We know Byun, Solar, and Bomber are all good at legacy. Excited to see what TY and Stork bring to the table (mores TY). Not sure what to expect from Zest/Parting/Rogue although they'll probably have a better showing than Lilbow did
On November 12 2015 13:05 Yorkie wrote: We know Byun, Solar, and Bomber are all good at legacy. Excited to see what TY and Stork bring to the table (mores TY). Not sure what to expect from Zest/Parting/Rogue although they'll probably have a better showing than Lilbow did
I thought it was known that PartinG was at the top of the ladder right before the end.
Zest > Bomber Solar > Stork TY < Rogue ByuN < PartinG passion < dead
On November 12 2015 13:05 Yorkie wrote: We know Byun, Solar, and Bomber are all good at legacy. Excited to see what TY and Stork bring to the table (mores TY). Not sure what to expect from Zest/Parting/Rogue although they'll probably have a better showing than Lilbow did
PartinG was rank #1 ladder at one point, so I think it's 50-50 for that match
On November 13 2015 00:30 smOOthMayDie wrote: I think stork > solar.
Simply because in gsl s3 he was knocked out by losing to sos and life, and took a game from sos.
I don't see the logic in this. Stork got eliminated in the Ro32 by sOs and Life months before Blizzcon so he's better than Solar who made it further in the tournament and actually beat sOs at Dreamhack a month before Blizzcon?
Announcing the Sandisk Extreme Pro Community Bonus Pool:
We are letting the community decide who gets bonus prize-money every day during the SHOUTcraft Invitational 2.
LR threads will feature a poll at the end of each day and $1000 per day will be up for grabs and split amongst the players based on their votes. Did a player get knocked out yet put up a brave fight that you feel deserves a reward? Was there an amazing play that we've never seen before that you think deserves to be highlighted? Your votes will determine where that extra $1000 per day, for a total of $3000, is awarded.
On November 13 2015 04:57 Tiaraju9 wrote: Any word if replays will be released to the public after the event?
We will not be releasing replays, the players dont like it and there are several big off-season tournaments coming up very soon they're participating in and would prefer not to have their builds so easily studied.
Honestly it's been a long time since we released replays for anything. We see very little benefit, almost nobody downloads them, yet it upsets our invited players so it makes little sense to do so.
On November 13 2015 09:49 ClanWars wrote: Announcing the Sandisk Extreme Pro Community Bonus Pool:
We are letting the community decide who gets bonus prize-money every day during the SHOUTcraft Invitational 2.
LR threads will feature a poll at the end of each day and $1000 per day will be up for grabs and split amongst the players based on their votes. Did a player get knocked out yet put up a brave fight that you feel deserves a reward? Was there an amazing play that we've never seen before that you think deserves to be highlighted? Your votes will determine where that extra $1000 per day, for a total of $3000, is awarded.
While i like it in theory, i think in the end it will be a popularity contest just like with every poll ever.
On November 13 2015 09:49 ClanWars wrote: Announcing the Sandisk Extreme Pro Community Bonus Pool:
We are letting the community decide who gets bonus prize-money every day during the SHOUTcraft Invitational 2.
LR threads will feature a poll at the end of each day and $1000 per day will be up for grabs and split amongst the players based on their votes. Did a player get knocked out yet put up a brave fight that you feel deserves a reward? Was there an amazing play that we've never seen before that you think deserves to be highlighted? Your votes will determine where that extra $1000 per day, for a total of $3000, is awarded.
While i like it in theory, i think in the end it will be a popularity contest just like with every poll ever.
We are entirely ok with it being a popularity contest.
It's also worth noting the last time we did something like this Darkforce was the one who walked away with the bulk of the money.
Hah that is interesting, that was a while ago hehe. I hope the "pimpest play" actually gets the money though, time to have faith in the community i guess :D It would be cool if you would choose some worthy actions and show them at the end of the day and let people vote based on that (i guess that might be hard to do though, so probably not worth the effort for tomorrow, but just an idea which would be interesting for the future )
Well whatever, i am pretty hyped to see some LOTV action , TY, Rogue and Zest GOOOOO
Damn hardly anyone has faith in Bomber? He's been looking really crafty in legacy so far. I'm excited to see what he brings to the table.
Oh it starts in 5 hours rofl I'm excited to see what he brings to the table...when I watch the vods . Nice to see you guys picking a good time for EU tho they get the shaft a lot so I don't mind
On November 13 2015 16:51 Yorkie wrote: Damn hardly anyone has faith in Bomber? He's been looking really crafty in legacy so far. I'm excited to see what he brings to the table.
Oh it starts in 5 hours rofl I'm excited to see what he brings to the table...when I watch the vods . Nice to see you guys picking a good time for EU tho they get the shaft a lot so I don't mind
Has he been really crafty? All I've seen him do in LotV was rallying bio over the map like it's WoL.
