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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 26 2014 18:33 GMT
#401
Rofl... Apollo and Kaelaris dont' know a thing about Chess.
kiss kiss fall in love
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
August 26 2014 18:33 GMT
#402
....apparently apollo and kaelaris don't play much chess!
Knatterking
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany405 Posts
August 26 2014 18:33 GMT
#403
... are they serious?
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
August 26 2014 18:33 GMT
#404
On August 27 2014 03:30 Quateras wrote:
This is so weird, i feel like recently every single Zerg fails to defend 2 rax, even if they scout it. -
What changed compared to WoL?
I think i remember most zergs crushing 2 rax in the GGlord era and it only worked sometimes, why? o.o


I think it's the meta.
Zergs seem to absolutely refuse to scout proxy locations or go pool first in 2 player maps.
It's as if Zergs expect Terrans to just not be that aggressive early on and then ending up dying to it.

Similarly to Proxy Oracle in TvP, the mere fact it exists means it has to be respected and taken into account.
Otherwise Terran is just coinflipping whether or not Protoss is doing it.
As such, Terran builds have evolved to either have enough Marines in the mineral line, or get a Turret or Mine.

I think Zerg needs to make a similar adaption in their builds and start taking into account the threat of a 2rax is real.
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
August 26 2014 18:33 GMT
#405
omg....
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
August 26 2014 18:33 GMT
#406
Oh god this is painful to listen to...
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 26 2014 18:33 GMT
#407
White plays first, Apollo!

In case he's reading TL.
kiss kiss fall in love
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
August 26 2014 18:34 GMT
#408
The last Go player that played SC2 was Darkforce
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Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
August 26 2014 18:34 GMT
#409
It's just first move advantage right? I'm a chess noob.. but white goes first right?
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
August 26 2014 18:34 GMT
#410
I assume it was Graham bailing them out there.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
August 26 2014 18:34 GMT
#411
On August 27 2014 03:34 stuchiu wrote:
The last Go player that played SC2 was Darkforce

The Godfather of all creep spread.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
August 26 2014 18:34 GMT
#412
On August 27 2014 03:34 stuchiu wrote:
The last Go player that played SC2 was Darkforce


I miss Darkforce
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
August 26 2014 18:35 GMT
#413
On August 27 2014 03:34 Jono7272 wrote:
It's just first move advantage right? I'm a chess noob.. but white goes first right?

Correct. Because of the first-move advantage White scores 55%, Black 45%.
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
August 26 2014 18:35 GMT
#414
On August 27 2014 03:35 RHoudini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2014 03:34 Jono7272 wrote:
It's just first move advantage right? I'm a chess noob.. but white goes first right?

Correct. Because of the first-move advantage White scores 55%, Black 45%.

More imbalanced than SC2
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 26 2014 18:35 GMT
#415
On August 27 2014 03:34 Jono7272 wrote:
It's just first move advantage right? I'm a chess noob.. but white goes first right?

Yes. There's also some symmetry with respect to the openings that is often disputed as well.
kiss kiss fall in love
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
August 26 2014 18:36 GMT
#416
On August 27 2014 03:35 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2014 03:35 RHoudini wrote:
On August 27 2014 03:34 Jono7272 wrote:
It's just first move advantage right? I'm a chess noob.. but white goes first right?

Correct. Because of the first-move advantage White scores 55%, Black 45%.

More imbalanced than SC2

Also why in match settings each player plays each side the same amount of times.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
August 26 2014 18:36 GMT
#417
Creative opening indeed
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
August 26 2014 18:36 GMT
#418
the gas is so late that mining after speed means nothing, apollo
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RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
August 26 2014 18:37 GMT
#419
On August 27 2014 03:35 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2014 03:35 RHoudini wrote:
On August 27 2014 03:34 Jono7272 wrote:
It's just first move advantage right? I'm a chess noob.. but white goes first right?

Correct. Because of the first-move advantage White scores 55%, Black 45%.

More imbalanced than SC2

Yes, it's quite a big deal in chess. At the very top level Black wins are not very common.
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4135 Posts
August 26 2014 18:38 GMT
#420
On August 27 2014 03:34 Jono7272 wrote:
It's just first move advantage right? I'm a chess noob.. but white goes first right?

yes white first and ~54-46 winratio for white theoretically. But it is balanced because they play bo12 (both play 6x white and black).
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