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graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
January 15 2015 11:11 GMT
#241
On January 15 2015 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 20:08 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:05 TheDwf wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Was there a bunker? There can't be complaints if there wasnt one.

He had a Bunker, Terminator cast Time Warp behind so the SCVs could not reach it in time


Ah, just good execution by Terminator/lack of scouting I guess. Gotta be frustrating though


every gold leaguer can cast a timewarp on a bunker.
good execution? what are you talking about:D


Yeah yeah yeah keep telling yourself that


wow so salty

+ Show Spoiler +
haha i can do that crap to
learn to discuss
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
January 15 2015 11:11 GMT
#242
On January 15 2015 20:10 Heartland wrote:
why would anyone change their id from vampire to super?


Both terrible IDs
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
January 15 2015 11:11 GMT
#243
On January 15 2015 20:06 SoulmaN__ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 20:03 TheDwf wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:01 SoulmaN__ wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:00 TheDwf wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:00 lichter wrote:
that's why you don't cc first every game

Protoss can do the same against Reaper lol


Yeah, but then Terran wins. Or scouts it. Or both.

The Reaper scouts Stargate and 3g = nothing unusual. I've already seen Oracle into 3g stalk attacks win against Reaper openings too


With the reaper any competent terran will scout around the map, and eventually find SOMETHING, be that the pylon that powered the 2 gates, or the proxy pylons for warp ins.

With CC first Fantasy didn't scout at all, kept his marines in the mineral lines and got punished.

How are people even arguing about this? I agree it most likely didn't have anything to do with Terminator's perfect reading of Fantasy, however this was really just Fantasy fucking up.


scout is not easy with the stalkers. The big point would have been to scout if gaz 3 and 4 were taken but on this map a mere stalker denies any scout... Maybe he should have burn a scan on the natural, like in did on game 2...
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
January 15 2015 11:11 GMT
#244
You either learn to scout and defend all-ins, or you lose and that's a good thing. I really don't see how people can be "mad at Protoss", this is what keeps players honest and Fantasy screwed multiple things in the game, so the loss was fully deserved.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
January 15 2015 11:11 GMT
#245
On January 15 2015 20:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 20:10 Heartland wrote:
why would anyone change their id from vampire to super?


Both terrible IDs


MVP Swagger.

Never forget.

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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
January 15 2015 11:11 GMT
#246
On January 15 2015 20:10 Heartland wrote:
why would anyone change their id from vampire to super?

His vampirism got cured? But yeah; Vampire > Super
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
January 15 2015 11:12 GMT
#247
On January 15 2015 20:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 20:10 Heartland wrote:
why would anyone change their id from vampire to super?


Both terrible IDs


darklordolli was taken so I guess he had to make do with sub-par usernames
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
January 15 2015 11:13 GMT
#248
Shots fired at GSL :D
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
January 15 2015 11:14 GMT
#249
On January 15 2015 20:11 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:08 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:05 TheDwf wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Was there a bunker? There can't be complaints if there wasnt one.

He had a Bunker, Terminator cast Time Warp behind so the SCVs could not reach it in time


Ah, just good execution by Terminator/lack of scouting I guess. Gotta be frustrating though


every gold leaguer can cast a timewarp on a bunker.
good execution? what are you talking about:D


Yeah yeah yeah keep telling yourself that


wow so salty

+ Show Spoiler +
haha i can do that crap to
learn to discuss


I'm pretty tired of people constantly complaining about protoss. Terrible games like this happen. Terrans beat protoss with lame BO wins all the time too. Stop crying about it.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
January 15 2015 11:14 GMT
#250
On January 15 2015 20:11 Gwavajuice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 20:06 SoulmaN__ wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:03 TheDwf wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:01 SoulmaN__ wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:00 TheDwf wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:00 lichter wrote:
that's why you don't cc first every game

Protoss can do the same against Reaper lol


Yeah, but then Terran wins. Or scouts it. Or both.

The Reaper scouts Stargate and 3g = nothing unusual. I've already seen Oracle into 3g stalk attacks win against Reaper openings too


With the reaper any competent terran will scout around the map, and eventually find SOMETHING, be that the pylon that powered the 2 gates, or the proxy pylons for warp ins.