On November 13 2015 16:51 Yorkie wrote: Damn hardly anyone has faith in Bomber? He's been looking really crafty in legacy so far. I'm excited to see what he brings to the table.
Oh it starts in 5 hours rofl I'm excited to see what he brings to the table...when I watch the vods . Nice to see you guys picking a good time for EU tho they get the shaft a lot so I don't mind
Has he been really crafty? All I've seen him do in LotV was rallying bio over the map like it's WoL.
On November 13 2015 20:18 Tiaraju9 wrote: As someone that entered the scene in early 2013, I don't get all this Byun hype.
Well he was really good and then he was really gone and nobody knew why. It makes sense his somewhat sudden reappearance and his really solid play in online stuff would cause hype.
On November 13 2015 22:48 atrox_ wrote: not that it bothers me personally, but, I'm not sure sponsors are going to be ecstatic over the viewer numbers at the minute ):
~9500 for the first game at not the exactly best time isn't bad I think
On November 13 2015 22:48 atrox_ wrote: not that it bothers me personally, but, I'm not sure sponsors are going to be ecstatic over the viewer numbers at the minute ):
Almost 9k seems fine considering it's early in the morning in the US, afternoon in EU and night in Asia.
On November 13 2015 22:48 atrox_ wrote: not that it bothers me personally, but, I'm not sure sponsors are going to be ecstatic over the viewer numbers at the minute ):
9000 for an online tournament when a lot of Americans/Euros are at work and or not awake? that's pretty nice
On November 13 2015 22:43 Ysellian wrote: Sandisk SSD's any good? Actually looking to upgrade my SSD drive recently.
At least I haven't heard anything bad about them (Samsung had some firmware problems I think?) and a 10 year warranty makes it a safe purchase.
Thanks for the info! yeah I'm not going near Samsung, nice to hear nothing bad about Sandisk and the 10 year warranty is reassuring.
Apart from the firmware, which I assume has been fixed, I only heard good things about the Samsung 850 Evo though. So make sure to read some tests and compare prices!
On November 13 2015 22:43 Ysellian wrote: Sandisk SSD's any good? Actually looking to upgrade my SSD drive recently.
At least I haven't heard anything bad about them (Samsung had some firmware problems I think?) and a 10 year warranty makes it a safe purchase.
Thanks for the info! yeah I'm not going near Samsung, nice to hear nothing bad about Sandisk and the 10 year warranty is reassuring.
Apart from the firmware, which I assume has been fixed, I only heard good things about the Samsung 850 Evo though. So make sure to read some tests and compare prices!
I love how a-move is finally punishing for Protoss players that have all their units in one control group! Disruptors running into the opponent's army or not, shows who has control and who not.
On November 13 2015 23:19 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Do you think Zest was using chronoboost right? i can never use it well
all i know is I absolutely suck at using it right now, I feel like you're supposed to switch it quite often but half the time it stays on an inactive twilight/forge the whole game.
I hope Rogue has a good showing despite working his butt off for blizzcon, would really like to see his adaptive on the fly decision making put to great use in legacy
On November 13 2015 23:31 Strela wrote: I have never really seen stork play didn't even realise he played sc2 lol
there was that storyline when Samsung wanted to give Stork more playtime over JangBi so Code S JangBi was forced to retire from SC2 while Stork went 0-14 in Proleague
On November 13 2015 23:41 Elentos wrote: Btw does anyone know when GM opens? (Not for me as a player ofc but so I can better stalk the ladder progress of Korean pros <.<)
I think its 1 week after season start.
also this speedling crap happens to me all the time, they rush it out and get up to 3 bases for free while i'm stuck on 1. so annoying.
To be honest when I saw Stork being revealed as last invite, I was thinking "Really, Stork? Maybe he was really practicing LOTV but he isn't on par with the rest" and this just shows that he really isn't that good. :/
On November 13 2015 23:59 HolydaKing wrote: That series was kinda boring. Over at LiquidHearth there's some hot news for old BW fans: Elky joined Liquid. :O link
On November 13 2015 23:59 chambertin wrote: how long was the break before? - between the first series and this?
pls be short (sad to miss bomba wreckin' zest...)
so hyped for these 2 matches... (but surely the non-blizzcon players have some srs advantages????????)
Pretty short tbh.
On November 13 2015 23:59 Ej_ wrote: TY vs Rogue probably the best series today. Expecting full hellbat abuse.
If only hellbat abuse was still as glorious as early HotS.
everything is better with 2 liberators
But at the start of HotS hellbat was its own composition :O
I kinda expect at least one game to go like the Flash vs JD showmatch for the Korean LotV launch. And TY had a lot more time to practice than Rogue. So yeah, hoping for top 1 abuse.
