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On September 28 2014 00:42 cpower wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 00:40 bo1b wrote:On September 28 2014 00:37 stuchiu wrote:On September 28 2014 00:36 bo1b wrote:On September 28 2014 00:36 Lorning wrote:On September 28 2014 00:34 TheDwf wrote:On September 28 2014 00:32 cpower wrote:On September 28 2014 00:31 Ej_ wrote:
Jaedong and Flash have 1 thing in common in SC2 they are bad. Here we go again They haven't won 4 GSLs, an MLG, blizzcon, an IEM, a WCS EU and a WCG So they suck, yeah Comparing anyone to mvp is a little unfair lol Neither of them got to 4 consecutive GSL Finals. Do you think 2011 mvp had a more impressive run with 8 tournament wins including an almost flawless gsl or soo's 4 gsl finals in a row and a likely flawless dreamhack? If soO wins this gsl then soO 's run is more impressive. This is the year 2014 and the game has been figured out a lot more than the year 2011
I never understood that argument that it's more impressive because the game is more figured out, is figuring things out and innovating not impressive at all or something?
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On September 28 2014 00:41 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 00:40 Cheren wrote:
so who is the elephant with 3 kespa players and 1 non-kespa BW champion? I think the truest form of the elephant just got eliminated
Oh yeah, at its core it was an article about how 4 players past their peak in BW would dominate SC2.
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On September 28 2014 00:38 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 00:36 bo1b wrote:On September 28 2014 00:36 Lorning wrote:On September 28 2014 00:34 TheDwf wrote:On September 28 2014 00:32 cpower wrote:On September 28 2014 00:31 Ej_ wrote:
Jaedong and Flash have 1 thing in common in SC2 they are bad. Here we go again They haven't won 4 GSLs, an MLG, blizzcon, an IEM, a WCS EU and a WCG So they suck, yeah Comparing anyone to mvp is a little unfair lol Yeah, no one is going to be as dominant as Mvp was, the top players are all too close to each other in skill. then again that's what people said in BW before Flash dominated.
If soO had won instead of came second he would be the bonjwa that bonjd I think
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On September 28 2014 00:40 Cheren wrote:
so who is the elephant with 3 kespa players and 1 non-kespa BW champion?
Its pretty obvious that former bw players will be good at sc2 let alone good bw players. But i am tired of this kespa vs non kespa war, this is pointless after 2 years. Almost everyone atm in the scene was a bw player in the past so whats the freaking point of this argument
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This has to be soO vs Solar grand finals right :o
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On September 28 2014 00:43 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 00:42 cpower wrote:On September 28 2014 00:40 bo1b wrote:On September 28 2014 00:37 stuchiu wrote:On September 28 2014 00:36 bo1b wrote:On September 28 2014 00:36 Lorning wrote:On September 28 2014 00:34 TheDwf wrote:On September 28 2014 00:32 cpower wrote:On September 28 2014 00:31 Ej_ wrote:
Jaedong and Flash have 1 thing in common in SC2 they are bad. Here we go again They haven't won 4 GSLs, an MLG, blizzcon, an IEM, a WCS EU and a WCG So they suck, yeah Comparing anyone to mvp is a little unfair lol Neither of them got to 4 consecutive GSL Finals. Do you think 2011 mvp had a more impressive run with 8 tournament wins including an almost flawless gsl or soo's 4 gsl finals in a row and a likely flawless dreamhack? If soO wins this gsl then soO 's run is more impressive. This is the year 2014 and the game has been figured out a lot more than the year 2011 I never understood that argument that it's more impressive because the game is more figured out, is figuring things out and innovating not impressive at all or something?
it is impressive, but players were just worse and they didn't really know what's good and what's not as we do now
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Is soO on drugs ? wtf seriously never saw such a fast player .....+ Show Spoiler +
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On September 28 2014 00:43 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 00:42 cpower wrote:On September 28 2014 00:40 bo1b wrote:On September 28 2014 00:37 stuchiu wrote:On September 28 2014 00:36 bo1b wrote:On September 28 2014 00:36 Lorning wrote:On September 28 2014 00:34 TheDwf wrote:On September 28 2014 00:32 cpower wrote:On September 28 2014 00:31 Ej_ wrote:
Jaedong and Flash have 1 thing in common in SC2 they are bad. Here we go again They haven't won 4 GSLs, an MLG, blizzcon, an IEM, a WCS EU and a WCG So they suck, yeah Comparing anyone to mvp is a little unfair lol Neither of them got to 4 consecutive GSL Finals. Do you think 2011 mvp had a more impressive run with 8 tournament wins including an almost flawless gsl or soo's 4 gsl finals in a row and a likely flawless dreamhack? If soO wins this gsl then soO 's run is more impressive. This is the year 2014 and the game has been figured out a lot more than the year 2011 I never understood that argument that it's more impressive because the game is more figured out, is figuring things out and innovating not impressive at all or something?
