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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
January 15 2015 11:25 GMT
#281
stop bickering you children
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 15 2015 11:25 GMT
#282
Should have cancelled that pylon Super. Would of made maximum profit from it.
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 15 2015 11:25 GMT
#283
On January 15 2015 20:23 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 20:21 SoulmaN__ wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:18 opisska wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:17 SoulmaN__ wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:16 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:14 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:11 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:08 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:
[quote]

Ah, just good execution by Terminator/lack of scouting I guess. Gotta be frustrating though


every gold leaguer can cast a timewarp on a bunker.
good execution? what are you talking about:D


Yeah yeah yeah keep telling yourself that


wow so salty

+ Show Spoiler +
haha i can do that crap to
learn to discuss


I'm pretty tired of people constantly complaining about protoss. Terrible games like this happen. Terrans beat protoss with lame BO wins all the time too. Stop crying about it.


i only complained about your comment
dont talk about good execution when all he does is just clicking once for that timewarp.
excessive blink or drop micro can be good execution or something like that, but where is the skill in placing timewarps?


Where is the skill in SCV pulls?


Consideiring how every second SCV pull gets totally botched, it would seem that some skill is indeed required ...


I know that, but he obviously doesn't.

The skill with SCV pulls, or all ins in general is not letting the opponent know what you are doing. Terminator here hid his all in until he was at fantasys very doorstep. Can you do that, too? No. Can I SCV pull without letting the opponent know? Probably not.

So don't talk like that, Terran is highly favored in the matchup anyway.


aligulac says pvt is at ~48% winrate, is that highly favoured for you?

I would say that on the season 3 map pool it is.
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-15 11:26:39
January 15 2015 11:26 GMT
#284
On January 15 2015 20:22 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 20:20 Big J wrote:
that was a pretty onesided game, holy crap Leenock, get your shit together.


Just 1 mistake honestly.


The early defense was crap too. Lost way too much for not killing anything.
Then that time he went out before roach speed and lost all his roaches and speedlings.
The huge swarm host blunder.
Personally I'd also add the choice to go swarm host here.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
January 15 2015 11:26 GMT
#285
On January 15 2015 20:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 20:23 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:21 SoulmaN__ wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:18 opisska wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:17 SoulmaN__ wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:16 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:14 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:11 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:08 graNite wrote:
[quote]

every gold leaguer can cast a timewarp on a bunker.
good execution? what are you talking about:D


Yeah yeah yeah keep telling yourself that


wow so salty

+ Show Spoiler +
haha i can do that crap to
learn to discuss


I'm pretty tired of people constantly complaining about protoss. Terrible games like this happen. Terrans beat protoss with lame BO wins all the time too. Stop crying about it.


i only complained about your comment
dont talk about good execution when all he does is just clicking once for that timewarp.
excessive blink or drop micro can be good execution or something like that, but where is the skill in placing timewarps?


Where is the skill in SCV pulls?


Consideiring how every second SCV pull gets totally botched, it would seem that some skill is indeed required ...


I know that, but he obviously doesn't.

The skill with SCV pulls, or all ins in general is not letting the opponent know what you are doing. Terminator here hid his all in until he was at fantasys very doorstep. Can you do that, too? No. Can I SCV pull without letting the opponent know? Probably not.

So don't talk like that, Terran is highly favored in the matchup anyway.


aligulac says pvt is at ~48% winrate, is that highly favoured for you?

That's the best it's been in like a year

lol
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
January 15 2015 11:26 GMT
#286
Super has really impressed me recently, he just seems very solid overall
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graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
January 15 2015 11:26 GMT
#287
On January 15 2015 20:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 20:23 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:21 SoulmaN__ wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:18 opisska wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:17 SoulmaN__ wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:16 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:14 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:11 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:08 graNite wrote:
[quote]

every gold leaguer can cast a timewarp on a bunker.
good execution? what are you talking about:D


Yeah yeah yeah keep telling yourself that


wow so salty

+ Show Spoiler +
haha i can do that crap to
learn to discuss


I'm pretty tired of people constantly complaining about protoss. Terrible games like this happen. Terrans beat protoss with lame BO wins all the time too. Stop crying about it.


i only complained about your comment
dont talk about good execution when all he does is just clicking once for that timewarp.
excessive blink or drop micro can be good execution or something like that, but where is the skill in placing timewarps?


Where is the skill in SCV pulls?


Consideiring how every second SCV pull gets totally botched, it would seem that some skill is indeed required ...


I know that, but he obviously doesn't.