On November 13 2015 23:59 HolydaKing wrote: That series was kinda boring. Over at LiquidHearth there's some hot news for old BW fans: Elky joined Liquid. :O link
Excuse me, I shall go fetch my most genuine "what?!" face.
On November 13 2015 23:57 Dodgin wrote: BUT SERIOUSLY
imagine if that goes unscouted and you make 8-12 zealots before showing them, instant win probably?
can he afford making 4 zealots constantly?
Probably not, gateway build time is about 1.5x zealot build time and in that time he only just managed to bank up 400 mins (granted he did need to build a few probes in that time). I reckon proxy 3 gate with cyber core behind it would probably be stronger.
On November 14 2015 00:19 Elentos wrote: The map was designed after the purifier campaign missions maybe? Not everything white/black/orange is Overwatch <.<
I think you're giving too much credit to Blizz map makers with "designed".
On November 14 2015 00:20 Tenks wrote: I hate the ramps on this tileset. It is so confusing where to wall. The gold base everywhere map is awkward to wall as well.
I think the ramps look really good though, just have to get used to it I guess.
On November 14 2015 00:19 Elentos wrote: The map was designed after the purifier campaign missions maybe? Not everything white/black/orange is Overwatch <.<
On November 14 2015 00:19 Elentos wrote: The map was designed after the purifier campaign missions maybe? Not everything white/black/orange is Overwatch <.<
I think you're giving too much credit to Blizz map makers with "designed".
Its tileset was taken from the Purifier campaign missions I guess is a better term. I hate playing on this map as Terran, I can't imagine what it's like for and .
On November 14 2015 00:20 The_Red_Viper wrote: I heard Terran lategame vs zerg is pretty much unwinnable, let's see if it gets to that stage
Ghosts make it winnable but you need to not get caught off guard with the ultras.
there's a really sick archon game that nate played with rifkin and zombiegrub on his channel, where they beat that. funnily enough they forgot they could make ghosts until the game was over xD. but yeah it was a long fight
On November 14 2015 00:20 Tenks wrote: I hate the ramps on this tileset. It is so confusing where to wall. The gold base everywhere map is awkward to wall as well.
corrupters peeing on buildings was my favorite thing from the beta, specifically watching fenner make builds based solely on peeing on bases into winning
On November 14 2015 00:31 Ramiz1989 wrote: None of these pros are even trying with the new units really... makes me wonder if they practiced with them at all.
To be fair to rogue, TvZ is pretty much still biomine vs LBM for the most part in LotV
On November 14 2015 00:31 Ramiz1989 wrote: None of these pros are even trying with the new units really... makes me wonder if they practiced with them at all.
Rogue vs TY looked pretty much like every LotV ZvT I had seen.
On November 14 2015 00:31 Ramiz1989 wrote: None of these pros are even trying with the new units really... makes me wonder if they practiced with them at all.
On November 14 2015 00:31 Ramiz1989 wrote: None of these pros are even trying with the new units really... makes me wonder if they practiced with them at all.
TY has been using liberators and tanks.
Bomber used liberators. Zest used adepts and disruptors but was really bad. Solar uses ravagers. Stork used adepts (he never got much further in the tech tree). Rogue used the new corruptor (and tried going for the new ultra and died). And ravagers.
On November 14 2015 00:31 Ramiz1989 wrote: None of these pros are even trying with the new units really... makes me wonder if they practiced with them at all.
TY has been using liberators and tanks.
Bomber used liberators. Zest used adepts and disruptors but was really bad. Solar uses ravagers. Stork used adepts (he never got much further in the tech tree). Rogue used the new corruptor (and tried going for the new ultra and died). And ravagers.
On November 14 2015 00:31 Ramiz1989 wrote: None of these pros are even trying with the new units really... makes me wonder if they practiced with them at all.
What are you on? We have seen Adept, Liberators, Ravagers and Disruptors. They are basically just doing what is viable. Unfortuantely, the diversity seems to be really bad in LOTV with certain compositions dominating specific matchups.
On November 14 2015 00:31 Ramiz1989 wrote: None of these pros are even trying with the new units really... makes me wonder if they practiced with them at all.
To be fair to rogue, TvZ is pretty much still biomine vs LBM for the most part in LotV
Really? Because out of ~50 TvZ's I've seen, every Terran was going for a lot of Liberators, and Zergs were going for mass Roaches and Ravagers with Corruptors, or Lings and Banes with Lurkers...
I've seen plenty of new units and different compositions from both sides(less from Terrans though) so I don't really agree that old strategies are still the best.
Maybe it would have been better to keep the group format from the first Sandisk Invitational so the players could show off their talent a bit more. But whatever.
