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On May 24 2015 09:09 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 09:08 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 09:07 stuchiu wrote:On May 24 2015 09:06 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 09:06 Elentos wrote:On May 24 2015 09:04 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 09:03 Elentos wrote:On May 24 2015 09:01 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 09:00 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 08:59 Alucen-Will- wrote:
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I'm looking forward to it too, I think Reality is a fairly solid Terran player Meh Dreams TvT is so hit and mainly miss I am not that hyped. Hope SKT just 3-0 before that. Still Dream beat Flash in that second Bo3 in GSL which was pretty impressive I think That was luck more than anything, really. Flash won 3 of 5 games, he then gifted one to Dream by moving his entire air army out of position for a drop despite knowing Dream had to have a massive drop still close. Only one of 5 games where I'd say Dream was better and in the lead for the game. Dream making less mistakes in the second bo3 isnt luck. His positioning and movement in g3 in bo3 no2 was very good and is what pulled Flashes army out of position. No. I am talking about g1 of their rematch. On Iron Fortress. Flash was in a commanding position, way ahead. Then he moved out his vikings despite having spotted the doom drop. That was the lucky moment that turned it around. Otheriwise it would have been 4-0 for Flash. Who never even changed his build. Yeah. It's also completely untrue that Flash doesn't change his builds. Flash's builds literally create the Terran metagame.. No they don't. You're thinking of Innovation. That's actually a pretty impressive troll. 4/5 Swag Bro's You do know who you are talking to right? Also INno defined 2013 Terran macro meta not Flash. Flash hasnt defined any meta in sc2 so far.
You guys are hilarious lol
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There are no build I'd credit to Flash in SC2.
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On May 24 2015 09:09 Alucen-Will- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 09:09 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 09:08 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 09:07 stuchiu wrote:On May 24 2015 09:06 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 09:06 Elentos wrote:On May 24 2015 09:04 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 09:03 Elentos wrote:On May 24 2015 09:01 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 09:00 GumBa wrote:
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Meh Dreams TvT is so hit and mainly miss I am not that hyped. Hope SKT just 3-0 before that. Still Dream beat Flash in that second Bo3 in GSL which was pretty impressive I think That was luck more than anything, really. Flash won 3 of 5 games, he then gifted one to Dream by moving his entire air army out of position for a drop despite knowing Dream had to have a massive drop still close. Only one of 5 games where I'd say Dream was better and in the lead for the game. Dream making less mistakes in the second bo3 isnt luck. His positioning and movement in g3 in bo3 no2 was very good and is what pulled Flashes army out of position. No. I am talking about g1 of their rematch. On Iron Fortress. Flash was in a commanding position, way ahead. Then he moved out his vikings despite having spotted the doom drop. That was the lucky moment that turned it around. Otheriwise it would have been 4-0 for Flash. Who never even changed his build. Yeah. It's also completely untrue that Flash doesn't change his builds. Flash's builds literally create the Terran metagame.. No they don't. You're thinking of Innovation. That's actually a pretty impressive troll. 4/5 Swag Bro's You do know who you are talking to right? Also INno defined 2013 Terran macro meta not Flash. Flash hasnt defined any meta in sc2 so far. You guys are hilarious lol
14 cc 15 rax 16 gas 3oc is literally what Inno showed when hots came out and perfected it. Its his contribution not Flashes.
Flash has contributed nothing.
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On May 24 2015 09:09 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 09:08 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 09:07 stuchiu wrote:On May 24 2015 09:06 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 09:06 Elentos wrote:On May 24 2015 09:04 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 09:03 Elentos wrote:On May 24 2015 09:01 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 09:00 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 08:59 Alucen-Will- wrote:
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I'm looking forward to it too, I think Reality is a fairly solid Terran player Meh Dreams TvT is so hit and mainly miss I am not that hyped. Hope SKT just 3-0 before that. Still Dream beat Flash in that second Bo3 in GSL which was pretty impressive I think That was luck more than anything, really. Flash won 3 of 5 games, he then gifted one to Dream by moving his entire air army out of position for a drop despite knowing Dream had to have a massive drop still close. Only one of 5 games where I'd say Dream was better and in the lead for the game. Dream making less mistakes in the second bo3 isnt luck. His positioning and movement in g3 in bo3 no2 was very good and is what pulled Flashes army out of position. No. I am talking about g1 of their rematch. On Iron Fortress. Flash was in a commanding position, way ahead. Then he moved out his vikings despite having spotted the doom drop. That was the lucky moment that turned it around. Otheriwise it would have been 4-0 for Flash. Who never even changed his build. Yeah. It's also completely untrue that Flash doesn't change his builds. Flash's builds literally create the Terran metagame.. No they don't. You're thinking of Innovation. That's actually a pretty impressive troll. 4/5 Swag Bro's You do know who you are talking to right? Also INno defined 2013 Terran macro meta not Flash. Flash hasnt defined any meta in sc2 so far.