Yeah, actually you could defend the opposite conclusion that dominating when the game is still mostly terra incognita is more impressive because it shows how ahead of your time you were.
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On September 28 2014 00:45 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 00:43 Die4Ever wrote:On September 28 2014 00:42 cpower wrote:On September 28 2014 00:40 bo1b wrote:On September 28 2014 00:37 stuchiu wrote:On September 28 2014 00:36 bo1b wrote:On September 28 2014 00:36 Lorning wrote:On September 28 2014 00:34 TheDwf wrote:On September 28 2014 00:32 cpower wrote:On September 28 2014 00:31 Ej_ wrote:
Jaedong and Flash have 1 thing in common in SC2 they are bad. Here we go again They haven't won 4 GSLs, an MLG, blizzcon, an IEM, a WCS EU and a WCG So they suck, yeah Comparing anyone to mvp is a little unfair lol Neither of them got to 4 consecutive GSL Finals. Do you think 2011 mvp had a more impressive run with 8 tournament wins including an almost flawless gsl or soo's 4 gsl finals in a row and a likely flawless dreamhack? If soO wins this gsl then soO 's run is more impressive. This is the year 2014 and the game has been figured out a lot more than the year 2011 I never understood that argument that it's more impressive because the game is more figured out, is figuring things out and innovating not impressive at all or something? Yeah, actually you could defend the opposite conclusion that dominating when the game is still mostly terra incognita is more impressive because it shows how ahead of your time you were.
So, stephano > mvp right
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On September 28 2014 00:45 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 00:43 Die4Ever wrote:On September 28 2014 00:42 cpower wrote:On September 28 2014 00:40 bo1b wrote:On September 28 2014 00:37 stuchiu wrote:On September 28 2014 00:36 bo1b wrote:On September 28 2014 00:36 Lorning wrote:On September 28 2014 00:34 TheDwf wrote:On September 28 2014 00:32 cpower wrote:On September 28 2014 00:31 Ej_ wrote:
Jaedong and Flash have 1 thing in common in SC2 they are bad. Here we go again They haven't won 4 GSLs, an MLG, blizzcon, an IEM, a WCS EU and a WCG So they suck, yeah Comparing anyone to mvp is a little unfair lol Neither of them got to 4 consecutive GSL Finals. Do you think 2011 mvp had a more impressive run with 8 tournament wins including an almost flawless gsl or soo's 4 gsl finals in a row and a likely flawless dreamhack? If soO wins this gsl then soO 's run is more impressive. This is the year 2014 and the game has been figured out a lot more than the year 2011 I never understood that argument that it's more impressive because the game is more figured out, is figuring things out and innovating not impressive at all or something? Yeah, actually you could defend the opposite conclusion that dominating when the game is still mostly terra incognita is more impressive because it shows how ahead of your time you were.
I don't think the meta should even be relevant. The greats from previous "eras" should be compared to their peers.
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On September 28 2014 00:45 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 00:43 Die4Ever wrote:On September 28 2014 00:42 cpower wrote:On September 28 2014 00:40 bo1b wrote:On September 28 2014 00:37 stuchiu wrote:On September 28 2014 00:36 bo1b wrote:On September 28 2014 00:36 Lorning wrote:On September 28 2014 00:34 TheDwf wrote:On September 28 2014 00:32 cpower wrote:On September 28 2014 00:31 Ej_ wrote:
Jaedong and Flash have 1 thing in common in SC2 they are bad. Here we go again They haven't won 4 GSLs, an MLG, blizzcon, an IEM, a WCS EU and a WCG So they suck, yeah Comparing anyone to mvp is a little unfair lol Neither of them got to 4 consecutive GSL Finals. Do you think 2011 mvp had a more impressive run with 8 tournament wins including an almost flawless gsl or soo's 4 gsl finals in a row and a likely flawless dreamhack? If soO wins this gsl then soO 's run is more impressive. This is the year 2014 and the game has been figured out a lot more than the year 2011 I never understood that argument that it's more impressive because the game is more figured out, is figuring things out and innovating not impressive at all or something? Yeah, actually you could defend the opposite conclusion that dominating when the game is still mostly terra incognita is more impressive because it shows how ahead of your time you were.