On November 14 2015 00:38 KingofdaHipHop wrote: do you still have to research overlord drop?
you need an evo chamber and then you can morph any OL to be a carrier
you have to morph them? weird
still better than spending 200/200 on a tech that allows you to suicide units into opponent's base
but Symbol loved doing that D:
Symbol the only player to have positive winrate with nydus too
He was also the only player who thought dropping 200/200 of roaches into a congested terran base while siege tanks rained hell upon them was a good idea
On November 14 2015 00:45 Elentos wrote: Maybe it would have been better to keep the group format from the first Sandisk Invitational so the players could show off their talent a bit more. But whatever.
On November 14 2015 00:42 Elentos wrote: At least Rotti was watching the banshees.
Yeah I just saw the dead drone count rising and wondering why they were uninterested in talking about it
Because calling the fight makes more sense when you can clearly see the drone count going down in the corner...
But it wasn't even mentioned and completely defined the game. If he actually defended those banshees he could have been free to simply walk back to his base at a disadvantage but not being forced all-in.
On November 14 2015 00:38 KingofdaHipHop wrote: do you still have to research overlord drop?
you need an evo chamber and then you can morph any OL to be a carrier
you have to morph them? weird
still better than spending 200/200 on a tech that allows you to suicide units into opponent's base
but Symbol loved doing that D:
Symbol the only player to have positive winrate with nydus too
He was also the only player who thought dropping 200/200 of roaches into a congested terran base while siege tanks rained hell upon them was a good idea
Isn't stuff like that why the Terran armies always have to retreat in the "Defend for X minutes" campaign missions? :3
Imagine if timing attack/all-ins were heavily nerfed so players wouldn't try this stupid shit. And instead developers could focus on promoting aggressive macrogames. Would be so much more fun to play than this one-battle-into-gg.
On November 14 2015 00:47 Hider wrote: Imagine if timing attack/all-ins were heavily nerfed so players wouldn't try this stupid shit. And instead developers could focus on promoting aggressive macrogames. Would be so much more fun to play than this one-battle-into-gg.
Meh the players aren't even experienced yet in LOTV, a little early to call this
On November 14 2015 00:47 Hider wrote: Imagine if timing attack/all-ins were heavily nerfed so players wouldn't try this stupid shit. And instead developers could focus on promoting aggressive macrogames. Would be so much more fun to play than this one-battle-into-gg.
Imagine if things got heavily nerfed before there was a lot of time given to the best players to figure out what is strong and how to play more defensively.
On November 14 2015 00:47 Hider wrote: Imagine if timing attack/all-ins were heavily nerfed so players wouldn't try this stupid shit. And instead developers could focus on promoting aggressive macrogames. Would be so much more fun to play than this one-battle-into-gg.
LotV tries to do that. Its just these games aren't very representative of LotV I feel. I've seen much better Legacy games elsewhere.
Disruptors are fun but Medivac healing rate is just frustarting. Literraly means low burst/no AOE-units cannot kill bio units, which can make the game quite snowbally.
On November 14 2015 01:05 Tiaraju9 wrote: Even Parting is struggling with army control. That tells us how hard is to play protoss right now.
To be fair Terrans can just use the same micro they've been doing for the longest time. High level Terrans already know how to micro well for Legacy where Toss need to learn something new.
On November 14 2015 01:05 Tiaraju9 wrote: Even Parting is struggling with army control. That tells us how hard is to play protoss right now.
To be fair Terrans can just use the same micro they've been doing for the longest time. High level Terrans already know how to micro well for Legacy where Toss need to learn something new.
I agree. That's why I believe that Blizzard should not make balance changes for a while.
On November 14 2015 01:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: Maybe Disruptor shots should have an explode button like banelings?
I think they should last longer before auto exploding, maybe 1 second more.
Maybe as an upgrade. The way Parting had his Disruptors postured made them more zoning and defensive. If he put them more forward he could get the ball into Byun's army better but would also put them in danger -- which I feel is a good design.
On November 14 2015 01:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: Maybe Disruptor shots should have an explode button like banelings?
I think they should last longer before auto exploding, maybe 1 second more.
The thing is that this also gives the enemy more time to split/whatever. I feel like a manual explode option wouldn't be really broken either?
why not both :D
Longer time basically means more range, not sure if that is needed. I feel like the main problem is that you have to focus on the shot till it explodes, i think that might be the only micro in the game which works like that (fill focus on one thing only otherwise it's useless)
On November 14 2015 01:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: Maybe Disruptor shots should have an explode button like banelings?
I think they should last longer before auto exploding, maybe 1 second more.
