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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 21 2015 11:52 GMT
#901
On April 21 2015 20:52 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 20:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:50 HolydaKing wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:49 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I think this is a big mistake not pulling out Flash here

Yeah, Stats is pretty bad. With only 6-1 in the regular season and an all-kill yesterday, I think they shouldn't have fielded him today. Why no Action??

FlaSh is at 87% TvT vs Koreans in 2015. Stats is at 69% PvT.


To be fair there's another korean coming after this game. I think Stats has way a better chance vs a Rogue or Cure.

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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-21 11:52:44
April 21 2015 11:52 GMT
#902
On April 21 2015 20:51 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 20:50 HolydaKing wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:49 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I think this is a big mistake not pulling out Flash here

Yeah, Stats is pretty bad. With only 6-1 in the regular season and an all-kill yesterday, I think they shouldn't have fielded him today. Why no Action??

FlaSh is at 87% TvT vs Koreans in 2015. Stats is at 69% PvT.

Good thing after this there's another match. Plus what matters is the performance in Proleague, and here Flash is by far worse.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
April 21 2015 11:52 GMT
#903
On April 21 2015 20:51 Keeemy wrote:
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On April 21 2015 20:49 TheDwf wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:47 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:46 TheDwf wrote:
Hilarious comments, really. For once we have a real mech TvZ game instead of the SH vs Raven crap, and this ensues. No comment

It was great to watch, but terran might be favored playing it, no?

This argument self-destroys since the same Zergs already claimed that Ravens were OP.

Lol you think ravens were fine before?


Ravens weren't really nerf for TvZ. 3min long pdd was almost only used vs SH.
Zest fanboy.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
April 21 2015 11:52 GMT
#904
On April 21 2015 20:51 GumBa wrote:
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On April 21 2015 20:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:49 TheDwf wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:47 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:46 TheDwf wrote:
Hilarious comments, really. For once we have a real mech TvZ game instead of the SH vs Raven crap, and this ensues. No comment

It was great to watch, but terran might be favored playing it, no?

This argument self-destroys since the same Zergs already claimed that Ravens were OP.

What? No it does not.
Zerg has no endgame vs mech, it's really that simple

A theoritical bl infestor viper ultra ling army maybe. It's the fact zerg wont ever get that army.

Nope. The theoretical ghost/raven/BC/Viking easily beats this
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 21 2015 11:52 GMT
#905
On April 21 2015 20:51 royalroadweed wrote:
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On April 21 2015 20:48 sharkie wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:47 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:46 TheDwf wrote:
Hilarious comments, really. For once we have a real mech TvZ game instead of the SH vs Raven crap, and this ensues. No comment

It was great to watch, but terran might be favored playing it, no?


Was the same in BW... :/

Wasn't that with bio play?

Bio into mech switch was possible. Or straight up bio ala sk terran. Or Biomech.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Vedeynevin
Profile Joined February 2015
United States431 Posts
April 21 2015 11:53 GMT
#906
On April 21 2015 20:50 deacon.frost wrote:
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On April 21 2015 20:48 Zealously wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:46 TheDwf wrote:
Hilarious comments, really. For once we have a real mech TvZ game instead of the SH vs Raven crap, and this ensues. No comment


I take it you think Zerg players will be fine playing late-game? What should Life have done to win in this situation?

On the other hand Life had problems against mech compositions earlier - I remember some foreigner ForGG crashing Life with units from factories


Yeah....but then Life figured out how to beat that style and has been winning vs mech ever since. Now he had to play vs Mech with not enough time to find a new solution (if there is one) to the problem. If you don't stomp mech out early, zerg has no answer.
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2956 Posts
April 21 2015 11:53 GMT
#907
On April 21 2015 20:50 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 20:48 Zealously wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:46 TheDwf wrote:
Hilarious comments, really. For once we have a real mech TvZ game instead of the SH vs Raven crap, and this ensues. No comment


I take it you think Zerg players will be fine playing late-game? What should Life have done to win in this situation?

On the other hand Life had problems against mech compositions earlier - I remember some foreigner ForGG crashing Life with units from factories



Think about the reason why his ZvMech was rather bad.
He didn't really abuse the Swarm Hosts. Imo the main reason for his struggles in the MU. Now even this option's gone.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
April 21 2015 11:53 GMT
#908
On April 21 2015 20:49 Penev wrote:
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On April 21 2015 20:46 TheDwf wrote:
Hilarious comments, really. For once we have a real mech TvZ game instead of the SH vs Raven crap, and this ensues. No comment

You gotta admit Terran is a bit favoured if it reaches late game though.

Thats TvP since wol (although I do favor split upgrades. I've never liked it. Skyterran isn't mech).
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
April 21 2015 11:53 GMT
#909
On April 21 2015 20:52 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 20:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:50 HolydaKing wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:49 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I think this is a big mistake not pulling out Flash here

Yeah, Stats is pretty bad. With only 6-1 in the regular season and an all-kill yesterday, I think they shouldn't have fielded him today. Why no Action??

FlaSh is at 87% TvT vs Koreans in 2015. Stats is at 69% PvT.


To be fair there's another korean coming after this game. I think Stats has way a better chance vs a Rogue or Cure.

Cure would still be a TvT and Cure lost to Flash in the KeSPA Cup qualifiers. They'd send out Rogue vs Flash I reckon.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
April 21 2015 11:53 GMT
#910
On April 21 2015 20:52 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 20:51 royalroadweed wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:48 sharkie wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:47 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:46 TheDwf wrote:
Hilarious comments, really. For once we have a real mech TvZ game instead of the SH vs Raven crap, and this ensues. No comment

It was great to watch, but terran might be favored playing it, no?