On a serious note do you not think the game is still being figured out?
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What was that Drinking the pizza song called?
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The time for Weird Dreamhack Music Videos™ has begun.
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On September 28 2014 00:40 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 00:37 stuchiu wrote:On September 28 2014 00:36 bo1b wrote:On September 28 2014 00:36 Lorning wrote:On September 28 2014 00:34 TheDwf wrote:On September 28 2014 00:32 cpower wrote:On September 28 2014 00:31 Ej_ wrote:
Jaedong and Flash have 1 thing in common in SC2 they are bad. Here we go again They haven't won 4 GSLs, an MLG, blizzcon, an IEM, a WCS EU and a WCG So they suck, yeah Comparing anyone to mvp is a little unfair lol Neither of them got to 4 consecutive GSL Finals. Do you think 2011 mvp had a more impressive run with 8 tournament wins including an almost flawless gsl or soo's 4 gsl finals in a row and a likely flawless dreamhack?
Probably soO. I think 2012 Mvp's run was more impactful though, (not because of results) but because of what he was fighting.
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DH music still hilarious. hahahaha
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On September 28 2014 00:51 Koshi wrote:
DH music still hilarious. hahahaha
except the majority of it is actually just dubstep with a break screen lol
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On September 28 2014 00:48 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 00:45 TheDwf wrote:On September 28 2014 00:43 Die4Ever wrote:On September 28 2014 00:42 cpower wrote:On September 28 2014 00:40 bo1b wrote:On September 28 2014 00:37 stuchiu wrote:On September 28 2014 00:36 bo1b wrote:On September 28 2014 00:36 Lorning wrote:On September 28 2014 00:34 TheDwf wrote:On September 28 2014 00:32 cpower wrote:
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they are bad. Here we go again They haven't won 4 GSLs, an MLG, blizzcon, an IEM, a WCS EU and a WCG So they suck, yeah Comparing anyone to mvp is a little unfair lol Neither of them got to 4 consecutive GSL Finals. Do you think 2011 mvp had a more impressive run with 8 tournament wins including an almost flawless gsl or soo's 4 gsl finals in a row and a likely flawless dreamhack? If soO wins this gsl then soO 's run is more impressive. This is the year 2014 and the game has been figured out a lot more than the year 2011 I never understood that argument that it's more impressive because the game is more figured out, is figuring things out and innovating not impressive at all or something? Yeah, actually you could defend the opposite conclusion that dominating when the game is still mostly terra incognita is more impressive because it shows how ahead of your time you were. On a serious note do you not think the game is still being figured out?
This. There are still things being discovered every tournament, the game is still getting figured out. I'd say the general skill level is higher nowadays though, making soO's run definitely one of the most impressive feats ever (also, don't forget GSL happened more frequently when Mvp was at this peak. With up to 8 GSL titles a year, maybe soO would have already won 3).
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On September 28 2014 00:50 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 00:40 bo1b wrote:On September 28 2014 00:37 stuchiu wrote:On September 28 2014 00:36 bo1b wrote:On September 28 2014 00:36 Lorning wrote:On September 28 2014 00:34 TheDwf wrote:On September 28 2014 00:32 cpower wrote:On September 28 2014 00:31 Ej_ wrote:
Jaedong and Flash have 1 thing in common in SC2 they are bad. Here we go again They haven't won 4 GSLs, an MLG, blizzcon, an IEM, a WCS EU and a WCG So they suck, yeah Comparing anyone to mvp is a little unfair lol Neither of them got to 4 consecutive GSL Finals. Do you think 2011 mvp had a more impressive run with 8 tournament wins including an almost flawless gsl or soo's 4 gsl finals in a row and a likely flawless dreamhack? Probably soO. I think 2012 Mvp's run was more impactful though, (not because of results) but because of what he was fighting.
Personally I think mvp was a bit like batman, he fought against injustice and succeeded. Compared to soo who lost 3 times in a row to protoss.
Not the role model I will be showing to my kids for sure.
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