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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-06 01:06:57
June 06 2014 01:06 GMT
#441
On June 06 2014 10:05 v_lm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 10:02 sAsImre wrote:
On June 06 2014 10:01 v_lm wrote:
I dont watch much proleague isn't the Flash build unique ? He basically double ebayed at 5 min lol. It went totally unoticed by the best analyst in the world but dayum that stimless medivacless marauder based army with +1 defense against blink was sexy


it's the normal 1 rax FE into ebay and adds an ebay block. he got +1 attack in time for the first blink


isnt that super weak against other builds though ? factory (for macro game) and stim (for earlier timings or immo sentry timings) are so late !He didnt even confirm blink with a scout.


imo the big weakness is fast 3rd. It's fine against everything else. +1 marines are awesome.
Zest fanboy.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 06 2014 01:07 GMT
#442
On June 06 2014 10:03 Circumstance wrote:
90% of what's holding back SC2 comes together in the form of Flash. That is why my favorite player will always be whoever is playing against him.

That's a weird assumption
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
June 06 2014 01:07 GMT
#443
On June 06 2014 10:05 v_lm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 10:02 sAsImre wrote:
On June 06 2014 10:01 v_lm wrote:
I dont watch much proleague isn't the Flash build unique ? He basically double ebayed at 5 min lol. It went totally unoticed by the best analyst in the world but dayum that stimless medivacless marauder based army with +1 defense against blink was sexy


it's the normal 1 rax FE into ebay and adds an ebay block. he got +1 attack in time for the first blink


isnt that super weak against other builds though ? factory (for macro game) and stim (for earlier timings or immo sentry timings) are so late !He didnt even confirm blink with a scout.

He probably scanned but the observer didn't show it. The build is fine against pretty much everything, except perhaps hardcore 2-bases Blink. Factory is at a normal timing (here it was probably delayed by the attack).
v_lm
Profile Joined September 2012
France202 Posts
June 06 2014 01:07 GMT
#444
On June 06 2014 10:02 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 10:01 v_lm wrote:
I dont watch much proleague isn't the Flash build unique ? He basically double ebayed at 5 min lol. It went totally unoticed by the best analyst in the world but dayum that stimless medivacless marauder based army with +1 defense against blink was sexy

One of the ebays was a block on herO's natural and was shortly cancelled. The other is part of a +1 attack build that Flash likes to use.

Yep I know but it jusr seems like he's the only one doing that build
A friend is someone you know well and still love.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 06 2014 01:08 GMT
#445
On June 06 2014 10:03 Roachu wrote:
My favorite OCremix track right here. Sixto Sounds is a beast.


I never really had a favorite one. Maybe Terra in black.
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
June 06 2014 01:08 GMT
#446
On June 06 2014 10:07 v_lm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 10:02 The_Templar wrote:
On June 06 2014 10:01 v_lm wrote:
I dont watch much proleague isn't the Flash build unique ? He basically double ebayed at 5 min lol. It went totally unoticed by the best analyst in the world but dayum that stimless medivacless marauder based army with +1 defense against blink was sexy

One of the ebays was a block on herO's natural and was shortly cancelled. The other is part of a +1 attack build that Flash likes to use.

Yep I know but it jusr seems like he's the only one doing that build


it's the go to build for Inno too.
Zest fanboy.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
June 06 2014 01:08 GMT
#447
On June 06 2014 10:07 v_lm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 10:02 The_Templar wrote:
On June 06 2014 10:01 v_lm wrote:
I dont watch much proleague isn't the Flash build unique ? He basically double ebayed at 5 min lol. It went totally unoticed by the best analyst in the world but dayum that stimless medivacless marauder based army with +1 defense against blink was sexy

One of the ebays was a block on herO's natural and was shortly cancelled. The other is part of a +1 attack build that Flash likes to use.

Yep I know but it jusr seems like he's the only one doing that build

That quick EB is becoming fairly standard at the moment in TvP.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32743 Posts
June 06 2014 01:08 GMT
#448
Gahh I almost forgot about this tournament.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
June 06 2014 01:09 GMT
#449
On June 06 2014 10:05 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 10:03 Circumstance wrote:
90% of what's holding back SC2 comes together in the form of Flash. That is why my favorite player will always be whoever is playing against him.


90% of your posts in this thread are bashing Flash. Someone's pretty mad that he won.


You're damn right I'm mad he won. That man combines the Terran circlejerk, the Brood War circlejerk the Kespa circlejerk, and a cult of personality on a level that not even sOs has earned, much less a man who has never even been in the same room as a Starcraft 2 trophy. And of course I say my opinion on the man in this thread, he was JUST playing. I'll say nothing about him during herO vs. Innovation.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
June 06 2014 01:10 GMT
#450
On June 06 2014 10:09 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 10:05 GolemMadness wrote:
On June 06 2014 10:03 Circumstance wrote:
90% of what's holding back SC2 comes together in the form of Flash. That is why my favorite player will always be whoever is playing against him.