With CC first Fantasy didn't scout at all, kept his marines in the mineral lines and got punished.

How are people even arguing about this? I agree it most likely didn't have anything to do with Terminator's perfect reading of Fantasy, however this was really just Fantasy fucking up.


scout is not easy with the stalkers. The big point would have been to scout if gaz 3 and 4 were taken but on this map a mere stalker denies any scout... Maybe he should have burn a scan on the natural, like in did on game 2...



It's worth pointing out that you can get a reaper to attempt to scout their main when going cc first but the loss of 2 marines production can make handling a fast oracle a bit tricky, you can easily not have 6 marines in each mineral line when it shows up and that's a problem.

like I said thuogh, it's really as simple as just having a bit more vision out the front of the base which Fantasy could have done if he tried. He just didn't because once you see an Oracle the mind tends not to expect stalker follow ups.
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RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
January 15 2015 11:14 GMT
#251
On January 15 2015 20:12 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 20:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:10 Heartland wrote:
why would anyone change their id from vampire to super?


Both terrible IDs


darklordolli was taken so I guess he had to make do with sub-par usernames

He kept the theme with vampire.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
January 15 2015 11:14 GMT
#252
On January 15 2015 20:10 The_Templar wrote:
Starcraft II Starleague RO16: Group A

(Z)Leenock vs (P)Super
0-0


Map: Catallena


Leenock spawns in the left
Super spawns in the bottom right

2:00
Hatchery first versus nexus first.
Leenock scouts the right way with his overlord and goes for a third hatchery before a spawning pool.
Gate + double gas for Super.

3:00
Super building a cybernetics core.
Spawning pool followed by a gas for Leenock. The gas is at the third base.

4:00
Leenock getting two queens.
Mothership core for Super.
Super building a stalker and chronoboosting warp gate research.

5:00
Leenock's overlord just barely doesn't see the chronoboost.
Zergling speed for Leenock.
Two zerglings run towards the natural of Super where two gateways are building.
Leenock getting more drones.
Roach warren on the way for Leenock.
Super getting a forge and still building probes.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
Nezgar
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany535 Posts
January 15 2015 11:14 GMT
#253
On January 15 2015 20:13 RaFox17 wrote:
Shots fired at GSL :D


And rightfully so!
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-15 11:16:59
January 15 2015 11:16 GMT
#254
On January 15 2015 20:14 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 20:11 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:08 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:05 TheDwf wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Was there a bunker? There can't be complaints if there wasnt one.

He had a Bunker, Terminator cast Time Warp behind so the SCVs could not reach it in time


Ah, just good execution by Terminator/lack of scouting I guess. Gotta be frustrating though


every gold leaguer can cast a timewarp on a bunker.
good execution? what are you talking about:D


Yeah yeah yeah keep telling yourself that


wow so salty

+ Show Spoiler +
haha i can do that crap to
learn to discuss


I'm pretty tired of people constantly complaining about protoss. Terrible games like this happen. Terrans beat protoss with lame BO wins all the time too. Stop crying about it.


i only complained about your comment
dont talk about good execution when all he does is just clicking once for that timewarp.
excessive blink or drop micro can be good execution or something like that, but where is the skill in placing timewarps?
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
sashkata
Profile Joined September 2008
Bulgaria3241 Posts
January 15 2015 11:16 GMT
#255
That recall seemed unnecessary.
SoulmaN__
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany80 Posts
January 15 2015 11:17 GMT
#256
On January 15 2015 20:16 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 20:14 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:11 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:08 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:05 TheDwf wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Was there a bunker? There can't be complaints if there wasnt one.

He had a Bunker, Terminator cast Time Warp behind so the SCVs could not reach it in time


Ah, just good execution by Terminator/lack of scouting I guess. Gotta be frustrating though


every gold leaguer can cast a timewarp on a bunker.
good execution? what are you talking about:D


Yeah yeah yeah keep telling yourself that


wow so salty

+ Show Spoiler +
haha i can do that crap to
learn to discuss


I'm pretty tired of people constantly complaining about protoss. Terrible games like this happen. Terrans beat protoss with lame BO wins all the time too. Stop crying about it.


i only complained about your comment
dont talk about good execution when all he does is just clicking once for that timewarp.
excessive blink or drop micro can be good execution or something like that, but where is the skill in placing timewarps?