The thing is that this also gives the enemy more time to split/whatever. I feel like a manual explode option wouldn't be really broken either?
why not both :D
Longer time basically means more range, not sure if that is needed. I feel like the main problem is that you have to focus on the shot till it explodes, i think that might be the only micro in the game which works like that (fill focus on one thing only otherwise it's useless)
Do you manage to do something else while splitting marines ? If so, how does it feel being an automaton ?
On November 14 2015 01:19 Shellshock wrote: when the protoss uses the adept ghost jump ability whatever it's called, can the terran see the specter or is that just for observers?
On November 14 2015 01:19 Shellshock wrote: when the protoss uses the adept ghost jump ability whatever it's called, can the terran see the specter or is that just for observers?
On November 14 2015 01:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: Maybe Disruptor shots should have an explode button like banelings?
I think they should last longer before auto exploding, maybe 1 second more.
The thing is that this also gives the enemy more time to split/whatever. I feel like a manual explode option wouldn't be really broken either?
why not both :D
Longer time basically means more range, not sure if that is needed. I feel like the main problem is that you have to focus on the shot till it explodes, i think that might be the only micro in the game which works like that (fill focus on one thing only otherwise it's useless)
Do you manage to do something else while splitting marines ? If so, how does it feel being an automaton ?
I don't think that's really the same though. Splitting is really fast and every additional second you invest in the micro you just get a potentially better result. With the disruptor you HAVE TO focus on it till it explodes otherwise it doesn't do anything really. Pretty different concept imo
On November 14 2015 01:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: Maybe Disruptor shots should have an explode button like banelings?
I think they should last longer before auto exploding, maybe 1 second more.
The thing is that this also gives the enemy more time to split/whatever. I feel like a manual explode option wouldn't be really broken either?
why not both :D
Longer time basically means more range, not sure if that is needed. I feel like the main problem is that you have to focus on the shot till it explodes, i think that might be the only micro in the game which works like that (fill focus on one thing only otherwise it's useless)
Do you manage to do something else while splitting marines ? If so, how does it feel being an automaton ?
I don't think that's really the same though. Splitting is really fast and every additional second you invest in the micro you just get a potentially better result. With the disruptor you HAVE TO focus on it till it explodes otherwise it doesn't do anything really. Pretty different concept imo
I'm sorry, I was just being pedantic. I know what you mean, and I agree. But to be honest, if you're "only" gonna split you 30 marines blob into 3 blobs of 10 marines, you might as well not split at all :p That's what I wanted to say: you have to "commit" to the split as well, otherwise you're still not being cost-efficient. But I agree, it doesn't feel similar to the disruptor thingy. Anyway, sorry for the thread-derailing.
On November 14 2015 01:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: Maybe Disruptor shots should have an explode button like banelings?
I think they should last longer before auto exploding, maybe 1 second more.
The thing is that this also gives the enemy more time to split/whatever. I feel like a manual explode option wouldn't be really broken either?
why not both :D
Longer time basically means more range, not sure if that is needed. I feel like the main problem is that you have to focus on the shot till it explodes, i think that might be the only micro in the game which works like that (fill focus on one thing only otherwise it's useless)
Do you manage to do something else while splitting marines ? If so, how does it feel being an automaton ?
I don't think that's really the same though. Splitting is really fast and every additional second you invest in the micro you just get a potentially better result. With the disruptor you HAVE TO focus on it till it explodes otherwise it doesn't do anything really. Pretty different concept imo
I'm sorry, I was just being pedantic. I know what you mean, and I agree. But to be honest, if you're "only" gonna split you 30 marines blob into 3 blobs of 10 marines, you might as well not split at all :p That's what I wanted to say: you have to "commit" to the split as well, otherwise you're still not being cost-efficient. But I agree, it doesn't feel similar to the disruptor thingy. Anyway, sorry for the thread-derailing.
Haha i see Well yes you have to commit to splitting too soemwhat, i still think it is faster and what is more important, you have it in your hand entirely for that commitment. Good splits will always be good, so you don't waste your time doing it. A well microed disruptor shot still can do absolutely nothing if the enemy is on top of his micro. When i think about the disruptor concept, i really dislike it now. (i also hope it is ok to somewhat argue about LOTV in this thread )
On November 14 2015 01:29 Elentos wrote: So... small talk time? What's everyone's favourite commander for co-op and what's the weirdest teammate you had so far?
I didn't play every commander so far. But I'm playing Vorazun now and she is insane with her DTs. Also the Dark Archon is sick. I only played with RL friends so far.
On November 14 2015 01:29 Elentos wrote: So... small talk time? What's everyone's favourite commander for co-op and what's the weirdest teammate you had so far?
I didn't play every commander so far. But I'm playing Vorazun now and she is insane with her DTs. Also the Dark Archon is sick. I only played with RL friends so far.