Inno also defined losing to Roach Bane all-in every single time too.
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And salvaging bunkers vs a blink all in doesn't count as a build as far as i know.
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On May 24 2015 09:10 stuchiu wrote:
There are no build I'd credit to Flash in SC2.
Aren't you the one who thinks that MKP and Flash play a similar style of TvZ?
I like you a lot Stuchio but for all the years of sc2 experience I expect a lot more game knowledge.
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United States97276 Posts
Flash invented 2rax. Also invented 14cc and barracks after supply depot
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On May 24 2015 09:08 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 09:06 Elentos wrote:On May 24 2015 09:04 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 09:03 Elentos wrote:On May 24 2015 09:01 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 09:00 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 08:59 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 08:58 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 08:58 Elentos wrote:On May 24 2015 08:57 GumBa wrote:[quote] Maybe Dreams can come true  Dream vs Reality this Tuesday. Best Proleague match since Reality vs Fantasy. I have the day off but might not be able to watch on tuesday. RIP hope I can find time. I'm looking forward to it too, I think Reality is a fairly solid Terran player Meh Dreams TvT is so hit and mainly miss I am not that hyped. Hope SKT just 3-0 before that. Still Dream beat Flash in that second Bo3 in GSL which was pretty impressive I think That was luck more than anything, really. Flash won 3 of 5 games, he then gifted one to Dream by moving his entire air army out of position for a drop despite knowing Dream had to have a massive drop still close. Only one of 5 games where I'd say Dream was better and in the lead for the game. Dream making less mistakes in the second bo3 isnt luck. His positioning and movement in g3 in bo3 no2 was very good and is what pulled Flashes army out of position. No. I am talking about g1 of their rematch. On Iron Fortress. Flash was in a commanding position, way ahead. Then he moved out his vikings despite having spotted the doom drop. That was the lucky moment that turned it around. Otheriwise it would have been 4-0 for Flash. Who never even changed his build. Ah ok. Lucky moments are parts of all sports though. I agree Flash overall has better TvT but his other two mu are srsly lacking compared to Dream so I am happy Dream got through in the end (and I am a fan lol) but I would like Flash to get back to his summer 2014 form and become more flexible.
Yeah sure, I have no problem with it and I like the kid. But Dream has to fix up his TvT ffs. It's enough for someone like SuperNova, but people like Maru or Flash are far out of his league despite not being that far superior as players overall.
FFS, SKT Sorry has better TvT than Dream and Sorry's not gonna reach a Starleague final any time soon.
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On May 24 2015 09:10 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 09:09 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 09:08 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 09:07 stuchiu wrote:On May 24 2015 09:06 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 09:06 Elentos wrote:On May 24 2015 09:04 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 09:03 Elentos wrote:On May 24 2015 09:01 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 09:00 GumBa wrote:
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Meh Dreams TvT is so hit and mainly miss I am not that hyped. Hope SKT just 3-0 before that. Still Dream beat Flash in that second Bo3 in GSL which was pretty impressive I think That was luck more than anything, really. Flash won 3 of 5 games, he then gifted one to Dream by moving his entire air army out of position for a drop despite knowing Dream had to have a massive drop still close. Only one of 5 games where I'd say Dream was better and in the lead for the game. Dream making less mistakes in the second bo3 isnt luck. His positioning and movement in g3 in bo3 no2 was very good and is what pulled Flashes army out of position. No. I am talking about g1 of their rematch. On Iron Fortress. Flash was in a commanding position, way ahead. Then he moved out his vikings despite having spotted the doom drop. That was the lucky moment that turned it around. Otheriwise it would have been 4-0 for Flash. Who never even changed his build. Yeah. It's also completely untrue that Flash doesn't change his builds. Flash's builds literally create the Terran metagame.. No they don't. You're thinking of Innovation. That's actually a pretty impressive troll. 4/5 Swag Bro's You do know who you are talking to right? Also INno defined 2013 Terran macro meta not Flash. Flash hasnt defined any meta in sc2 so far. Inno also defined losing to Roach Bane all-in every single time too.