Where is the skill in SCV pulls?
"I love my family." - soO after his 4th consecutive loss in a GSL final :-(
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
January 15 2015 11:17 GMT
#257
On January 15 2015 20:14 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 20:10 The_Templar wrote:
Starcraft II Starleague RO16: Group A

(Z)Leenock vs (P)Super
0-0


Map: Catallena


Leenock spawns in the left
Super spawns in the bottom right

2:00
Hatchery first versus nexus first.
Leenock scouts the right way with his overlord and goes for a third hatchery before a spawning pool.
Gate + double gas for Super.

3:00
Super building a cybernetics core.
Spawning pool followed by a gas for Leenock. The gas is at the third base.

4:00
Leenock getting two queens.
Mothership core for Super.
Super building a stalker and chronoboosting warp gate research.

5:00
Leenock's overlord just barely doesn't see the chronoboost.
Zergling speed for Leenock.
Two zerglings run towards the natural of Super where two gateways are building.
Leenock getting more drones.
Roach warren on the way for Leenock.
Super getting a forge and still building probes.

7:00 (Z)Leenock 51 vs (P)Super 56
Four stalkers run into the third and attack queens.
Leenock getting a bunch of speedlings.
Zealots warped in as reinforcement kill the speedlings and Super keeps trying to press the third base.
Super has 50 probes.
Roaches finish for Leenock.
Super recalls.

8:00 (Z)Leenock 69 vs (P)Super 74
Third base for Super.
Roach speed being researched.
Super getting a twilight council and robotics facility.

9:00 (Z)Leenock 85 vs (P)Super 86
Zerglings fail to break into the natural of super.
Super traps a ton of roaches and kills them relatively easily.
Infestation pit for Leenock.
Super has about 11 sentries.
Blink being researched.
Super building immortals.
Enduring locusts for Super.

10:00 (Z)Leenock 86 vs (P)Super 102
Super fails to trap another group of roaches.
Leenock building swarm hosts.
Macro hatchery for Leenock.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
January 15 2015 11:17 GMT
#258
On January 15 2015 20:16 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 20:14 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:11 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:08 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:05 TheDwf wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Was there a bunker? There can't be complaints if there wasnt one.

He had a Bunker, Terminator cast Time Warp behind so the SCVs could not reach it in time


Ah, just good execution by Terminator/lack of scouting I guess. Gotta be frustrating though


every gold leaguer can cast a timewarp on a bunker.
good execution? what are you talking about:D


Yeah yeah yeah keep telling yourself that


wow so salty

+ Show Spoiler +
haha i can do that crap to
learn to discuss


I'm pretty tired of people constantly complaining about protoss. Terrible games like this happen. Terrans beat protoss with lame BO wins all the time too. Stop crying about it.


i only complained about your comment
dont talk about good execution when all he does is just clicking once for that timewarp.
excessive blink or drop micro can be good execution or something like that, but where is the skill in placing timewarps?


Pretty sure he did other things as well
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
January 15 2015 11:18 GMT
#259
On January 15 2015 20:17 SoulmaN__ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 20:16 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:14 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:11 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:08 graNite wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:05 TheDwf wrote:
On January 15 2015 20:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Was there a bunker? There can't be complaints if there wasnt one.

He had a Bunker, Terminator cast Time Warp behind so the SCVs could not reach it in time


Ah, just good execution by Terminator/lack of scouting I guess. Gotta be frustrating though


every gold leaguer can cast a timewarp on a bunker.
good execution? what are you talking about:D


Yeah yeah yeah keep telling yourself that


wow so salty

+ Show Spoiler +
haha i can do that crap to
learn to discuss


I'm pretty tired of people constantly complaining about protoss. Terrible games like this happen. Terrans beat protoss with lame BO wins all the time too. Stop crying about it.


i only complained about your comment
dont talk about good execution when all he does is just clicking once for that timewarp.
excessive blink or drop micro can be good execution or something like that, but where is the skill in placing timewarps?


Where is the skill in SCV pulls?


Consideiring how every second SCV pull gets totally botched, it would seem that some skill is indeed required ...
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
January 15 2015 11:19 GMT
#260
Oh right; Naver fixed the double SSL debacle, thank god.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
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