The skill with SCV pulls, or all ins in general is not letting the opponent know what you are doing. Terminator here hid his all in until he was at fantasys very doorstep. Can you do that, too? No. Can I SCV pull without letting the opponent know? Probably not.

So don't talk like that, Terran is highly favored in the matchup anyway.


aligulac says pvt is at ~48% winrate, is that highly favoured for you?


That's the best it's been in like a year


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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 15 2015 11:27 GMT
#288
On January 15 2015 20:23 The_Templar wrote:
Starcraft II Starleague RO16: Group A

(Z)Leenock vs (P)Super
0-1


Map: King Sejong Station


Leenock spawns in the top left
Super spawns in the bottom right

2:00
Forge first for Super.
Leenock opening hatchery first.
Leenock's overlord sees a scouting probe.
Pylon at Leenock's natural.
Leenock pulls 6 drones, then two more.

3:00
Super expanding.
The probe runs into Leenock's main and the drones back off of the pylon.
Queens + zerglings being made.
Gateway + two assimilators for Super.
Super's pylon is killed by zerglings.

4:00
Super building a cannon at home.
Super starts his cybernetics core.
Leenock builds his third base.

5:00
Zerglings start scouting for proxies.
+1 attack starts for Super.
Leenock building drones and has no gas.
Super chronoboosting warp gate.
Zerglings are being very exhaustive when looking for proxies.
Super adding two gateways.
Mothership core for Super.
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TL+ Member
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
January 15 2015 11:28 GMT
#289
Hey Templar: 1 sheep, 2 sheep, 3 sheep. 4 sh..
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
January 15 2015 11:28 GMT
#290
On January 15 2015 20:26 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 20:22 Caihead wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:20 Big J wrote:
that was a pretty onesided game, holy crap Leenock, get your shit together.


Just 1 mistake honestly.


The early defense was crap too. Lost way too much for not killing anything.
Then that time he went out before roach speed and lost all his roaches and speedlings.
The huge swarm host blunder.
Personally I'd also add the choice to go swarm host here.



He lost 1 queen and a few lings in the early defense what are you on about.

Yes he lost rocahes midgame but Super also fucked up and had to turn around to defend. Not like Super played flawless.

And swarm hosts was a good plan to use for baseracing with mutas. He would have delayed the race for protoss for so long with hosts and 1(?) colossus. He could have won that game if he didnt fuck up his hosts
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
January 15 2015 11:30 GMT
#291
On January 15 2015 20:26 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 20:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:23 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:21 SoulmaN__ wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:18 opisska wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:17 SoulmaN__ wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:16 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:14 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:11 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:
[quote]

Yeah yeah yeah keep telling yourself that


wow so salty

+ Show Spoiler +
haha i can do that crap to
learn to discuss


I'm pretty tired of people constantly complaining about protoss. Terrible games like this happen. Terrans beat protoss with lame BO wins all the time too. Stop crying about it.


i only complained about your comment
dont talk about good execution when all he does is just clicking once for that timewarp.
excessive blink or drop micro can be good execution or something like that, but where is the skill in placing timewarps?


Where is the skill in SCV pulls?


Consideiring how every second SCV pull gets totally botched, it would seem that some skill is indeed required ...


I know that, but he obviously doesn't.

The skill with SCV pulls, or all ins in general is not letting the opponent know what you are doing. Terminator here hid his all in until he was at fantasys very doorstep. Can you do that, too? No. Can I SCV pull without letting the opponent know? Probably not.

So don't talk like that, Terran is highly favored in the matchup anyway.


aligulac says pvt is at ~48% winrate, is that highly favoured for you?


That's the best it's been in like a year


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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
January 15 2015 11:30 GMT
#292
I don't understand today's immortal allins.
Super could be over the map with 3immortals over 1min ago with a better BO.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 15 2015 11:31 GMT
#293
On January 15 2015 20:27 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 20:23 The_Templar wrote:
Starcraft II Starleague RO16: Group A

(Z)Leenock vs (P)Super
0-1


Map: King Sejong Station


Leenock spawns in the top left
Super spawns in the bottom right

2:00
Forge first for Super.
Leenock opening hatchery first.
Leenock's overlord sees a scouting probe.
Pylon at Leenock's natural.
Leenock pulls 6 drones, then two more.

3:00
Super expanding.
The probe runs into Leenock's main and the drones back off of the pylon.
Queens + zerglings being made.
Gateway + two assimilators for Super.
Super's pylon is killed by zerglings.

4:00
Super building a cannon at home.
Super starts his cybernetics core.
Leenock builds his third base.