Was the same in BW... :/

Wasn't that with bio play?

Bio into mech switch was possible. Or straight up bio ala sk terran. Or Biomech.

I don't follow BW that much, but I don't think anyone even tries to play SK terran nowadays. Mech switch or die trying.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
April 21 2015 11:54 GMT
#911
Ok boys I'm gonna stop spilling my salt everywhere now.

Gotta cheer for STATSUUUUUU
Hello
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12133 Posts
April 21 2015 11:54 GMT
#912
On April 21 2015 20:51 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 20:50 deacon.frost wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:48 Zealously wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:46 TheDwf wrote:
Hilarious comments, really. For once we have a real mech TvZ game instead of the SH vs Raven crap, and this ensues. No comment


I take it you think Zerg players will be fine playing late-game? What should Life have done to win in this situation?

On the other hand Life had problems against mech compositions earlier - I remember some foreigner ForGG crashing Life with units from factories


And I remember Life stomping him into the ground in another Best of 5 a few weeks later. I know Life historically has struggled more against mech than against bio, but I would still like to know how to approach late-game as Zerg in general.

Well I agree it is a problem, but still - what a big accomplishment - SH are out of the game. It brings us to unmapped territory and we have to hope it will be fixed(either by finding some unit composition from top Zergs or by balance patch). But still - I trade that for removing SH

Go MARU!!!
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
April 21 2015 11:54 GMT
#913
On April 21 2015 20:53 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 20:52 DJHelium wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:50 HolydaKing wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:49 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I think this is a big mistake not pulling out Flash here

Yeah, Stats is pretty bad. With only 6-1 in the regular season and an all-kill yesterday, I think they shouldn't have fielded him today. Why no Action??

FlaSh is at 87% TvT vs Koreans in 2015. Stats is at 69% PvT.


To be fair there's another korean coming after this game. I think Stats has way a better chance vs a Rogue or Cure.

Cure would still be a TvT and Cure lost to Flash in the KeSPA Cup qualifiers. They'd send out Rogue vs Flash I reckon.


Ah yeah. I mean Stats could have to play Cure, and still better chance than Flash vs Rogue.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19384 Posts
April 21 2015 11:54 GMT
#914
Life could have won with dimaga's overlord drop baneling strategy. He should watch more foreigners.
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 21 2015 11:54 GMT
#915
On April 21 2015 20:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 20:49 TheDwf wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:47 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:46 TheDwf wrote:
Hilarious comments, really. For once we have a real mech TvZ game instead of the SH vs Raven crap, and this ensues. No comment

It was great to watch, but terran might be favored playing it, no?

This argument self-destroys since the same Zergs already claimed that Ravens were OP.

What? No it does not.
Zerg has no endgame vs mech, it's really that simple

Zergs before the patch: mech lategame is unbeatable
Zergs after the patch: mech lategame is unbeatable
So what difference from their point of view?? Except the same Zerg viewer gets to see a back-and-forth, action-packed game instead of endless camping? That's what I don't get from the comments here.
Vanadiel
Profile Joined April 2012
France961 Posts
April 21 2015 11:54 GMT
#916
On April 21 2015 20:46 TheDwf wrote:
Hilarious comments, really. For once we have a real mech TvZ game instead of the SH vs Raven crap, and this ensues. No comment


Hilarious comment? Maru completely messed up his early game attack, Life made amazing engagement on a very zerg favored map, yet he was never close to win.

It was an entertaining game, but looked depressing from a Zerg point of view, it looked there is absolutely no solution against mech.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 21 2015 11:54 GMT
#917
On April 21 2015 20:53 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 20:52 GumBa wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:51 royalroadweed wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:48 sharkie wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:47 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:46 TheDwf wrote:
Hilarious comments, really. For once we have a real mech TvZ game instead of the SH vs Raven crap, and this ensues. No comment

It was great to watch, but terran might be favored playing it, no?


Was the same in BW... :/

Wasn't that with bio play?

Bio into mech switch was possible. Or straight up bio ala sk terran. Or Biomech.

I don't follow BW that much, but I don't think anyone even tries to play SK terran nowadays. Mech switch or die trying.

Yeah it's better imo but it is possible and was big in the meta for a time.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
April 21 2015 11:54 GMT
#918
This is like the first time in forever that flash has been benched when available; save for other reasons such as being away for tournaments. Truly, the end of an era.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
April 21 2015 11:54 GMT
#919
On April 21 2015 20:53 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 20:50 deacon.frost wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:48 Zealously wrote:
On April 21 2015 20:46 TheDwf wrote:
Hilarious comments, really. For once we have a real mech TvZ game instead of the SH vs Raven crap, and this ensues. No comment


I take it you think Zerg players will be fine playing late-game? What should Life have done to win in this situation?

On the other hand Life had problems against mech compositions earlier - I remember some foreigner ForGG crashing Life with units from factories



Think about the reason why his ZvMech was rather bad.
He didn't really abuse the Swarm Hosts. Imo the main reason for his struggles in the MU. Now even this option's gone.

He played 10+ swarm hosts every game. And his problem has usually been that he went too aggressive. In this game, it was Maru who was pushing into Ultralisks and zerglings with premaxed armies all game long and doing the coinflippy opening timing with the hellions that was shut down hard.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 21 2015 11:54 GMT
#920
people are right...as zerg we do complain a lot more than other races.

had like 4 games with no zerg players and no one getting mad. then as soon as a zerg lost we go full aids.
I'm going to break the trend and stop bitching about things in general

This should be an awesome PvT
Zerg for Life
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