, so it's not like GuMiho is actually falling out of the norm there.
I was just using a simple analogy. Of course, in actual fact, football teams aren't that one-dimensional. Italy has great technical ability too, and can play a patient, positional and defensive game (somewhat like macro Toss ala Zest and Rain).
Yes, players should play to their strengths, and pick a race that suits their strengths. In my mind, Gumiho fits more in the Protoss mould. Just as Classic probably realised early on in SC2. Flash? Arguably Protoss would've fit him better too - he can turtle and macro up, and fall back to his early cheesy ways if he wish.
I just don't see Gumiho ever becoming a Top Terran and winning tourneys. He probably might not be a champion had he switched to Protoss anyway, but he would've achieved more and gone deeper (as Myungsik and Patience has).
Just a random musing I have, don't mean to start a shitstorm.
He originally played Random professionally and then decided that Terran was the race that played the most to his strengths. Probably because he is one of the best multitaskers in the game.
Besides, he's had multiple high tournament finishes in the past and was always a beast in teamleague play. He just never managed to make the final step and win an individual tournament. But I doubt if he picked Protoss back in Wings he would have won GSL in 2012 instead of going out in the semifinals.
I didn't watch as much in the early years. But yes, I vaguely recall him having some sick Maru-esque drop plays.
Maybe the meta has changed somewhat in LoTV too, favouring stronger Terran early game strats (which Gumiho adapted better than Maru). Still, I feel that Gumiho needs to strengthen up his mid game play to be a serious contender (like TY and Byun), which entails to cutting back on gimmicks.
Terrans in general are playing their TvP a bit more gimmicky these days. Things we've seen recently:
TY - proxy mine drop into 1-1-1 with cyclones & liberators - upgraded cyclone push/contain
INnoVation - mech - double factory on 1 base
I think that's just kinda the direction it's going atm at least for that one match-up. I don't really recall GuMiho doing too many crazy things in TvT or TvZ, and his mid-game in those looks pretty good most of the time.
Nice breakdown.
Inno's early game strats are just bad lol... or maybe it's the execution
I think it's more about the execution. Like when he did his mech build he had a marine, a widow mine and a cyclone. When Stats's regularly timed oracle arrived only the marine was anywhere near Inno's base. When he did the 2 factory push he dropped a MULE instead of saving up energy for scanning observers (although Trust did a great job microing against the cyclones).
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herO! 
plus in fairness probably would enjoy her company more than the others. 
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