Ah nice. I really like Swann so far (I haven't tried the Zergs yet because Zerg is my worst). And my weirdest teammate was a guy who played Artanis, went AFK until the first train arrived (and then immediately made 6 pylons for his opener) stood on 1 base the entire time and built nothing but gateway units. And somehow that worked.
On November 14 2015 01:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Rogue out 3-0? Darn it... not enough time to practice LotV after Blizzcon I guess
Even then he made basic mistakes like losing 2 drones to a reaper (+ almost losing more he turned into extractors) and trying to tech to ultras when TY started the parade.
On November 14 2015 01:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Rogue out 3-0? Darn it... not enough time to practice LotV after Blizzcon I guess
Even then he made basic mistakes like losing 2 drones to a reaper (+ almost losing more he turned into extractors) and trying to tech to ultras when TY started the parade.
Well it does take time to get used to that reaper as a zerg. Even if you never lost drones in HotS, you might lose them now.
On November 14 2015 01:29 Elentos wrote: So... small talk time? What's everyone's favourite commander for co-op and what's the weirdest teammate you had so far?
The two protoss commanders since id need new hotkeys for Zerg and Terran!
Weirdest teammate was a russian guy was playing the defend sgt base map, was on hard (one of the first tries) soooo he build like 30 units and never moved out trying to kill stuff with hyperion so i had to solo win that game lol
On November 14 2015 01:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Rogue out 3-0? Darn it... not enough time to practice LotV after Blizzcon I guess
Even then he made basic mistakes like losing 2 drones to a reaper (+ almost losing more he turned into extractors) and trying to tech to ultras when TY started the parade.
Well it does take time to get used to that reaper as a zerg. Even if you never lost drones in HotS, you might lose them now.
Right but the reaper doesn't really have higher DPS and Rogue is really good at this game so he should be fast enough to spore cancel I'd say.
On November 14 2015 01:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Rogue out 3-0? Darn it... not enough time to practice LotV after Blizzcon I guess
Even then he made basic mistakes like losing 2 drones to a reaper (+ almost losing more he turned into extractors) and trying to tech to ultras when TY started the parade.
Losing too much to early pokes is a clear sign he hasn't had much LotV experience.
On November 14 2015 01:18 KingofdaHipHop wrote: are zealots dead
They buffed the charge damage by +8 so I don't think so
Remember that time when someone at Blizzard thought making charge do 30 damage on contact was a good idea?
That was a bug.
No, the +30 damage was intentional. Because they had a bug in internal testing where the damage wasn't always applied they buffed it to unreasonable amounts.
On November 14 2015 02:20 Sif_ wrote: I dont think parting engaged quite well against the liberators there to be honest...
how should he do that
There was an angle there that he could've fought without going into the 7+ liberator zone
edit: Not that im nowhere near close to partings skill or understanding of the game, it's just that i think liberators will be much weaker once people grind some lotv and learn how to deal with it better
On November 14 2015 02:22 Arceus wrote: Just watch the first full LotV game and it still looks very deathball-y to me, despite some new units that force spreading micro.
SC2 is deathbally, it would take a complete overhaul of how the game handles unit collision and pathing to change that.
On November 14 2015 02:33 WigglingSquid wrote: Not very fond of the new immortals.
I think Immos are about the same in the scenario. If Parting controlled their shield manually and activated it when the marines were focusing on the Immortal it would have been better. But when he actually engaged with the Immos their shields were on cooldown because they got pot-shot by a tank previously.
Guys. Guys I figured it out. How to defend 111 on that map. You just make a pylon at the choke which creates a wall-off. When the 111 comes you Overcharge it. It forces the Terran to kill the Pylon only with the tank which will take a while buying you more time to prepare your defense.
On November 14 2015 02:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Honestly disruptor vs liberator makes for better PvT fights
Yeah, disruptors and liberators surely have their own problems and I can kinda understand people complaining but even then it is way more interesting than bio vs colossus/stalker ball ever was imo
On November 14 2015 02:48 KtJ wrote: So how were the other games today?
Much worse than this. Much, much worse.
What happened in TY/Rogue?
They played 1 nice macro game where Rogue died during a hive transition and other 2 were really bad all-ins
To be more precise:
Game 1 - Rogue loses 2 drones to a reaper, goes for a 2-base bane bust, doesn't kill, follow-up roach/ravager attack gets shut down even worse, he rolls over and dies.
Game 2 - macro game.
Game 3 - roach stuff into nydus shenanigans, but banshees killed 22 workers while liberators and stimmed bio held the front.
On November 14 2015 02:53 Lunareste wrote: I don't know about you guys, but I find TvP so much more fucking interesting than WOL/HOTS.
yeah this reminds me of a non deathball style game and that's always more fun to watch and play.
I was about to comment the same thing. Only saw one of the games but was really fun to watch Protoss not turtling and colossi. Hopefully stays this way . I really like the disruptor as well.
