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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 04 2016 14:31 GMT
#201
On March 04 2016 23:29 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 23:27 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On March 04 2016 23:26 sharkie wrote:
But SSL is full of zergs as well

If you want to argue Zerg OP, SSL is a much better tournament with which to make your case.

And then you look at GSL and only two zergs have advanced to the Ro16, both in much closer ways than expected.

The best Zergs haven't played yet in GSL.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 04 2016 14:31 GMT
#202
On March 04 2016 23:23 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 23:21 Soularion wrote:
On March 04 2016 23:17 Binomyo wrote:
On March 04 2016 23:10 Schelim wrote:
On March 04 2016 23:09 Musicus wrote:
It's 3 ZvZs today, get hyped!

said noone ever


I play zerg but I have to admit that the only matches that was won against a Z was Polt-Lambo and Huk-PiG. Zergs presence is more and more predominant as the round goes.

Let's look at every zerg win.
Nerchio vs ShoWTimE : Very tight set, both players play very well, extremely tense until the last second.
Lilbow vs SortOf : Lilbow gets advantages, throws it by going all-in with blink stalkers time and time again.
MajOr vs Snute : Snute outplayed MajOr by holding him off, Snute was the favorite, no big deal.
Hydra vs Happy : Hydra heavy favorite, wins in a close set.
FireCake vs Has : FireCake is the definite favorite, plays smart and tactically against a cheesy player.
MarineLorD vs viOLet : Tense, tight set, MarineLorD loses based on his own mistakes and his own choices, not imba.
MaSa vs Snute : Snute is the heavy favorite.

So, really, the only 'upsets' were MarineLorD vs viOLet and Lilbow vs SortOf, both of which involved the non-zerg making a few key mistakes while the zerg played well and largely out-performed the other race. I don't think zerg is necessarily imba, I just think the zergs have proven to be the best players in this tournament.

Problem with that logic is that if zerg were to be the strongest race it would be easier to be considered "favorite"

only time Nerchio lost a set vs Showtime was in LotV (they peaked at different times though)
SortOf vs Lilbow - SortOf was terrible in late HotS, I'll give you that, but Lilbow also sucks now so it's pretty sketchy
MajOr vs Snute isn't close in any metagame where Snute gets to play lategame (Snute is 2:1 in sets in HotS, lost only in an online cup)
Hydra vs Happy - they never met offline and have been trading sets online in cups on EU in both LotV and HotS
FireCaek vs Has - just lol
MarineLorD vs viOlet - probably 50:50 in HotS? viOlet and MLord peaked at different times (MLord 2-1 viOlet in series in HotS, viOlet won 2-0 last time they met)
MaSa vs Snute - 50:50 at best in HotS (MaSa won a bo1 online and then Snute beat him 2:0 at IEM)

so I hope that settles it
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
VengefulTree
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada637 Posts
March 04 2016 14:31 GMT
#203
Hydra starting to have PTSD
"I'll temper my comments the best I can. To have Stats ranked anything below 2nd is total absolute bullcrap! A travesty an abomination!" - Rolltide | "When a foreign Terran is about to win, the entire universe conspires against him" - Paulo Coelho
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-04 14:33:31
March 04 2016 14:31 GMT
#204
Damn, neeb shut that counter down, after getting some nice skirmishes on the creep border.

And those disruptor shotssss
For Aiur???
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
March 04 2016 14:33 GMT
#205
On March 04 2016 23:30 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 23:25 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On March 04 2016 23:23 Poopi wrote:
On March 04 2016 23:21 Soularion wrote:
On March 04 2016 23:17 Binomyo wrote:
On March 04 2016 23:10 Schelim wrote:
On March 04 2016 23:09 Musicus wrote:
It's 3 ZvZs today, get hyped!

said noone ever


I play zerg but I have to admit that the only matches that was won against a Z was Polt-Lambo and Huk-PiG. Zergs presence is more and more predominant as the round goes.

Let's look at every zerg win.
Nerchio vs ShoWTimE : Very tight set, both players play very well, extremely tense until the last second.
Lilbow vs SortOf : Lilbow gets advantages, throws it by going all-in with blink stalkers time and time again.
MajOr vs Snute : Snute outplayed MajOr by holding him off, Snute was the favorite, no big deal.
Hydra vs Happy : Hydra heavy favorite, wins in a close set.
FireCake vs Has : FireCake is the definite favorite, plays smart and tactically against a cheesy player.
MarineLorD vs viOLet : Tense, tight set, MarineLorD loses based on his own mistakes and his own choices, not imba.
MaSa vs Snute : Snute is the heavy favorite.