hahaha wp :D
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On May 24 2015 09:10 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 09:09 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 09:08 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 09:07 stuchiu wrote:On May 24 2015 09:06 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 09:06 Elentos wrote:On May 24 2015 09:04 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 09:03 Elentos wrote:On May 24 2015 09:01 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 09:00 GumBa wrote:
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Meh Dreams TvT is so hit and mainly miss I am not that hyped. Hope SKT just 3-0 before that. Still Dream beat Flash in that second Bo3 in GSL which was pretty impressive I think That was luck more than anything, really. Flash won 3 of 5 games, he then gifted one to Dream by moving his entire air army out of position for a drop despite knowing Dream had to have a massive drop still close. Only one of 5 games where I'd say Dream was better and in the lead for the game. Dream making less mistakes in the second bo3 isnt luck. His positioning and movement in g3 in bo3 no2 was very good and is what pulled Flashes army out of position. No. I am talking about g1 of their rematch. On Iron Fortress. Flash was in a commanding position, way ahead. Then he moved out his vikings despite having spotted the doom drop. That was the lucky moment that turned it around. Otheriwise it would have been 4-0 for Flash. Who never even changed his build. Yeah. It's also completely untrue that Flash doesn't change his builds. Flash's builds literally create the Terran metagame.. No they don't. You're thinking of Innovation. That's actually a pretty impressive troll. 4/5 Swag Bro's You do know who you are talking to right? Also INno defined 2013 Terran macro meta not Flash. Flash hasnt defined any meta in sc2 so far. Inno also defined losing to Roach Bane all-in every single time too.
ladder Terrans I play against still follow this meta
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On May 24 2015 09:11 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 09:08 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 09:06 Elentos wrote:On May 24 2015 09:04 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 09:03 Elentos wrote:On May 24 2015 09:01 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 09:00 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 08:59 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 08:58 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 08:58 Elentos wrote:
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Dream vs Reality this Tuesday. Best Proleague match since Reality vs Fantasy. I have the day off but might not be able to watch on tuesday. RIP hope I can find time. I'm looking forward to it too, I think Reality is a fairly solid Terran player Meh Dreams TvT is so hit and mainly miss I am not that hyped. Hope SKT just 3-0 before that. Still Dream beat Flash in that second Bo3 in GSL which was pretty impressive I think That was luck more than anything, really. Flash won 3 of 5 games, he then gifted one to Dream by moving his entire air army out of position for a drop despite knowing Dream had to have a massive drop still close. Only one of 5 games where I'd say Dream was better and in the lead for the game. Dream making less mistakes in the second bo3 isnt luck. His positioning and movement in g3 in bo3 no2 was very good and is what pulled Flashes army out of position. No. I am talking about g1 of their rematch. On Iron Fortress. Flash was in a commanding position, way ahead. Then he moved out his vikings despite having spotted the doom drop. That was the lucky moment that turned it around. Otheriwise it would have been 4-0 for Flash. Who never even changed his build. Ah ok. Lucky moments are parts of all sports though. I agree Flash overall has better TvT but his other two mu are srsly lacking compared to Dream so I am happy Dream got through in the end (and I am a fan lol) but I would like Flash to get back to his summer 2014 form and become more flexible. Yeah sure, I have no problem with it and I like the kid. But Dream has to fix up his TvT ffs. It's enough for someone like SuperNova, but people like Maru or Flash are far out of his league despite not being that far superior as players overall. FFS, SKT Sorry has better TvT than Dream and Sorry's not gonna reach a Starleague final any time soon.
Yeah it's crazy how someone so good can have such a bad mu lol. I mean everyone has a weak mu but Dreams is extreme compared to his other two.