On November 14 2015 02:58 Yorkie wrote: Hmm liberators seem strong. I'm sure there's a way to deal with them but I don't think purely blink stalkers is it. Great series btw
I think you can deal with them in low numbers with blink but once they get to that 8+ mass you simply have to have tempests on the field
On November 14 2015 02:58 Yorkie wrote: Hmm liberators seem strong. I'm sure there's a way to deal with them but I don't think purely blink stalkers is it. Great series btw
Tempest. Am I the only one who has been watching lotv tournaments? We've seen this before.
On November 14 2015 02:58 Yorkie wrote: Hmm liberators seem strong. I'm sure there's a way to deal with them but I don't think purely blink stalkers is it. Great series btw
Tempest. Am I the only one who has been watching lotv tournaments? We've seen this before.
On November 14 2015 03:02 pzlama333 wrote: Is he the same Parting I watched earlier? He has problem in brutal campaign.
Beating brutal campaign is largely based on choosing the right strategy that takes the least execution to win. I wasn't watching but I have a feeling Parting wasn't doing that. Also if you're actually using that to judge his skill at this game LOL
I love Zest and I love Stork, but heck none of the guys that lost today have earned to win the extra money anywhere close to partinG heck, looking at some of the games some of the winners haven't even earned (as in they didn't have to do anything, their opponents just killed themselfs basically) it as much as PartinG!
On November 14 2015 03:02 pzlama333 wrote: Is he the same Parting I watched earlier? He has problem in brutal campaign.
Beating brutal campaign is largely based on choosing the right strategy that takes the least execution to win. I wasn't watching but I have a feeling Parting wasn't doing that. Also if you're actually using that to judge his skill at this game LOL
100k tournament for beating brutal campaign fastest
On November 14 2015 03:06 Marcinko wrote: Protoss expansion and no Protoss in the semi's. Lol.
Everyone was mad at the beginning of hots because zerg was super weak (particularly against terran due to nobody knowing how to beat mines/hellbats). Give it time
On November 14 2015 03:06 Marcinko wrote: Protoss expansion and no Protoss in the semi's. Lol.
Everyone was mad at the beginning of hots because zerg was super weak (particularly against terran due to nobody knowing how to beat mines/hellbats). Give it time
Indeed, we Protoss shall rise again, amidst yet again more and more balance whining constructive critizism towards the design of the race that is not at all balance whining in any way shape or form!
On November 14 2015 03:15 stuchiu wrote: I like it when its terrible for a race like it was for Terran during bl/infestor cause it makes Mvp look so much better in comparison.
Yeah man totally comparable situations I mean hell Legacy has been out for 4 days now you'd think one of these protosses would've figured some big stuff out. Also btw Life vs terran at the beginning of HotS was just as sick as anything Mvp did during BL/infestor. (inb4 "but he didn't have a broken back")
On November 14 2015 03:27 Shellshock wrote: so I only got to see the first 2 games of Byun vs Parting but the rest of the series is worth going back and watching?
On November 14 2015 03:27 Shellshock wrote: so I only got to see the first 2 games of Byun vs Parting but the rest of the series is worth going back and watching?
On November 14 2015 03:27 Shellshock wrote: so I only got to see the first 2 games of Byun vs Parting but the rest of the series is worth going back and watching?
I wouldn't say no to that, the games were glorious
On November 14 2015 03:15 stuchiu wrote: I like it when its terrible for a race like it was for Terran during bl/infestor cause it makes Mvp look so much better in comparison.
Terran actually could win with good viking controll iirc, protoss was pretty fucked though for the most part
On November 14 2015 03:15 stuchiu wrote: I like it when its terrible for a race like it was for Terran during bl/infestor cause it makes Mvp look so much better in comparison.
Yeah man totally comparable situations I mean hell Legacy has been out for 4 days now you'd think one of these protosses would've figured some big stuff out. Also btw Life vs terran at the beginning of HotS was just as sick as anything Mvp did during BL/infestor. (inb4 "but he didn't have a broken back")
Life vs terran in early hots is during that MLG run is overrated. The game was never broken at that point. In hindsight terran was not imba at all during that period. Terran at the end of hots was stronger than terran at that mlg.
On November 14 2015 03:15 stuchiu wrote: I like it when its terrible for a race like it was for Terran during bl/infestor cause it makes Mvp look so much better in comparison.
Terran actually could win with good viking controll iirc, protoss was pretty fucked though for the most part
Nope. Teraan was completely fucked. Unless you were significantly ahead ie. your 2/2 bio-tank push all but kills zerg you'd lose no matter your viking control. Protoss had much more a chance albeit in an extraordinarily stupid way. Toss would hit vortex and win or miss and lose, or soul train. However, it allowed win rates to be closer to 50/50 in pvz compared to tvz in the dumbest way possible.