So, really, the only 'upsets' were MarineLorD vs viOLet and Lilbow vs SortOf, both of which involved the non-zerg making a few key mistakes while the zerg played well and largely out-performed the other race. I don't think zerg is necessarily imba, I just think the zergs have proven to be the best players in this tournament.

Problem with that logic is that if zerg were to be the strongest race it would be easier to be considered "favorite"

Except all the players he named as favorites would still have been considered favorites in HotS.

EDIT: Darn, Soularion sniped me.

When Behind, Dark Shrine.

So what? By that HotS logic Lilbow would never lose to SortOf unless zerg super strong or something. But it's not HotS so favorite on HotS doesn't translate well to favorite on LotV.
The only thing that would help with the ZvZ would be to have a korean protoss.

Yeah, but then you look at the actual games- MaSa and MajOr vs Snute are Snute consistently out-playing, Has vs FireCake is FireCake outplaying, and presumably Happy vs Hydra is Hydra outplaying (although I didn't watch the matches).

SortOf vs Lilbow is Lilbow outplaying, only to end up going far too aggressive by going into blink all-in time after time. Does this make sense with his playstyle? Yes. Does this make sense with the meta? Yes. What about this screams 'zerg OP' to you, and how could Blizz nerf zerg without it tilting in the other direction?
Writermaru pls
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
March 04 2016 14:33 GMT
#206
LEL
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
March 04 2016 14:33 GMT
#207
OOHHHH YYEEEAAAAAHHHHHHH!
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
March 04 2016 14:33 GMT
#208
I like the grin from Neeb! Found his confidence. Gogogo!
Neosteel Enthusiast
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 04 2016 14:33 GMT
#209
dayum
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
March 04 2016 14:33 GMT
#210
Poll: Recommend Hydra vs Neeb game 4?

* Terrible (0)
 
0%

** Not Recommended (1)
 
8%

*** Pretty Good (0)
 
0%

**** Very Nice (9)
 
75%

***** Amazing! (2)
 
17%

12 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Hydra vs Neeb game 4?

(Vote): * Terrible
(Vote): ** Not Recommended
(Vote): *** Pretty Good
(Vote): **** Very Nice
(Vote): ***** Amazing!


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Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9223 Posts
March 04 2016 14:33 GMT
#211
GOGO NEEB! Really good play.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
March 04 2016 14:33 GMT
#212
no matter who loses game 5 it will be heartbreaking for them
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
March 04 2016 14:33 GMT
#213
rofl please Hydra don't embarrass yourself and lose to this guy again.
why even
Magnifico
Profile Joined March 2013
1958 Posts
March 04 2016 14:33 GMT
#214
siiiiiiiiick

VengefulTree
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada637 Posts
March 04 2016 14:34 GMT
#215
G5 will be a battle of nerves
"I'll temper my comments the best I can. To have Stats ranked anything below 2nd is total absolute bullcrap! A travesty an abomination!" - Rolltide | "When a foreign Terran is about to win, the entire universe conspires against him" - Paulo Coelho
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18629 Posts
March 04 2016 14:34 GMT
#216
wow I didn't know disruptors can hit buildings
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 04 2016 14:34 GMT
#217
On March 04 2016 23:34 sharkie wrote:
wow I didn't know disruptors can hit buildings

Yeah I was also kinda surprised.
kiss kiss fall in love
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
March 04 2016 14:34 GMT
#218
On March 04 2016 23:34 sharkie wrote:
wow I didn't know disruptors can hit buildings


They should hit air too
Liquipedia"Expert"
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
March 04 2016 14:34 GMT
#219
On March 04 2016 23:31 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 23:29 Soularion wrote:
On March 04 2016 23:27 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On March 04 2016 23:26 sharkie wrote:
But SSL is full of zergs as well

If you want to argue Zerg OP, SSL is a much better tournament with which to make your case.

And then you look at GSL and only two zergs have advanced to the Ro16, both in much closer ways than expected.

The best Zergs haven't played yet in GSL.

Well Solar advanced today. Soulkey was supposed to be one of the best Zergs but he played terribly. soO and Dark are the Zerg players you expect to advance but that still only makes it 4/16.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Yiome
Profile Joined February 2014
China1687 Posts
March 04 2016 14:34 GMT
#220
Really cool shade scout + disruptor shot combo
GG
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