90% of your posts in this thread are bashing Flash. Someone's pretty mad that he won.


You're damn right I'm mad he won. That man combines the Terran circlejerk, the Brood War circlejerk the Kespa circlejerk, and a cult of personality on a level that not even sOs has earned, much less a man who has never even been in the same room as a Starcraft 2 trophy. And of course I say my opinion on the man in this thread, he was JUST playing. I'll say nothing about him during herO vs. Innovation.


a shame he doesn't embodied the retard circlejerk as well as you do.

User was warned for this post
Zest fanboy.
Talionis
Profile Joined November 2010
Scotland4085 Posts
June 06 2014 01:10 GMT
#451
hope to see Life getting rekt by mech again
v_lm
Profile Joined September 2012
France202 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-06 01:11:45
June 06 2014 01:10 GMT
#452
On June 06 2014 10:07 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 10:05 v_lm wrote:
On June 06 2014 10:02 sAsImre wrote:
On June 06 2014 10:01 v_lm wrote:
I dont watch much proleague isn't the Flash build unique ? He basically double ebayed at 5 min lol. It went totally unoticed by the best analyst in the world but dayum that stimless medivacless marauder based army with +1 defense against blink was sexy


it's the normal 1 rax FE into ebay and adds an ebay block. he got +1 attack in time for the first blink


isnt that super weak against other builds though ? factory (for macro game) and stim (for earlier timings or immo sentry timings) are so late !He didnt even confirm blink with a scout.

He probably scanned but the observer didn't show it. The build is fine against pretty much everything, except perhaps hardcore 2-bases Blink. Factory is at a normal timing (here it was probably delayed by the attack).

It seems "fine" but not as good as other openings though so my question was more like is it a promising meta thing or is it just Flash being stylistic ?

EDIT : saw your reply =)
A friend is someone you know well and still love.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-06 01:11:27
June 06 2014 01:11 GMT
#453
Results for kr Life between 2014-01-01 and 2014-06-05.

Games: 44.83% (13-16)
Matches: 46.15% (6-7)

Current form:
      W L W L W W L W L L
Recent matches:
       kr Life 0 – 1 kr Flash
       kr Life 0 – 1 kr Bbyong
       kr Life 2 – 1 kr INnoVation
       kr Life 1 – 2 kr Ryung
       kr Life 1 – 0 kr aLive
       kr Life 1 – 0 kr FanTaSy
       kr Life 1 – 2 kr Hack
       kr Life 3 – 2 kr Maru
       kr Life 1 – 3 kr TaeJa
       kr Life 1 – 0 kr MarineKing


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Opponent Race:    Terran
Opponent Country: all
Match Format: all
On/offline: both
Game Version: all

Stats by Aligulac. Link.






Results for kr Flash between 2014-01-01 and 2014-06-05.

Games: 66.67% (20-10)
Matches: 65.00% (13-7)

Current form:
      W W W L L W W L W L
Recent matches:
       kr Flash 0 – 1 kr EffOrt
       kr Flash 1 – 0 kr Life
       kr Flash 0 – 1 kr Soulkey
       kr Flash 1 – 0 kr Hydra
       kr Flash 2 – 0 kr Action
       kr Flash 1 – 2 kr Shine
       kr Flash 0 – 2 kr Hydra
       kr Flash 2 – 0 kr Lucky
       kr Flash 2 – 0 kr Solar
       kr Flash 2 – 0 kr AkaRi


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Opponent Race:    Zerg
Opponent Country: all
Match Format: all
On/offline: both
Game Version: all

Stats by Aligulac. Link.
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Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
June 06 2014 01:11 GMT
#454
On June 06 2014 10:09 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 10:05 GolemMadness wrote:
On June 06 2014 10:03 Circumstance wrote:
90% of what's holding back SC2 comes together in the form of Flash. That is why my favorite player will always be whoever is playing against him.


90% of your posts in this thread are bashing Flash. Someone's pretty mad that he won.


You're damn right I'm mad he won. That man combines the Terran circlejerk, the Brood War circlejerk the Kespa circlejerk, and a cult of personality on a level that not even sOs has earned, much less a man who has never even been in the same room as a Starcraft 2 trophy. And of course I say my opinion on the man in this thread, he was JUST playing. I'll say nothing about him during herO vs. Innovation.


so you're saying that Terrans, Brood War fans, and Kespa fans... are the things that are holding Starcraft 2 back...?

...from what?
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 06 2014 01:11 GMT
#455
On June 06 2014 10:09 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 10:05 GolemMadness wrote:
On June 06 2014 10:03 Circumstance wrote:
90% of what's holding back SC2 comes together in the form of Flash. That is why my favorite player will always be whoever is playing against him.