On November 14 2015 03:15 stuchiu wrote: I like it when its terrible for a race like it was for Terran during bl/infestor cause it makes Mvp look so much better in comparison.
Yeah man totally comparable situations I mean hell Legacy has been out for 4 days now you'd think one of these protosses would've figured some big stuff out. Also btw Life vs terran at the beginning of HotS was just as sick as anything Mvp did during BL/infestor. (inb4 "but he didn't have a broken back")
Life vs terran in early hots is during that MLG run is overrated. The game was never broken at that point. In hindsight terran was not imba at all during that period. Terran at the end of hots was stronger than terran at that mlg.
Whereas the perception of Mvp vs zerg during Bl/infestor is not overrated at all . Whether or not terran was broken (and I agree they weren't) zergs still hadn't figured out how to beat them (specifically widow mines) yet. Except Life.
On November 14 2015 03:15 stuchiu wrote: I like it when its terrible for a race like it was for Terran during bl/infestor cause it makes Mvp look so much better in comparison.
Yeah man totally comparable situations I mean hell Legacy has been out for 4 days now you'd think one of these protosses would've figured some big stuff out. Also btw Life vs terran at the beginning of HotS was just as sick as anything Mvp did during BL/infestor. (inb4 "but he didn't have a broken back")
Life vs terran in early hots is during that MLG run is overrated. The game was never broken at that point. In hindsight terran was not imba at all during that period. Terran at the end of hots was stronger than terran at that mlg.
Whereas the perception of Mvp vs zerg during Bl/infestor is not overrated at all . Whether or not terran was broken (and I agree they weren't) zergs still hadn't figured out how to beat them (specifically widow mines) yet. Except Life.
Mvp won one tournament during broodlord infestor and that was mostly against foreign zergs.
On November 14 2015 03:15 stuchiu wrote: I like it when its terrible for a race like it was for Terran during bl/infestor cause it makes Mvp look so much better in comparison.
Yeah man totally comparable situations I mean hell Legacy has been out for 4 days now you'd think one of these protosses would've figured some big stuff out. Also btw Life vs terran at the beginning of HotS was just as sick as anything Mvp did during BL/infestor. (inb4 "but he didn't have a broken back")
Life vs terran in early hots is during that MLG run is overrated. The game was never broken at that point. In hindsight terran was not imba at all during that period. Terran at the end of hots was stronger than terran at that mlg.
Whereas the perception of Mvp vs zerg during Bl/infestor is not overrated at all . Whether or not terran was broken (and I agree they weren't) zergs still hadn't figured out how to beat them (specifically widow mines) yet. Except Life.
it was the first tournament in HotS, how do you know zergs didn't know how to beat terran?
On November 14 2015 03:15 stuchiu wrote: I like it when its terrible for a race like it was for Terran during bl/infestor cause it makes Mvp look so much better in comparison.
Yeah man totally comparable situations I mean hell Legacy has been out for 4 days now you'd think one of these protosses would've figured some big stuff out. Also btw Life vs terran at the beginning of HotS was just as sick as anything Mvp did during BL/infestor. (inb4 "but he didn't have a broken back")
Life vs terran in early hots is during that MLG run is overrated. The game was never broken at that point. In hindsight terran was not imba at all during that period. Terran at the end of hots was stronger than terran at that mlg.
Whereas the perception of Mvp vs zerg during Bl/infestor is not overrated at all . Whether or not terran was broken (and I agree they weren't) zergs still hadn't figured out how to beat them (specifically widow mines) yet. Except Life.
Mvp won one tournament during broodlord infestor and that was mostly against foreign zergs.
On November 14 2015 13:47 Parcelleus wrote: Cya in about six months when DK's love affair with Terran is put back in check , again.
3 terrans advanced in an online tournament days after the game was released. Think it'd too early to cry imbalance
and 2 of the players that lost to them were in Blizzcon so they were playing HoTS longer than anyone with likely the least amount of LotV practice. the other one was a very close 2-3 lol. talk about overreaction
On November 14 2015 13:47 Parcelleus wrote: Cya in about six months when DK's love affair with Terran is put back in check , again.
3 terrans advanced in an online tournament days after the game was released. Think it'd too early to cry imbalance
and 2 of the players that lost to them were in Blizzcon so they were playing HoTS longer than anyone with likely the least amount of LotV practice. the other one was a very close 2-3 lol. talk about overreaction
Not to mention, Zest was really bad yesterday and played like it was HotS, TY barely used liberators against Rogue, and ByuN who's probably the best LotV Terran in the tournament only barely won against the best LotV Protoss in the tournament.
I'd give it some time before going IMBA IMBA IMBA.
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