5:00
Zerglings start scouting for proxies.
+1 attack starts for Super.
Leenock building drones and has no gas.
Super chronoboosting warp gate.
Zerglings are being very exhaustive when looking for proxies.
Super adding two gateways.
Mothership core for Super.

6:00
Stalker + MSC + probe moving out for Super.
Leenock getting a roach warren.
A zergling sees no third base.
Super building a robotics facility.
+1 armor for Super.

7:00 (Z)Leenock 74 vs (P)Super 58
Leenock getting a lot of roaches and zerglings as Super attacks his third.
Zergling speed isn't finished and stalkers kite the army of Leenock.
Three more gateways for Super.
Lots of roaches and zerglings falling.
Zergling speed finishes and a recall is forced.
Immortal is built, observer being chronoboosted.
Lair for Leenock.

9:00 (Z)Leenock 87 vs (P)Super 69
Super going up to 8 gateways.
Hydralisk den on the way for Leenock.
Leenock building four spine crawlers.
Roach speed on the way for Leenock.
Super loses two stalkers to speedlings.

10:00 (Z)Leenock 105 vs (P)Super 81
Leenock building a lot of zerglings.
Hydralisks being made by Leenocl.
Super pushing towards the third base.
Leenock has only some roach/ling as hydralisks finish.
Super runs in and FFs off the army of Leenock.
Huge zergling flank does little.
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TL+ Member
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
January 15 2015 11:31 GMT
#294
On January 15 2015 20:30 Big J wrote:
I don't understand today's immortal allins.
Super could be over the map with 3immortals over 1min ago with a better BO.


Modern variants rely a loooot on interrupting the zerg flow
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
January 15 2015 11:31 GMT
#295
Super is dead. Only GOD MC can pull this immortal all in off.
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
January 15 2015 11:32 GMT
#296
rofl super :D
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
SoulmaN__
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany80 Posts
January 15 2015 11:32 GMT
#297
On January 15 2015 20:23 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 20:21 SoulmaN__ wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:18 opisska wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:17 SoulmaN__ wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:16 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:14 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:11 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:08 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:
[quote]

Ah, just good execution by Terminator/lack of scouting I guess. Gotta be frustrating though


every gold leaguer can cast a timewarp on a bunker.
good execution? what are you talking about:D


Yeah yeah yeah keep telling yourself that


wow so salty

+ Show Spoiler +
haha i can do that crap to
learn to discuss


I'm pretty tired of people constantly complaining about protoss. Terrible games like this happen. Terrans beat protoss with lame BO wins all the time too. Stop crying about it.


i only complained about your comment
dont talk about good execution when all he does is just clicking once for that timewarp.
excessive blink or drop micro can be good execution or something like that, but where is the skill in placing timewarps?


Where is the skill in SCV pulls?


Consideiring how every second SCV pull gets totally botched, it would seem that some skill is indeed required ...


I know that, but he obviously doesn't.

The skill with SCV pulls, or all ins in general is not letting the opponent know what you are doing. Terminator here hid his all in until he was at fantasys very doorstep. Can you do that, too? No. Can I SCV pull without letting the opponent know? Probably not.

So don't talk like that, Terran is highly favored in the matchup anyway.


aligulac says pvt is at ~48% winrate, is that highly favoured for you?


Aligulac has like 1600+ games. Did you see 1600 games played by pros in december? Me neither.

When will people finally understand that aligulac is a really really bad source for statistics because it includes diamond players?! Hell, I played in WCS qualifier #5, and I bet I would find my game in the stats for january's TvZ stats (which honestly is a joke).

The real TvP winrate is at 57% in PRO games in TOURNAMENTS since august, which is as broken as TvZ in HotS initially.

Things are evening out right now, which doesn't change that the matchup is horrible to watch because it's collossus first vs. SCV pull half the time, and some Protoss cheese the other half. The proposed widow mine change will do TvP soooooo good.
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
January 15 2015 11:33 GMT
#298
da fuq super why didn't you just go to the main
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Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
January 15 2015 11:33 GMT
#299
This guy lol. I like it though. Most bros just drop and flee, he went back in what, 4x?

Determination.
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
January 15 2015 11:34 GMT
#300
On January 15 2015 20:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 20:30 Big J wrote:
I don't understand today's immortal allins.
Super could be over the map with 3immortals over 1min ago with a better BO.


Modern variants rely a loooot on interrupting the zerg flow

yeah, but do they ever achieve that or work at all?
Like this game, Leenock was at 60drones. Scouted late, caught with his pants down, panik spines and still got out ahead.
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