90% of your posts in this thread are bashing Flash. Someone's pretty mad that he won.


You're damn right I'm mad he won. That man combines the Terran circlejerk, the Brood War circlejerk the Kespa circlejerk, and a cult of personality on a level that not even sOs has earned, much less a man who has never even been in the same room as a Starcraft 2 trophy. And of course I say my opinion on the man in this thread, he was JUST playing. I'll say nothing about him during herO vs. Innovation.


Oh, you're one of those people who hates someone because they're popular. Ok.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
June 06 2014 01:12 GMT
#456
On June 06 2014 10:10 v_lm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 10:07 TheDwf wrote:
On June 06 2014 10:05 v_lm wrote:
On June 06 2014 10:02 sAsImre wrote:
On June 06 2014 10:01 v_lm wrote:
I dont watch much proleague isn't the Flash build unique ? He basically double ebayed at 5 min lol. It went totally unoticed by the best analyst in the world but dayum that stimless medivacless marauder based army with +1 defense against blink was sexy


it's the normal 1 rax FE into ebay and adds an ebay block. he got +1 attack in time for the first blink


isnt that super weak against other builds though ? factory (for macro game) and stim (for earlier timings or immo sentry timings) are so late !He didnt even confirm blink with a scout.

He probably scanned but the observer didn't show it. The build is fine against pretty much everything, except perhaps hardcore 2-bases Blink. Factory is at a normal timing (here it was probably delayed by the attack).

It seems "fine" but not as good as other openings though so my question was more like is it a promising meta thing or is it just Flash being stylistic ?


the thing is that it's strenghten a lot your mid game. And since the only aim of early game tvp is not dieing it's a good trade off. + for ladder purposes it's awesome against proxy oracles (before 2nd nexus)
Zest fanboy.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
June 06 2014 01:13 GMT
#457
On June 06 2014 10:09 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 10:05 GolemMadness wrote:
On June 06 2014 10:03 Circumstance wrote:
90% of what's holding back SC2 comes together in the form of Flash. That is why my favorite player will always be whoever is playing against him.


90% of your posts in this thread are bashing Flash. Someone's pretty mad that he won.


You're damn right I'm mad he won. That man combines the Terran circlejerk, the Brood War circlejerk the Kespa circlejerk, and a cult of personality on a level that not even sOs has earned, much less a man who has never even been in the same room as a Starcraft 2 trophy. And of course I say my opinion on the man in this thread, he was JUST playing. I'll say nothing about him during herO vs. Innovation.

Now Flash HAS to beat Life, just so this guy can get even more annoyed. >.>

Seriously though, Terran is cool, Brood War is cool, Kespa is pretty cool, and having lots of fans is not usually a bad thing. So cool down.
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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
June 06 2014 01:13 GMT
#458
On June 06 2014 10:11 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 10:09 Circumstance wrote:
On June 06 2014 10:05 GolemMadness wrote:
On June 06 2014 10:03 Circumstance wrote:
90% of what's holding back SC2 comes together in the form of Flash. That is why my favorite player will always be whoever is playing against him.


90% of your posts in this thread are bashing Flash. Someone's pretty mad that he won.


You're damn right I'm mad he won. That man combines the Terran circlejerk, the Brood War circlejerk the Kespa circlejerk, and a cult of personality on a level that not even sOs has earned, much less a man who has never even been in the same room as a Starcraft 2 trophy. And of course I say my opinion on the man in this thread, he was JUST playing. I'll say nothing about him during herO vs. Innovation.


Oh, you're one of those people who hates someone because they're popular for no reason. Ok.


FTFY

Let's try and talk about the games. I started this derail, I'll end it right here.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-06 01:14:25
June 06 2014 01:14 GMT
#459
Flash is godly and sees everything coming so I predict he will crush life by shutting down all of his zergling shenanigans.
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
June 06 2014 01:14 GMT
#460
On June 06 2014 10:13 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 10:11 GolemMadness wrote:
On June 06 2014 10:09 Circumstance wrote:
On June 06 2014 10:05 GolemMadness wrote:
On June 06 2014 10:03 Circumstance wrote:
90% of what's holding back SC2 comes together in the form of Flash. That is why my favorite player will always be whoever is playing against him.


90% of your posts in this thread are bashing Flash. Someone's pretty mad that he won.


You're damn right I'm mad he won. That man combines the Terran circlejerk, the Brood War circlejerk the Kespa circlejerk, and a cult of personality on a level that not even sOs has earned, much less a man who has never even been in the same room as a Starcraft 2 trophy. And of course I say my opinion on the man in this thread, he was JUST playing. I'll say nothing about him during herO vs. Innovation.


Oh, you're one of those people who hates someone because they're popular for no reason. Ok.


FTFY

Let's try and talk about the games. I started this derail, I'll end it right here.

Flash is popular for no reason?
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