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On May 24 2015 09:12 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 09:10 Ramiz1989 wrote:On May 24 2015 09:09 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 09:08 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 09:07 stuchiu wrote:On May 24 2015 09:06 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 09:06 Elentos wrote:On May 24 2015 09:04 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 09:03 Elentos wrote:On May 24 2015 09:01 Alucen-Will- wrote:
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Still Dream beat Flash in that second Bo3 in GSL which was pretty impressive I think
That was luck more than anything, really. Flash won 3 of 5 games, he then gifted one to Dream by moving his entire air army out of position for a drop despite knowing Dream had to have a massive drop still close. Only one of 5 games where I'd say Dream was better and in the lead for the game. Dream making less mistakes in the second bo3 isnt luck. His positioning and movement in g3 in bo3 no2 was very good and is what pulled Flashes army out of position. No. I am talking about g1 of their rematch. On Iron Fortress. Flash was in a commanding position, way ahead. Then he moved out his vikings despite having spotted the doom drop. That was the lucky moment that turned it around. Otheriwise it would have been 4-0 for Flash. Who never even changed his build. Yeah. It's also completely untrue that Flash doesn't change his builds. Flash's builds literally create the Terran metagame.. No they don't. You're thinking of Innovation. That's actually a pretty impressive troll. 4/5 Swag Bro's You do know who you are talking to right? Also INno defined 2013 Terran macro meta not Flash. Flash hasnt defined any meta in sc2 so far. Inno also defined losing to Roach Bane all-in every single time too. ladder Terrans I play against still follow this meta
Old habits die hard.
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On May 24 2015 09:12 Alucen-Will- wrote:This GM Terran player makes some fantastic content if you want to understand terran high level strategy/meta game. I would check him out. https://www.youtube.com/user/CoreEJK/videos
is the one who told you how Flash innovated Terran
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On May 24 2015 09:11 Alucen-Will- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 09:10 stuchiu wrote:
There are no build I'd credit to Flash in SC2. Aren't you the one who thinks that MKP and Flash play a similar style of TvZ? I like you a lot Stuchio but for all the years of sc2 experience I expect a lot more game knowledge.
2 rax or greed. Never changing up. Dying to allins. Great Macro.
Sounds similar to me
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On May 24 2015 09:12 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 09:11 Elentos wrote:On May 24 2015 09:08 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 09:06 Elentos wrote:On May 24 2015 09:04 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 09:03 Elentos wrote:On May 24 2015 09:01 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 09:00 GumBa wrote:On May 24 2015 08:59 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 24 2015 08:58 GumBa wrote:
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I have the day off but might not be able to watch on tuesday. RIP hope I can find time. I'm looking forward to it too, I think Reality is a fairly solid Terran player Meh Dreams TvT is so hit and mainly miss I am not that hyped. Hope SKT just 3-0 before that. Still Dream beat Flash in that second Bo3 in GSL which was pretty impressive I think That was luck more than anything, really. Flash won 3 of 5 games, he then gifted one to Dream by moving his entire air army out of position for a drop despite knowing Dream had to have a massive drop still close. Only one of 5 games where I'd say Dream was better and in the lead for the game. Dream making less mistakes in the second bo3 isnt luck. His positioning and movement in g3 in bo3 no2 was very good and is what pulled Flashes army out of position. No. I am talking about g1 of their rematch. On Iron Fortress. Flash was in a commanding position, way ahead. Then he moved out his vikings despite having spotted the doom drop. That was the lucky moment that turned it around. Otheriwise it would have been 4-0 for Flash. Who never even changed his build. Ah ok. Lucky moments are parts of all sports though. I agree Flash overall has better TvT but his other two mu are srsly lacking compared to Dream so I am happy Dream got through in the end (and I am a fan lol) but I would like Flash to get back to his summer 2014 form and become more flexible. Yeah sure, I have no problem with it and I like the kid. But Dream has to fix up his TvT ffs. It's enough for someone like SuperNova, but people like Maru or Flash are far out of his league despite not being that far superior as players overall. FFS, SKT Sorry has better TvT than Dream and Sorry's not gonna reach a Starleague final any time soon. Yeah it's crazy how someone so good can have such a bad mu lol. I mean everyone has a weak mu but Dreams is extreme compared to his other two.
To InnoVation's credit, I think he is actually one of the more innovative players. Unlike the popular caster reputation of calling him a robot, I think a deeper inspection on his play reveals a lot of intelligent build order choices and thought.
InnoVation's weakest point is his reliance (in big matches) on the very standard builds and a certain lack of decision making/ ability to handle pressure in big moments.
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Guys, get real. FlaSh totally changed the metagame of Terran ceremonies in 2014.
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On May 24 2015 09:13 Alchemik wrote:is the one who told you how Flash innovated Terran
He's a smart guy, I think
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